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Title: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on May 26, 2010, 03:51:39 PM
What do you think should be done with trolls or Nazis (like Skkie) /Communists (like the Lefties in the Hebrew forum) /dumba$$es (like Ben)?

They spread their unwanted ideology in the forum, slash and split JTFers with other JTFers and ruin the unique Unity the Jewish Task Force posseses - people with different views can still work out the differences for a common goal. I don't think we need scum like Skkie, Ben Mizrahi and others on our forum.

I know Chaim's position on this but I want to hear the member's opinion on this.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 26, 2010, 04:01:56 PM
I don't know enough about anyone in Particular to make this claim, but I think it's an essential questionto ask, so I'm with you on this one 100 %
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: AsheDina on May 26, 2010, 04:17:41 PM
NOTHING.
They are not trolls, Chaim said to debate without calling people names.
We have been banning everyone for almost 2 years, and because of that, we have a BORING forum.

Chaim said that nobody is supposed to be banned unless it is TERRIBLE, and they have done nothing 'terrible.'
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 26, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
In cases of obese stupidity and inproductivity, I say ban them.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: TruthSpreader on May 26, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
Unless they provide a useful argument, they should be banned.

Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Rubystars on May 26, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
We're never going to be able to grow into anything but a social group unless we let in people who disagree to make their case and we can make ours.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: AsheDina on May 26, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
I agree Ruby.

I still say that this has become a TOTALLY BORING forum, we ban EVERYONE. Its stupid.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Fighting For Truth on May 26, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Chaim did say that he doesn't want to do any banning anymore unless it is actually serious. He might ban people who post pictures or anything that will disgust, shock and bother people in a twisted evil way for example, but when it comes to people who do not agree with each other here then he won't do that.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lisa on May 26, 2010, 06:15:56 PM
Disagreeing is one thing.  Saying we have to take into account the feelings of neo-Nazis because they're human beings is a completely different story. 
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on May 26, 2010, 06:17:10 PM
Disagreeing is one thing.  Saying we have to take into account the feelings of neo-Nazis because they're human beings is a completely different story. 

That is being Nazi
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 26, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Ron,

How is what Lisa said "being Nazi?"  You should not be so flip in addressing Lisa who does a GREAT deal to keep this forum harmonious and decent
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: muman613 on May 26, 2010, 07:30:34 PM
Ron,

How is what Lisa said "being Nazi?"  You should not be so flip in addressing Lisa who does a GREAT deal to keep this forum harmonious and decent

JTFEnthusiast,

I read his statement as a comment that to consider Nazis human beings is to be a Nazi...

Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on May 26, 2010, 07:31:03 PM
Ron,

How is what Lisa said "being Nazi?"  You should not be so flip in addressing Lisa who does a GREAT deal to keep this forum harmonious and decent

I was talking about

Quote
Saying we have to take into account the feelings of neo-Nazis because they're human beings

Not about Lisa ???
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 26, 2010, 07:31:30 PM
Ron,

How is what Lisa said "being Nazi?"  You should not be so flip in addressing Lisa who does a GREAT deal to keep this forum harmonious and decent

JTFEnthusiast,

I read his statement as a comment that to consider Nazis human beings is to be a Nazi...




Sorry then, my apologies, my mistake.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 26, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
If there is a poster intending on a dishonest debate, get rid of him. No nazis allowed. That's the first thing.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 27, 2010, 04:18:46 AM
Ban the queers.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Zelhar on May 27, 2010, 04:28:21 AM
I think Dan Ben Noah has a good idea with the dishonorable member rank.

Trolling of all kinds should be banned because it is a disruption to anyone who genuinely seeks intelligent discussion.

Otherwise I'd let anyone in as long as he is not deliberately trying to disrupt, incite, or post obscenities- be they porn pics or expressions of sympathy to Hitler.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Zelhar on May 27, 2010, 04:38:26 AM
I just want to add that there are certain types of posts that we must not tolerate here even if the poster is not exactly a troll by definition nor an avowed nazi- the type "Ben M" has been able to repeatedly produce. I think it can potentially harm the movement if we allow a member to repeatedly express sympathy and compassion to Nazism, and categorical racism.

Can you imagine how our enemies can make us look if they make a hit job article against us (which is a very real possibility in Israel) ? They could make us look like a Jewish KKlan.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 27, 2010, 05:00:52 AM
I just want to add that there are certain types of posts that we must not tolerate here even if the poster is not exactly a troll by definition nor an avowed nazi- the type "Ben M" has been able to repeatedly produce. I think it can potentially harm the movement if we allow a member to repeatedly express sympathy and compassion to Nazism, and categorical racism.

Can you imagine how our enemies can make us look if they make a hit job article against us (which is a very real possibility in Israel) ? They could make us look like a Jewish KKlan.
This is exactly what Pedofront already claims about Jews in general, even such laughable "movements" as AIPAC and the GayDL. They say Jews are "racial" (lol) or tribal supremacists who view themselves as a master race and the goyim (and "whites" in particular) as subhumans. Isn't it interesting how every single attribute that Nazi or Muslim stereotypes put on Jews are only true of the Nazis themselves?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: nessuno on May 27, 2010, 05:14:24 AM
I agree Ruby.

I still say that this has become a TOTALLY BORING forum, we ban EVERYONE. Its stupid.
I agree. 
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Zelhar on May 27, 2010, 05:29:05 AM
I just want to add that there are certain types of posts that we must not tolerate here even if the poster is not exactly a troll by definition nor an avowed nazi- the type "Ben M" has been able to repeatedly produce. I think it can potentially harm the movement if we allow a member to repeatedly express sympathy and compassion to Nazism, and categorical racism.

Can you imagine how our enemies can make us look if they make a hit job article against us (which is a very real possibility in Israel) ? They could make us look like a Jewish KKlan.
This is exactly what Pedofront already claims about Jews in general, even such laughable "movements" as AIPAC and the GayDL. They say Jews are "racial" (lol) or tribal supremacists who view themselves as a master race and the goyim (and "whites" in particular) as subhumans. Isn't it interesting how every single attribute that Nazi or Muslim stereotypes put on Jews are only true of the Nazis themselves?
I was aiming more to the experience we had in Israel. As you may know Roni Hanazi posted insane Nazi material at chazit's forum. Haaretz used his posts to make a hit job against Kahinsts in general and specifically against Hayamin (even though Chaim had done everything possible to extinguish the Nazi posts).

Now granted that Ben M's posts are not as extreme and as Roni's, but they still provide, IMO, a enough material to be used against us. I think the forum administration should at least, formally disassociate itself from his views.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 27, 2010, 06:49:26 AM
I think he should just be banned.
This idiot does only harm.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: mord on May 27, 2010, 06:51:18 AM
I say we keep them but for certain cases we develop the "Dishonorable Member" rank, which would only have access to one board known as the "Time Out Corner".  All members would have access to the Time Out Corner, but Dishonorable Members could only post there and not on other boards.  The symbol indicating the Dishonorable Member could be a Star & Fist with the fist giving the thumbs down.
I like that idea
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Ben m on May 27, 2010, 08:35:19 AM
What do you think should be done with trolls or Nazis (like Skkie) /Communists (like the Lefties in the Hebrew forum) /dumba$$es (like Ben)?

They spread their unwanted ideology in the forum, slash and split JTFers with other JTFers and ruin the unique Unity the Jewish Task Force posseses - people with different views can still work out the differences for a common goal. I don't think we need scum like Skkie, Ben Mizrahi and others on our forum.

I know Chaim's position on this but I want to hear the member's opinion on this.
1)  i didn't saw any evidence that suggest that skkie is a nazi.you ron are saying it too much often.
2) i agree we should ban the leftists on the hebrew forum but this is an issue for the hebrew forum and should not be discussed here.
3) i never was an [censored] as you put it.
4) this is for everyone thinkning i am a pr nightmare.you guys will be slammed without connection to my views.they are concerned only about chaim.
5) and yes we should debate with trolls unless they are leftists.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 27, 2010, 08:57:42 AM
4) this is for everyone thinkning i am a pr nightmare.you guys will be slammed without connection to my views.
5) and yes we should debate with trolls unless they are leftists.

4) Right. We were doing pretty well before you were here. You, like all leftists, are a universal irrelevance.
5) All trolls are leftists. Nazi's, communists, muslims and mental cases are always leftists.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Ben m on May 27, 2010, 08:59:11 AM
4) this is for everyone thinkning i am a pr nightmare.you guys will be slammed without connection to my views.
5) and yes we should debate with trolls unless they are leftists.

4) Right. We were doing pretty well before you were here. You, like all leftists, are a universal irrelevance.
5) All trolls are leftists. Nazi's, communists, muslims and mental cases are always leftists.
how exactly muslims are leftists? they are religion of mental sickness not a political organisation.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 27, 2010, 09:04:56 AM
Muslims vote left.
But I'm glad you agree with all the rest that I say.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Ben m on May 27, 2010, 09:12:14 AM
Muslims vote left.
But I'm glad you agree with all the rest that I say.
i am also,by the way if you weill enter the thread about muslim rule you will see i thimnk you are right in a much more important issue.i owe you apologise you were right from the begininig (expect from the troll part of cousre ;D).
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 27, 2010, 09:26:52 AM
I think Dan Ben Noah has a good idea with the dishonorable member rank.

Trolling of all kinds should be banned because it is a disruption to anyone who genuinely seeks intelligent discussion.

Otherwise I'd let anyone in as long as he is not deliberately trying to disrupt, incite, or post obscenities- be they porn pics or expressions of sympathy to Hitler.

Agree with Zelhar and also like Dan Ben Noah's idea.

When a person is obviously trying to disrupt the forum as opposed to merely expressing different views or different opinions, it would be to our own detriment to let the person go on disrupting... 

I am all for open debate and using substantive arguments, while eschewing namecalling.  Namecalling and ad hominem attack are quite literally the bane of a forum's existence and contrary to its purpose. 
On the other hand, the forum has to have standards or else the quality will come to reflect that of its lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 27, 2010, 01:49:29 PM
The argument against banning is that there must be debate.
The only problem is is that there are no real honest opposers; only disrupters.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: muman613 on May 27, 2010, 02:44:23 PM
(http://msnowe.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/troll-bank-all.jpg)
Don't Ask, Don't Tell...
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: ~Hanna~ on May 27, 2010, 02:50:56 PM
I think that is a good idea, also...

I say we keep them but for certain cases we develop the "Dishonorable Member" rank, which would only have access to one board known as the "Time Out Corner".  All members would have access to the Time Out Corner, but Dishonorable Members could only post there and not on other boards.  The symbol indicating the Dishonorable Member could be a Star & Fist with the fist giving the thumbs down.
I like that idea
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 27, 2010, 02:55:15 PM
(http://msnowe.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/troll-bank-all.jpg)
Don't Ask, Don't Tell...


I don't think muslims should paint their hair.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Skkie on May 28, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
OP, I would be careful about calling people Nazis least they actually become them.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 28, 2010, 06:13:08 PM
OP, I would be careful about calling people Nazis least they actually become them.

What a stupid remark.  Maybe you better watch out for people calling you an idiot...oh wait, you already seem to be one.  I don't think I have called someone an idiot on this forum, but the comment you just made is inane
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 29, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
1)  i didn't saw any evidence that suggest that skkie is a nazi.you ron are saying it too much often.
2) i agree we should ban the leftists on the hebrew forum but this is an issue for the hebrew forum and should not be discussed here.
3) i never was an moron as you put it.
4) this is for everyone thinkning i am a pr nightmare.you guys will be slammed without connection to my views.they are concerned only about chaim.
5) and yes we should debate with trolls unless they are leftists.
Ben, I think that you and Skkie are the same person.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: eb22 on May 29, 2010, 08:39:04 PM
I'm more than comfortable with trolls being allowed to stay around if they provide debate,   w/o breaking the forum rules.    However,    in the case of a troll who spams the Forum like the Ron Paul/  James Traficant/  Pat Buchanan supporter did a few days ago,   with a multitude of messages within an hour or two,     that type of troll should be banned.   
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Rubystars on May 29, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
Ben, I think that you and Skkie are the same person.

For all his fauls, Skkie at least spells better than Ben M.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 29, 2010, 11:38:48 PM
For all his fauls, Skkie at least spells better than Ben M.
Like people can't deliberately modify speech patterns?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Rubystars on May 30, 2010, 12:03:31 AM
For all his fauls, Skkie at least spells better than Ben M.
Like people can't deliberately modify speech patterns?

It is pretty hilarious how he keeps refering to Gentiles as Genitiles/Genitals.  :laugh: I wondered if maybe that wasn't a deliberate mispelling.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 30, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
It is pretty hilarious how he keeps refering to Gentiles as Genitiles/Genitals.  :laugh: I wondered if maybe that wasn't a deliberate mispelling.
Exactly. That's just too much of a stretch to be innocent ignorance. He knows how to navigate an English forum but can't spell a word he's seen here thousands of times?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Spiraling Leopard on May 30, 2010, 12:18:22 AM
So what do we agree on with ben? Is he peace now scum?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 30, 2010, 12:26:29 AM
So what do we agree on with ben? Is he peace now scum?
Who knows. I bet he's not even in Israel.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Skkie on May 30, 2010, 12:34:06 AM
OP, I would be careful about calling people Nazis least they actually become them.

What a stupid remark.  Maybe you better watch out for people calling you an idiot...oh wait, you already seem to be one.  I don't think I have called someone an idiot on this forum, but the comment you just made is inane

Certain people here seem intent on making enemies with anyone who doesn't tow the political line, unlike some of the other Gentile posters here I have no compelling loyalty to Jews.

If you're going to insist on calling anyone who doesn't jump when told to a Nazi or screaming anti-Semite then I am afraid we can't be friends.


Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 30, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Certain people here seem intent on making enemies with anyone who doesn't tow the political line, unlike some of the other Gentile posters here I have no compelling loyalty to Jews.

If you're going to insist on calling anyone who doesn't jump when told to a Nazi or screaming anti-Semite then I am afraid we can't be friends.
So, are you going to explain why you thought my pictures were ugly/gross?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Skkie on May 30, 2010, 12:39:48 AM
Certain people here seem intent on making enemies with anyone who doesn't tow the political line, unlike some of the other Gentile posters here I have no compelling loyalty to Jews.

If you're going to insist on calling anyone who doesn't jump when told to a Nazi or screaming anti-Semite then I am afraid we can't be friends.
So, are you going to explain why you thought my pictures were ugly/gross?

I didn't comment on them, but I did find your message amusingly childish(apparently Ben got sent one too).

How old are you?
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 30, 2010, 12:47:48 AM
I didn't comment on them, but I did find your message amusingly childish(apparently Ben got sent one too).
You really think lowly of our intellect. Like we haven't figured out that you are one and the same poster.
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Skkie on May 30, 2010, 12:55:50 AM
I didn't comment on them, but I did find your message amusingly childish(apparently Ben got sent one too).
You really think lowly of our intellect. Like we haven't figured out that you are one and the same poster.

After getting such a message, I can't help but ponder your intellectual ability(or lack there of).

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Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 30, 2010, 01:01:17 AM
After getting such a message, I can't help but ponder your intellectual ability(or lack there of).
Why thank you for posting vile profanity on our forum!
Title: Re: What should be done with trolls?
Post by: Ben m on May 30, 2010, 08:47:36 AM
After getting such a message, I can't help but ponder your intellectual ability(or lack there of).
Why thank you for posting vile profanity on our forum!
why don't you admitt you owe me and skkie and rwg an apologise.