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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: White Israelite on February 05, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
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They sure look alike!
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They sure look alike!
no,they are tribe who came in europe with turks,old serbs called them horse stealers!
and nowadays they live in tribes like animals,u can't imagine how they are horrible,dirty people without culture!
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I think the Roma had originate from India and reached Europe in the middle ages. The name gypsee comes from Egypt because European wrongly assumed they came from Egypt. The Roma themselves did not try to correct this assumption.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
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I think the Roma had originate from India and reached Europe in the middle ages. The name gypsee comes from Egypt because European wrongly assumed they came from Egypt. The Roma themselves did not try to correct this assumption.
Yes, romas are from india and shiptars are from the caucasus, and they dont look alike.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
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Romas are not criminals, but because of their culture, ppl classify them very very bad!
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There are a lot of different people in this bag "gypsies".
Some are settled and didn't differ that much from other Europeans, some are moving and are carnies, some families work since hundreds of years in special professions, like scissors grinder and tinkerer as well as I have heard from a family in Hamburg that is active since decades in metall trade.
So I highly doubt that the "gipsy" exists. I.e. as I went to "confirmation education" there were some gypsies with me. I really didn't realize that they were Gypsies until they told. Nice people. Later in Hamburg I met some. They were really open and friendly people. There were no prejudices or evil behaviour towards anybody.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I am a white republican Jewish woman and I hate moslems, and I hate those who support the murderous moslems!
My dearest wish is to wake up and find all the Moslems off the face of this earth.
If you want an accurate description of radical racism, take a look at Islam.
Welcome to the forum. Shalom - Dox
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I am a white republican Jewish woman and I hate moslems, and I hate those who support the murderous moslems!
My dearest wish is to wake up and find all the Moslems off the face of this earth.
If you want an accurate description of radical racism, take a look at Islam.
Welcome to the forum. Shalom - Dox
Thanks for the welcome, i dont like moselms too
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I'm sorry that you and WI have started interacting so badly, but calling a good jew a NAZI wannabee means you lose the argument.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I'm sorry that you and WI have started interacting so badly, but calling a good jew a NAZI wannabee means you lose the argument.
I didnt loose the argument, his nazi affinities are obvious, he calls himself white and he disrespects mexicans and calls romas criminals. Im suspect of the people who have white or aryan in their username they are usually nazis
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I'm sorry that you and WI have started interacting so badly, but calling a good jew a NAZI wannabee means you lose the argument.
I didnt loose the argument, his nazi affinities are obvious, he calls himself white and he disrespects mexicans and calls romas criminals. Im suspect of the people who have white or aryan in their username they are usually nazis
There is nothing wrong with the word White. If you don't like the word White then one may assume you might be a racist. White Israelite is respected and very much liked by all here on the forum myself included. You started this first, I saw the post where you infered he is a racist because he used White in his name. I think it would be nice if you started over and perhaps you could apologise to White. That would be the proper thing to do, and you did start this after all.
Shalom - Dox
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There is nothing wrong with having a 'white' identity. I can understand that you, Inquiring Mind, are circumspect about white identity, because you may not feel that you are included in that, or you may feel that white identity stands in opposition to yourself, but I think that you need to think again on it.
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A few years ago, I became interested in learning more about the Roma people, erroneously called "gypsies" (because people originally thought they came from Egypt.)
I read a few books about them ("The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies", "We Are the Romani People", and so on.) I also became online friends with a university professor in TX who is of Roma ancestry. But I still did not personally know any other than the one online friendship.
And then I happened to join a UK-based forum, where I met MANY Englishmen who hate Roma, and they kept saying they are all thieves in the UK. I had no firsthand experience like that, so I couldn't understand.
Finally, one of the guys said to me, "Look...you know how blacks are in your country? THAT is how gypsies are HERE!"
I think I started to "get it" after he said that. ;D
But I still don't personally have any issues with Roma, because truthfully, they have never done anything to me.
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There is nothing wrong with having a 'white' identity. I can understand that you, Inquiring Mind, are circumspect about white identity, because you may not feel that you are included in that, or you may feel that white identity stands in opposition to yourself, but I think that you need to think again on it.
I, too, identfy as White, and proudly so! I don't care if neoNazis would not regard me as white. What they think does not matter!
If I were walking down the street and a group of shvartsas saw me, THEY would consider me as White, and would most likely mug me!
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I, too, identfy as White, and proudly so! I don't care if neoNazis would not regard me as white. What they think does not matter!
If I were walking down the street and a group of shvartsas saw me, THEY would consider me as White, and would most likely mug me!
Right.
Roma are a different people, but in the UK, they/we are white, phenotypically.
You would identify some of them as different from the other Brits, if you saw twenty of them in a room together, otherwise the blend in, in a way that the Roma in Eastern Europe do not. They often have a certain strength around the bridge of the nose, but often not. I do not have have this look myself, but I think that it is very handsome.
The actor Michael Caine, for example, is a Romnichal:
(http://www.nndb.com/people/754/000022688/michael-caine03-sm.jpg)
My best friends are all part-Roma like me. Every single one of them.
One of my friends had eight children; this is stereotypical. They are all good-looking.
It is true that some sections of the community are involved in criminal activities.
This is just the way that the cookie crumbles.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I'm sorry that you and WI have started interacting so badly, but calling a good jew a NAZI wannabee means you lose the argument.
I didnt loose the argument, his nazi affinities are obvious, he calls himself white and he disrespects mexicans and calls romas criminals. Im suspect of the people who have white or aryan in their username they are usually nazis
Since when do the Nazis decide who is white and who isn't? Heck, look at Tom Metzger and other Neo Nazis with mixed native American blood, the Nazis are a "political" group and make their own decisions who is white and who isn't. StørmFrønt was worshipping Scarlett Johansson in the "white models/actresses" thread until someone came out after about 50 pages and told them she was Jewish.
Neo Nazis consider him white
(http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/I/klanwatch1_4914899.jpg)
Neo Nazis do not consider her white
(http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00096/Scarlett_Johansson_i_96647o.jpg)
You may not realize it, but you are infact racist for assuming anyone with white in their name is a Nazi or a racist. I'm sure you wouldn't object if someone came here with the name "Black African" or otherwise.
I am certainly no Nazi, I wouldn't support a socialist organization.
Jews are not specifically a race, they are made up of all different people from around the world. It is a religion. Many Jews however are genetically tied to the Israelites via DNA. You can research the J1-CMH haplotype.
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Jews are not specifically a race, they are made up of all different people from around the world. It is a religion. Many Jews however are genetically tied to the Israelites via DNA. You can research the J1-CMH haplotype.
That haplotype thingy is very 'cool'.
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Doesn't Tom Metzger look like Dr. Evil in that pic? :laugh:
I think the neonazis shoot themselves in the feet when they reject someone for having 1/32nd Native American blood, or 1/8th Jewish blood, or whatever.
There are a LOT of people who share many of their views. This is one reason why they will never get anywhere! :::D
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I, too, identfy as White, and proudly so! I don't care if neoNazis would not regard me as white. What they think does not matter!
If I were walking down the street and a group of shvartsas saw me, THEY would consider me as White, and would most likely mug me!
Right.
Roma are a different people, but in the UK, they/we are white, phenotypically.
You would identify some of them as different from the other Brits, if you saw twenty of them in a room together, otherwise the blend in, in a way that the Roma in Eastern Europe do not. They often have a certain strength around the bridge of the nose, but often not. I do not have have this look myself, but I think that it is very handsome.
The actor Michael Caine, for example, is a Romnichal:
(http://www.nndb.com/people/754/000022688/michael-caine03-sm.jpg)
My best friends are all part-Roma like me. Every single one of them.
One of my friends had eight children; this is stereotypical. They are all good-looking.
It is true that some sections of the community are involved in criminal activities.
This is just the way that the cookie crumbles.
One of my all-time favorite actors was also Roma: Yul Brynner! In fact he was a representative of the Romani National Congress while he was alive (I think that was the name of the group.)
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Doesn't Tom Metzger look like Dr. Evil in that pic? :laugh:
I think the neonazis shoot themselves in the feet when they reject someone for having 1/32nd Native American blood, or 1/8th Jewish blood, or whatever.
There are a LOT of people who share many of their views. This is one reason why they will never get anywhere! :::D
Actually, that's what's contradicting about it is that they will accept those with "native American" blood but yet they are so called "white nationalists".
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I really can't understand the importance of someone's skin color.
G-d won't judge you by your color...
Make your character white and skin is not relevant.
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I really can't understand the importance of someone's skin color.
G-d won't judge you by your color...
Make your character white and skin is not relevant.
You are right!
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Considering "Al-bananians"...
Albanians came from Caucasus 1200 years ago.
In 8th century there was a group of people on eastern Caucasus (in area of today's Azerbaijan and Dagestan).They were doing hunting and cattle breeding and they called them selves "Scipetari"(alb."Shquiptari") which means "highlander(s)".That area was known in Middle Ages as "Albania".They were pagans and they worshiped a "goddess of Moon",spoken 26 different dialects.
Then they found them selves in a very bad position.From the north Hazars(of Moses' faith) pressed them with huge taxation and on south they found Arabs(of Muhammadan faith) who offered them benefits if they convert to Islam.And Scipetari("Albanians") just did that and became Arabs' allies(or servants).
In a mean while,Arabs conquered Sicily and part of south Italy,then they moved parts of Albanians from Caucasus to newly conquered areas(Sicily and south Italy) in order to establish its faith and ethnicity.Albanians were useful for that goals to Arabs since they've accepted Islam.But,it wasn't good for Albos...they found them selves,again,between 2 fires-Islam and Christianity.Those areas were conquered all the time from different parties-Christians or Muslims,so they had to change their faith very often in order to survive.
In 11th century those areas(south Italy and Sicily) were parts of Byzantium Empire.The Empire was attacking Serbian Czarhood ruled by young Czar Voyislav(1024-1065).Young Czar,while defending Serbia from Byzantium Empire,brutally and literally crushed Byzantium armies in two major battles.For that reason rebellion started in all over the Empire,because people were afraid and unease.Parts where Scipetaris lived(Sicily and south Italy) were under Byzantium ruler/regent called George(or Georgius) Maniac.He also rebelled against the Empire,prepared a rebellion army and took it on board on the ships toward Byzantium city of Drac(today Albania).
BUT,there wasn't only the rebelled army on the ships,there were also Scipetaris(Albos).Scipetaris moved with them with its complete families and some property.And in March 1043 they came to Adriatic coast and led by George Maniac fought against regular Byzantium army.The rebels have lost!George Maniac was killed in the battle and remaining parts of the rebels have surrendered.Byzantium took all the rebelled soldiers under its full control while they REJECTED Scipetaris.So,Scipetaris found them selves once again in the middle of two clashed civilizations-Serbian and Byzantium!
Young Serbian Czar Voyislav(srb."Voijslav") let them(Scipetaris) to live in Serbia in surroundings of Rabantown.They were breeding cattle and paying taxes to Serbian Czar.So,you can see they were vassals of Serbian Czar.And in the beginning they didn't have the right to posses any lands nor to mix with domestic Serbian population,just to breed cattle,pay taxes-to serve.
All the Albanian tribes that came to Serbia(Gegs,Tosks,Japs and Samids) called them selves as "Scipetari".Serbs called them "ARBANASES" or "RABANASES" by the place of RABAN where they were allowed to live!Some called them "Albanians" by the name of region where they came from in Caucasus,and Arabs called them "ARNAUTS" meaning "those who have not returned"!
Now,in southern from Raban where Scipetaris settled,there was a major Serbian city called BELIGRAD("beli"=white and "grad"=city).Albanians have multiplied like rabbits in that region and became a significant factor in the region.Famous Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy in his writings calls that city as "ALBANOPOLIS"("albus,albo"=white and "polis"=city),so the hole region was named by the city as "ALBANIA"!
Later,when Turks came,Scipetaris returned to Islam(from Christianity they got from Serbia and Byzantium) and as their servants started to terrorize enslaved Serbian population(like mass and organized public slaughterings) and to steal Serbian lands and properties.
That's how they came and became majority on Kosovo and Metohiya!
Kosovo is 101% Serbian land!
P.S.
Closest "relatives" by ethnicity to Scipetaris are Chechens.
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WOW!!! Do you have more of this history lesons?? Thank you very much! :)
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Considering "Al-bananians"...
Albanians came from Caucasus 1200 years ago.
In 8th century there was a group of people on eastern Caucasus (in area of today's Azerbaijan and Dagestan).They were doing hunting and cattle breeding and they called them selves "Scipetari"(alb."Shquiptari") which means "highlander(s)".That area was known in Middle Ages as "Albania".They were pagans and they worshiped a "goddess of Moon",spoken 26 different dialects.
Then they found them selves in a very bad position.From the north Hazars(of Moses' faith) pressed them with huge taxation and on south they found Arabs(of Muhammadan faith) who offered them benefits if they convert to Islam.And Scipetari("Albanians") just did that and became Arabs' allies(or servants).
In a mean while,Arabs conquered Sicily and part of south Italy,then they moved parts of Albanians from Caucasus to newly conquered areas(Sicily and south Italy) in order to establish its faith and ethnicity.Albanians were useful for that goals to Arabs since they've accepted Islam.But,it wasn't good for Albos...they found them selves,again,between 2 fires-Islam and Christianity.Those areas were conquered all the time from different parties-Christians or Muslims,so they had to change their faith very often in order to survive.
In 11th century those areas(south Italy and Sicily) were parts of Byzantium Empire.The Empire was attacking Serbian Czarhood ruled by young Czar Voyislav(1024-1065).Young Czar,while defending Serbia from Byzantium Empire,brutally and literally crushed Byzantium armies in two major battles.For that reason rebellion started in all over the Empire,because people were afraid and unease.Parts where Scipetaris lived(Sicily and south Italy) were under Byzantium ruler/regent called George(or Georgius) Maniac.He also rebelled against the Empire,prepared a rebellion army and took it on board on the ships toward Byzantium city of Drac(today Albania).
BUT,there wasn't only the rebelled army on the ships,there were also Scipetaris(Albos).Scipetaris moved with them with its complete families and some property.And in March 1043 they came to Adriatic coast and led by George Maniac fought against regular Byzantium army.The rebels have lost!George Maniac was killed in the battle and remaining parts of the rebels have surrendered.Byzantium took all the rebelled soldiers under its full control while they REJECTED Scipetaris.So,Scipetaris found them selves once again in the middle of two clashed civilizations-Serbian and Byzantium!
Young Serbian Czar Voyislav(srb."Voijslav") let them(Scipetaris) to live in Serbia in surroundings of Rabantown.They were breeding cattle and paying taxes to Serbian Czar.So,you can see they were vassals of Serbian Czar.And in the beginning they didn't have the right to posses any lands nor to mix with domestic Serbian population,just to breed cattle,pay taxes-to serve.
All the Albanian tribes that came to Serbia(Gegs,Tosks,Japs and Samids) called them selves as "Scipetari".Serbs called them "ARBANASES" or "RABANASES" by the place of RABAN where they were allowed to live!Some called them "Albanians" by the name of region where they came from in Caucasus,and Arabs called them "ARNAUTS" meaning "those who have not returned"!
Now,in southern from Raban where Scipetaris settled,there was a major Serbian city called BELIGRAD("beli"=white and "grad"=city).Albanians have multiplied like rabbits in that region and became a significant factor in the region.Famous Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy in his writings calls that city as "ALBANOPOLIS"("albus,albo"=white and "polis"=city),so the hole region was named by the city as "ALBANIA"!
Later,when Turks came,Scipetaris returned to Islam(from Christianity they got from Serbia and Byzantium) and as their servants started to terrorize enslaved Serbian population(like mass and organized public slaughterings) and to steal Serbian lands and properties.
That's how they came and became majority on Kosovo and Metohiya!
Kosovo is 101% Serbian land!
P.S.
Closest "relatives" by ethnicity to Scipetaris are Chechens.
Amazingly informative post there brother Kerber!!
This is why I love the JTF Save Serbia sub-forum so much! Where did you get all these facts from?
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Seriously ? I heard Albanians claim they're descended from the Illirians.
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Seriously ? I heard Albanians claim they're descended from the Illirians.
he,he!are u kidding??? :::D
they got nothing with ancient illirians,i live in town where lived illirian queen Teuta,where is most famous roman and illirians mosaics and museum.
old illirians were mixed with old slavs in 8-9 century,and they extinct in slav majority,and shiptars comes for first time in europe for 11century.
now shiptars want to proof that they are origins of old illirians,but believe me,they are not,90procent of them look like arabs,and they have their "culture".
alkaida is now present in kosovo and shiptaria(albania).
i got some little hotel ,and before few years,here comes few people,and i didn't know from where are they,and i didn't ask them.
and next day i was having dinner at restorant,and they come to me and ask me something on english.
we start talking ,and i ask them from what country are they.
one who spoke with me was from germany,some profesor,and another was from albania some minister.
and they start ask me what i think about kosovo,imagine that!!!! >:(
i told them my opinions and that was gasoline on fire.
they start to telling me that shiptars are illirians,but not any fact,only we live in kosovo and albania for milleniums and onother bullsh...
i ask albanian how is their language are not similar with old illiric,and how is that their nation are not remember single one illirian hero,or how is that they got no single tales or song about them?
and guess what?
he didn't said one word including his german nazi friend(as he was talking in his speech about jews and try little about serbs and i stopped him for both)
than albanian said that they got djerdj kastrioti albanian hero! :::D
how can man from a greek father and serbian mother be shiptar???
and what u gotta say on this???
i gotta say for shiptars,be loyal citisiens of serbia(kosovo),or leave it!!!!!!!
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Who are the Illyrians?
Which group did their language belong to? Are there peoples today with the language similar to that of Illyrians?
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Who are the Illyrians?
Which group did their language belong to? Are there peoples today with the language similar to that of Illyrians?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians
Illyrians has come to refer to a broad, ill-defined[1] "Indo-European"[2] group of peoples who inhabited the western Balkans (Illyria, roughly from central Albania to southern Pannonia) and even possibly Messapia in Southern Italy (if the Messapian language is to be considered an Illlyrian dialect[3]). Illyrians[4] were part[5] of the Hallstatt culture.[6][7][8][9][10]
In theory, Illyrians are defined as speakers of the Illyrian languages, but since the latter is practically unknown, this entails the danger of a circular definition. The existence of a broad "Illyrian" ethnic identity in the past is uncertain, and some argue that the ethnonym Illyrioi came to be applied to this large group of peoples by the ancient Greeks, Illyrioi having perhaps originally designated only a single people that came to be widely known to the Greeks due to proximity.[11][12]
Indeed, such a people known as the Illyrioi have occupied a small and well-defined part of the south Adriatic coast, around Skadar Lake astride the modern frontier between Albania and Montenegro. The name may then have expanded and come to be applied to ethnically different peoples such as the Liburni, Delmatae, Iapodes, or the Pannonii.
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Albanians are racially very heterogenous.
One can see incredible differences between members of the same family.
There must be a Roma element in the population as well, but I always understood Albania to be the homeland of the Dinaric sub-race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/Dorus_001/dinaric1.jpg)
(http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/greekmorphological/q.jpg)
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LOL, this claim sounds very familiar I wonder why, may be there is another group of people who assume a fake ancient identity...
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Albanians are racially very heterogenous.
One can see incredible differences between members of the same family.
There must be a Roma element in the population as well, but I always understood Albania to be the homeland of the Dinaric sub-race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/Dorus_001/dinaric1.jpg)
(http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/greekmorphological/q.jpg)
The nose and skull shape of the first one almost resemble a Turk.
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Albanians are racially very heterogenous.
One can see incredible differences between members of the same family.
There must be a Roma element in the population as well, but I always understood Albania to be the homeland of the Dinaric sub-race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/Dorus_001/dinaric1.jpg)
(http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/greekmorphological/q.jpg)
nope,u are wrong,nothing dinaric in them!!!
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Who are the Illyrians?
Which group did their language belong to? Are there peoples today with the language similar to that of Illyrians?
no,today there is no language similar to illirian.
like a said illirians minority mixed with slav majority and they extinct as nation and also their language.
and nowa days,shiptars give their childrens names of old illirians.
that is now in,for few years.
now some of them don't give childs names like OSMAN,MURAT,PALJOKA,ISMET, but give them old illirians name TEUTA,ARGON...
and u can not find older shiptars,older than 20 years with illirian names,only younger.
i wonder why???
:laugh:
and about today languages on balkans! majority is southernslavs languages,SERBIAN(serbia,montenegro,half part of bosnia,some parts of croatia),CROATIAN(croatia and some part of bosnia)language is modify serbian language,in "iekavski"dialect(montenegro,bosnia,and croatia).croats got their own language "kajkavski" and "cakavski" dialect but 90 procent of croats use serbian "iekavski"dialect.
and use a letters who serbian VUK KARADZIC wrote!!!
than we got SLOVENIAN language,than slav MACEDONIAN,BULGARIAN.
than we got nonslavic GREEK language(old europe language),and ALBANIAN(non indo-europian language)!!!
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Who are the Illyrians?
Which group did their language belong to? Are there peoples today with the language similar to that of Illyrians?
no,today there is no language similar to illirian.
like a said illirians minority mixed with slav majority and they extinct as nation and also their language.
and nowa days,shiptars give their childrens names of old illirians.
that is now in,for few years.
now some of them don't give childs names like OSMAN,MURAT,PALJOKA,ISMET, but give them old illirians name TEUTA,ARGON...
and u can not find older shiptars,older than 20 years with illirian names,only younger.
i wonder why???
:laugh:
It seems Albanians are as Illyrians as Croats are Goths :)
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Who are the Illyrians?
Which group did their language belong to? Are there peoples today with the language similar to that of Illyrians?
no,today there is no language similar to illirian.
like a said illirians minority mixed with slav majority and they extinct as nation and also their language.
and nowa days,shiptars give their childrens names of old illirians.
that is now in,for few years.
now some of them don't give childs names like OSMAN,MURAT,PALJOKA,ISMET, but give them old illirians name TEUTA,ARGON...
and u can not find older shiptars,older than 20 years with illirian names,only younger.
i wonder why???
:laugh:
It seems Albanians are as Illyrians as Croats are Goths :)
something like that! ;D
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@Crnogorac(Montenegrian Serb),
Queen Teuta lived in Risan on Adriatic coast.So,you live in Risan?
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@Crnogorac(Montenegrian Serb),
Queen Teuta lived in Risan on Adriatic coast.So,you live in Risan?
close ;D
few kilometres from there
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Considering "Al-bananians"...
Albanians came from Caucasus 1200 years ago.
In 8th century there was a group of people on eastern Caucasus (in area of today's Azerbaijan and Dagestan).They were doing hunting and cattle breeding and they called them selves "Scipetari"(alb."Shquiptari") which means "highlander(s)".That area was known in Middle Ages as "Albania".They were pagans and they worshiped a "goddess of Moon",spoken 26 different dialects.
Then they found them selves in a very bad position.From the north Hazars(of Moses' faith) pressed them with huge taxation and on south they found Arabs(of Muhammadan faith) who offered them benefits if they convert to Islam.And Scipetari("Albanians") just did that and became Arabs' allies(or servants).
In a mean while,Arabs conquered Sicily and part of south Italy,then they moved parts of Albanians from Caucasus to newly conquered areas(Sicily and south Italy) in order to establish its faith and ethnicity.Albanians were useful for that goals to Arabs since they've accepted Islam.But,it wasn't good for Albos...they found them selves,again,between 2 fires-Islam and Christianity.Those areas were conquered all the time from different parties-Christians or Muslims,so they had to change their faith very often in order to survive.
In 11th century those areas(south Italy and Sicily) were parts of Byzantium Empire.The Empire was attacking Serbian Czarhood ruled by young Czar Voyislav(1024-1065).Young Czar,while defending Serbia from Byzantium Empire,brutally and literally crushed Byzantium armies in two major battles.For that reason rebellion started in all over the Empire,because people were afraid and unease.Parts where Scipetaris lived(Sicily and south Italy) were under Byzantium ruler/regent called George(or Georgius) Maniac.He also rebelled against the Empire,prepared a rebellion army and took it on board on the ships toward Byzantium city of Drac(today Albania).
BUT,there wasn't only the rebelled army on the ships,there were also Scipetaris(Albos).Scipetaris moved with them with its complete families and some property.And in March 1043 they came to Adriatic coast and led by George Maniac fought against regular Byzantium army.The rebels have lost!George Maniac was killed in the battle and remaining parts of the rebels have surrendered.Byzantium took all the rebelled soldiers under its full control while they REJECTED Scipetaris.So,Scipetaris found them selves once again in the middle of two clashed civilizations-Serbian and Byzantium!
Young Serbian Czar Voyislav(srb."Voijslav") let them(Scipetaris) to live in Serbia in surroundings of Rabantown.They were breeding cattle and paying taxes to Serbian Czar.So,you can see they were vassals of Serbian Czar.And in the beginning they didn't have the right to posses any lands nor to mix with domestic Serbian population,just to breed cattle,pay taxes-to serve.
All the Albanian tribes that came to Serbia(Gegs,Tosks,Japs and Samids) called them selves as "Scipetari".Serbs called them "ARBANASES" or "RABANASES" by the place of RABAN where they were allowed to live!Some called them "Albanians" by the name of region where they came from in Caucasus,and Arabs called them "ARNAUTS" meaning "those who have not returned"!
Now,in southern from Raban where Scipetaris settled,there was a major Serbian city called BELIGRAD("beli"=white and "grad"=city).Albanians have multiplied like rabbits in that region and became a significant factor in the region.Famous Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy in his writings calls that city as "ALBANOPOLIS"("albus,albo"=white and "polis"=city),so the hole region was named by the city as "ALBANIA"!
Later,when Turks came,Scipetaris returned to Islam(from Christianity they got from Serbia and Byzantium) and as their servants started to terrorize enslaved Serbian population(like mass and organized public slaughterings) and to steal Serbian lands and properties.
That's how they came and became majority on Kosovo and Metohiya!
Kosovo is 101% Serbian land!
P.S.
Closest "relatives" by ethnicity to Scipetaris are Chechens.
Amazingly informative post there brother Kerber!!
This is why I love the JTF Save Serbia sub-forum so much! Where did you get all these facts from?
Those are known facts to our historians as a part of Serbian history(because Albos had an impact in our history so it is very known to us)...Unfortunately,this is not compatible with "Western school" of history because of importance for ruling "elites" to create their goals and orders.
Jesuits from Austro-Hungarian Empire was the first to invent rubbish like Albanians are descendants from Illyrians.That's pure imagination with no proves at all.Illyrians were destroyed or assimilated centuries before Scipetaris came here.That was a part of the Empire's politics to weaken Serbia and Orthodox Christianity by insisting on a lie which could be useful to occupy part of Serbia under the mask of "freedom for Albanians as Balkans' Indians(natives)".
Implications of that politics you can see even today.Today it is the same story and the same mask of "ethnic Albanians being terrorized by Serbs" and NATO was here to "liberate them".
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Considering "Al-bananians"...
Albanians came from Caucasus 1200 years ago.
In 8th century there was a group of people on eastern Caucasus (in area of today's Azerbaijan and Dagestan).They were doing hunting and cattle breeding and they called them selves "Scipetari"(alb."Shquiptari") which means "highlander(s)".That area was known in Middle Ages as "Albania".They were pagans and they worshiped a "goddess of Moon",spoken 26 different dialects.
Then they found them selves in a very bad position.From the north Hazars(of Moses' faith) pressed them with huge taxation and on south they found Arabs(of Muhammadan faith) who offered them benefits if they convert to Islam.And Scipetari("Albanians") just did that and became Arabs' allies(or servants).
In a mean while,Arabs conquered Sicily and part of south Italy,then they moved parts of Albanians from Caucasus to newly conquered areas(Sicily and south Italy) in order to establish its faith and ethnicity.Albanians were useful for that goals to Arabs since they've accepted Islam.But,it wasn't good for Albos...they found them selves,again,between 2 fires-Islam and Christianity.Those areas were conquered all the time from different parties-Christians or Muslims,so they had to change their faith very often in order to survive.
In 11th century those areas(south Italy and Sicily) were parts of Byzantium Empire.The Empire was attacking Serbian Czarhood ruled by young Czar Voyislav(1024-1065).Young Czar,while defending Serbia from Byzantium Empire,brutally and literally crushed Byzantium armies in two major battles.For that reason rebellion started in all over the Empire,because people were afraid and unease.Parts where Scipetaris lived(Sicily and south Italy) were under Byzantium ruler/regent called George(or Georgius) Maniac.He also rebelled against the Empire,prepared a rebellion army and took it on board on the ships toward Byzantium city of Drac(today Albania).
BUT,there wasn't only the rebelled army on the ships,there were also Scipetaris(Albos).Scipetaris moved with them with its complete families and some property.And in March 1043 they came to Adriatic coast and led by George Maniac fought against regular Byzantium army.The rebels have lost!George Maniac was killed in the battle and remaining parts of the rebels have surrendered.Byzantium took all the rebelled soldiers under its full control while they REJECTED Scipetaris.So,Scipetaris found them selves once again in the middle of two clashed civilizations-Serbian and Byzantium!
Young Serbian Czar Voyislav(srb."Voijslav") let them(Scipetaris) to live in Serbia in surroundings of Rabantown.They were breeding cattle and paying taxes to Serbian Czar.So,you can see they were vassals of Serbian Czar.And in the beginning they didn't have the right to posses any lands nor to mix with domestic Serbian population,just to breed cattle,pay taxes-to serve.
All the Albanian tribes that came to Serbia(Gegs,Tosks,Japs and Samids) called them selves as "Scipetari".Serbs called them "ARBANASES" or "RABANASES" by the place of RABAN where they were allowed to live!Some called them "Albanians" by the name of region where they came from in Caucasus,and Arabs called them "ARNAUTS" meaning "those who have not returned"!
Now,in southern from Raban where Scipetaris settled,there was a major Serbian city called BELIGRAD("beli"=white and "grad"=city).Albanians have multiplied like rabbits in that region and became a significant factor in the region.Famous Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy in his writings calls that city as "ALBANOPOLIS"("albus,albo"=white and "polis"=city),so the hole region was named by the city as "ALBANIA"!
Later,when Turks came,Scipetaris returned to Islam(from Christianity they got from Serbia and Byzantium) and as their servants started to terrorize enslaved Serbian population(like mass and organized public slaughterings) and to steal Serbian lands and properties.
That's how they came and became majority on Kosovo and Metohiya!
Kosovo is 101% Serbian land!
P.S.
Closest "relatives" by ethnicity to Scipetaris are Chechens.
Amazingly informative post there brother Kerber!!
This is why I love the JTF Save Serbia sub-forum so much! Where did you get all these facts from?
Those are known facts to our historians as a part of Serbian history(because Albos had an impact in our history so it is very known to us)...Unfortunately,this is not compatible with "Western school" of history because of importance for ruling "elites" to create their goals and orders.
Jesuits from Austro-Hungarian Empire was the first to invent rubbish like Albanians are descendants from Illyrians.That's pure imagination with no proves at all.Illyrians were destroyed or assimilated centuries before Scipetaris came here.That was a part of the Empire's politics to weaken Serbia and Orthodox Christianity by insisting on a lie which could be useful to occupy part of Serbia under the mask of "freedom for Albanians as Balkans' Indians(natives)".
Implications of that politics you can see even today.Today it is the same story and the same mask of "ethnic Albanians being terrorized by Serbs" and NATO was here to "liberate them".
Thank you for the information Kerber.
I agree with what you're saying in that the Illyrians were assimilated centuries ago, long ago before the Albanians showed up in the 11th century to the Balkans. On the other hand, you could argue that many countries in Europe, the Middle East and the Caucasus as well, have at least some Illyrian ancestry? I read the Illyrians traveled as far as the Caucasus region and Middle East some even had villages their? People have settled here and there in many parts of the world, so it's not surprising if we see peoples from other cultures not resembling their fellow countrymen. I do think it's ridiculous how Albanians claim they are direct descendants of Illyrians for their predecessors and no one else. It seems like Albanians have some Middle Eastern blood probably from merchant trading and the Turks with also mainly European as well. This sounds reasonable considering most Albanians are extremely Nationalist like Turks and don't allow any intermarriage of any other ethnicities or cultures except Albanians. Most behave just like the Jihadist MuSSlims.
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
jasmina u are the best
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
jasmina u are the best
:-[ Thank you!
The end of the second war was in 106 AD, I forgot to mention that!
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
It's right but many people think they are gypsies.
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
It's right but many people think they are gypsies.
Gypsies are from India.
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Romanians are descends of Dacic people mixed with Ancent Romanic people (NOT ROMAS aka Gipsies) .
After the second war between Dacia and Romanic Empior, Dacia lost, many Dacic men died, and many Dacic women remaned...Roman men moved in Dacia and mixed with Dacic women and formed ROMANIANS!
It's right but many people think they are gypsies.
Then MANY people are stupid!
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
he,he!!! :::D
as i know hungarians and fins are huns from east asia(atilla,khans etc.)
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
he,he!!! :::D
as i know hungarians and fins are huns from east asia(atilla,khans etc.)
No they are Magyars, they even call themselves Magyar in their Magyarian Hungarian language.
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
he,he!!! :::D
as i know hungarians and fins are huns from east asia(atilla,khans etc.)
No they are Magyars, they even call themselves Magyar in their Magyarian Hungarian language.
yes, but they really are huns,their language is only similar with fins,ugro-fin languages.
don't get me wrong,about this,i am not some hungarian hater,i love their girls ;D
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Zelhar (You are right)
Magyar means Hungarian, in the Hungarian language. Proud Montenegrian Serb you are right in part, but current Hungarians have Slavic and Germanic "bloods" too, + another Turkic heritage.
:)
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This video is about the Hungarians, history, culture by one of my Jewish friend (Gavriel):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0gvh3qicM
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Zelhar (You are right)
Magyar means Hungarian, in the Hungarian language. Proud Montenegrian Serb you are right in part, but current Hungarians have Slavic and Germanic "bloods" too, + another Turkic heritage.
:)
You don't have to explain what "Magyar" means because we also call them LIKE THAT!We don't say anything similar with "Hungar"(only here on English).
We say "Madjar" as we heard how they call them selves centuries ago.
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Zelhar (You are right)
Magyar means Hungarian, in the Hungarian language. Proud Montenegrian Serb you are right in part, but current Hungarians have Slavic and Germanic "bloods" too, + another Turkic heritage.
:)
You don't have to explain what "Magyar" means because we also call them LIKE THAT!We don't say anything similar with "Hungar"(only here on English).
We say "Madjar" as we heard how they call them selves centuries ago.
French, and Germans say similar to "Hungarian", for example Ongrie, or Ungarische
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
Hehe...And Bosnian Muslims say that they have pyramids.
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
Hehe...And Bosnian Muslims say that they have pyramids.
:::D HILLARIOUS!!!!! :::D
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Zelhar (You are right)
Magyar means Hungarian, in the Hungarian language. Proud Montenegrian Serb you are right in part, but current Hungarians have Slavic and Germanic "bloods" too, + another Turkic heritage.
:)
You don't have to explain what "Magyar" means because we also call them LIKE THAT!We don't say anything similar with "Hungar"(only here on English).
We say "Madjar" as we heard how they call them selves centuries ago.
French, and Germans say similar to "Hungarian", for example Ongrie, or Ungarische
I know,that's why their names Hungary and Hungarian are world wide accepted.Austro-Hungarian Empire we called "Austro-Ugarska",while our name for Hungary is "Madjarska".
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Hungarian chauvinists think they are descented of Sumerians, and that Jesus was Hungarian. :laugh: :::D ;D :'( ;D :laugh:
Hehe...And Bosnian Muslims say that they have pyramids.
:::D HILLARIOUS!!!!! :::D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramids
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omg....i heard about those pyramids b4.......
and somebody said macedonian was a totaly different language,from what i know,it was one of the older serbian spoken dialects that didn't get in to the serbian language...i wouldn't cathagorise macedonians as a whole other nation...
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omg....i heard about those pyramids b4.......
and somebody said macedonian was a totaly different language,from what i know,it was one of the older serbian spoken dialects that didn't get in to the serbian language...i wouldn't cathagorise macedonians as a whole other nation...
Macedonians were formed in order to break the Great Serbia formation? MAYBE!!! I'm not sure!
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Romanians (Vlachs) are descendents of ancient Ilirians and Moesians, They were romanised and when Roman border on Danube colapsed in VII century, some of them emigrated to Valachia and Macedonia, and some of them remained in what is now Serbia. They're not Gypsies.
http://www.friesian.com/decdenc2.htm
Alabanians are European Fakestinians.
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I myself wonder if the Shiptars (Albanians) are descended from the Dravids (Tamils) of South India. They both have a language that is completely unrelated to any other language family in the world, both converted to Islam en masse, and both make their living via heroin-dealing and organized crime.
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Is it PC to say Futar instead of Shiptar ?
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Is it PC to say Futar instead of Shiptar ?
What's "Futar"?
Albanians call themselves "Shiptari"(alb."shqiptar") meaning "highlanders".So it's normal to call them by that name.
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'Futar' is a human-cat hybrid in Frank Herbert's Dune universe.
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i've heard heard they like to think of them selves as "childern of the eagle" and that shiptar means something of that kind...
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omg....i heard about those pyramids b4.......
and somebody said macedonian was a totaly different language,from what i know,it was one of the older serbian spoken dialects that didn't get in to the serbian language...i wouldn't cathagorise macedonians as a whole other nation...
Macedonians were formed in order to break the Great Serbia formation? MAYBE!!! I'm not sure!
Yes you are correct. Tito the Croat during WW2 was responsible for creating a so called Macedonian state and identity. Their is no such thing as a Macedonian ethnicity. The ancient Macedonians were Greeks.
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No. And they dont look alike. Dont insult romas
The majority of gypsies are criminals, they are like the Mexicans of Europe but worse.
They prefer to be called romas and they are not criminals. Are you a nazi? White Isrealite is a racist sounding username.
You calling me a racist because I identify as white? That's racist to assume I can only be racist because i'm white. I just identify as a white Jew.
Ayron??
White Isreallite sounds so christian identity, but if you are a jew you are a wannabee nazi because nazis will never accept jews as white
I am a white republican Jewish woman and I hate moslems, and I hate those who support the murderous moslems!
My dearest wish is to wake up and find all the Moslems off the face of this earth.
If you want an accurate description of radical racism, take a look at Islam.
Welcome to the forum. Shalom - Dox
It is racism when you are talking that way about muslims, they are not all bad... I classify people by what they did and doing not by religion, both muslims and jews where working against my country, so should I hate jews because of that? Of course not, you have to blame world oligarhy leaders and new world order, they can turn us against eachother with their money, they separate my people in several countries and make diferent nation of one people, we killed eachothers in wars, you know why - because of money and corupt people. My point is you should separate people on good and bad not to clasiffy them by their religion, we didn't choose our religion we inherit it from our ancestors it's our legacy. I don't like muslims or their religion but blaming them would not solve the problem, you have a big problem if you don't know with who you need to fight, think about it...
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Once I read that Albanians were a Turkic tribe with Cuman heritage, and ancient Albanians and Romanians were same. I don't know it is right or not.
Albanians are what they need to be for their puppetier, and you will see all kinds of propaganda it's nothing unussual...Albanians got Kosovo because America need it to build a war base, probably for some future war...
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Seriously ? I heard Albanians claim they're descended from the Illirians.
That is example of Albanian propaganda.
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Considering "Al-bananians"...
Albanians came from Caucasus 1200 years ago.
In 8th century there was a group of people on eastern Caucasus (in area of today's Azerbaijan and Dagestan).They were doing hunting and cattle breeding and they called them selves "Scipetari"(alb."Shquiptari") which means "highlander(s)".That area was known in Middle Ages as "Albania".They were pagans and they worshiped a "goddess of Moon",spoken 26 different dialects.
Then they found them selves in a very bad position.From the north Hazars(of Moses' faith) pressed them with huge taxation and on south they found Arabs(of Muhammadan faith) who offered them benefits if they convert to Islam.And Scipetari("Albanians") just did that and became Arabs' allies(or servants).
In a mean while,Arabs conquered Sicily and part of south Italy,then they moved parts of Albanians from Caucasus to newly conquered areas(Sicily and south Italy) in order to establish its faith and ethnicity.Albanians were useful for that goals to Arabs since they've accepted Islam.But,it wasn't good for Albos...they found them selves,again,between 2 fires-Islam and Christianity.Those areas were conquered all the time from different parties-Christians or Muslims,so they had to change their faith very often in order to survive.
In 11th century those areas(south Italy and Sicily) were parts of Byzantium Empire.The Empire was attacking Serbian Czarhood ruled by young Czar Voyislav(1024-1065).Young Czar,while defending Serbia from Byzantium Empire,brutally and literally crushed Byzantium armies in two major battles.For that reason rebellion started in all over the Empire,because people were afraid and unease.Parts where Scipetaris lived(Sicily and south Italy) were under Byzantium ruler/regent called George(or Georgius) Maniac.He also rebelled against the Empire,prepared a rebellion army and took it on board on the ships toward Byzantium city of Drac(today Albania).
BUT,there wasn't only the rebelled army on the ships,there were also Scipetaris(Albos).Scipetaris moved with them with its complete families and some property.And in March 1043 they came to Adriatic coast and led by George Maniac fought against regular Byzantium army.The rebels have lost!George Maniac was killed in the battle and remaining parts of the rebels have surrendered.Byzantium took all the rebelled soldiers under its full control while they REJECTED Scipetaris.So,Scipetaris found them selves once again in the middle of two clashed civilizations-Serbian and Byzantium!
Young Serbian Czar Voyislav(srb."Voijslav") let them(Scipetaris) to live in Serbia in surroundings of Rabantown.They were breeding cattle and paying taxes to Serbian Czar.So,you can see they were vassals of Serbian Czar.And in the beginning they didn't have the right to posses any lands nor to mix with domestic Serbian population,just to breed cattle,pay taxes-to serve.
All the Albanian tribes that came to Serbia(Gegs,Tosks,Japs and Samids) called them selves as "Scipetari".Serbs called them "ARBANASES" or "RABANASES" by the place of RABAN where they were allowed to live!Some called them "Albanians" by the name of region where they came from in Caucasus,and Arabs called them "ARNAUTS" meaning "those who have not returned"!
Now,in southern from Raban where Scipetaris settled,there was a major Serbian city called BELIGRAD("beli"=white and "grad"=city).Albanians have multiplied like rabbits in that region and became a significant factor in the region.Famous Alexandrian geographer Claudius Ptolemy in his writings calls that city as "ALBANOPOLIS"("albus,albo"=white and "polis"=city),so the hole region was named by the city as "ALBANIA"!
Later,when Turks came,Scipetaris returned to Islam(from Christianity they got from Serbia and Byzantium) and as their servants started to terrorize enslaved Serbian population(like mass and organized public slaughterings) and to steal Serbian lands and properties.
That's how they came and became majority on Kosovo and Metohiya!
Kosovo is 101% Serbian land!
P.S.
Closest "relatives" by ethnicity to Scipetaris are Chechens.
Amazingly informative post there brother Kerber!!
This is why I love the JTF Save Serbia sub-forum so much! Where did you get all these facts from?
Those are known facts to our historians as a part of Serbian history(because Albos had an impact in our history so it is very known to us)...Unfortunately,this is not compatible with "Western school" of history because of importance for ruling "elites" to create their goals and orders.
Jesuits from Austro-Hungarian Empire was the first to invent rubbish like Albanians are descendants from Illyrians.That's pure imagination with no proves at all.Illyrians were destroyed or assimilated centuries before Scipetaris came here.That was a part of the Empire's politics to weaken Serbia and Orthodox Christianity by insisting on a lie which could be useful to occupy part of Serbia under the mask of "freedom for Albanians as Balkans' Indians(natives)".
Implications of that politics you can see even today.Today it is the same story and the same mask of "ethnic Albanians being terrorized by Serbs" and NATO was here to "liberate them".
Pogledaj na youtube-u profesora Jovana Deretica, kucaj - zabranjena istorija Srba, covek je istrazivao i nasao neke veoma zanimljive podatke i objasnio par stvari...
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@ProudToBeSerb,
Znam za Jovana Deretića.
On je, verovatno,jedan od naÅ¡ih najboljih srpskih istoriÄara, ako ne i najbolji.
InaÄe, ovaj video materijal treba titlovati na engleski jezik.Ako je neko u stanju to da odradi i ima vremena i volje,bilo bi fantastiÄno.
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Translation for others:
I know for Jovan Deretic.
He is probably one of our best Serbian historians, if not the best.
Anyway, this video should be subtitled in English language.If someone is able to do it and has time and will, it would be fantastic.
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Jovan Deretic is frivolous! He has some good stuff but most part is frivolous and false!
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Jovan Deretic is frivolous! He has some good stuff but most part is frivolous and false!
А ти си 30 година проучавао српску историју па знаш?
Doctor Jovan I Deretic has concrete evidence for everything he published.
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Misli sta hoces!
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Misli sta hoces!
Наравно.
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Da mi smo i grci a?
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Јован И Деретић је постао члан руске академије наука, и то на њихов захтев. Да он нема конкретне доказе о својим тврдњама ово сигурно не би био случај.
Jovan I Deretic became a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and at their request. That he has no concrete evidence of his claims this would not have been the case. (google translator)
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Yes is true that serbs are not came in balkan in 7th century and we was not Barbarians. Serbs are older then that, and probably term Slav is the same as term Serb.
He claims that Achilles was serb only on the basis of one picture from vase,which is found who knows where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIIbO5K_Xs&NR=1
Its true that Albanians are came later on balkan like is described up here , more-less! etc.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ0DFtGeoM4&feature=grec_index
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOCqTq7FTg&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOCqTq7FTg&feature=related
Now that I think of it, I think Albanians come from modern day Dagestan/Azerbaijan/Georgia, the people look very similar!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Prokudin-Gorskii-44.jpg/691px-Prokudin-Gorskii-44.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Sunni_Muslim_man_wearing_traditional_dress_and_headgear.jpg/749px-Sunni_Muslim_man_wearing_traditional_dress_and_headgear.jpg)
compare to Albanians
(http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/albanian-man.jpg)
(http://c0170351.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/9286_3279_m.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK7m8OBIxBU&feature=related
loooooool
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There is no data about Albanians,about they existence on Balkan, before 12. century ! There is so many old maps with Albania land on Caucasus. There is some other evidence! But Albanians keep saying that they are Illyrians, so that they can have right for Kosovo.
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I bee thinking , should I post this or not, because,the last time I was attacked very hard. So I decide to write this anyway!These are the facts!
It is the fact that some tribes from nation Shqip(ë)tars( "Šćipetari" - as they called themselves) arrived on Balkan with Turkish invasion!!! Of these tribes were created today's Albanians, although much of today's Albanians are assimilated Serbs and Greeks! Archaeological researches in the territory of Albania shows that there used to be represented exclusively Orthodox churches and monasteries, and many customs of the Albanians celebrated in Gregorian calendar, on the same day when Serbs celebrate that in Julian calendar.
Albanian national hero Skanderbeg Djuradj Kastriot was a Serb and his father and mother, and grandparents and crones. Reposh his brother was a monk in a monastery Hilandar and is buried there.
Kastriot family had the Coat of arms with two-headed eagle on it! At that times only the Serbs, Byzantines (Greeks), Russia and Austria had that kind a Heraldry! Austrian two-headed eagle is connected to German eagle(Austrian two-headed eagle is almost identical to German eagle but has two heads) and Austria is to far and dont have connection to Albania. Serbia and Russia have inherited the eagle from Byzantium!So you make your on conclusion!
Coat of arms of the Kastriot family:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/StemaeFamiljesKastrioti2.GIF
The Albanian language in the historical sources mentioned very late for the first time in 1285 as a "lingua albanesesca" in one of Dubrovnik manuscript.
This is Summed story !
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http://www.lopare.net/forum/attachments/filozofija-religija-i-istorija/1758d1171368411-srbija-u-doba-kralja-bodina-dddvs7.gif
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If there were Serbs who assimilated into the Albanian nation then they were traitors and their destiny is now one and the same as the Albanian nation they joined.
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If there were Serbs who assimilated into the Albanian nation then they were traitors and their destiny is now one and the same as the Albanian nation they joined.
It can be said on that way,but that is not quite simple! There is a good people in Albania. Many Albanians in Kosovo did not supported a KLA (UCK) and died because of that.!
In Albania in this days lives only in Shkodra(Skadar - old serbian town, even more capital city) 30 000 serbs. They are preserved Serbian customs and holidays, but they have a Albanians names and surnames! In the time of Ahmet Muhtar Zogolli(Zogu) and Enver Halil Hoxha they must to have Albanians names and surnames or to leave the Albania(many did that). In this days they can change a name or surname but not both, this process is very very slow!
I just saying that almost all territory of Albania(especially the northern half) is Serbian land! So you can see whose is kosovo. They took northern Albania on same way as they took a Kosovo , with help and politics of Strong Western allies (Austro-hungary, GB...)!
This is the land liberated from the Turks by the Serbs 1912:
http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Balkankrieg_Besetzte_Gebiete_1913.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Srpska_osvajanja_1912.png
This is the land liberated from the Bulgarians by the Serbs 1913
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Srpska_osvajanja_1913.png
But serbia did not kept this territories because Great Powers did want strong serbia and they made a Albania, London 1913! Most bothered them was the Serbian(and montenegro- one people) had great length out of the sea!
Serbia in rhe map of year 814:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/76/20090428161928Europe_814.jpg
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If there were Serbs who assimilated into the Albanian nation then they were traitors and their destiny is now one and the same as the Albanian nation they joined.
That would be logical and sane conclusion, but not everyone is capable of reaching it.
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Serbia in the map of Europe of year 814:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Europe_814.jpg
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http://www.novinar.de/2011/01/18/mrznjom-i-falsifikatima-ne-pise-se-istorija.html#more-16669
Ako neko ima vreme neka prevede ovo na engleski!
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Serbia in the map of Europe of year 814:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Europe_814.jpg
There is Albania on the Caucasus area. The map only confirms that Albanians came from Caucasus.
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There is Albania on the Caucasus area. The map only confirms that Albanians came from Caucasus.
I said that!But also we can see that serbia had territory on todays Albania!
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Albanians are the criminals Gypsies are just a little different.Many people in the U.S. don't care for Gypsies because like my Mother used to tell me if i was bad gypsies would kidnap me and turn me into a Gypsy. Many Americans do not like Albanians either because they tend to be thieves. The only Americans who like Albanians are Americans in Govt. Although i have to say my brother had a few Albanian friends but they lost their Albanian traits they escaped to Sicily many generations ago so they're not really Albanian anymore they just remember they were once Albanians.They identify themselves more as Sicilians
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Albanians are the criminals Gypsies are just a little different.Many people in the U.S. don't care for Gypsies because like my Mother used to tell me if i was bad gypsies would kidnap me and turn me into a Gypsy. Many Americans do not like Albanians either because they tend to be thieves. The only Americans who like Albanians are Americans in Govt. Although i have to say my brother had a few Albanian friends but they lost their Albanian traits they escaped to Sicily many generations ago so they're not really Albanian anymore they just remember they were once Albanians.They identify themselves more as Sicilians
Sicilians are mafia so do they evolved to something bigger! :::D
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Sicilians are mafia so do they evolved to something bigger! :::D
But Sicilians have some morals Albanians have none.They would pickpocket a 90yr old lady of her last penny
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But Sicilians have some morals Albanians have none.They would pickpocket a 90yr old lady of her last penny
I just made the joke :suave:
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I just made the joke :suave:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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:throw:
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Albanians are the criminals Gypsies are just a little different.Many people in the U.S. don't care for Gypsies because like my Mother used to tell me if i was bad gypsies would kidnap me and turn me into a Gypsy. Many Americans do not like Albanians either because they tend to be thieves. The only Americans who like Albanians are Americans in Govt. Although i have to say my brother had a few Albanian friends but they lost their Albanian traits they escaped to Sicily many generations ago so they're not really Albanian anymore they just remember they were once Albanians.They identify themselves more as Sicilians
The same situation was with me, too. It looks like it's a global phenomena. ;)
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The same situation was with me, too. It looks like it's a global phenomena. ;)
Yes ,in serbia, people use that method to "scare" children if they been "bad"!
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http://serbstvo.yuku.com/topic/186/master/1/?page=1
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The Albenians are of Indo-germanic origin
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Yes it's true, Albanians are real Caucasians - descending from the Caucasus region which had been their their original home until some 6 or 7 centuries ago or so. I suspect that these vermin begum to infest the Balkans along with the Turkish conquest.
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Aren't Serbs and Croats caucasians too?
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Aren't Serbs and Croats caucasians too?
If you are caucasian , than we are caucasians to!
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I am Jewish Caucasian. And I'm proud to be a Caucasian. By the way, how do you say ''caucasian'' in Serbian? ''kavkazski''?
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I am Jewish Caucasian. And I'm proud to be a Caucasian. By the way, how do you say ''caucasian'' in Serbian? ''kavkazski''?
We don't use the term "kavkazac" for one's race. We just say white - belac. Caucasian for us is someone who lives in the area of Caucasus mountain.
I just want to know, why are you proud of your skin color? It's not much of an accomplishment.
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Ok, did you ask for region or race I had a feeling that you ask for region. If you ask for region, serbs are not truly from there, yes on serbian we say "kavkazski region"!
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I think the term should be, if it should Caucasus related at all, "Caucasoid". So that the term caucausian will only be used for what it's supposed to mean- a person from the Caucasus.
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Are all white people originally from the Caucasus? Why do we call a white person Caucasian?
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@Eden Ben Yitzchak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
The concept of a Caucasian race or Varietas Caucasia was developed around 1800 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German scientist and classical anthropologist.[4] Blumenbach named it after the Caucasian peoples (from the Northern Caucasus region), whom he considered to be the archetype for the grouping.[5] He based his classification of the Caucasian race primarily on craniology.[6] Blumenbach wrote:
"Caucasian variety - I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (birth place) of mankind."[7]
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So, you see, it is most common in Germanic nations. In Serbia this term is never used for defining major groups("races") of people.
When we say on this Forum that Albanians are Caucasians we are referring to their geographical origin - Caucasus Mountains area, near Black Sea.
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А ти си 30 година проучавао српску историју па знаш?
Doctor Jovan I Deretic has concrete evidence for everything he published.
I agree on that one.
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80% > of albanians have serbian origin, others Albanians have Asian origins. The area in which lived Albanian "natives" ("Asian" Albanians who migrated to the Balkans) is southern Albania, south of the river Shkumbin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkumbin
But on the whole territory of Albania can be found the remains of Orthodox churches, some Greek (Byzantine) but mostly Serbian.
"Albanian language has two dialects: Gheg dialect, north of the Shkumbin, and the dialect of Tosk south of the river. Tosk dialect is the official language of Albania. In Kosovo and Metohija is up to in 1972., As a literary Albanian Gheg dialect used. It printed books, newspapers, taught officially in school. That year was a meeting in Pristina Albanian linguists from Albania and Kosovo, where it was agreed that the Albanian literary language unifies. Since then, Kosovo and Metohija, the official and literary language, a dialect of Tosk as in Albania."
Actually, these are two different languages and two different people they barely understood among themselves! Northern - Ghеgs (Albanianaised Serbs, mostly) and the South - Tosks (native Albanians, mostly). Ghegs (Malisors) themselves have never called Albanians than Shqiptars (highlanders). Gheg language is full of Serbian, Italian, Greek, Roman and Turkish words. The letter was Cyrillic!
Albanian language is first mentioned in historical documents on July 14, 1285 in Dubrovnik. The letters of the Albanian language and writing standards were adopted in 1908. Was. Selected the Latin letters rather than the old Turkish language that was another alternative. This was done by the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Vatican, which aimed to create the Albanian people and the nation more than it is, and then create a state of Albania in order to weaken Serbia by territorial, ethnic and strategic (preventing or reduce her to the Adriatic Sea ).
Albanians were Orthodox Christians, and when they reached the Turks converted to Islam, under Vatican and the Austro-Hungarian influence lot of them have become Catholics, and that trend continues today, especially among Kosovo Albanians.