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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gruzinit on January 31, 2009, 06:36:09 PM
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Since this story of a women delievering eight babies hit the presses, it has veered from touching to downright disturbing.
Nadya Suleman, only thirty-three, already has six children, all previously concieved through IVF. What I assumed to be a case a childless couple using fertilty drugs to concieve can also be dismissed, as no father or boyfriend has been named or chosen to come forth.
This women had her frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies implanted all at once so they wouldn't "go to waste." I think the "genius" in-vitro specialist who would willing have implanted eight embryos into this women, despite knowing the potenital risks associated should have his license revoked.
This is not over abortion, but that this women intentionally chose to do this gives me great concern over her mental state. While not a physician myself, it is basic knowledge that the female uterus can carry only one or two fetuses at a time. With multiple pregnancies, there are severe risks (http://www.startribune.com/local/11591371.html) as each baby must struggle for nourishment and oxygen and is almost certain to be born prematurely, which can pose numerous health risks. This women is very lucky she had top of the line medical care probably monitoring her and her babies 24/7, which allowed her to carry all babies to term and born under such healthy circumstances.
What makes me even more concerned is that this women is seeking $2 million dollars for t.v. interviews, endorsement deals and magazine covers! It she did this to gain publicity or money, it is a horrid display of narcissistic irresponsiblty.
What do you guys think?
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,841716.story?track=rss
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets_10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece
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It's absolutely hideous. But that's what happens when you have a society that worships procreation, particularly for third-worlders.
Israelis don't have the right to live, but third-world wonders have the right not just to spawn as much as they want, but demand taxpayer subsidies for as many kids as they want.
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The women is a Palestinian with 6 little pigs already where did she get the money for this procedure.I understand the procedure is very expensive plus she's not married now 8 more she'll probably be on public welfare >:(
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I hope the babies will grow up to be good and decent people. I also wish this for her six other children.
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It's absolutely hideous. But that's what happens when you have a society that worships procreation, particularly for third-worlders.
Israelis don't have the right to live, but third-world wonders have the right not just to spawn as much as they want, but demand taxpayer subsidies for as many kids as they want.
Ditto
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I hope the babies will grow up to be good and decent people. I also wish this for her six other children.
Not likely. They will probably grow up to be nice little Muzzies.
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
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I hope the babies will grow up to be good and decent people. I also wish this for her six other children.
Not likely. They will probably grow up to be nice little Muzzies.
I didn't say it was likely, but I believe that God can reach anyone and change their views.
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Notice the hospital photograph in LA Times. All 3 people featured are non-white. The US is turning into a non-white country. I wonder who the affirmative action genuis was who allowed the implantation of 8 embrios? Was it Dr Gupta? save us G-d from Dr's Guptas, Barakas, Kwons, etc...
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I'm surprised if Gupta wouldn't recommend aborting or killing girls. That's what they do in his ancestral homeland.
One of the most horrific methods is "dry drowning", where the open mouth of a female infant, searching for her mother's nipple, receives instead a handful of grain or rice which chokes the child to death.
"It's all up to the husband and it is usually the husband's side of the family who - you know - are putting the pressure on.
"As soon as you are pregnant, everyone sits there and looks at you and says: 'It's going to be a boy.'
"It's not a nice feeling when you've had your baby and you are really proud of her, and they turn round and dismiss her as just another mistake.
In India, of course, such rules are not strictly enforced. Some clinics in poorer districts have posters on the walls saying: "600 rupees now and save 50,000 rupees later."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499284/Britains-missing-babies-A-chilling-new-investigation-reveals-disturbing-trend.html
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I'm surprised if Gupta wouldn't recommend aborting or killing girls. That's what they do in his ancestral homeland.
One of the most horrific methods is "dry drowning", where the open mouth of a female infant, searching for her mother's nipple, receives instead a handful of grain or rice which chokes the child to death.
"It's all up to the husband and it is usually the husband's side of the family who - you know - are putting the pressure on.
"As soon as you are pregnant, everyone sits there and looks at you and says: 'It's going to be a boy.'
"It's not a nice feeling when you've had your baby and you are really proud of her, and they turn round and dismiss her as just another mistake.
In India, of course, such rules are not strictly enforced. Some clinics in poorer districts have posters on the walls saying: "600 rupees now and save 50,000 rupees later."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499284/Britains-missing-babies-A-chilling-new-investigation-reveals-disturbing-trend.html
the topic is about octuplets, what has that got to do with this? is it because you are always conscious of Indian bashing?
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Daughters are considered an economic burden with the dowry system, in particular, resulting in financial ruin or extreme hardship for many families when the women marry.
That's all very well, but what does it have to do with Britain? The article speaks of the shortage of British Indian girls. So you can't blame it on dowry.
Incidentally, it's a bit underhanded to single out Indians. As if Pakis and other muzzies don't do the same thing...
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I'm surprised if Gupta wouldn't recommend aborting or killing girls. That's what they do in his ancestral homeland.
One of the most horrific methods is "dry drowning", where the open mouth of a female infant, searching for her mother's nipple, receives instead a handful of grain or rice which chokes the child to death.
"It's all up to the husband and it is usually the husband's side of the family who - you know - are putting the pressure on.
"As soon as you are pregnant, everyone sits there and looks at you and says: 'It's going to be a boy.'
"It's not a nice feeling when you've had your baby and you are really proud of her, and they turn round and dismiss her as just another mistake.
In India, of course, such rules are not strictly enforced. Some clinics in poorer districts have posters on the walls saying: "600 rupees now and save 50,000 rupees later."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499284/Britains-missing-babies-A-chilling-new-investigation-reveals-disturbing-trend.html
the topic is about octuplets, what has that got to do with this? is it because you are always conscious of Indian bashing?
It's the editors who bash Indians by singling out Indians as the only culprits. They are a safe target.
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I'm surprised if Gupta wouldn't recommend aborting or killing girls. That's what they do in his ancestral homeland.
One of the most horrific methods is "dry drowning", where the open mouth of a female infant, searching for her mother's nipple, receives instead a handful of grain or rice which chokes the child to death.
"It's all up to the husband and it is usually the husband's side of the family who - you know - are putting the pressure on.
"As soon as you are pregnant, everyone sits there and looks at you and says: 'It's going to be a boy.'
"It's not a nice feeling when you've had your baby and you are really proud of her, and they turn round and dismiss her as just another mistake.
In India, of course, such rules are not strictly enforced. Some clinics in poorer districts have posters on the walls saying: "600 rupees now and save 50,000 rupees later."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499284/Britains-missing-babies-A-chilling-new-investigation-reveals-disturbing-trend.html
the topic is about octuplets, what has that got to do with this? is it because you are always conscious of Indian bashing?
It's the editors who bash Indians by singling out Indians as the only culprits. They are a safe target.
Thanks for understanding :)
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They "single them out" because these practices are rampant in India and China. Both countries devalue and murder girls both in the womb and out of the womb. Muslims also do this but the mass media doesn't want to offend the filthy Quranimals.
Telling the truth is not "bashing".
Also someone else brought up Gupta.
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They "single them out" because these practices are rampant in India and China. Both countries devalue and murder girls both in the womb and out of the womb. Muslims also do this but the mass media doesn't want to offend the filthy Quranimals.
Telling the truth is not "bashing".
Also someone else brought up Gupta.
the rate of teenage pregnancy is very high in european and American countires,does that mean the culture of these countires promote bad moral values? certainly not. If you want to base your views on the generalization of biased media,i cannot help you.
India's current president is female, India's Chief Minister of the Capital - New Delhi is also female. Highly acclaimed Hindu Saint Sadhvi Ritambara who pulls lakhs of crowd at the rallies is also female. The head of ruling indian government is also a woman.Present Mayor or Mumbai is also a female. The leader/founder of a extreme right wing radical Hindu group is also a woman - Himani Savarkar(daughter in law of VD Savarkar)
And if thats not enough.. Indian women most of the times win Miss Word/Universe/Sexiest tag ;D
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Also someone else brought up Gupta.
Yes, I brought up Gupta - let me clarify. I have nothing against the Indian and Chinese. The place I'm coming from is white nationalism. I thing the world would be a much better place if it remained somewhat homogenuous. I am not talking about 100% pure, because people will always marry foreigners and move to other countries for other legitimate reasons. But when you get to a figure of 1/3 population being people of anotehr race, it becomes very disconcerting. I think that neither Chinese, nor Indians would like it very much if there were an immigration flood into their countries, and 1/3 of their population became European, even if they originally didn't have any ill feelings against the European. I recently visited California after a prolonged absence and was chocked :o :o :o at how absolutely non-white it has become. It absolutely exceeded my expectations. When so many people come from cultures that are not compatible with the West, this makes it very bad for everyone. Nobody is happy. Just as Indians are entitled to live in their country and practice their culture and not forced into multiculturalism, so should Westerners. I whole-heartedly welcome Indian nationalists on this forum. I am sure that, being nationalists, they should understand where Euro nationalists are coming from.
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I'm jealous that Jews don't have that many children yet evil people do and get away with it.
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Also someone else brought up Gupta.
Yes, I brought up Gupta - let me clarify. I have nothing against the Indian and Chinese. The place I'm coming from is white nationalism. I thing the world would be a much better place if it remained somewhat homogenuous. I am not talking about 100% pure, because people will always marry foreigners and move to other countries for other legitimate reasons. But when you get to a figure of 1/3 population being people of anotehr race, it becomes very disconcerting. I think that neither Chinese, nor Indians would like it very much if there were an immigration flood into their countries, and 1/3 of their population became European, even if they originally didn't have any ill feelings against the European. I recently visited California after a prolonged absence and was chocked :o :o :o at how absolutely non-white it has become. It absolutely exceeded my expectations. When so many people come from cultures that are not compatible with the West, this makes it very bad for everyone. Nobody is happy. Just as Indians are entitled to live in their country and practice their culture and not forced into multiculturalism, so should Westerners. I whole-heartedly welcome Indian nationalists on this forum. I am sure that, being nationalists, they should understand where Euro nationalists are coming from.
i agree on every point you mentioned..World will be a better place when nationalists like us understand each other better and confront the real enemies of ours.. i.e Jehadi Islamists
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
Good G-d is that really a true statistic? Do you have sources for that?
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At least Israel's future could be brighter if the religious Jews there keep having a lot of children.
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the rate of teenage pregnancy is very high in european and American countires,does that mean the culture of these countires promote bad moral values?
Teenage pregnancy in Europe is very high because of the Koranimals, teenage pregnancy is high in America because of the belly rubbers (Central Americans).
This isn't the 1800's when it was normal for American (white) teenagers to start having children. We're living in totally different times.
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Rubystars, not all Indians approve of this practice by any stretch. We both know that. In fact, many Hindu Nationalists (i.e. hinduunity.org) specifically state that they want to end female infanticide.
Please don't go here right now.
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Rubystars, not all Indians approve of this practice by any stretch. We both know that. In fact, many Hindu Nationalists (i.e. hinduunity.org) specifically state that they want to end female infanticide.
Please don't go here right now.
Not all of any huge group agree on anything.
Muslims are the exception of course, because every single Muslim serious about their religion is bent on destruction of everything good and decent.
I do think the Muslims are the primary enemy of us all, which is one thing that me and HZ agree on.
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I do think the Muslims are the primary enemy of us all, which is one thing that me and HZ agree on.
Yes, this is what we need to focus on.
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The women is a Palestinian with 6 little pigs already where did she get the money for this procedure.I understand the procedure is very expensive plus she's not married now 8 more she'll probably be on public welfare >:(
One of my mother's relatives had the procedure,which can cost up to 10,000 dollars. If her parents were truly concerned about her welfare they shouldn't have been bankrolling her quest to become a human guinea pig!
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One of my mother's relatives had the procedure,which can cost up to 10,000 dollars. If her parents were truly concerned about her welfare they shouldn't have been bankrolling her quest to become a human guinea pig!
If indeed she is an Arab Muslim, then it is natural and expected. Remember that these creatures put a premium on outbreeding the infidel.
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I'm jealous that Jews don't have that many children yet evil people do and get away with it.
Dr. Dan, I attended a Hineni lecture about a few weeks ago given by Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis. She discussed infertility in the Bible. Remember that Sarah was unable to conceive for a long time. Also Isaac and Rebecca were unable to conceive, and they prayed for 20 years for G-d to give them a child.
She said that G-d did that for a reason. Back in those days, the people then regularly had lots of children, which they would sacrifice in the fire to their deities. She said that G-d wanted the Biblical Patriarchs and Matriarchs to appreciate the children they did have.
Rubystars brought up the example of what *some* Chinese and Indian people do with their girl babies. That is indeed a form of child sacrifice.
However, we see some forms of it in America, where women will get abortions because of the mere "inconvenience" of having a child, and how it will affect their careers.
A few months ago, there was a video of a woman working at Walmart with a young daughter. She said flat out to the news reporters that she needed her job more than she needed her child. Luckily, a relative agreed to care for the young girl. But what a sick thing for a mother to say about her own child!
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Rubystars brought up the example of what *some* Chinese and Indian people do with their girl babies. That is indeed a form of child sacrifice.
However, we see some forms of it in America, where women will get abortions because of the mere "inconvenience" of having a child, and how it will affect their careers.
That's a very good way of looking at it, and you have made a real and very tragic point. According to every opinion poll, and the nationwide results of our last election, support for legalized baby-murder has never been higher. It's not just the donks--around half of today's Republicans are "pro-choice". Look at the election of that pig Michael Steele (yimach schmo vezichro) as GOP National Chairman. It's disgusting and hideous and G-d will judge this celebration of murder.
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Vito, what's a belly rubber?
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It's his term for Hispanic cucarachas because they rub their bellies a lot.
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Why do they rub their bellies so much?
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I honestly haven't ever thought about it.
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Who has a rubber belly?
;D
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I'm jealous that Jews don't have that many children yet evil people do and get away with it.
Dr. Dan, I attended a Hineni lecture about a few weeks ago given by Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis. She discussed infertility in the Bible. Remember that Sarah was unable to conceive for a long time. Also Isaac and Rebecca were unable to conceive, and they prayed for 20 years for G-d to give them a child.
She said that G-d did that for a reason. Back in those days, the people then regularly had lots of children, which they would sacrifice in the fire to their deities. She said that G-d wanted the Biblical Patriarchs and Matriarchs to appreciate the children they did have.
Rubystars brought up the example of what *some* Chinese and Indian people do with their girl babies. That is indeed a form of child sacrifice.
However, we see some forms of it in America, where women will get abortions because of the mere "inconvenience" of having a child, and how it will affect their careers.
A few months ago, there was a video of a woman working at Walmart with a young daughter. She said flat out to the news reporters that she needed her job more than she needed her child. Luckily, a relative agreed to care for the young girl. But what a sick thing for a mother to say about her own child!
you bring an excellent point, Lisa. However, I was thinking of how it is written in the Torah how in Egypt, the ISraelites multiplied six-fold or something and became a nation.
I'm jealous that American Jews and western Jews, including myself don't have lots of children, while our enemies get away with it.
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Why do they rub their bellies so much?
I haven't got the slightest clue.. but whenever you're around them you'll notice they lift up their shirts and rub their bellies, usually in the warmer months.. that's belly rubbing season.
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
Good G-d is that really a true statistic? Do you have sources for that?
This all may be a data to show that a single muzzie birth event can destroy the whole world within a small time. Imagine that all the muzzies of the world are growing at relatively a much faster rate than all others combine together. Writing is on the wall.
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What should be done about this? Containment doesn't seem to be working as their massive overpopulation is spreading into Europe and America and other places Muslims have no right to be.
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What should be done about this? Containment doesn't seem to be working as their massive overpopulation is spreading into Europe and America and other places Muslims have no right to be.
I'll fight back with my 10-12 kids..
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Well Dr. Dan, you'll be getting married soon. So you can have as many children as you like.
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I believe that this woman has a couple of screws loose and I think that someone should take some (or all) of her 14 children away from her, as she clearly is not fit to raise them!
I'm beginning to believe that the only reason that she had those octuplets is so she can negotiate for a television reality show!
Read this story:
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=08254c46-5f30-4ba9-abce-777d987ea559 (http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=08254c46-5f30-4ba9-abce-777d987ea559)
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I just found out that the mother of the octuplets is named Nadya Suleman...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman
Is she an Arab?
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I just found out that the mother of the octuplets is named Nadya Suleman...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman
Is she an Arab?
bababooey, fafaflunky, mamamonkey, fafafoowee :laugh:
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Well Dr. Dan, you'll be getting married soon. So you can have as many children as you like.
actually, as many as Hshem wants to give us.
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The women is a Palestinian with 6 little pigs already where did she get the money for this procedure.I understand the procedure is very expensive plus she's not married now 8 more she'll probably be on public welfare >:(
Hi Mord, Palestinians breed like the rats they are. This women who intentionally had 8 more babies and 6 at home should not recieve one penny from the State or Insurance company. Let this woman pay for her numerous babies. Why should we! No one ever paid my way!
I wonder if she told her social worker she was planning to produce 8 babies without a daddy or money in her bank account. >:( >:( >:(
Shalom - Dox
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
Good G-d is that really a true statistic? Do you have sources for that?
Sorry, I just saw this. I'll have to go find it...I heard that statistic about 5-6 years ago.
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What should be done about this? Containment doesn't seem to be working as their massive overpopulation is spreading into Europe and America and other places Muslims have no right to be.
there are no good answers here. I've thought about the same thing and I can't see people taking smart actions until we're all done for or hiding in the mountains.
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14*14*14*14*14*14*14*14 = 1475789056
It is an End Game of only eight moves or generations.
Yup. It doesn't take long. 51% of France's population under five is Muslim.
Good G-d is that really a true statistic? Do you have sources for that?
Sorry, I just saw this. I'll have to go find it...I heard that statistic about 5-6 years ago.
That explains the "youths" aka MUSLIMS torching cars left and right in France.
Mark Steyn (steynonline.com, "America Alone" etc) has written extensively on the topic of demographics and muslims.
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That explains the "youths" aka MUSLIMS torching cars left and right in France.
True, but in Greece, many of the rioting youths are in fact ethnically Greek, nominally Orthodox communist pigs (which isn't that much different from a Muzzie in truth).
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CF:
(which isn't that much different from a Muzzie in truth).
Hell-bent on destruction. They should join forces. (The muzzlims and the communists).
Wait a minute.
They already have.
barack hussein obama.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/Callyn53/Political/ObamaSocialist.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IQJNLgHT0GM/R7zfjOy7iQI/AAAAAAAAB2o/WJ-83XFuOrk/s320/site1119.jpg)
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I have read everyone's posts on this woman and I would like to address the primary subject of the topic. For me, this has nothing to do with her nationality, religion, and race; it has to do with mental illness. This woman is very sick and twisted. She is irresponsible and she is putting all of her children (all 14 of them) at risk. And that makes is just wrong, very wrong. These children deserve a fighting chance and she can not give that to them due to her selfish nature. This is all about her, her, and her. No sane woman would put their children at risk at the expense of her own ego and crazy delusions.
It has been reported this morning that she has gone into hiding due to receiving death threats. What did she expect? A welcome home red carpet event as if she were Angelina Jolie or Madonna. If she wanted to feel love or sympathy from the public she should have adopted, less fortunate children and made sure she could provide for them.
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I heard she is on disability and welfare and married her ex husband to get money from him. We wonder why California has such money troubles.
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Since this story of a women delievering eight babies hit the presses, it has veered from touching to downright disturbing.
Nadya Suleman, only thirty-three, already has six children, all previously concieved through IVF. What I assumed to be a case a childless couple using fertilty drugs to concieve can also be dismissed, as no father or boyfriend has been named or chosen to come forth.
This women had her frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies implanted all at once so they wouldn't "go to waste." I think the "genius" in-vitro specialist who would willing have implanted eight embryos into this women, despite knowing the potenital risks associated should have his license revoked.
This is not over abortion, but that this women intentionally chose to do this gives me great concern over her mental state. While not a physician myself, it is basic knowledge that the female uterus can carry only one or two fetuses at a time. With multiple pregnancies, there are severe risks (http://www.startribune.com/local/11591371.html) as each baby must struggle for nourishment and oxygen and is almost certain to be born prematurely, which can pose numerous health risks. This women is very lucky she had top of the line medical care probably monitoring her and her babies 24/7, which allowed her to carry all babies to term and born under such healthy circumstances.
What makes me even more concerned is that this women is seeking $2 million dollars for t.v. interviews, endorsement deals and magazine covers! It she did this to gain publicity or money, it is a horrid display of narcissistic irresponsiblty.
What do you guys think?
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,841716.story?track=rss
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets_10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece
Hi Gruz, the State of California has no right to take our tax dollars for this outrageous scheme planned by this disturbed woman.
I hope they either take her children away because she is obviously mentally unstable, or she is a con artist out for the bucks.
In any case the welfare of those eight babies is her responsibility and her's alone!
If she is made to be fully responsible, this will send a message across loud and clear to other women..if you want babies
get married or make enough money to support your own kids.
Shalom - Dox