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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: takebackourtemple on July 08, 2009, 07:40:10 PM
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36 year old sleeping with a 20 year old girlfriend named Sahel Kazemi.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns
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You know, McNair still didn't deserve this. He was a schvartze and probably an evil one, but this was a cowardly, monstrous act that this devil-whore (who probably was using him for his money) did. Just because he used poor judgment with women doesn't mean he deserved to die like an animal.
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Wasn't Mcnair cheating on his wife when he slept with this woman? He didn't deserve to be killed but..It's partly his fault.
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You know, McNair still didn't deserve this. He was a schvartze and probably an evil one, but this was a cowardly, monstrous act that this devil-whore (who probably was using him for his money) did. Just because he used poor judgment with women doesn't mean he deserved to die like an animal.
It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
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Was tragic all the way around but it seems he basically used her as nothing but a toy. Sadly, at such a young age she would not or could not see it as such.
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Was she a Muslim? Obviously not a religious one.
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You know, McNair still didn't deserve this. He was a schvartze and probably an evil one, but this was a cowardly, monstrous act that this devil-whore (who probably was using him for his money) did. Just because he used poor judgment with women doesn't mean he deserved to die like an animal.
It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
Kazemi was knowingly his mistress as he cheated on his wife and she suspected he was cheating on both of them with yet another woman. She shot him once in the head, twice in the chest, and another time in the head as he was sleeping, and then shot herself.
I'd say "devil-whore" is a perfectly appropriate and succinct term for describing this devil-whore.
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You know, McNair still didn't deserve this. He was a schvartze and probably an evil one, but this was a cowardly, monstrous act that this devil-whore (who probably was using him for his money) did. Just because he used poor judgment with women doesn't mean he deserved to die like an animal.
It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
Kazemi was knowingly his mistress as he cheated on his wife and she suspected he was cheating on both of them with yet another woman. She shot him once in the head, twice in the chest, and another time in the head as he was sleeping, and then shot herself.
I'd say "devil-whore" is a perfectly appropriate and succinct term for describing this devil-whore.
And, as I have stated on too many occassions, I would not expect any different term to be used by Serb when referring to a woman.
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McNair was the "married" whore-dog here using women for his pleasure, no more.
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McNair was the "married" whore-dog here using women for his pleasure, no more.
gentile,
You are a 100% correct but, there are certain members here that are always willing to look past the man's poor actions and/or behavior in favor of bashing women.
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Well, either way, no great loss to humanity in this instance. Moving right along...
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It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
Nice, nice of you to defend a murderer. Next thing you will be posting in defense of Tali Fahima.
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gentile,
You are a 100% correct but, there are certain members here that are always willing to look past the man's poor actions and/or behavior in favor of bashing women.
The above poster is clearly a feminazi troll--and judging by her constant defense of openly perverse women such as Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox, I have to wonder about her orientation too.
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I am not defending anyone.
I am simply stating the obvious.
You may not like it but, it is what it is.
And, it is my opinion.
I, the same as you, am entitled to my opinion.
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Save it for the NOW forum. I don't have to listen to your pro-Muslim nonsense.
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gentile,
You are a 100% correct but, there are certain members here that are always willing to look past the man's poor actions and/or behavior in favor of bashing women.
The above poster is clearly a feminazi troll--and judging by her constant defense of openly perverse women such as Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox, I have to wonder about her orientation too.
Another classic.
I am not a troll.
And, I have never defended Jolie, Fox, or any other woman.
But, I have been critical of your constant perverse bashing of women.
I'm sorry that you don't like it.
The feeling is mutual, I don't like half of the posts that you make but, I live with them.
I suggest that you do the same.
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Save it for the NOW forum. I don't have to listen to your pro-Muslim nonsense.
Another classic.
Now you have sunk to a new low.
Pro-Muslim has never been any part of any of my posts.
If you opened your mind and did some homework; you would know that I have two family members who were the victims of a MUSLIM SUICIDE BOMBER in a Tel Aviv cafe.
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You are defending a Muslim female murderer. I don't know what the hell else that makes you!
Next thing I know you are going to make some posts in defense of partial-birth infanticide, or alleging that Israeli soldiers are guilty of raping filthy Arab harpies like all your feminazi activist friends do.
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You are defending a Muslim female murderer. I don't know what the hell else that makes you!
Next thing I know you are going to make some posts in defense of partial-birth infanticide, or alleging that Israeli soldiers are guilty of raping filthy Arab harpies like all your feminazi activist friends do.
You have officially confirmed my opinion of you.
You are a sick miserable man that probably has little to no respect of women.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
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You are defending a Muslim female murderer. I don't know what the hell else that makes you!
Next thing I know you are going to make some posts in defense of partial-birth infanticide, or alleging that Israeli soldiers are guilty of raping filthy Arab harpies like all your feminazi activist friends do.
By the way, have a goodnight and grow up.
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You have officially confirmed my opinion of you.
You are a sick miserable man that probably has little to no respect of women.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I believe you meant "for" women, but goodnight to you too. Everybody knows you're a troll now.
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You have officially confirmed my opinion of you.
You are a sick miserable man that probably has little to no respect of women.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I believe you meant "for" women, but goodnight to you too. Everybody knows you're a troll now.
So after over 1000 posts, I am now a troll.
It's interesting that no one on the forum has a problem with me or me with them.
I simply don't care for you or your attitude.
And, that seems to bother you, so be it.
I have tried on numerous occasions to reach out to you in a positive manner.
It's not my fault that you do not wish to consider anything other than your opinion.
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It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
Nice, nice of you to defend a murderer. Next thing you will be posting in defense of Tali Fahima.
The filthy sex obsessed niggerra got what he had coming to him. The filthy black animals are great at playing around with white woman until they find something more interesting and move on. I have to give the lady credit for not going along with this and blowing his brains out. I can't however because she was not smart enough to kill only him and not herself also. She should have gut shot him or even aimed a bit lower before she shot him in the head.
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You have officially confirmed my opinion of you.
You are a sick miserable man that probably has little to no respect of women.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I believe you meant "for" women, but goodnight to you too. Everybody knows you're a troll now.
So after over 1000 posts, I am now a troll.
It's interesting that no one on the forum has a problem with me or me with them.
I simply don't care for you or your attitude.
And, that seems to bother you, so be it.
I have tried on numerous occasions to reach out to you in a positive manner.
It's not my fault that you do not wish to consider anything other than your opinion.
Stick to your guns ag337 your a great forum member.
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You have officially confirmed my opinion of you.
You are a sick miserable man that probably has little to no respect of women.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I believe you meant "for" women, but goodnight to you too. Everybody knows you're a troll now.
Serb Avenger,
I don't have any problem with you, but now you went too far. How could you call her "pro-muslim"? You don't have right to call her "troll". I don't think everybody thinks that she is a troll. But if you want to hear my opinion about her then I'm telling you...I think she is one of the greatest person on the forum.
And how did it come that she is "pro-muslim"? She is one of the greatest anti-Islam woman who I have ever met in my life...she is really very far from being a "pro-muslim"...And I think she is a wonderful person!
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No loss here.
We have a filthy rich negro who goes around cheating on his money grubbing wife.
And we have a 20 year old whore who goes around sleeping with married filthy rich negros.
My only concern is who did crime stoppers send a check to?
This is getting confusing.
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No loss here.
We have a filthy rich negro who goes around cheating on his money grubbing wife.
And we have a 20 year old whore who goes around sleeping with married filthy rich negros.
My only concern is who did crime stoppers send a check to?
This is getting confusing.
If Serb Avenger is a real JTFer and a true gentleman he should APOLOGIZE from Ag337. Serb. She lost more her relatives in Islam terror attack, and you are just playing with words? Couldn't you understand how much painful is it?
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Ag337 and Serb Avenger, you're both great JTF'ers. So I hate to see the two of you fighting over a whoring black married football player and his adulterous, whoring girlfriend.
Ag337, I don't think Serb Avenger hates women. As a woman, I have no sympathy whatsoever with women who get involved with married men. Now you'll probably say to me, "Lisa, the man is just as guilty for cheating" and I agree. However, I'm going to get very politically incorrect here...men and women are NOT equal.
By nature, men are visual creatures. Without the civilizing influence of marriage and religion, they would sleep with as many women as they could get. It's just how they are.
Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman who vow before G-d to live together and create a family. It's not always a bed of roses, which is why the idea of woman going after a married man makes me so angry. To me, it's kind of like placing a beer before an alcoholic. Think of how it makes a wife feel. (I'm in no way excusing the man. But the fact is, women have more self control usually than men in this area.) So I will have to agree with Serb Avenger calling this 20 year old bimbo a filthy whore.
On the other hand, Ag337 is certainly NOT a troll or a Muslim sympathizer. So Serb Avenger, I think you owe her an apology.
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Ag337 and Serb Avenger, you are both great people. I certainly appreciate your efforts with JTF. It would be terrific if both of you are able to patch up any significant differences, either on the Forum or by a Private Message. G-d Bless both of you and your families.
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Show me where I said that McNair was a noble man or that his death was a great loss. The odds are that this adulterer was a black racist pig who generally speaking, did deserve death for the evil things in his life. That does not make what this jihadist Nazi whore did justifiable in any way. She was not executing justice on an evildoer--she was acting in a jealous Muslim Nazi shahidic rage. There is no difference between what this Arab Nazi demoness did and what Fakestinian suicide attackers on Tel Aviv buses do. The motive was the same--in an act of Arab rage, murder the infidel.
I obviously very, very strongly disagree with adultery. The one caveat I will throw in, just before we make a final judgment, is that we have no idea what McNair's marriage was like, or what kind of relationship he had with his wife. I have known quite a few sh___y marriages where a wandering eye just kind of, sort of happens--it's not a deliberate plan to be unfaithful. That doesn't excuse it in any way, of course; it's just a statement of fact in this world. But nothing that this guy did deserves him being murdered like a dog. I don't know for sure where he is at right now but thankfully this shahidist she-devil is now being stewed in a gigantic pot of molten topaz.
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he should not have cheated on his wife and his 4 KIDS! His mistress did a cowardly thing but it ALL could have been avoided if he just acted like a good husband.
Since he played 2 years in Baltimore there are many in my area who are making him out to be some hero. A true hero is loyal to his wife and kids.
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Serb Avenger,
You insulted Ag337 with very rude words. Could you imagine that how does she feel about her relatives? And you call her feminazi? Pro-muslim? I'm still waiting an apologize. No one hates the women here like you.
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he should not have cheated on his wife and his 4 KIDS! His mistress did a cowardly thing but it ALL could have been avoided if he just acted like a good husband.
Since he played 2 years in Baltimore there are many in my area who are making him out to be some hero. A true hero is loyal to his wife and kids.
Agreed.
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This is truly a disgusting situation in that McNair was cheating on his wife and possibly this muslim girl as well. Who knows how many women this dog was knocking up. His ex-teammate Eddie George made a good point that McNair had a lot of trouble adjusting to life without the NFL, but the tragic part is that instead of turning to G-d he turned to adultery other empty gratifications. Obviously shacking up with some crazy muslim girl who murders you and kills herself is an extreme case, but it shows when you turn to immortal things you open yourself up to more evils. Some might call it karma, I guess. This woman was obviously quite insane, although who knows how many other whores McNair was seeing on the side and his wife claims she had no idea he was being adulterous.
On another sad note, nobody is saying how this wasn't a very good person. He is being lauded like Michael Jackson now as a "good soul". What a world we live in where a woman like Sarah Palin is viciously attacked by the media as a she-devil while scum like Michael Jackson and Steve McNair have all their many sins forgiven simply because they entertained us. All the touchdowns in the world mean nothing if you can't be loyal to your wife and kids.
I've always been curious as to what drives men or women to adultery, especially when you already have a large beautiful family.
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gentile,
You are a 100% correct but, there are certain members here that are always willing to look past the man's poor actions and/or behavior in favor of bashing women.
The above poster is clearly a feminazi troll--and judging by her constant defense of openly perverse women such as Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox, I have to wonder about her orientation too.
SerbAvenger, you know that ag337 is not a feminazi or a troll. She is a good member of the JTF forum. You just don't see eye to eye on things.
Obviously, McNair played with fire. If you carry on with an unstable person, that's the chance you take. He destroyed two families because he was a selfish and heartless b@$tard.
The girl was selfish and heartless, true. I can blame that on immaturity, insecurity and being unstable (for lack of a better word). What was that animal's excuse. He was messing around with a young adult. He was an old fart. A married old fart with children. I don't feel sorry that he is dead at all. Maybe his family is better off too.
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb? That's what you have called a Jewish woman! You should have some more respect! I don't know your problem with women but it seems you made some bad experience with women. But this is no reason to insult others just because they are women!
A women is holy in Judaism! Shame on you.
Spread your hate against women somewhere else but please not on JTF!
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Why is she less evil than he is just because she is younger and female?
She was a typical Muslim shahid. He was a bad man also but he didn't commit murder. We don't even know how the affair started. Maybe she came on to him (not that that excuses it, but it does happen).
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb? That's what you have called a Jewish woman! You should have some more respect! I don't know your problem with women but it seems you made some bad experience with women. But this is no reason to insult others just because they are women!
A women is holy in Judaism! Shame on you.
Spread your hate against women somewhere else but please not on JTF!
Since when is it against JTF rules to attack Muslim Nazi women who commit murder?
Do you even know what you are talking about?
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb? That's what you have called a Jewish woman! You should have some more respect! I don't know your problem with women but it seems you made some bad experience with women. But this is no reason to insult others just because they are women!
A women is holy in Judaism! Shame on you.
Spread your hate against women somewhere else but please not on JTF!
Since when is it against JTF rules to attack Muslim Nazi women who commit murder?
Do you even know what you are talking about?
THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU INSULTED A WONDERFUL GIRL, YOU INSULTED ONE OF OUR GREATEST MEMBER!!! YOU MUST APOLOGIZE. YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT CALL HER FEMINAZI OR PRO-MUSLIM!!! YOU KNOW WELL THAT SHE IS NOT NAZI! AND IT WAS VERY COWARD THING FROM YOU!!!
NO ONE CAN INSULT HER!!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT!!! WHY DO YOU ATTACK HER? YOU ARE MORE GENTLEMAN WITH MUSLIMS ON THIS FORUM!!! I FULLY AGREE WITH GERMAN KAHANIST! IF YOU ARE A MAN THEN NOW YOU MUST APOLOGIZE! SHE DIDN'T HURT YOU! SHE HAD ENOUGH FROM YOUR ANTI-WOMEN POSTS, HOW MANY THREADS DID YOU MAKE ABOUT GAYS, PEDOPHILES, AND ABOUT "DEVIL-WHORES" THERE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.
AND THE BIGGEST INSULT THAT IS YOU CALL HER FEMINAZI AND PRO-MUSLIM, CAN YOU IMAGINE, HOW DOES SHE FEEL ABOUT IT? SHE LOST HER RELATIVES IN TERROR ATTACK!!! YOU CANNOT FEEL IT!!! IF I WERE YOU I WOULD BE ASHAMED!
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Tell you what; let's make a deal. I will apologize to AG if you can show me where I attacked her prior to this post:
It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb? That's what you have called a Jewish woman! You should have some more respect! I don't know your problem with women but it seems you made some bad experience with women. But this is no reason to insult others just because they are women!
A women is holy in Judaism! Shame on you.
Spread your hate against women somewhere else but please not on JTF!
Since when is it against JTF rules to attack Muslim Nazi women who commit murder?
Do you even know what you are talking about?
Did you read my post? I don't think so. Read the this part very carefully and think about it.
...it seems you made some bad experience with women.
JTF isn't the answer for this problem! A good doctor is the answer for your problem.
Since when is it against JTF rules to attack Muslim Nazi women who commit murder?
Muslim Nazi women? Ok... So you are a Muslim Nazi Serb with a Muslim Nazi family tree because you attacked a Jewish woman!
Isn't more than just an insult to call a Jew "Muslim Nazi". I don't know if you do it in Serbia this way to call Jews you don't like "Muslim Nazis". But I don't think so! I think the majority of Serbs aren't like you.
You should really think about my words and you should change or you will get even more enemies!
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Tell you what; let's make a deal. I will apologize to AG if you can show me where I attacked her prior to this post:
It never ends.
You always choose the most respectful words to refer to women; example as quoted above from you "devil-whore".
Of course, the simple fact that this man was married with children and was cheating on his wife with this woman, doesn't garner him any blame for his situation.
You are a real class act.
You still don't understand what we are talking about...
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Basically, an Arab woman killed a black football player who was cheating on his wife. I don't think we should be having a huge argument over that event.
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I can't believe that this garbage is still being debated. I am tired of threads that endlessly bash celebrity woman. If you don't like what they are doing just pay no attention to them. Each time I see a celebrity name in one of the threads here I have to go and look up the face and see who it is. Why do people pay so much attention to people like this if they don't care for how they live. Actors are actors they are a dime a dozen why memorize names and follow all their peccadillo's. S.A you most certainly owe AG337 an apology for calling her a troll since nothing can be further from the truth. I really think she is one of the sustaining members here on the forum
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb?
What's the difference if it's a Jewish or a Serbian forum? Insulting women for no reason should not be tolerated anywhere (I'm not saying that's what SerbAvenger does, I'm just stating an opinion). By the way, SerbAvenger is not actually a Serb.
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I am a football fan (or at least I used to be when I paid more attention to it). Steve Mcnair was a champion performer. And a real man's man on the field. He gave it his all and got knocked around out there. Outside of that how can any of us know what kind of person he is? He seemed like a nice guy.
All we know is that his close teammates over the years had good friendships with him and considered him a class act and thought he was a great guy. I happen to think Eddie George is a good person. So I'll take his word for it. So did Mcnair's wife. She also thought Steve Mcnair was a great guy. But he betrayed her. And it turned out they didn't know him as well as they thought. And the little muslim crazy he messed around with was completely off her rocker. Big mistake on his part. Sad. Let's move on.
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Why is she less evil than he is just because she is younger and female?
She was a typical Muslim shahid. He was a bad man also but he didn't commit murder. We don't even know how the affair started. Maybe she came on to him (not that that excuses it, but it does happen).
I don't think she was less evil because she was female.
I just think if he was such a great guy. A class act. :::D He wouldn't have put himself, and in turn his family, at risk. Did he need to bring a sexually transmitted disease home to the Mother of his children? How many women was this class act involved with? What if 'crazy Mary' there would have gone and shot them instead.
You must lay the blame at his feet. He thought he could get away with 'murder'. Instead he was murdered. Oh well. No great loss.
Class Act :::D His wife thought he was? I wonder what she is thinking now.
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Serb Avenger
your answers were hideous and repulsive toward women! You are on a Jewish forum! Not on a Serb one! Would you like it if I would call you Pro Muslim Serb or Nazi Serb?
What's the difference if it's a Jewish or a Serbian forum? Insulting women for no reason should not be tolerated anywhere (I'm not saying that's what SerbAvenger does, I'm just stating an opinion). By the way, SerbAvenger is not actually a Serb.
That has nothing to do with Serbs at all. I am just laughing about SerbAvenger because he isn't even a Serb. Using a nationality to insult women. It's like Islam and a Muslim.
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A class act. :::D He wouldn't have put himself, and in turn his family, at risk.
That was the point of what I was saying. They THOUGHT he was...
Class Act :::D His wife thought he was? I wonder what she is thinking now.
That was exactly the point of what I was saying. The wife thought he was a good husband. For every wife that gets cheated on, if it's a somewhat normal marriage, that's what every wife thinks until they are betrayed. Same thing for husbands that get cheated on. Until they find out they think everythings great.
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Listen, I understand infidelity because I have encountered it first hand. My ex-wife cheated on me while she was constantly accusing me of the very infidelity she was guilty of. And yet I have found it in my heart and in my soul to forgive her. She has repented to me for the things she did which hurt me and I have forgiven her.
I realize that this is not the best relationship there is, but that we have made what we have better from our experience. There are many reasons for infidelity and I can admit that our previous relationship was full of misunderstanding. Now that Judaism has moved to the forefront of my life and I have shown my partner the beauty of the Jewish home and the concept of Shalom Bayit, we have been moving forward at an accelerated pace...
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A class act. :::D He wouldn't have put himself, and in turn his family, at risk.
That was the point of what I was saying. They THOUGHT he was...
Class Act :::D His wife thought he was? I wonder what she is thinking now.
That was exactly the point of what I was saying. The wife thought he was a good husband. For every wife that gets cheated on, if it's a somewhat normal marriage, that's what every wife thinks until they are betrayed. Same thing for husbands that get cheated on. Until they find out they think everythings great.
Sorry if I misunderstood the point of your post. ;D
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She put him out like he was a sick pet. Disgusting whore. Anyway I couldn't care less about this story.
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Ag337,
You aren't a troll, and I certainly responded to you too quickly and angrily, but you attacked me for absolutely no reason in the world. You certainly APPEARED to be defending this female Islamic murderer. That is why I called you pro-Muslim. Based on this one particular instance, the shoe fit. I don't know you and don't know what your other positions are, so I will refrain from further comment, but that one singular comment of yours looked pro-Muslim.
I also was very upset that you have sent me PMs in the past taking a friendly attitude towards me (I have them, still) and then now, without warning, not only turned on me, but created a faction or "camp" on the forum. This is the kind of thing that Tina Greco did, and I am very wary of this kind of behavior after what happened here a year ago. Your attitude and behavior are still not something I can explain.
Granted--I get your point now. You felt like I was only picking on the woman. Even though I wasn't (as I think I made clear in my OP), even if I did exclusively blame her and defended McNair, it would not justify your response to me in the least. You are entitled to my opinions as much as I am, but I do think it takes a considerable stretch of imagination to apply my views on one particular female Arab Muslim murderess to womankind in general. Moreover, I could take your logic in turn to make the case that you are misanthropic. I also wonder why you are bothered by my attacks on Muslim Nazi or Muslim Nazi-sympathizing evil women, but are silent when people make outright racist statements in the very same thread here (i.e. "this nighera got what he deserved").
For the record, and for the last time, I do not think McNair was a good man, but there is a whole world of difference between committing adultery and committing murder. I don't know if the guy was a wanton "player" or he had a crappy marriage or what, but nothing puts cheating on a par with homicide, period. If he deserved death, G-d should have judged him. Nobody deserves to be the victim of a Muslim Nazi shahid.
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Mcnair was an evil shvartze beast who was cheating on his wife and that led to his murder. But lets be real, his wife was an evil shvartze beast too. I have to agree with serb avenger here that this muzzie whore was indeed trying to go after him for his dough and in principle committed murder. I say that because if Mcnair supported Islam, then I couldn't give a damn if he was murdered. In principle, a person who commits this type of affair shouldn't be murdered if they just made a mistake but if mcnair was indeed a muzzie supporting beast then who cares.
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Ag337,
You aren't a troll, and I certainly responded to you too quickly and angrily, but you attacked me for absolutely no reason in the world. You certainly APPEARED to be defending this female Islamic murderer. That is why I called you pro-Muslim. Based on this one particular instance, the shoe fit. I don't know you and don't know what your other positions are, so I will refrain from further comment, but that one singular comment of yours looked pro-Muslim.
I also was very upset that you have sent me PMs in the past taking a friendly attitude towards me (I have them, still) and then now, without warning, not only turned on me, but created a faction or "camp" on the forum. This is the kind of thing that Tina Greco did, and I am very wary of this kind of behavior after what happened here a year ago. Your attitude and behavior are still not something I can explain.
Granted--I get your point now. You felt like I was only picking on the woman. Even though I wasn't (as I think I made clear in my OP), even if I did exclusively blame her and defended McNair, it would not justify your response to me in the least. You are entitled to my opinions as much as I am, but I do think it takes a considerable stretch of imagination to apply my views on one particular female Arab Muslim murderess to womankind in general. Moreover, I could take your logic in turn to make the case that you are misanthropic. I also wonder why you are bothered by my attacks on Muslim Nazi or Muslim Nazi-sympathizing evil women, but are silent when people make outright racist statements in the very same thread here (i.e. "this nighera got what he deserved").
For the record, and for the last time, I do not think McNair was a good man, but there is a whole world of difference between committing adultery and committing murder. I don't know if the guy was a wanton "player" or he had a crappy marriage or what, but nothing puts cheating on a par with homicide, period. If he deserved death, G-d should have judged him. Nobody deserves to be the victim of a Muslim Nazi shahid.
You also had many anti-women posts before. By the way I don't see your apologize. You were insulting Ag337 with her feelings and it is disgusting. So you must apologize now! She lost her relatives, but you don't respect her feelings. And she didn't protect that muslim woman. No one has problem with Ag337. Only you have...
But I'm going to help you, here is an example about apologize.
"Dear Ag337,
I'm really sorry that I called you troll, I know you are not. I just was very upset, because I felt you were protecting that muslim though my reaction was not right. I imagine how you feel about your relatives. I would never never hurt you. I would never give you pain. I'm ashamed. I will respect you, you are a great girl. Please forgive for my mistake.
And the best wishes,
Serb Avenger"
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sorry both the girl and Mcnair deserved their end...a cheating husband and an accomplice to him cheating..both equally evil..both equally got what was coming.
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Although both used very poor judgement in this case, two lives have now been destroyed and their families are suffering the pain of that loss. So I do have compassion for them in that respect.
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sorry both the girl and Mcnair deserved their end...a cheating husband and an accomplice to him cheating..both equally evil..both equally got what was coming.
I don't see where cheating is an equal crime to homicide, especially an Islamic shahidic homicide.
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Mcnair was an evil shvartze beast who was cheating on his wife and that led to his murder. But lets be real, his wife was an evil shvartze beast too. I have to agree with serb avenger here that this muzzie whore was indeed trying to go after him for his dough and in principle committed murder. I say that because if Mcnair supported Islam, then I couldn't give a damn if he was murdered. In principle, a person who commits this type of affair shouldn't be murdered if they just made a mistake but if mcnair was indeed a muzzie supporting beast then who cares.
I don't necessarily think McNair was a Muslim sympathizer--just a dumb schvartze who thought with his pecker and fell for a smoothtalking trampola. At least that's what I got out of the story. He wasn't a good guy or innocent victim by any stretch, but he didn't deserve to be murdered in his sleep by this Muslim Nazi shahid whore, and it's incredible that people here are defending her.
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Why is she less evil than he is just because she is younger and female?
She was a typical Muslim shahid. He was a bad man also but he didn't commit murder. We don't even know how the affair started. Maybe she came on to him (not that that excuses it, but it does happen).
yea, right. She did it to be a "shahid", and not because she was angry that someone was cheating on her, because, you know, that never, ever happens.
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Well, besides the fact that she was a Muslim, and killed herself in the process of murdering a non-Muslim, gee whiz, there's no reason to call her a shahid at all. Do you even know what the definition of shahid is?
I do find it kind of amusing though that an adulteress would be upset at being "cheated" on (not that we have any way of knowing if that was actually the motive).
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Why is she less evil than he is just because she is younger and female?
She was a typical Muslim shahid. He was a bad man also but he didn't commit murder. We don't even know how the affair started. Maybe she came on to him (not that that excuses it, but it does happen).
yea, right. She did it to be a "shahid", and not because she was angry that someone was cheating on her, because, you know, that never, ever happens.
McNair was already married with kids. So he was already cheating on her. This whole story is ridiculous. She hoped he would leave her wife and live with her instead but she suspected he was having another affair with another woman. If this is true, then can you imagine how mentally deranged this woman was? She clearly wasn't mentally sane. The fact that she killed him because of it proves her state of insanity. Of course, the fact that she may be a muslim probably has nothing to do with this murder in this case.
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Well, besides the fact that she was a Muslim, and killed herself in the process of murdering a non-Muslim, gee whiz, there's no reason to call her a shahid at all. Do you even know what the definition of shahid is?
I do find it kind of amusing though that an adulteress would be upset at being "cheated" on (not that we have any way of knowing if that was actually the motive).
any proof to back up this fact? hint: you thinking or assuming she is doesn't make it fact.
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OK, there is a 3% chance she was a Maronite or Orthodox Arab, you know, one of those people who dedicates services to Sheik Nasrallah and paints their hair green and yellow. Satisfied?
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Mcnair was an evil shvartze beast who was cheating on his wife and that led to his murder. But lets be real, his wife was an evil shvartze beast too. I have to agree with serb avenger here that this muzzie whore was indeed trying to go after him for his dough and in principle committed murder. I say that because if Mcnair supported Islam, then I couldn't give a damn if he was murdered. In principle, a person who commits this type of affair shouldn't be murdered if they just made a mistake but if mcnair was indeed a muzzie supporting beast then who cares.
I don't necessarily think McNair was a Muslim sympathizer--just a dumb schvartze who thought with his pecker and fell for a smoothtalking trampola. At least that's what I got out of the story. He wasn't a good guy or innocent victim by any stretch, but he didn't deserve to be murdered in his sleep by this Muslim Nazi shahid whore, and it's incredible that people here are defending her.
It is not a matter of defending her.
If you play with fire you're going to get burned. Some times burned to DEATH.
:nono:
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Mcnair was an evil shvartze beast who was cheating on his wife and that led to his murder. But lets be real, his wife was an evil shvartze beast too. I have to agree with serb avenger here that this muzzie whore was indeed trying to go after him for his dough and in principle committed murder. I say that because if Mcnair supported Islam, then I couldn't give a damn if he was murdered. In principle, a person who commits this type of affair shouldn't be murdered if they just made a mistake but if mcnair was indeed a muzzie supporting beast then who cares.
I don't necessarily think McNair was a Muslim sympathizer--just a dumb schvartze who thought with his pecker and fell for a smoothtalking trampola. At least that's what I got out of the story. He wasn't a good guy or innocent victim by any stretch, but he didn't deserve to be murdered in his sleep by this Muslim Nazi shahid whore, and it's incredible that people here are defending her.
It is not a matter of defending her.
If you play with fire you're going to get burned. Some times burned to DEATH.
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The muzzy let him off the hook way to easy...He never saw it coming...As I said in an earlier post she should aimed lower for starters and worked up... And yes... The carousing niggeraa got just what he had coming.... Like someone I knew use to say " You play with the bull you get the horns " v.finizio (r.i.p)
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sorry both the girl and Mcnair deserved their end...a cheating husband and an accomplice to him cheating..both equally evil..both equally got what was coming.
I don't see where cheating is an equal crime to homicide, especially an Islamic shahidic homicide.
They aren't equal crimes..true...but both are evil and both would spread evil in this world if still alive today..so good riddance for both...
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I read on the comments of another blog that this McNair guy would routinely have sex with prostitutes. The man just wouldn't control himself.
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I read on the comments of another blog that this McNair guy would routinely have sex with prostitutes. The man just wouldn't control himself.
Fine, it's well-established he was a pig. That doesn't justify murder.
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I read on the comments of another blog that this McNair guy would routinely have sex with prostitutes. The man just wouldn't control himself.
Lisa, that sounds like a typical American shvartza. I am sure we would be hard pressed to find a young black male who doesn't do that. Anyhow Mcnair is a piece of drek and I agree with Serb Avenger than this 20 year old kurva was indeed a shahid. Its true that she happened to murder an evil shvartza who deserved to go to gehenom but I am sure she had allah in mind and the shihadah when she killed him. In any event, whether or not this shvartza deserved it, it's no loss for the world now that he is gone.
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Agree...
I can always count on you two guys (Serb Avenger + DWI) to put it in perspective... Thanks!
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Thanks Dan
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Let's put it this way, he was a typical black pig, but she was a Muslim shahid. I think the latter is worse. No, he was not a great loss for humanity, but a Muslim Nazi murderer is a Muslim Nazi murderer.
One comment that I will throw out is that I doubt that Mrs. McNair is 100% innocent either. I don't know the woman but it's incredibly naive to assume that she was a completely innocent victim of an affair and a totally good wife.
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I agree completely with Serb Avenger.
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Money and fame probably bought the wife's silence. She does have four boys to consider though. Maybe she was sticking it out for them. I don't think that the girlfriend was thinking a thing about allah or her religion. She was controlled by the green eyed monster, who didn't want to loose the money or the 'fame'. :crazy: Who should really care though. Two less animals walking the streets.
Do you really think it's racist to call it as you see it ? I don't. This wasn't a human being that was killed here. This was an animal, pure and simple. Over and over again we see the same theme. Fame and fortune can't cover up what a person is at their core. That goes for whte trash too.
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OK, there is a 3% chance she was a Maronite or Orthodox Arab, you know, one of those people who dedicates services to Sheik Nasrallah and paints their hair green and yellow. Satisfied?
Arab? You do realize that the name Kazemi is as Persian as a koobideh kebob.
She was PErsian, and Ba'Hai!!!!!
From now on, it would be best to stop accusing people with dark skin of being "Shahidic" Muslims simply because they are of Iranian descent.
You as "Satisfied?" as if someone is so wrong for challenging your un-supported view. In the end, instead of being so indignant, you could say "MY mistake, I guess I shouldn't have assumed she was a Muslim".
What you are doing is unjustified and wrong. It's like a guy reading a newspaper, sees a murderer who's name is somewhat Jewish, and then says "that damn Jew, I don't need to check if he's JEwish or not, I can just tell that he had a zealots rage and murdered a gooc Christian for no reason.
Islam is indeed evil, but the blanket accusations coming from some of the members of this forum shows that their hate for Islam clouds their judgment of human nature. The fact that any of you though that this had to do with Islam, instead of a disgusting jealous whore, shows that you mould the world to fit your opinions, instead of the other way around.
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I mean come on? Who more evil, someone who murders 10 righteous people or someone who murdered 100 righteous people?
Both McNair and the slut were evil...both deserved their end...there is no debate on who was worse...both were terrible...thank goodness they aren't amongst us anymore. Let what happened to McNair be a lesson to men who are tempted to cheat on their wives and their families. And let any gold digging girl who will enable this cheating realize that the man they are cheating with will probably cheat on her too..
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Immoral? Yes, absolutely. An animal? I don't think we quite know enough to say that. He was clearly not a great specimen of humanity but we don't know for sure what led to his sexual addiction either. Maybe his wife was an absolute piece of garbage who withheld sex from him or perhaps was even cheating on him. Even if his wife was an absolute doll who provided him with everything he needed, that would not justify this murder. Perhaps he did warrant a terrible judgment from G-d, but that does not give Islamic "martyrs" the moral grounds to commit jihad.
Bullcat, if you do not think this killing had anything to do with Islam, why is it that she committed suicide in the process of murdering an infidel like a shahid? It is possible that she was not a very observant Muslim, but in the end she did exactly what good Koranimals do.
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Immoral? Yes, absolutely. An animal? I don't think we quite know enough to say that. He was clearly not a great specimen of humanity but we don't know for sure what led to his sexual addiction either. Maybe his wife was an absolute piece of garbage who withheld sex from him or perhaps was even cheating on him. Even if his wife was an absolute doll who provided him with everything he needed, that would not justify this murder. Perhaps he did warrant a terrible judgment from G-d, but that does not give Islamic "martyrs" the moral grounds to commit jihad.
Bullcat, if you do not think this killing had anything to do with Islam, why is it that she committed suicide in the process of murdering an infidel like a shahid? It is possible that she was not a very observant Muslim, but in the end she did exactly what good Koranimals do.
Did you read my post. She was Ba'Hai! Please stop spreading misinformation.
With that being said, it can be deduced that Bullcat is correct in saying it had nothing to do with Islam, and you are very incorrect in your assumption.
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Arab? You do realize that the name Kazemi is as Persian as a koobideh kebob.
Big deal, she was Iranian, not Arab.
She was PErsian, and Ba'Hai!!!!!
Now tell me, where in the world did you hear of her religion? Link, please.
From now on, it would be best to stop accusing people with dark skin of being "Shahidic" Muslims simply because they are of Iranian descent.
You as "Satisfied?" as if someone is so wrong for challenging your un-supported view. In the end, instead of being so indignant, you could say "MY mistake, I guess I shouldn't have assumed she was a Muslim".
What you are doing is unjustified and wrong. It's like a guy reading a newspaper, sees a murderer who's name is somewhat Jewish, and then says "that damn Jew, I don't need to check if he's JEwish or not, I can just tell that he had a zealots rage and murdered a gooc Christian for no reason.
Islam is indeed evil, but the blanket accusations coming from some of the members of this forum shows that their hate for Islam clouds their judgment of human nature. The fact that any of you though that this had to do with Islam, instead of a disgusting jealous whore, shows that you mould the world to fit your opinions, instead of the other way around.
This has to be one of the silliest and most rambling retorts I've ever read. Are you a Muslim? Why do you defend Islam so much? What is your stake in this argument?
Edit: Yes I read your post, and it makes no sense. I asked you to provide a link that she is Bahai, but even if she was, the majority of Middle Eastern religious minorities are still anti-Israel and pro-Islam.
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Arab? You do realize that the name Kazemi is as Persian as a koobideh kebob.
Big deal, she was Iranian, not Arab.
She was PErsian, and Ba'Hai!!!!!
Now tell me, where in the world did you hear of her religion? Link, please.
From now on, it would be best to stop accusing people with dark skin of being "Shahidic" Muslims simply because they are of Iranian descent.
You as "Satisfied?" as if someone is so wrong for challenging your un-supported view. In the end, instead of being so indignant, you could say "MY mistake, I guess I shouldn't have assumed she was a Muslim".
What you are doing is unjustified and wrong. It's like a guy reading a newspaper, sees a murderer who's name is somewhat Jewish, and then says "that damn Jew, I don't need to check if he's JEwish or not, I can just tell that he had a zealots rage and murdered a gooc Christian for no reason.
Islam is indeed evil, but the blanket accusations coming from some of the members of this forum shows that their hate for Islam clouds their judgment of human nature. The fact that any of you though that this had to do with Islam, instead of a disgusting jealous whore, shows that you mould the world to fit your opinions, instead of the other way around.
This has to be one of the silliest and most rambling retorts I've ever read. Are you a Muslim? Why do you defend Islam so much? What is your stake in this argument?
Edit: Yes I read your post, and it makes no sense. I asked you to provide a link that she is Bahai, but even if she was, the majority of Middle Eastern religious minorities are still anti-Israel and pro-Islam.
Funny, you refuse to give a link when asked for one, and now you demand I give you one. Thankfully, I am not someone who makes things up and only will say something when I know it is true.
So I ask, why are you allowed to refuse to give a link , but anyone else needs to give a link.
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20090706/UPDATES01/90705016/Slain+woman+s+family+paints+portrait+of+relationship+with+McNair+
How am I defending Islam when I already stated it is evil? Why do you throw around accusations like nothing.
So now that I have given you proof, my guess is that you still will not admit that you were mistaken.
As I said earlier, the fact that she is not Muslim most definitely measn you were wrong when you said she killed an infidel with the attitude of a shahid.
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Yochai, where in the article does it say she was a Bahai? I just read it, and there was no mention of any religion.
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Yochai, where in the article does it say she was a Bahai? I just read it, and there was no mention of any religion.
"She was a nice, pretty girl, who acted like any other 19 or 20-year-old," Howard said.
Kazemi and her family moved to the U.S. in 2002, fleeing Iran to Turkey before settling in Florida. As members of the Bahai Faith, they were in danger in Iran. They quickly got acclimated. Kazemi worked hard and like earning her own money, the family said."
At the end of the story.
If I acted like other members, I would attack you now simply for challenging me.
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OK, so if you think Islam is so evil, why were you bothered that I "impugned" Islam by assuming that our murderer here was Islamic? She certainly ACTED Islamic, and I can guarantee you that neither her nor her family members are great friends of Israel.
BTW I would be a little skeptical of this whole entire story if I were you--it doesn't seem to be very impartial for many reasons. First of all, why does it describe her as a "slain" woman when SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE? Second of all, coming from the family it's of course going to be a lying propaganda piece in defense of this "martyr".
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"She was a nice, pretty girl, who acted like any other 19 or 20-year-old," Howard said.
Kazemi and her family moved to the U.S. in 2002, fleeing Iran to Turkey before settling in Florida. As members of the Bahai Faith, they were in danger in Iran. They quickly got acclimated. Kazemi worked hard and like earning her own money, the family said."
At the end of the story.
If I acted like other members, I would attack you now simply for challenging me.
Yes, I can read, you know. You still have not said what your point is however.
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Oops! I stand corrected. I read the article very quickly.
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"She was a nice, pretty girl, who acted like any other 19 or 20-year-old," Howard said.
Kazemi and her family moved to the U.S. in 2002, fleeing Iran to Turkey before settling in Florida. As members of the Bahai Faith, they were in danger in Iran. They quickly got acclimated. Kazemi worked hard and like earning her own money, the family said."
At the end of the story.
If I acted like other members, I would attack you now simply for challenging me.
Yes, I can read, you know. You still have not said what your point is however.
I think you are fully aware of what my point is. MY point is that she is not Muslim, and that you are wrong in thinking so, and even worse, because you write so confidently, this results in misinformation being spread, and a whole forum of people with the wrong facts.
As I predicted, once given the facts, you still will not admit that you were mistaken.
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Oops! I stand corrected. I read the article very quickly.
No problem, it's at the very end so I understand how you missed it.
I applaud you on your humility though. If only it could rub off on others.
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What is there to admit? Your story showed that she is Bahai, so what. I can't see why you would be so very offended by people assuming she is Muslim though unless you feel Islam is getting unfairly picked-on.
I also notice you said nothing when I pointed out that non-Muslim minorities that live around Islam (even if they are persecuted) generally have had some of it rub off on them and are anti-Israel.
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What is there to admit? Your story showed that she is Bahai, so what. I can't see why you would be so very offended by people assuming she is Muslim though unless you feel Islam is getting unfairly picked-on.
I also notice you said nothing when I pointed out that non-Muslim minorities that live around Islam (even if they are persecuted) generally have had some of it rub off on them and are anti-Israel.
I didn't say anything because it was an irrelevant point related to you trying to save face. I never said I was offended, I said you were wrong. And I ask you, on the question of her religion, were you not wrong? That is all I stated, and I gave the reasons above.
I am against it, because I am against any form of dishonesty or minsinformation. Unless you want the whol JTF forum to walk around spouting misinformation, it would be best to keep only true facts on this forum, not rumor and innuendo.
As for non-Muslim minorities in that part of the world, I don't have to address your comment because it is a given that regardless of religion, most people in the MidEast do not like Jews. Regardless, this is nto what you were speaking of. You were referring to infidels and shahid, and only Muslims believe that.
You also told bullcat he was wrong for saying that Islam has nothing to do with it, but looking at the facts, it seems that he is correct.
Lastly, the Bahai community is the only one who refuses to proselytize in Israel, which shows they have more respect for JEws than many other religions who go to ISrael converting Jews.
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You were referring to infidels and shahid, and only Muslims believe that.
You honestly don't think that being surrounded by Muslim Nazis for some 1400 years caused this family to absorb some of it?
You also told bullcat he was wrong for saying that Islam has nothing to do with it, but looking at the facts, it seems that he is correct.
Bullcat is a woman; have you not paid attention to the forum much?
Lastly, the Bahai community is the only one who refuses to proselytize in Israel, which shows they have more respect for JEws than many other religions who go to ISrael converting Jews.
Are you trying to create a rift between JTF members with that last comment? It sure looks like you are.
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Serb Avenger, I think she was crazy. A flat out fruit loop. :crazy:
I don't think we should start blaming his wife for his infidelity.
In reality, if he was going to cheat on his marriage, he should have been more selective. Famous man with money. ??? I'm sure he could have been very choosy. Look at Imus and Larry King. Half deads with attractive and stable women on their arms. Prostitutes and 20 year olds. That's crazy.
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Serb Avenger, Thank You for pointing out that I'm a woman. ;D I know the name throws most people. My daughter was little when she came up with that one.
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Serb Avenger, I think she was crazy. A flat out fruit loop. :crazy:
I don't think we should start blaming his wife for his infidelity.
What I mean is that wives are capable of having just as many wrong motives in a marriage as husbands. There are sheer and rank golddiggers, women who wish to "marry up" for social status, women who are looking to be taken care of so they never have to work an outside-the-home job again, etc. Even outside of that, there are plenty of marriages that are full of nasty bickering and fighting. It is very common for wives to use sex as a weapon against their husbands during disputes (and no, that is not a sexist comment, because the reverse almost never happens), and even when that is not the case, it is common even in good marriages (in fact, it is pretty much the norm) for a woman's libido to severely drop off after a few years. (I know that that is because the female SD tends to be much more vulnerable to outside stress and influences than the male, but still, it is undisputably factual.) Most husbands have a hard time coping with that (although I would never assume that most of them resort to adultery, or that it is justifiable when they do).
In reality, if he was going to cheat on his marriage, he should have been more selective. Famous man with money. ??? I'm sure he could have been very choosy. Look at Imus and Larry King. Half deads with attractive and stable women on their arms. Prostitutes and 20 year olds. That's crazy.
The intellect, judgment, or rationality of the guy was never subject to debate here.
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Serb Avenger, I think she was crazy. A flat out fruit loop. :crazy:
I don't think we should start blaming his wife for his infidelity.
What I mean is that wives are capable of having just as many wrong motives in a marriage as husbands. There are sheer and rank golddiggers, women who wish to "marry up" for social status, women who are looking to be taken care of so they never have to work an outside-the-home job again, etc. Even outside of that, there are plenty of marriages that are full of nasty bickering and fighting. It is very common for wives to use sex as a weapon against their husbands during disputes (and no, that is not a sexist comment, because the reverse almost never happens), and even when that is not the case, it is common even in good marriages (in fact, it is pretty much the norm) for a woman's libido to severely drop off after a few years. (I know that that is because the female SD tends to be much more vulnerable to outside stress and influences than the male, but still, it is undisputably factual.) Most husbands have a hard time coping with that (although I would never assume that most of them resort to adultery, or that it is justifiable when they do).
In reality, if he was going to cheat on his marriage, he should have been more selective. Famous man with money. ??? I'm sure he could have been very choosy. Look at Imus and Larry King. Half deads with attractive and stable women on their arms. Prostitutes and 20 year olds. That's crazy.
The intellect, judgment, or rationality of the guy was never subject to debate here.
try getting married first before you make a conclusion about a wife's libido after several years of marraige. You can't generalize that statement nor prove it if you haven't done it yet.
On that note, who's to say that it is the wife's lowering libido and the husband's incapability to pleasure his wife appropriately? It's not a one sided issue.
On another point, yes, I do agree, some women marry a man just for his wallet...any marraige like that will be doomed..but marriage is a contract. Once it's signed, no cheating allowed...in Judaism, the man should provide his wife food, clothing, and sex...and in order for him to get the last thing he has to be as loving and romantic as he can be for her to give it to him.
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Of course they aren't hard-and-fast rules, but they are very consistent trends. The male and female sex drives are entirely different in their nature and biochemical basis. A man can be half-dead, or coming home from a 16-hour day in the coal mines, and still be "in the mood", whereas the stress and labor of taking care of children or working a regular job (or, even more so, both) generally completely knock the wind out of a wife's sails.
No, it doesn't happen this way each and every single time (never said it did), but exceptions to the above are remarkably uncommon.
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On that note, who's to say that it is the wife's lowering libido and the husband's incapability to pleasure his wife appropriately? It's not a one sided issue.
This is a perfectly fair comment (and actually, a whole other issue that is rather outside the realm of JTF) but the libido of husband and wife are rarely matched to begin with, particularly after a few years of marriage when kids and established careers arrive.