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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on June 07, 2010, 11:42:10 AM
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I think it is ridiculous that allies here are flaming each other...
Let me tell you guys something:
Righteous gentiles exist in every nation and I love every single one of them for loving the Jewish people...that includes Rubystars, Bullcat, etc etc etc. Isn't it written in the Torah that those who bless the Jewish people will be blessed and those who curse them will be cursed?
So does it matter what country a gentile comes from if he/she is righteous?
I know that Muman doesn't hate random Italians. I will say, however, that one thing Muman is generally right about is that no nation in the world has really been a true friend of the Jews...or perhaps certain countries had times in which they were friends with the Jews and then eventually hated them. I mean, ancient Egypt was an example with Joseph was an advisor to the pharoah sort of.
But in reality, the Jews will be a nation that will always dwell alone and that whomever blesses them will be blessed.
And as far as Italians go...When it is an anti-semite, I hate him like I hate Nazis..and when he/she loves Jews and Israel, I love him like a brother or sister. That's how we should be as Jews.
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Well said Dr Dan. Mind if I give you a big AMEN?!!!!
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I am not a Noahide and I will never be one. Therefore he has completely excluded me from being his "ally".
No one except for Bnei Noach, and such alliance also has limits.
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both of them should stop fighting each other.we don't need another rivlaries here.
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both of them should stop fighting each other.we don't need another rivlaries here.
Ben, despite your spelling and grammar, you are on the money this time.
I would also like to see these great members iron out their differences and get along and respect one another. I hope it will happen.
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both of them should stop fighting each other.we don't need another rivlaries here.
Ben, despite your spelling and grammar, you are on the money this time.
I would also like to see these great members iron out their differences and get along and respect one another. I hope it will happen.
agree.i mean rven if you find each other comments offending.just IGNORE IT OR GIVE FACTS.we have already one person here that use ad hominem attacks and profanity all the times and i am not saying names.
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Rubystars, you are a righteous gentile, Noahide or not..and you bless us..we bless you.
I am not a Noahide and I will never be one. Therefore he has completely excluded me from being his "ally".
No one except for Bnei Noach, and such alliance also has limits.
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Rubystars, you are a righteous gentile, Noahide or not..and you bless us..we bless you.
Thank you Dr. Dan that's very nice of you to say that. I do care about the Jewish people as a whole. You are also a very righteous individual.
both of them should stop fighting each other.we don't need another rivlaries here.
He has set himself up against every Christian here by saying that if someone is not an anti-Semite then they're in no way a Christian:
If your father truly denounced anti-Semitism he's no way a Christian because he just claim the opposite of what is claimed in your book.
Ask him why he decided to do such things rather than berating me for having something to say about it. I feel that Christians on the forum have a right to respond to such blatant hatred.
I would also like to see these great members iron out their differences and get along and respect one another. I hope it will happen.
Respect is earned and while you and Dr. Dan have earned my respect, Ron has not.
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Respect is earned and while you and Dr. Dan have earned my respect, Ron has not.
I understand where you're coming from, and I certainly meant my statement going both ways. Respect is a mutual endeavor.
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I was just thinking
Does Pedo front hate Italians?
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Thank you Dr. Dan for your wonderful post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the non-Jewish members here who support us, like Rubystars, and Bullcat3 are wonderful! I don't care what their nationality is. There is good and bad in every nationality. So while I'm sure there are, and have been a fair amount of anti-semitic Italians, there are also good Italian Americans like Bullcat3, Masterwolf and Italian Zionist.
I'd like to remind everyone here that while JTF fully supports the heroic Serbs, that doesn't negate the fact that there are also anti-Semitic Serbs out there. I actually banned a few of them. Need I mention the Serbian Defense League, which is a very anti-semitic site? But that doesn't change the fact that we support the Serbs, and that we appreciate all good people who support us. So let's all be respectful of our non-Jewish members. After all, they don't *have* to post here. I'm sure they have other more pressing issues to deal with in their lives. Yet they do! People like Rubystars and Bullcat3 are more pro-Israel/Jewish than many American Jews.
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Thank you Dr. Dan for your wonderful post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the non-Jewish members here who support us, like Rubystars, and Bullcat3 are wonderful! I don't care what their nationality is. There is good and bad in every nationality. So while I'm sure there are, and have been a fair amount of anti-semitic Italians, there are also good Italian Americans like Bullcat3, Masterwolf and Italian Zionist.
I'd like to remind everyone here that while JTF fully supports the heroic Serbs, that doesn't negate the fact that there are also anti-Semitic Serbs out there. I actually banned a few of them. Need I mention the Serbian Defense League, which is a very anti-semitic site? But that doesn't change the fact that we support the Serbs, and that we appreciate all good people who support us. So let's all be respectful of our non-Jewish members. After all, they don't *have* to post here. I'm sure they have other more pressing issues to deal with in their lives. Yet they do! People like Rubystars and Bullcat3 are more pro-Israel/Jewish than many American Jews.
ROFL the Srbian defense league is one man operation run by a guy named compuserb i know him well from protest warrior he's basically a fool more then an anti semite besides he loves blacks
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There are Serbs on whorefront too. I don't understand how they can be so stupid. But of course there are many good, Israel-loving Serb people.
Thanks Lisa for posting.
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Many excellent comments in THIS thread.
To build on what has been expressed in this thread, I highly recommend that everyone reading this watches the following video. Even if you have seen it previously. A video that I believe is a very large part of the essence of JTF. A video that I believe should be part of a permanent Sticky thread here in the General Section. Thanks for Chaim for his commentary and leadership. And for 4International for putting together the video:
'JTF Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach Explains The Essential Role Of Righteous Gentiles In JTF'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwvkrougl54
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4International really did make some wonderful videos. I hope he decides to come back soon.
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
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The issue regarding Italy goes way back, long before WWII, and the Roman Catholic Church which subjugated and tortured its Jews... To whitewash history is a grave sin... The archeological ruins of the Jewish ghetto in Rome still exists... Maybe they should destroy it before everyone knows about Italys dark history of subjugating its Jews through almost 2000 years of history...
See this summary of the history of Jews in Italy : http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46680.0.html
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
You are surely deluded mr christian... I simply think you are a doofus and incapable of carrying on an intelligent discussion. Instead you attempt to frame this as an attack against you. Anyone with a single brain cell can see through your perverted attempts. Maybe you think you are humorous? Try again bucko...
Please explain how your attacking me, and my pointing out your infantile tactics, makes me hate all gentiles mr buffoon..
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If I recall correctly there used to be a Jewish member here with black heritage and he was a very good person.
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4International really did make some wonderful videos. I hope he decides to come back soon.
Absolutely. He certainly was a major asset to JTF.
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בס''ד
Excellent thread Dr. Dan.
All righteous Jews and righteous Gentiles should work together. That is what our movement believes in. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with what JTF represents.
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בס''ד
Excellent thread Dr. Dan.
All righteous Jews and righteous Gentiles should work together. That is what our movement believes in. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with what JTF represents.
I have always agreed that we can work together. So long as we understand where we are coming from...
Several members seem to think I hate them, or their religion... I do not hate them, nor their religion... Often I get accused of this when I point out things in history, or that our sages said, concerning the other beliefs...
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If I recall correctly there used to be a Jewish member here with black heritage and he was a very good person.
I believe the person you are thinking of is cosmokramer. At the time, he lived in Seattle, with the goal of moving to Israel. Like you, I think very highly of him.
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
You certainly have a strange way of defining the term "evidence."
Let's keep this from getting personal and stick to the facts.
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Let's remember there are plenty of good/evil people in the world of all faiths. Good people should work together period--end of story. These threads seem to evolve into mini-forums where people either are or feel disrespected and discounted. I agree with Bullcat in her previous thread. This kind of intermember arguing needs to halt. If there are members here that routinely instigate this kind of open war, then I think admins need to have a chat with them in order to determine if they are serving the purposes of JTF by their contributions to the forum. This is not censorship but encouraging people on the forum to behave as responsible members of a community
Incidentally, here is yet another righteous great Italian American, as seen in eb22's post in another thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IgLX-xigSk
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4International really did make some wonderful videos. I hope he decides to come back soon.
He ain't coming back. At least not anytime soon.
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If I recall correctly there used to be a Jewish member here with black heritage and he was a very good person.
I believe the person you are thinking of is cosmokramer. At the time, he lived in Seattle, with the goal of moving to Israel. Like you, I think very highly of him.
Yes that was his user name. He was very nice. :)
4International really did make some wonderful videos. I hope he decides to come back soon.
He ain't coming back. At least not anytime soon.
That's regrettable considering that he was a lot more appreciated here than he even realized.
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I was just thinking
Does Pedo front hate Italians?
Pedofront hate Italians who love Jews.
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I was just thinking
Does Pedo front hate Italians?
Pedofront hate Italians who love Jews.
They hate everyone who even likes Jews.
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Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
Muman loves all righteous people and doesn't discriminate by race..
Muman hates all evil people and doesn't discriminate by race..
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
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I think a healthy debate with respect with our gentile friends is perfectly fine and actually interesting. As long as we disagree sometimes, we never forget the ultimate respect and love for one another.
בס''ד
Excellent thread Dr. Dan.
All righteous Jews and righteous Gentiles should work together. That is what our movement believes in. Anyone who disagrees with that is disagreeing with what JTF represents.
I have always agreed that we can work together. So long as we understand where we are coming from...
Several members seem to think I hate them, or their religion... I do not hate them, nor their religion... Often I get accused of this when I point out things in history, or that our sages said, concerning the other beliefs...
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Some years ago I attended a lecture given by a man called Walter Wolff. He was taken into the German concentration camp system during WW2 and eventually made his way into Italy. What he had to say about the Italians surprised me to some extent. He was quite old but spoke for some time and had everyone sitting on the edge of their seats. I have posted this a few times before but I will post it again because it really gets down what this thread is about. I don't know if this book is still available but it is something that is worth reading.
http://www.italystl.com/walterwolff/
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
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I have not met most people, but most people I have met... I usually like Italian-Americans. I don't remember ever meeting an actual Italian from Italy. Usually I do not like Europeans I meet in America, with the exception of a few people from England and Ireland whom I used to DJ with when I used to DJ records at clubs.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=38500
If the latest FBI hate-crime statistics are any indication, of the 1,314 verified offenses motivated by religious bias, 68.5 percent were anti-Jewish.
No one in America is persecuted more than the Jew. [Despite all the self-hating and Leftist butt-kissing, Jews are persecuted several times over than even the terrorist Muslims who have actually DONE things to earn persecution and Muslims in America are a larger percentage of the population; maybe this stems from the common knowledge if you interact with a Muslim in a way they don't like they WILL actually kill you.]
However Italian-Americans have at times known great persecution as well. Many people think Italian-Americans are all involved with the mob, much like people think all Jews are in some sort of Zionist network which controls the world. In NYC I think Italian-Americans remember this more so than elsewhere, at least based upon my observations living in NYC, Northern New York state, Orlando, Los Angeles, Vermont, and Maine. In other parts of the country I don't sense as much kinship as in NYC between Jews and Italians, not that I see animosity replacing kinship, its just not as overtly friendly. Maybe in NYC this kinship stems from Ellis Island days.
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Ariel,
I can really only speak of NYC. I completely agree with your assessment of the roots of Italians and Jews getting along. I have always had close Italian friends who were good family people; really the best and loyal to a fault which is a wonderful thing in this day and age
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
JTFe2, you're correct. Fortunately, here we learn not to be so nice and fight our enemies with disrespect as we should..Unfortunately, we forget that when we talk to family and loved ones, we aren't supposed to talk in the same manner. We can have disagreements with our family and friends, but we should embrace them with love when we respectfully disagree on important issues. It's a mistake to attack callously our loved ones.
I implore that great members like Ron, Muman (as he usually does), and etc jews and gentiles, that when they disagree with gentile members especially with theology and religion to do so respectfully and with extra care and love..much like what Chaim does.
It's not hard to say, "I respectfully disagree with you on this point of your religion. I guess we have to agree to disagree. I still love and respect you and that's what matters to me most."
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
No it's not unfounded in all honesty muman told me this in a post himself... not exact words but the bottom line was that JTF is a Jewish Forum and the amount of Gentiles to Jews on the English Forum didn't seem right to him. My answer to him was was that support is good from where ever it comes from and JTF does have a Hebrew Forum also.
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I'm always happy when we get more good members, regardless of whether they're Jewish, Christian, Noahide or whatever. I wish that we had more American Jews as members. Unfortunately, many of them believe that Judaism and liberalism are one and the same, which is wrong.
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It's not that I would want to see fewer Gentile members, but that it would be refreshing to see a few more American Jews who weren't so totally and completely out to lunch!
:::D :::D
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In Muman's defense, it would be extremely refreshing if we had more righteous Jews come out into the English forum..Nothing is more worrisome when Jews care less about their own people compared to non Jews. If anything Jews should really have that chip on their shoulder for their own people much like Blacks have with themselves.
C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
No it's not unfounded in all honesty muman told me this in a post himself... not exact words but the bottom line was that JTF is a Jewish Forum and the amount of Gentiles to Jews on the English Forum didn't seem right to him. My answer to him was was that support is good from where ever it comes from and JTF does have a Hebrew Forum also.
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
That's exactly right. I don't care if someone believes something differently from me or feels that I'm wrong. I just don't want people to behave in an obnoxious manner.
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
I too, have to agree with this statement.
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
I'm not trying to force ron to say anything. I am merely pointing out that he contradicts himself.
In fact, it is ron himself that creates divisiveness by making the statements discussed in this threat.
The very divisiveness Rubystars and Bullcat are pointing out.
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
I'm not trying to force ron to say anything. I am merely pointing out that he contradicts himself.
Yes, ignorance and a priori delusions are key words for the master of reasoning, Robert.
I never co-operated with Venay and I never thought of doing so (and he knows that, he offered me something and I refused politely). Unlike some people here, I never give up on principles.
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
I'm not trying to force ron to say anything. I am merely pointing out that he contradicts himself.
Yes, ignorance and a priori delusions are key words for the master of reasoning, Robert.
I never co-operated with Venay and I never thought of doing so (and he knows that, he offered me something and I refused politely). Unlike some people here, I never give up on principles.
Yet you speak to him on the phone.
Joining a forum is hardly more cooperating than speaking on a phone.
You go against Chaim's ideas and ideals of JTF and create divisiveness by insulting Christian members.
Isn't this a deja vu?
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Yet you speak to him on the phone.
Now you lie. I never spoke to him on the phone.
Joining a forum is hardly more cooperating than speaking on a phone.
I don't co-operate with any of the non-Noahide Gentile members here. I used to co-operate with Chaim and the rest of the Judean members here.
You go against Chaim's ideas and ideals of JTF and create divisiveness by insulting Christian members.
I disagree with Chaim - and I don't insult Christians members just like that. I attacked Fascist Italy which is the same as Nazi Germany. Once I attacked it and explained my point (after me and Mord had a rational discussion about the issue), Bullcat3 started flaming me and using ed-hominems even though I wasn't Italian Americans (who I don't even know, point I pointed out but Bullcat3 loved to ignore) - you want wars? no problem. I won't stand idly.
Until yesterday, I wasn't even talking about Christianity yet I create dividiness just because I have a different opinion I pointed out yesterday because it was a response to the attacks made against me.
Good logic you have, or is it hatred?
Isn't this a deja vu?
Surely reminds me of the days of Stephanie and Wiiter.
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
I'm not trying to force ron to say anything. I am merely pointing out that he contradicts himself.
Yes, ignorance and a priori delusions are key words for the master of reasoning, Robert.
I never co-operated with Venay and I never thought of doing so (and he knows that, he offered me something and I refused politely). Unlike some people here, I never give up on principles.
Yet you speak to him on the phone.
Joining a forum is hardly more cooperating than speaking on a phone.
You go against Chaim's ideas and ideals of JTF and create divisiveness by insulting Christian members.
Isn't this a deja vu?
Robert, Ron never talked to me on phone. All i did was to pass Chaim's phone number to Ron and i also chat with him on msn. On another note, there are many things over which i agree with Ron. Regarding his views about Christianity in israel, role of western countires.. etc. There is something that makes Hindus and JEws natural allies, since ancient times.
btw Ron does support Israel militarity helping Hindus against Pakistani, bangladesh and Indonesia and also trade relations. Ron should be allowed to present his views freely, he is young and has lot of fire in his belly. And Israel needs such spineful youths to stand up bravely against all odds. As Ron's idea of Israel is like how it was during King David's time or King Solomons time, i'm sure under such a state Israel will have trade relations with India as it was during time of King Solomon. So the question of non-coperation with non-noachide is of little significance here.
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phone - msn
potato - potahto
It seems to me that you possess a rather distorted mindview when it comes to the meaning of the word 'flaming' used by others, and then comparing it to your own.
Bullcats and Rubystars 'critique' is very valid.
When I compare this to certain things you have said in the past, I really need no more proof.
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phone - msn
potato - potahto
Robert you are actually a cool guy, but i dont know why you are being so hyper in this case
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I wonder what ron's business with Hindu Zionist is if he only wishes to coöperate with Noachides.
This is just more divisiveness... I don't think that trying to force Ron to say something against HZ is a good idea...
I'm not trying to force ron to say anything. I am merely pointing out that he contradicts himself.
Yes, ignorance and a priori delusions are key words for the master of reasoning, Robert.
I never co-operated with Venay and I never thought of doing so (and he knows that, he offered me something and I refused politely). Unlike some people here, I never give up on principles.
Yet you speak to him on the phone.
Joining a forum is hardly more cooperating than speaking on a phone.
You go against Chaim's ideas and ideals of JTF and create divisiveness by insulting Christian members.
Isn't this a deja vu?
wow.i never thought i would agree on something with robert.but i agree.
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
I agree. A lot of good people left because of this. Some anti-Christian remarks make me cringe even though I am Jewish. I think that divisive or anti-Christian posts should be made a banisheable offense.
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but the bottom line was that JTF is a Jewish Forum and the amount of Gentiles to Jews on the English Forum didn't seem right to him. My answer to him was was that support is good from where ever it comes from and JTF does have a Hebrew Forum also.
My understanding was that the Engish JTF forum was a forum that was meant to be used equally by Jews and Gentiles who wanted to promote cooperation.
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
I agree. A lot of good people left because of this. Some anti-Christian remarks make me cringe even though I am Jewish. I think that divisive or anti-Christian posts should be made a banisheable offense.
+1
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I ask for respect and cooperaton and yet I continue to see the same people bickering and pointing fingers.
This type of stubborness is very bad when it is with family and loved ones. That energy should be used against those who want to destroy the Jewish peope eg self hating Jews, Muslims, Nazis.
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I ask for respect and cooperaton and yet I continue to see the same people bickering and pointing fingers.
This type of stubborness is very bad when it is with family and loved ones. That energy should be used against those who want to destroy the Jewish peope eg self hating Jews, Muslims, Nazis.
to dr. dan
please look again at the italian threa and you will see who is responsible to this mess.although i don't agree with the way rubystars answered him it is mainly ron's fault.he said some very nasty anti christian and anti non noachide comments..chaim or the admins need to be clear about anti christian comments.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
Before, you propagated lies on the forum but later admitted they were lies. Now you expect us to believe what you say about Ron from a private chat you supposedly had, even while this whole time you have been blaming Ron in this dispute? You have eroded whatever credibility you had long ago. So I suggest you stop telling stories.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
Before, you propagated lies on the forum but later admitted they were lies. Now you expect us to believe what you say about Ron from a private chat you supposedly had, even while this whole time you have been blaming Ron in this dispute? You have eroded whatever credibility you had long ago. So I suggest you stop telling stories.
it doesn't change the fact that tthe current fight is ron fault.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
Before, you propagated lies on the forum but later admitted they were lies. Now you expect us to believe what you say about Ron from a private chat you supposedly had, even while this whole time you have been blaming Ron in this dispute? You have eroded whatever credibility you had long ago. So I suggest you stop telling stories.
it doesn't change the fact that tthe current fight is ron fault.
Yea yea... blame Ron for everything even when Ron did nothing but express his opinion on Fascist Italy.
Stupid WN clown.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
Before, you propagated lies on the forum but later admitted they were lies. Now you expect us to believe what you say about Ron from a private chat you supposedly had, even while this whole time you have been blaming Ron in this dispute? You have eroded whatever credibility you had long ago. So I suggest you stop telling stories.
it doesn't change the fact that tthe current fight is ron fault.
Yea yea... blame Ron for everything even when Ron did nothing but express his opionion on Fascist Italy.
Stupid WN clown.
no.i blame you beacuse you make stupid comment and expect people to go on with this.
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he also said to me in the chat of the hebrew fourm that...
You are behaving your age again. You complain about divisiveness on one hand yet you yourself stoke the fires by gossiping like this. Needless to say I don't believe a word you are saying. I'm reminded of the middle school lunchroom.
nedless to say i don't care.this is an unfortunate fight but we all now who is responsible.
Before, you propagated lies on the forum but later admitted they were lies. Now you expect us to believe what you say about Ron from a private chat you supposedly had, even while this whole time you have been blaming Ron in this dispute? You have eroded whatever credibility you had long ago. So I suggest you stop telling stories.
it doesn't change the fact that tthe current fight is ron fault.
Yea yea... blame Ron for everything even when Ron did nothing but express his opionion on Fascist Italy.
Stupid WN clown.
no.i blame you beacuse you make stupid comment and expect people to go on with this.
So why don't you blame your existence on the forum?
709 posts of anti-Semtism, ignorance, stupidity and waste of KBs.
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There is something VERY wrong here! Had everyone forgotten the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"! Those of you that are so quick to blame and cut down others here, you really NEED to put yourself into their shoes. Stop being so defensive and blaming so easily! Do you think NONE of us had to go through a childhood of name calling or bullies just like yourself? Think again! Bullcat and Rubystars have every right to be upset!
History is history, we learn from it so we do NOT make the same mistakes again.
For those of you who are against NON Jews in this forum, I suggest you bite your tongue, or you will continue to make enemies and they will leave. Did you even LISTEN to the video eb22 pointed out? I thought we were ALL here for the same reason? Israel is a beloved country and we all want to see the same end.
Just my 2 cents and how I feel.
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but the bottom line was that JTF is a Jewish Forum and the amount of Gentiles to Jews on the English Forum didn't seem right to him. My answer to him was was that support is good from where ever it comes from and JTF does have a Hebrew Forum also.
My understanding was that the Engish JTF forum was a forum that was meant to be used equally by Jews and Gentiles who wanted to promote cooperation.
Thank You, Masha.
That is all I was trying to say.
We all share a common goal here.
I am not at war with Ron.
He can feel free to be at war with me. I will not stand idly by either. I will not be held accountable for the crimes of a fascist regime. My Mom lived under that fascist regime. She has suffered great loss in her life because of it.
She also attended an Italian elementary school. She has not an antisemetic bone in her body. So I don't believe that all true Italians are anti-semetic.
As for the Italian American ( not a true Italian apparently), my Dad, he gave a few years of his young life to fight in WWII.
Ron - I know you are 'brilliant', but I think you need to mature a bit. You will learn which battles, and enemies, are most important to save your energy and brilliance for.
I don't have to work hand and hand with you Ron. I just have to coexist with you.
As for my my attacks being ad hominem. You would know that, Ron. You are the master of that.
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Posting in here to lend support to Italian-Americans.
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Italian-Americans as a whole I would say innocent until proven guilty when it comes down being friends of the Jews and Israel.
On the other hand, black americans are guilty until proven innocent.
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Posting in here to lend support to Italian-Americans.
me too.in my opinion WE ARE ALL ITALAIA!
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Dan ,
That's the problem: the Gentile members don't feel respected. There are some members who go out of their way to say insensitive things to the Christian people on this forum. I am not talking about people who state theological differences respectfully as say Chaim does. I dont think any of the Christian members feel offended by that. I think they are rightfully offended by some who seem to go out of their way to be 'in your face' kind of hostile.
I agree with this, and it is one of the things that bothers me here, even though I am a Jew. I am currently dealing with an offline friend who is also like this; we met during my JDL days in the 1970s, and he honestly has no reason to hate Christians, yet he does. In fact it was a bornagain Christian who once saved his life and helped him out financially when he was close to being homeless. And this guy never once tried to convert him. Yet he has this knee-jerk reaction to Christians.
As I said before, my mother (obm) converted to Torah Judaism in 1944, a few years before she met and married my father, who was a born Jew. Born Jews have no idea how hard it is for converts, esp. anyone who converted during WW2, when Jews were being murdered in Europe. For many years, until the 1980s, my mom was the only convert she knew, and born Jews (including my Jewish grandparents, sad to say) made life very difficult for her because they felt intimidated by a convert who knew more about Torah than they did.
Yet my mother was also an Italian-American. Not until I was an adult did I appreciate how many things she did to keep me Jewish. Even when she took me to Italian-American events, she made sure they were secular ones, like the Columbus Day parades. It was not until I was an adult and went to Italian events on my own that I realized how Catholic many of them were (saints' processions, etc). Mom made sure I never saw any of that, I realize that now.
When I was 10 I was beaten up and had my hair cut off by Irish Catholic girls in the neighborhood who called me 'christ killer'. It was Mrs. Oteri (obm) who ran out of the Italian bakery nearby, chased them off with a rolling pin and took me into the bakery to clean the blood off my face, offer me Italian cookies (sorry, can't, they're not kosher, but thanks anyway), and took me to my parents.
NOT ONCE have I ever personally encountered any antisemitism from any Italian-Americans. I have from Irish-Americans and blacks, but honestly not from anyone else. And where I grew up it was mostly Italian, Jewish, some Polish, some Irish, and some blacks. The Irish would come into the Italian and Jewish area to beat us up, so Italians and Jews stuck together; much of the time they even intermarried. For some reason, Italian-Americans (and even many Italians) don't understand antisemitism. Mussolini, though he sided with Hitler because he thought he was going to win, used to ridicule Hitler behind his back; he did not understand Hitler's obsession with Jews.
Decades later, his granddaughter Alessandra Mussolini, who became an actress, would play a nun who sheltered Jews in the film THE ASSISI UNDERGROUND, a movie based on the book by Italian Jew Alexander Ramati (1978).
She also went to Israel, and toured Yad Vashem. When she emerged, she commented on the Israeli soldiers standing guard nearby. She said it was so tragic that the Jews, who have spent their entire existence fighting for their lives, still had to continue to do in their own land.
Maybe if I had encountered antisemitism from many Italians I would not feel this way. But I am BOTH Jewish and Italian, and I am proud of BOTH. Many have tried to make me 'choose sides' but I cannot because I am both, I always have been and always will be.
Interestingly, it has only been Jews who have tried to pressure me to "choose sides" (is this a war?) Italian-Americans never have, the ones I have spoken to think "its cool" to be both Italian and Jewish. Go figure.
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can any Italian here tell me something about Giuseppe Mazzini
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
Obviously not unfounded is it as cjd agrees with my post.
Muman, Ron etc imo hate chrstians. They can deny it till their blue in the face but its true. if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather. People call him a bigot yet he is alot ore tolerant of gentiles then these so called veteran members.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles. I never preach christianity on here, and alot of my religous questions(towards chaim on ask jtf) have always involved the torah(Tanach to me). Yet it seems fair game that black worshippers like ron and muman get a free range to literally slate christianity.
I think you need to stop defending muman, realise that the forum is not as active because of people like him, and perhaps we would get more gentile members which would only help chaims cause.
What i loved about this movement was the fact that people of different faiths and countries all wanted the same thing. But less than a hand full of members on here are ruining chaim chance to expand his movement.
I might get slated for this but i think alot of gentiles will be pleased i said this, as i can see cracks in the coolest of members starting to show. So since i am probabl the least liked gentile, its best i say this.
BTW if you must know my fav posters are jewish, new york, jtfamericanpatriot, gematria.
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
Obviously not unfounded is it as cjd agrees with my post.
Muman, Ron etc imo hate chrstians. They can deny it till their blue in the face but its true. if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather. People call him a bigot yet he is alot ore tolerant of gentiles then these so called veteran members.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles. I never preach christianity on here, and alot of my religous questions(towards chaim on ask jtf) have always involved the torah(Tanach to me). Yet it seems fair game that black worshippers like ron and muman get a free range to literally slate christianity.
I think you need to stop defending muman, realise that the forum is not as active because of people like him, and perhaps we would get more gentile members which would only help chaims cause.
What i loved about this movement was the fact that people of different faiths and countries all wanted the same thing. But less than a hand full of members on here are ruining chaim chance to expand his movement.
I might get slated for this but i think alot of gentiles will be pleased i said this, as i can see cracks in the coolest of members starting to show. So since i am probabl the least liked gentile, its best i say this.
BTW if you must know my fav posters are jewish, new york, jtfamericanpatriot, gematria.
Before you spread lies about me learn how to spell it right in your own mother tongue.
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I think Kahane was Right is a good member.
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Thank you for your story Jewish America. I too went through things as a child being called a Polak, cracker, and making fun of my last name. Sounds like we can relate MORE to the Jewish cause than even MOST Jews because of this. In a world full of so much tolerance, seems some have none at all, or even any compassion for others. Yes, it's TOO MUCH tolerance that has probably torn this country apart, but common sense should have played a huge role in alot of it. I will ALWAYS stand with Israel, no matter, because of what I believe in my heart. For those of you that want to tear apart this forum and get rid of Gentiles, be careful what you wish for!
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Polite rapists.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will prove he is righthouse (the blacks,muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentiles in the movement.
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I ask for respect and cooperaton and yet I continue to see the same people bickering and pointing fingers.
This type of stubborness is very bad when it is with family and loved ones. That energy should be used against those who want to destroy the Jewish peope eg self hating Jews, Muslims, Nazis.
Thank you, Dr. Dan. I certainly agree with Chaim's opinion that you are a voice of wisdom and common sense.
What you conveyed is something I have been trying to stress in many posts here in the JTF Forum and on ZooTube when the focus becomes fighting against each other than against the Leftists, Muslims, Nazis/ 911 Inside Job Conspiracy Freaks.
Everyone should realize that when we are divided on the Core of JTF, it chases away BOTH Jews and Non-Jews. And it makes people, including myself, much more reluctant to mention JTF to people ( both Jews and Non-Jews ) who would be potential good members. The amount of Monetary support that this infighting can cost JTF is SUBSTANTIAL. More than some can even imagine. I proudly support the vision of JTF that reflects the vision of the late and great Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will provehe is righthouse (the blacks'muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentile in the movement.
Let's see. I attacked Fascist Italy, and Bullcat3 took it offensively. She started attacking me, and I responded midly. That's it. You turned me into a Jewish Hitler (especially you, I wonder why you, Ben, whine about it more than these Christian ladies above do, maybe it's something more personal than ideological) who hates all Gentiles (another proof all of those who attack me know COMPLETELY NOTHING about what I say and just join the cyber lynch for the sake of it). I love Bnei Noach - who are Gentiles, like it or not. I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
I disagree with Chaim's ideas on this just like most of the members here disagre with Rabbi Kahane on Germany (ysv"s). He himself said I have the right to disagree with him (not that's relavent anymore). Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Whether you like it or not, your attacks against me are biased and have 0 evidence in reality - therefore, you're a biased tool used by the forum's Christian community just because I'm not very popular among it.
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There is something VERY wrong here! Had everyone forgotten the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"! Those of you that are so quick to blame and cut down others here, you really NEED to put yourself into their shoes. Stop being so defensive and blaming so easily! Do you think NONE of us had to go through a childhood of name calling or bullies just like yourself? Think again! Bullcat and Rubystars have every right to be upset!
History is history, we learn from it so we do NOT make the same mistakes again.
For those of you who are against NON Jews in this forum, I suggest you bite your tongue, or you will continue to make enemies and they will leave. Did you even LISTEN to the video eb22 pointed out? I thought we were ALL here for the same reason? Israel is a beloved country and we all want to see the same end.
Just my 2 cents and how I feel.
Thank you, arksis. I COMPLETELY agree with and support what you expressed.
You are one of the best people I have EVER known. It pains me greatly when people like you and many other JTF supporters aren't UNIVERSALLY appreciated in JTF. After thinking about all of this in the last few days, I'm confident that at least 90 % of the current members ( non trolls ) appreciate the efforts of ALL of the Pro JTF members. Yet, until its 100%, the group is falling short of what Chaim expressed in the video that I posted in the first page of this thread.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will provehe is righthouse (the blacks'muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentile in the movement.
Let's see. I attacked Fascist Italy, and Bullcat3 took it offensively. She started attacking me, and I responded midly. That's it. You turned me into a Jewish Hitler (especially you, I wonder why you, Ben, whine about it more than these Christian ladies above do, maybe it's something more personal than ideological) who hates all Gentiles (another proof all of those who attack me know COMPLETELY NOTHING about what I say and just join the cyber lynch for the sake of it). I love Bnei Noach - who are Gentiles, like it or not. I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some quotes I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
I disagree with Chaim's ideas on this just like most of the members here disagre with Rabbi Kahane on Germany (ysv"s). He himself said I have the right to disagree with him (not that's relavent anymore). Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Whether you like it or not, your attacks against me are biased and have 0 evidence in reality - therefore, you're a biased tool used by the forum's Christian community just because I'm not very popular among it.
MY Christianity has NEVER had a problem with Judaism so don't throw those of US here on JTF into YOUR category.
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There is something VERY wrong here! Had everyone forgotten the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"! Those of you that are so quick to blame and cut down others here, you really NEED to put yourself into their shoes. Stop being so defensive and blaming so easily! Do you think NONE of us had to go through a childhood of name calling or bullies just like yourself? Think again! Bullcat and Rubystars have every right to be upset!
History is history, we learn from it so we do NOT make the same mistakes again.
For those of you who are against NON Jews in this forum, I suggest you bite your tongue, or you will continue to make enemies and they will leave. Did you even LISTEN to the video eb22 pointed out? I thought we were ALL here for the same reason? Israel is a beloved country and we all want to see the same end.
Just my 2 cents and how I feel.
Thank you, arksis. I COMPLETELY agree with and support what you expressed.
You are one of the best people I have EVER known. It pains me greatly when people like you and many other JTF supporters aren't UNIVERSALLY appreciated in JTF. After thinking about all of this in the last few days, I'm confident that at least 90 % of the current members ( non trolls ) appreciate the efforts of ALL of the Pro JTF members. Yet, until its 100%, the group is falling short of what Chaim expressed in the video that I posted in the first page of this thread.
Thank you so much for your sentiments eb22, really means alot to me. It's not so much that some of us want to be appreciated, but RESPECTED as we RESPECT others. Maybe it's compassion that others don't have, I don't know. I can't remember when I've seen such immature behavior by some of the members here. As I said before, we are ALL working for the same cause and want the same end, isn't that enough for ALL of us?
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will provehe is righthouse (the blacks'muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentile in the movement.
Let's see. I attacked Fascist Italy, and Bullcat3 took it offensively. She started attacking me, and I responded midly. That's it. You turned me into a Jewish Hitler (especially you, I wonder why you, Ben, whine about it more than these Christian ladies above do, maybe it's something more personal than ideological) who hates all Gentiles (another proof all of those who attack me know COMPLETELY NOTHING about what I say and just join the cyber lynch for the sake of it). I love Bnei Noach - who are Gentiles, like it or not. I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some quotes I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
I disagree with Chaim's ideas on this just like most of the members here disagre with Rabbi Kahane on Germany (ysv"s). He himself said I have the right to disagree with him (not that's relavent anymore). Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Whether you like it or not, your attacks against me are biased and have 0 evidence in reality - therefore, you're a biased tool used by the forum's Christian community just because I'm not very popular among it.
Just to be clear Ron. Speaking for myself, I would never call for you to be banned. What would that accomplish?
By the way, Ben is not a tool being used by this Christian or any other here. Don't even go there.
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There is something VERY wrong here! Had everyone forgotten the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"! Those of you that are so quick to blame and cut down others here, you really NEED to put yourself into their shoes. Stop being so defensive and blaming so easily! Do you think NONE of us had to go through a childhood of name calling or bullies just like yourself? Think again! Bullcat and Rubystars have every right to be upset!
History is history, we learn from it so we do NOT make the same mistakes again.
For those of you who are against NON Jews in this forum, I suggest you bite your tongue, or you will continue to make enemies and they will leave. Did you even LISTEN to the video eb22 pointed out? I thought we were ALL here for the same reason? Israel is a beloved country and we all want to see the same end.
Just my 2 cents and how I feel.
Thank you, arksis. I COMPLETELY agree with and support what you expressed.
You are one of the best people I have EVER known. It pains me greatly when people like you and many other JTF supporters aren't UNIVERSALLY appreciated in JTF. After thinking about all of this in the last few days, I'm confident that at least 90 % of the current members ( non trolls ) appreciate the efforts of ALL of the Pro JTF members. Yet, until its 100%, the group is falling short of what Chaim expressed in the video that I posted in the first page of this thread.
Thank you so much for your sentiments eb22, really means alot to me. It's not so much that some of us want to be appreciated, but RESPECTED as we RESPECT others. Maybe it's compassion that others don't have, I don't know. I can't remember when I've seen such immature behavior by some of the members here. As I said before, we are ALL working for the same cause and want the same end, isn't that enough for ALL of us?
arksis, for sure, you and all other JTF members ( Jews and non-Jews ) who support the organization through time and/ or money have earned respect. And deserve the respect from all the other Pro JTF members. From my point of view, anything less is VERY disturbing. It goes against what JTF stands for and for what JDL stood for under Rabbi Kahane and Chaim's leadership!
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will provehe is righthouse (the blacks'muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentile in the movement.
Let's see. I attacked Fascist Italy, and Bullcat3 took it offensively. She started attacking me, and I responded midly. That's it. You turned me into a Jewish Hitler (especially you, I wonder why you, Ben, whine about it more than these Christian ladies above do, maybe it's something more personal than ideological) who hates all Gentiles (another proof all of those who attack me know COMPLETELY NOTHING about what I say and just join the cyber lynch for the sake of it). I love Bnei Noach - who are Gentiles, like it or not. I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
I disagree with Chaim's ideas on this just like most of the members here disagre with Rabbi Kahane on Germany (ysv"s). He himself said I have the right to disagree with him (not that's relavent anymore). Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Whether you like it or not, your attacks against me are biased and have 0 evidence in reality - therefore, you're a biased tool used by the forum's Christian community just because I'm not very popular among it.
so you had a very bad experience with christianity.well,please tell us more about this experiences.persoanlly,i had a very good experinece with christianity (much better than my experience with orthodox judaism for example).i also ahd a christian friend and he is one of my best and most enduring freinds.and no,not everything i say is beacuse i have personal grudge against you.this is already on the verge of paranoia.this is remind me when you said that my friendship with the proud arab jew is like the riventrop-molotov agreement that is directed against you.you,know.you are not the center of the world.
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
And If you don't believe the sincerity of Christians who support the Jewish people, well that's your choice, but still you can be decent ans polite. I challenge you to quote any great rabbi who instructs Jews to provoke and insult goyim who actually try to be nice and friendly with Jews.
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This 'you are my favorite member' crap has got to stop. It's in the exact same spirit as the provocation with which our Christian members are complaining. It's starting to be a real turnoff. At first it was funny, now it's just a reminder of how silly aspects of this forum are becoming.
The next step is going to be a time out corner in my head for people that are consistently provocative with their posts.
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles.
this is one of the most bigoted posts i ever came across on jtf. Muman has been the first member i got in contact with through messages and ICQ since i joined jtf. And well i'm a gentile. so that really throws your allegations out of the window. Also pal you got to hold on there, Who are you, me and other gentiles to judge how righteous are the Jews? Muman is a great guy, i remember once saying that every person should try to conduct life, the way muman does. think it was in some ask jtfers thread.
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
And If you don't believe the sincerity of Christians who support the Jewish people, well that's your choice, but still you can be decent ans polite. I challenge you to quote any great rabbi who instructs Jews to provoke and insult goyim who actually try to be nice and friendly with Jews.
Thank You, Zelhar.
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles.
this is one of the most bigoted posts i ever came across on jtf. Muman has been the first member i got in contact with through messages and ICQ since i joined jtf. And well i'm a gentile. so that really throws your allegations out of the window.
hindu zionists.i don't think muman said any provovcative thing.it is the spirit of his posts that is very distubing to many here.i don't have anything against him and i don't think he is provoke our christian memebers on purpose.but you agree with me that his anti christian bashing need to be stooped right?
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I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
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Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Christians you should place your name into the parts where he says "Christian". He's talking about you!
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
Well it doesnt seem to me that they hate Christianity. If giving historical references makes certain members uncomfortable, what can they do?
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I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
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Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Christians you should place your name into the parts where he says "Christian". He's talking about you!
Examples:
"I don't like Irish Zionist because of experience with people who believe like he does, and some experiences I have with Irish Zionist's religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Irish Zionist never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Irish Zionist's religion, and I follow it. So does Irish Zionist's religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
"I don't like Rubystars because of experience with people who believe like she does, and some experiences I have with Rubystars' religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Rubystars never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Rubystars' religion, and I follow it. So does Rubystars' religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
I don't understand the very last line of that post...at all.
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I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
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Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Christians you should place your name into the parts where he says "Christian". He's talking about you!
Examples:
"I don't like Irish Zionist because of experience with people who believe like he does, and some experiences I have with Irish Zionist's religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Irish Zionist never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Irish Zionist's religion, and I follow it. So does Irish Zionist's religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
"I don't like Rubystars because of experience with people who believe like she does, and some experiences I have with Rubystars' religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Rubystars never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Rubystars' religion, and I follow it. So does Rubystars' religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
I don't understand the very last line of that post...at all.
he said that he want to tell me the truth but the christian lobby will prvent it from him.
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
Well it doesnt seem to me that they hate Christianity. If giving historical references makes certain members uncomfortable, what can they do?
that is the point.by this historical references we are ruining ourselves ideologically.we need to look to the future not the past.and yes rea again ron's post.he is an anti-christian ilek no other.what do you say if would have replaced the word christian with the word hindu?
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles.
this is one of the most bigoted posts i ever came across on jtf. Muman has been the first member i got in contact with through messages and ICQ since i joined jtf. And well i'm a gentile. so that really throws your allegations out of the window.
hindu zionists.i don't think muman said any provovcative thing.it is the spirit of his posts that is very distubing to many here.i don't have anything against him and i don't think he is provoke our christian memebers on purpose.but you agree with me that his anti christian bashing need to be stooped right?
It is not in his nature to provoke or hate anybody.
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I don't like any believing Christians because of experience with them and some experiences I have with Christianity (once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but none of the Christians ever denied the anti-Semitism showed there).
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Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Christians you should place your name into the parts where he says "Christian". He's talking about you!
Examples:
"I don't like Irish Zionist because of experience with people who believe like he does, and some experiences I have with Irish Zionist's religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Irish Zionist never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Irish Zionist's religion, and I follow it. So does Irish Zionist's religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
"I don't like Rubystars because of experience with people who believe like she does, and some experiences I have with Rubystars' religion. Once, an example of the problem was posted in the forum, I don't remember where and when, but Rubystars never denied the anti-Semitism showed there). Judaism has a problem with Rubystars' religion, and I follow it. So does Rubystars' religion with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it). "
I don't understand the very last line of that post...at all.
he said that he want to tell me the truth but the christian lobby will prvent it from him.
what?
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
Well it doesnt seem to me that they hate Christianity. If giving historical references makes certain members uncomfortable, what can they do?
that is the point.by this historical references we are ruining ourselves ideologically.we need to look to the future not the past.and yes rea again ron's post.he is an anti-christian ilek no other.what do you say if would have replaced the word christian with the word hindu?
doesnt right wing nationalism mean also introspecting your history and heritage, and analyze what had gone through, and take precautions that future generations wouldnt have to go through those in future. Liberals forget their history and past, Nationalists dont
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support. The overall goal I see it is to get the Jewish people to support JTF, to make mass Aliyah to Israel, to create a strong Jewish government based on the Torah, and to fight all the evil which arises for us to fight...
This is nothing against the non-Jews here. I am sure that there are the righteous among nations who will all be with us when the Moshiach comes, and all the prophecies are realized. Every person, every faith, every human being on the planet has a purpose in the great scheme of things, and in the world to come.
I am proud that the mission of the Jewish people is to bring the light of Hashem into this world. I am also hoping that the righteous Jews are the light unto the nations which Moses implored us to be. I will continue to point out the histories of those who rose against us, and the subjugation and misery which my ancestors were put though for so many centuries. Antisemitism is one of the worst prejudices because it has no real cause, it is a supernatural hatred.
I don't harbor any grudges against those who speak against me because I know that my belief is the belief that the world will be rectified, it will be righteous and full of the light of Hashem... I have no doubt in my mind this will happen, with me or without me..
I am sorry if this topic had degenerated into another argument between the religions... I am not going to reprimand Ron though because I know that he too believes what I believe... I do not agree with him that the non-Jews have no place helping us here at JTF (if that is indeed what he thinks {I have not asked})... But I hope that everyone realizes what the issue with Christianity is to religious Jews...
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles.
this is one of the most bigoted posts i ever came across on jtf. Muman has been the first member i got in contact with through messages and ICQ since i joined jtf. And well i'm a gentile. so that really throws your allegations out of the window.
hindu zionists.i don't think muman said any provovcative thing.it is the spirit of his posts that is very distubing to many here.i don't have anything against him and i don't think he is provoke our christian memebers on purpose.but you agree with me that his anti christian bashing need to be stooped right?
It is not in his nature to provoke or hate anybody.
i din't say that is nature his provocative but rather the nature of his posts.
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
Well it doesnt seem to me that they hate Christianity. If giving historical references makes certain members uncomfortable, what can they do?
that is the point.by this historical references we are ruining ourselves ideologically.we need to look to the future not the past.and yes rea again ron's post.he is an anti-christian ilek no other.what do you say if would have replaced the word christian with the word hindu?
doesnt right wing nationalism mean also introspecting your history and heritage, and analyze what had gone through, and take precautions that future generations wouldnt have to go through those in future. Liberals forget their history and past, Nationalists dont
i meant that we need to look into the past it is unhealthy to let historical grudges to affet your decisions for the future.you know if we will harbour historical grudges we couldn't possibly work togheter and this is obviously not the case.
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As I said before, my mother (obm) converted to Torah Judaism in 1944, a few years before she met and married my father, who was a born Jew. Born Jews have no idea how hard it is for converts, esp. anyone who converted during WW2, when Jews were being murdered in Europe. For many years, until the 1980s, my mom was the only convert she knew, and born Jews (including my Jewish grandparents, sad to say) made life very difficult for her because they felt intimidated by a convert who knew more about Torah than they did.
Just so you know (you may already know this), born Jews, especially those who have assimilated to a certain extent (the extent which they on their own determined was appropriate, no more no less of course!) are also very intimidated by a descendant born-Jew who decides to embrace the religion and observance to a level greater than they and to know Torah greater than they, directly contrary to what they themselves decided. Also, the decision to reject the aspects of assimilation they have embraced also hurts them deeply and they make it well known. From what I've seen, a lot of times baalei teshuvah and gerim share similar types of experiences.
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Obviously not unfounded is it as cjd agrees with my post.
Muman, Ron etc imo hate chrstians. They can deny it till their blue in the face but its true. if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather...
You are in no place to judge.
I won't speak for the others, but you're climbing up the wrong tree here. I see from the beginning when you joined the forum your goal was to set the Jews in here against each other, set Torah Jews against secular, or Torah Jews against gentiles now. This is not a wise strategy for you. Your time may be limited here. I have nothing but respect for our gentile members on this site (except for the clowns like yourself who spout neo-nazi-like beliefs or make excuses for others who do), and gentiles deserve respect. Your suggestion that I "hate" people here chas veshalom or am not tolerant, is complete nonsense. Your comments about me now, like the ones you've made in the past have nothing to do with what I actually post here on the forum. Do you think you can get away with baselessly slandering me in ways that contradict the actual things I say here?
As to your "assessments" about who is righteous and who isn't - Who do you think you are? God will do the judging and someone so arrogant won't fare well. You ought to fix your ways before it's too late. And even faster than that, you ought to straighten yourself out as a member of this forum because we'll kick you out of here far sooner than you'll get to know God's reward and punishment.
Consider yourself warned.
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C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles.
this is one of the most bigoted posts i ever came across on jtf. Muman has been the first member i got in contact with through messages and ICQ since i joined jtf. And well i'm a gentile. so that really throws your allegations out of the window.
hindu zionists.i don't think muman said any provovcative thing.it is the spirit of his posts that is very distubing to many here.i don't have anything against him and i don't think he is provoke our christian memebers on purpose.but you agree with me that his anti christian bashing need to be stooped right?
It is not in his nature to provoke or hate anybody.
i din't say that is nature his provocative but rather the nature of his posts.
You are inciting people to fight. You are way too involved with this thread even though what you should do is stay out of it.
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C4J, I have to disagree with you about Ron, KahanewasRight, and Muman, etc. All are righteous Jews and non are "Black Lovers" as you call it. All three are extremely intelligent, more religious than me, and love all righteous people gentile or Jew.
While everyone has the right to disagree on certain things here, certain respect needs to be given to each other when disagreeing and this is where I agree with you and other members. I don't think Muman has ever been rude or disrespectful to gentiles, but then again, I'm not a gentile to be offended by what he has written in the past. I know that Muman is not a snob as I know in real life he gets along with all of his neighbors. I think it is too bad that you don't like him and I my advice is that for the both of you get it off your chest in private message and work things out on how you want him to talk to you and vice versa in the future. Muman is more than a reasonable person that will listen and take heed...the question is, are you the same?
KahanewasRight has never done or said anything wrong and I notice more people put words in his mouth and they shouldn't. I sometimes see the same things done with Ron.
Now with Ron, there is a history of him speaking the way he speaks and his opinion is known. Ron, this is for you...work on the polite respectful talk to our Christian friends. You are free to have the opinions you have and to say them, but my recommendation is to say it nicely and politely to our friends in JTF. I know it's not the Israeli thing to be so polite and nice, but believe me, it will take you long way especially if you are looking for friends and allies to respect anything else you might need to say in the future.
As far as me and Ron, I have no problem with him and I like him as a person and poster and have a lot of respect for him..Then again, I'm Jewish so I'm obviously not going to be offended very often. My only plea to you, Ron, is to tone it down a bit or just be polite when you disagree. With Ben, I don't expect you to be polite for obvious reasons.
C4J..this is completely unfounded...shame on you.
Muman loves black people, i cant take what he says seriously...
And I don't take what you say seriously either... Do you think anyone cares what you think?
Since when did I say that I love black people? I said that there are good black people who are righteous Jews. I guess you don't know the difference between a good person and a bad one... They are all the same to self-righteous bigoted blow-hards like yourself..
More evidence the guy wants every gentile on this forum gone...CJD was right...thank goodness chaims our leader and not you...
Obviously not unfounded is it as cjd agrees with my post.
Muman, Ron etc imo hate chrstians. They can deny it till their blue in the face but its true. if i am being brutally honest i think ben is a far more rightous jew, than jtf kahane was right, muman, and ron put togather. People call him a bigot yet he is alot ore tolerant of gentiles then these so called veteran members.
i think chaims brilliant but giving people like ron and especially muman who shows no repsect towards gentiles. I never preach christianity on here, and alot of my religous questions(towards chaim on ask jtf) have always involved the torah(Tanach to me). Yet it seems fair game that black worshippers like ron and muman get a free range to literally slate christianity.
I think you need to stop defending muman, realise that the forum is not as active because of people like him, and perhaps we would get more gentile members which would only help chaims cause.
What i loved about this movement was the fact that people of different faiths and countries all wanted the same thing. But less than a hand full of members on here are ruining chaim chance to expand his movement.
I might get slated for this but i think alot of gentiles will be pleased i said this, as i can see cracks in the coolest of members starting to show. So since i am probabl the least liked gentile, its best i say this.
BTW if you must know my fav posters are jewish, new york, jtfamericanpatriot, gematria.
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will prove he is righthouse (the blacks,muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentiles in the movement.
You're an opportunist. You seize every disagreement and every discussion here to attack Ron and call for banning certain "undesirables" you wish weren't on the forum. It's funny how you come in here and instigate thinking you know what's best for the movement when a few days ago you didn't even know that nazis shouldn't be "tolerated" here.
Why you do this is very transparent, but I'm not going to get into this nonsense with you here.
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I disagree with Chaim's ideas on this just like most of the members here disagre with Rabbi Kahane on Germany (ysv"s). He himself said I have the right to disagree with him (not that's relavent anymore). Judaism has a problem with Christianity, and I follow it. So does Christianity with Judaism and you follow it (and I know what I'm talking about, but I guess the Christian-worshippers here would do anything to stop me from revealing it).
Whether you like it or not, your attacks against me are biased and have 0 evidence in reality - therefore, you're a biased tool used by the forum's Christian community just because I'm not very popular among it.
MY Christianity has NEVER had a problem with Judaism so don't throw those of US here on JTF into YOUR category.
This may be a point that you are neglecting to consider, Ron. There are different forms of Christianity today.
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This 'you are my favorite member' crap has got to stop. It's in the exact same spirit as the provocation with which our Christian members are complaining. It's starting to be a real turnoff. At first it was funny, now it's just a reminder of how silly aspects of this forum are becoming.
The next step is going to be a time out corner in my head for people that are consistently provocative with their posts.
Indeed, this is what allowing the kiddies on the forum produces. However, I will repeat what I've said before, JTF needs to establish standards and guidelines to maintain the quality of the site, even despite the potential character of some of its members as it expands. I have seen other successful forums where they are very exacting about certain basic groundrules. Without doing so, the forum takes on the character of its lowest common denominator and becomes an intolerable place for most people including longtime members.
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Look Muman, Ron, and anyone else, you guys should separate your disliking of Christianity and your disliking of Christians. The former is understandable, the latter is not.
And If you don't believe the sincerity of Christians who support the Jewish people, well that's your choice, but still you can be decent ans polite. I challenge you to quote any great rabbi who instructs Jews to provoke and insult goyim who actually try to be nice and friendly with Jews.
Zelhar, I think you put this well, and I would say I have to agree with you on this.
What you say in general is true, but all the moreso for good people we have gotten to know on this site, whom we already know are not out to hurt us but regularly demonstrate they want to work together. I honestly don't see what the problem or the big hangup is. Maybe it's my upbringing and how my parents raised me, but people deserve respect unless proven otherwise. All the moreso when they have proven they deserve respect. If people here are afraid of "alterior motives" or other such things, that can be true of any members, including supposedly (or actually) Jewish ones, so we have to avoid paranoia and leave that up to Hashem in my opinion. We can only do our best to discern in each case who is sincere and who isn't. I see a great many sincere people on this forum.
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Except nobody listens...One continues to accuse and the other has no choice but to defend...and then someone needs to have the last word...it's just a waste...
I'm here trying to defend my friends on both sides and yet one has to throw another punch...I mean if one can't control it, just do it over PM.
I ask for respect and cooperaton and yet I continue to see the same people bickering and pointing fingers.
This type of stubborness is very bad when it is with family and loved ones. That energy should be used against those who want to destroy the Jewish peope eg self hating Jews, Muslims, Nazis.
Thank you, Dr. Dan. I certainly agree with Chaim's opinion that you are a voice of wisdom and common sense.
What you conveyed is something I have been trying to stress in many posts here in the JTF Forum and on ZooTube when the focus becomes fighting against each other than against the Leftists, Muslims, Nazis/ 911 Inside Job Conspiracy Freaks.
Everyone should realize that when we are divided on the Core of JTF, it chases away BOTH Jews and Non-Jews. And it makes people, including myself, much more reluctant to mention JTF to people ( both Jews and Non-Jews ) who would be potential good members. The amount of Monetary support that this infighting can cost JTF is SUBSTANTIAL. More than some can even imagine. I proudly support the vision of JTF that reflects the vision of the late and great Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim.
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
I disagree with the assertion that JTF is "relying on the gentiles" for support. We are simply working together. There is a big difference. Chaim has many times explained the concept of relying on the nations and how wrong that is for the Jewish people. That is a message JTF does not stray from. So with that perspective in mind, there can still be cooperation and mutual help of the nations/gentiles toward common goals.
Aside from that Muman, I know your heart is in the right place and I hope some of those upset with you will be willing to work toward more of a mutual understanding. Furthermore, we both know that the sages urge us to be careful with our words. That is much easier done in person than on a forum like this where typing away can feel like a free-for-all and sometimes a more anonymous venue, however, working on developing that sensitivity here as well can perhaps lead to greater understanding between people and less perceived insult or offense. Words are very powerful here as well. I think we should all keep that in mind.
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
I disagree with the assertion that JTF is "relying on the gentiles" for support. We are simply working together. There is a big difference. Chaim has many times explained the concept of relying on the nations and how wrong that is for the Jewish people. That is a message JTF does not stray from. So with that perspective in mind, there can still be cooperation and mutual help of the nations/gentiles.
Thank you KWRBT for this and other posts in this thread. God bless you for your kind thoughts, words, and common sense!
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Thank you KWRBT
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
I disagree with the assertion that JTF is "relying on the gentiles" for support. We are simply working together. There is a big difference. Chaim has many times explained the concept of relying on the nations and how wrong that is for the Jewish people. That is a message JTF does not stray from. So with that perspective in mind, there can still be cooperation and mutual help of the nations/gentiles.
Thank you KWRBT for this and other posts in this thread. G-d bless you for your kind thoughts, words, and common sense!
Your welcome and God bless you as well.
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What Ron and Muman have often written about Christians is obviously not JTF policy. Especially the tone of their remarks.
Ron himself explains in this thread that he disagrees with me on this issue.
Muman also clearly disagrees. Muman has often mentioned the many groups that he generously contributes to. He has never contributed a penny to JTF. Muman also has urged other people to contribute to various causes. Again, I have not seen him urge people to give to JTF.
There are people on this forum with different opinions. They obviously do not agree with me and they do not represent JTF.
My question is: why would that make people so uncomfortable? I am not going to ban members just because they disagree with me.
A lot of people write things here that I strongly disagree with. "Jewish American Patriot" in her latest post even defends Mussolini. And she writes that the Jews she knows are not nice enough to Gentiles. The truth is that no people on the face of the earth suck up to everyone as much as the Jews. But according to JAP, the Jews she knows don't suck up enough. Now we understand why for 2000 years there were Crusades, Inquisitions, forced conversions, massive rape of Jewish women, pogroms and finally the holocaust. It's because Jews weren't nice enough.
We have all types of different views on this forum. But JTF's position is clear: we work with righteous people of all nations. We want a coalition of righteous Jews and righteous Gentiles to save America, Israel and Western civilization from Islam and from the establishment traitors in the news media, Hollywood and the multinational corporations. That is what JTF stands for. Those members expressing a different view are speaking only for themselves. And I think it is clear from the posts, that the vast majority of our members agree with me on what JTF should stand for. The vast majority of our Jewish and Gentile members agree that JTF must be an organization where we all fight together with mutual respect and love to make this a better world.
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temporary bans sound good to me when this provocations are done in public..in private, it's none of yours my my business.
This 'you are my favorite member' crap has got to stop. It's in the exact same spirit as the provocation with which our Christian members are complaining. It's starting to be a real turnoff. At first it was funny, now it's just a reminder of how silly aspects of this forum are becoming.
The next step is going to be a time out corner in my head for people that are consistently provocative with their posts.
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support. The overall goal I see it is to get the Jewish people to support JTF, to make mass Aliyah to Israel, to create a strong Jewish government based on the Torah, and to fight all the evil which arises for us to fight...
This is nothing against the non-Jews here. I am sure that there are the righteous among nations who will all be with us when the Moshiach comes, and all the prophecies are realized. Every person, every faith, every human being on the planet has a purpose in the great scheme of things, and in the world to come.
I am proud that the mission of the Jewish people is to bring the light of Hashem into this world. I am also hoping that the righteous Jews are the light unto the nations which Moses implored us to be. I will continue to point out the histories of those who rose against us, and the subjugation and misery which my ancestors were put though for so many centuries. Antisemitism is one of the worst prejudices because it has no real cause, it is a supernatural hatred.
I don't harbor any grudges against those who speak against me because I know that my belief is the belief that the world will be rectified, it will be righteous and full of the light of Hashem... I have no doubt in my mind this will happen, with me or without me..
I am sorry if this topic had degenerated into another argument between the religions... I am not going to reprimand Ron though because I know that he too believes what I believe... I do not agree with him that the non-Jews have no place helping us here at JTF (if that is indeed what he thinks {I have not asked})... But I hope that everyone realizes what the issue with Christianity is to religious Jews...
I'm sorry too Muman and I am VERY sad for you, to believe you will have NO friends in the end that are NOT Jewish. I have always been, and will always be, a friend to the Jews with NO ulterior motives. Do you find it THAT unbelieveable that a non Jew can want the same EXACT thing for Jews as you do?
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Re: "I have a problem with x, y, or z"
I am so disgusted with the ongoing immaturity here on this forum that I quite literally am at a loss for words in how to respond to it.
I left this forum for an entire year because of this same type of behavior by members, only just very recently coming back.
There are some types of people, regardless of race, color, or creed, who enjoy infighting, backstabbing, power grabbing, divisiveness, and other such foolishness.
To these types of persons it doesn't matter if this forum or its members are Jewish, Atheist, Christian, Mohammedan, or Communist -- they are only content when embroiling themselves and others in petty and pointless infighting.
A full three fourths of the forum is taken up now every day by the same three or four individuals' personally directed attacks at each other.
Each minute of the day wasted with this nonsense is allowing Nazi/Moslems time to re-arm, re-load, and infiltrate deeper.
More than a few times I have read strongly worded posts here authored by Jewish members expressing total opposition to every single thing that Rabbi Kahane believed and taught.
I might just have to conclude, sadly, that JTF is a miniscule group of backbiters from a Jewish background, who share no ideology or purpose, joined by a very small contingent of faithful Christian Believers who support us in spite of ourselves.
What a difficult and argumentive people are we Jews.
Almost as disunited as our Nazi/Moslem enemies.
It's truly pathetic.
:'(
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support. The overall goal I see it is to get the Jewish people to support JTF, to make mass Aliyah to Israel, to create a strong Jewish government based on the Torah, and to fight all the evil which arises for us to fight...
This is nothing against the non-Jews here. I am sure that there are the righteous among nations who will all be with us when the Moshiach comes, and all the prophecies are realized. Every person, every faith, every human being on the planet has a purpose in the great scheme of things, and in the world to come.
I am proud that the mission of the Jewish people is to bring the light of Hashem into this world. I am also hoping that the righteous Jews are the light unto the nations which Moses implored us to be. I will continue to point out the histories of those who rose against us, and the subjugation and misery which my ancestors were put though for so many centuries. Antisemitism is one of the worst prejudices because it has no real cause, it is a supernatural hatred.
I don't harbor any grudges against those who speak against me because I know that my belief is the belief that the world will be rectified, it will be righteous and full of the light of Hashem... I have no doubt in my mind this will happen, with me or without me..
I am sorry if this topic had degenerated into another argument between the religions... I am not going to reprimand Ron though because I know that he too believes what I believe... I do not agree with him that the non-Jews have no place helping us here at JTF (if that is indeed what he thinks {I have not asked})... But I hope that everyone realizes what the issue with Christianity is to religious Jews...
I'm sorry too Muman and I am VERY sad for you, to believe you will have NO friends in the end that are NOT Jewish. I have always been, and will always be, a friend to the Jews with NO ulterior motives. Do you find it THAT unbelieveable that a non Jew can want the same EXACT thing for Jews as you do?
Hi Arksis...
I dont want to get into theology with you my friend... I really try to make my mission the mission of the Jewish people, which is to learn Torah, to try to live by those standards, and to teach it to others. If the nations want to learn from the Jews how to be close to Hashem, then I am willing to teach what I have learned... If there are other motives then I try to distance myself from those motives...
I can believe that there are non-Jews who want the same thing as Jews. Usually I notice that these people end up either wanting to become Noachides, or go the entire 9-yards and convert to Judaism. I am not one to try to convert everyone, but I do hope that when the 'end' is near that many more non-Jews see the light and join us in our belief in the ONE G-d of Israel {and all that entails}...
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What Ron and Muman have often written about Christians is obviously not JTF policy. Especially the tone of their remarks.
Ron himself explains in this thread that he disagrees with me on this issue.
Muman also clearly disagrees. Muman has often mentioned the many groups that he generously contributes to. He has never contributed a penny to JTF. Muman also has urged other people to contribute to various causes. Again, I have not seen him urge people to give to JTF.
There are people on this forum with different opinions. They obviously do not agree with me and they do not represent JTF.
My question is: why would that make people so uncomfortable? I am not going to ban members just because they disagree with me.
A lot of people write things here that I strongly disagree with. "Jewish American Patriot" in her latest post even defends Mussolini. And she writes that the Jews she knows are not nice enough to Gentiles. The truth is that no people on the face of the earth suck up to everyone as much as the Jews. But according to JAP, the Jews she knows don't suck up enough. Now we understand why for 2000 years there were Crusades, Inquisitions, forced conversions, massive rape of Jewish women, pogroms and finally the holocaust. It's because Jews weren't nice enough.
We have all types of different views on this forum. But JTF's position is clear: we work with righteous people of all nations. We want a coalition of righteous Jews and righteous Gentiles to save America, Israel and Western civilization from Islam and from the establishment traitors in the news media, Hollywood and the multinational corporations. That is what JTF stands for. Those members expressing a different view are speaking only for themselves. And I think it is clear from the posts, that the vast majority of our members agree with me on what JTF should stand for. The vast majority of our Jewish and Gentile members agree that JTF must be an organization where we all fight together with mutual respect and love to make this a better world.
Amen Chaim Ben Pesach! God Bless you and thank you! Now let's ALL stand together and remember WHY we're here! :dance:
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And what exactly are you saying Chaim that I have said which you disagree with? And what Tone? I have simply defended myself again and again from people who don't really understand the history of the Jewish people. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. In this thread I started by saying that Italy has a long history of oppressing the Jew, I provided historical evidence that this is the case, and nobody contradicted what I said... I did not say that this is a reason to hate anyone... It was provided because there is reason to look to history to see the future...
I am interested in what you are talking about.
And Chaim, as much as I love you as a Jew, I find that your Lashon Hara against me is questionable...
Chaim, if you would like please write me in PM...
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Polite rapists.
:::D Oh, please.
I laughed at that one too.
me too.come on.let's ban those who preach hatred for each other religions.i personally don't have any problems to work with any jew as long as he is not neturi karta and with any gentile as long as he isn't black and muslim (unless he will prove he is righthouse (the blacks,muslims aren't righthouse by definition)).and come on if you think you are being accused for nothing say in public that do you think we need gentiles in the movement.
You're an opportunist. You seize every disagreement and every discussion here to attack Ron and call for banning certain "undesirables" you wish weren't on the forum. It's funny how you come in here and instigate thinking you know what's best for the movement when a few days ago you didn't even know that nazis shouldn't be "tolerated" here.
Why you do this is very transparent, but I'm not going to get into this nonsense with you here.
and again,you are acussing me for no reason.i was one of the first to call for peace here.
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Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end...
Muman, I'm no expert, but it sounds to me like what you refer to is speaking about the nations in general, as in, the various countries and powers of the world (ie, US, Britain, EU, russia, arab countries etc). In that case, I don't think its sensible to extend that to include every single gentile. Will every gentile agree with their nation's govt when the countries raise up their hands against Jerusalem (this is the prophecy you refer to right?) ? There will be no disagreements or dissenting voices or domestic political opposition? That sounds quite far-fetched and unlikely. It seems to me this prophecy is already beginning to come true, all the nations including the Israeli regime is calling for division of Jerusalem and/or carrying it out to hand over the capital to our enemies, yet we see people on this very forum who disagree with Obama's evil plans, and many people do not want to see it happen. I don't think its sensible to view this prophecy in this manner - as if every non Jewish person will suddenly unite in their ideology and adopt the most evil cause without exception. This does not seem to me logical or consistent with how the world works and how we experience it.
Even when people were swept up with nazi hysteria there were righteous gentiles who were diamonds in the rough that helped save Jews and harbor them. I'm sure our members here would like to emulate and be like those righteous individuals when the "push comes to shove" regarding these prophecies. So I see no reason why they should all be assumed under the same umbrella.
What do you think?
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And what exactly are you saying Chaim that I have said which you disagree with? And what Tone? I have simply defended myself again and again from people who don't really understand the history of the Jewish people. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. In this thread I started by saying that Italy has a long history of oppressing the Jew, I provided historical evidence that this is the case, and nobody contradicted what I said... I did not say that this is a reason to hate anyone... It was provided because there is reason to look to history to see the future...
I am interested in what you are talking about.
And Chaim, as much as I love you as a Jew, I find that your Lashon Hara against me is questionable...
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Your tone has often created an atmosphere where our Gentile members feel uncomfortable. I love you as a fellow Jew but this has caused problems for our movement.
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And what exactly are you saying Chaim that I have said which you disagree with? And what Tone? I have simply defended myself again and again from people who don't really understand the history of the Jewish people. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. In this thread I started by saying that Italy has a long history of oppressing the Jew, I provided historical evidence that this is the case, and nobody contradicted what I said... I did not say that this is a reason to hate anyone... It was provided because there is reason to look to history to see the future...
I am interested in what you are talking about.
And Chaim, as much as I love you as a Jew, I find that your Lashon Hara against me is questionable...
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Your tone has often created an atmosphere where our Gentile members feel uncomfortable. I love you as a fellow Jew but this has caused problems for our movement.
Chaim,
I will say once again I have no intention to make any JTF member in good standing uncomfortable. A friend of Chaims is a friend of mine I am willing to say.
I will try to figure out why my tone is so upsetting to some... As I said before I seek to be like Aaron, a man of peace...
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion,
see, this is what i am on about. What terrible usage of words. Why not just say what chaim says, "im a jew, craig wins a christian". Thats all he says. He never did the videos with craig winn and say "i have deep problems with the religion, but lets crack on with the videos craig".
He is continually having digs at chistianity. Since this is a jewish forum, i feel he is abusing is power that we cannot argue back so he throws up these terribly worded phrases against christianity. If i am being honest i prefer Ron, at least you know where you stand with Ron. He doesnt like christianity, he makes that clear and i repsect that more. Wheras muman does this sly little digs, that when confronted about them will try and palm them off.
I notice hindu zionist was calling me a bigot, but be honest hindu zionist, if muman had said "i have no problems with hindus, but i have deep problems with their religion", that would isolate you. you should be greatful you dont get these pathetic little digs at your faith.
Another example is the jews for jesus fella dying. i thought the thread was done in very poor form, and again isolating for the christian gentiles imo. Using dancing men as celebrations etc. i can see that you dont want jews converting jews towards jesus, but they way you celebrated was very distateful and looks terrible for gentile onlookers, especially christians.
What is the point of chaim doing great vids with christians such as pastor manning, and craig winn, when you have horrific posters such muman, Ron,Kahane is right slating christianity at any given oportunity.
And its not just gentiles, doctor brennan fan has been very damaging to the movment and often sucks up to those 3 named above. Take the two new coherant members one jew and one christian, germatria and that christian guy. The welcoming they got was terrible. Thank goodness chaim was there to back them up, but i wouldnt be surprised if both have been put off. Which is a disgrace as they were going to be very active posters.
IMO We ned some clarity, is this strictly a jewish movement, or a movement Where both jews and gentiles work in peace and harmony to save israel and western civilisation.
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c4j,
Do not deny that there are basic theological differences between our faiths. I will not continue discussing it in the hope that we can move on...
Regarding J4J, the JTF position on this is clear, I believe Chaim will once again say that Missionaries are viewed as evil by the Jewish people. We have every right to celebrate the death of a murderer of Jewish souls. I believe Chaim himself posted that he was happy that that evil man died.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46061.0.html
Chaims Response :
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46061.msg440573.html#msg440573
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Baruch Hashem!
If he thought prostate cancer was rough, that is nothing compared to his current problems in the next world. He is in a very warm place, and he will be staying there forever.
And C4J, you are very good at causing divisions amongst Jews... Do you practice that? It is just strange that you single out some of the three most religious and studied Jews of this forum..
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Had everyone forgotten the Golden Rule?
Thank you, arksis.
You are one of the best people I have EVER known.
Yes, Arksis is a very lovely lady.
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well said, KahaneWasRight
I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion, but I am willing to look aside from that, in the spirit of working for a common goal.
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
I disagree with the assertion that JTF is "relying on the gentiles" for support. We are simply working together. There is a big difference. Chaim has many times explained the concept of relying on the nations and how wrong that is for the Jewish people. That is a message JTF does not stray from. So with that perspective in mind, there can still be cooperation and mutual help of the nations/gentiles toward common goals.
Aside from that Muman, I know your heart is in the right place and I hope some of those upset with you will be willing to work toward more of a mutual understanding. Furthermore, we both know that the sages urge us to be careful with our words. That is much easier done in person than on a forum like this where typing away can feel like a free-for-all and sometimes a more anonymous venue, however, working on developing that sensitivity here as well can perhaps lead to greater understanding between people and less perceived insult or offense. Words are very powerful here as well. I think we should all keep that in mind.
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Chaim, I was not "defending" Mussolini, simply pointing out the historical record. I've studied the history of the Jews in Italy, esp. Fascist Italy, to a great degree, not only because of my family background but because I am a historian. I used him as an example to show that even the one Italian most people assume was the most antisemitic (because he aligned with Hitler) was not truly a Jew hater. His aligning with Germany was a major mistake for other reasons, too: there is a long history of dislike between Germans and Italians (its complicated), and many Italians lost respect for him when he did that.
As for why Italians don't seem to be as antisemitic as other Europeans (I think that was part of the original focus of the thread), I suspect it has a lot to do with (in Southern Italy, anyway) the fact that Italian men tend to be not only non-religious, but often, anti-religious (as in anti-clerical).
In Southern Italy, the priests and church hierarchy would often side with the landowners for whom most poor Italian men worked as laborers and farmers. This led southern Italian men to see the church as 'the enemy'. This is why usually the women are the churchgoers.
Anyway, I think the lack of desire to do what the church says kept many Italians from adopting church teachings that focused on Jews as well.
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion,
see, this is what i am on about.
Here we go.... You never know when to stop do you.
Muman said nothing wrong here. You are trying to stir the pot when Muman is trying to move on. You are instigating, plain and simple.
What terrible usage of words. Why not just say what chaim says, "im a jew, craig wins a christian". Thats all he says. He never did the videos with craig winn and say "i have deep problems with the religion, but lets crack on with the videos craig".
He is continually having digs at chistianity. Since this is a jewish forum, i feel he is abusing is power that we cannot argue back so he throws up these terribly worded phrases against christianity.
Awww, want to cry about it? :'( :'( :'( What do you mean "cannot argue back?" Quit playing victim. You are fully capable of pressing the "reply" button like anyone else, Jew or Gentile.
at least you know where you stand with Ron.
Earlier in the thread you called him bigoted and later in this same post you call him "horrific."
You are such a dishonest animal. You really make me sick.
I notice hindu zionist was calling me a bigot, but be honest hindu zionist, if muman had said "i have no problems with hindus, but i have deep problems with their religion", that would isolate you. you should be greatful you dont get these pathetic little digs at your faith.
Hindu Zionist is under no illusions here. Hinduism is unacceptable for a Jew, and from what I have seen, he doesn't have any interest in marketing Hinduism to Jews. That said, Hindu zionist is fully capable of speaking for himself and doesn't need you putting words in his mouth.
Another example is the jews for jesus fella dying. i thought the thread was done in very poor form, and again isolating for the christian gentiles imo. Using dancing men as celebrations etc. i can see that you dont want jews converting jews towards jesus, but they way you celebrated was very distateful and looks terrible for gentile onlookers, especially christians.
Once again you speak from a place of ignorance and despite having no idea what this movement is about or where we stand on the issues, you simply jump on an opportunity (or at least what you see as one in your warped mind) to attack the members here whom you don't like. You didn't bother to read Chaim's comment about that thread, obviously. He said quite emphatically how we should celebrate the death of this evil person and that JTF is an anti-missionary organization. If you don't like that, too bad. No one has to cater to your emotions because those are the non-negotiable principles, as they should be for every Jew. Missionaries are evil deceptive liars.
What is the point of chaim doing great vids with christians such as pastor manning, and craig winn, when you have horrific posters such muman, Ron,Kahane is right slating christianity at any given oportunity.
Here you go again with the name-calling and flame wars. This forum is not your personal diary nor your "rubber room" for you to smear your filth all over the place without repercussions. If you have a problem with something I've said, QUOTE ME. I challenge you. Go ahead and quote anything I've said here. I don't think any of the members here have a problem with me, except you. You have not been worthy of the term "member" since the beginning, though. You are merely putting on display a childish, immature, vengeful, divisive act and have come here to disrupt, not to debate.
So you won't quote me because intellectual cowards never do.
Take the two new coherant members
Irony. You mean coherent.
IMO We ned some clarity, is this strictly a jewish movement,
No one said it was, you insecure freak. I've had about enough of this guy. When will we decide enough is enough and it is time to enforce quality standards? Your ice gets thinner by the minute buddy!
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I should we should follow Chaim's lead here. I and other people have said this before, this is coalition work, if we have nothing to say that is nice about someone's deeply felt religious ideas, we should say nothing. Obviously this doesn't apply to things like missionizing, but this is approaching ever increasing levels of toxicity to the forum.
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I should we should follow Chaim's lead here. I and other people have said this before, this is coalition work, if we have nothing to say that is nice about someone's deeply felt religious ideas, we should say nothing. Obviously this doesn't apply to things like missionizing, but this approaching ever increasing levels of toxicity to this forum.
I believe I am following Chaim's lead here, and I think all the people in this thread can basically move on and work together with one exception, there's a fly in the soup.
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Muman wrote:
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
Relying on the nations is one thing. That prophet Bilam said "Lo, this is a nation that shall dwell alone." And that's true when we see countries like the US, turning against Israel. But as I see it, there's a difference between "the nations" and individuals who post here and express their good will. What's wrong with showing them some appreciation without rubbing our differences in their faces? That, to me, doesn't sound like depending on nations for support. Accepting foreign aid from America and other countries is "relying on other nations." Not killing Arab terrorists for fear of what other countries will say is also "relying on the nations." Accepting the first blow in wartime and casualties of your soldiers, so as not to offend the U.S. is also "relying on the nations." So if some INDIVIDUALS who are not Jewish want to post here and wish us well, what's the problem?
Furthermore, Chaim's activities in the JDL were not the actions of a Jew relying on the nations. Nor was all the time he spent in prison and on probation relying on other nations, or his founding of this movement. So that whole argument does not fly with me.
On another note, if someone here were to say "I don't hate Jews...I have deep problems with the religion, I think the Jewish members would be pretty offended. It's certainly a dig. Now with that being said, I'm not trying to sugarcoat the bad things done by Christians in the past in the name of Christianity. I think everyone here will agree that what was done in the past to Jews was very bad.
So getting back to what Dr. Dan wrote earlier, there are good and bad people in every nation. For those of you who would prefer that we didn't work with Christians and other non-Jews, at least try and be polite, and accept the fact that you won't agree with everyone here about everything. The forum would be a much better, happier place as a result.
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Muman wrote:
Our religion teaches us that the nations will not be true friends in the end... We should, the Jewish people, should never ever, ever rely on the nations to support them in their wars for the Holy Land. The fact that JTF is doing so is a questionable one, but one which I agree is required in order to get more support.
Relying on the nations is one thing. That prophet Bilam said "Lo, this is a nation that shall dwell alone." And that's true when we see countries like the US, turning against Israel. But as I see it, there's a difference between "the nations" and individuals who post here and express their good will. What's wrong with showing them some appreciation without rubbing our differences in their faces? That, to me, doesn't sound like depending on nations for support. Accepting foreign aid from America and other countries is "relying on other nations." Not killing Arab terrorists for fear of what other countries will say is also "relying on the nations." Accepting the first blow in wartime and casualties of your soldiers, so as not to offend the U.S. is also "relying on the nations." So if some INDIVIDUALS who are not Jewish want to post here and wish us well, what's the problem?
Furthermore, Chaim's activities in the JDL were not the actions of a Jew relying on the nations. Nor was all the time he spent in prison and on probation relying on other nations, or his founding of this movement. So that whole argument does not fly with me.
On another note, if someone here were to say "I don't hate Jews...I have deep problems with the religion, I think the Jewish members would be pretty offended. It's certainly a dig. Now with that being said, I'm not trying to sugarcoat the bad things done by Christians in the past in the name of Christianity. I think everyone here will agree that what was done in the past to Jews was very bad.
So getting back to what Dr. Dan wrote earlier, there are good and bad people in every nation. For those of you who would prefer that we didn't work with Christians and other non-Jews, at least try and be polite, and accept the fact that you won't agree with everyone here about everything. The forum would be a much better, happier place as a result.
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Lisa, you just summed up our position far better than I could.
Not relying on the nations does not mean not working with חסידי אומות העולם (the righteous among the nations). We are obligated to work with the righteous Gentiles. That is what "a light unto the nations" means. What we are forbidden to do is create alliances with evil foreign governments and then rely upon them for our survival instead of relying upon G-d. And yes, even the U.S. government under Barack Hussein Osama is evil.
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I just think it is very important not to offend any Christian friends we have here. I have seen probably well-meaning Jews insult Christian allies to their face by calling their deity and religion horrible names, and to be honest, I don't know why the Christians just take it. I know I wouldn't.
I think too often, we as a people make enemies where we previously did not have them, because we just can't accept that some Gentiles do mean well (for so many centuries all they wanted was to kill us or convert us, so its hard to think that any can be decent.)
But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
I have always tried to be respectful to others in my life, and when I do, I find Christians treat me very well. As my mom used to say, You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. ;D
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Regarding J4J, the JTF position on this is clear, I believe Chaim will once again say that Missionaries are viewed as evil by the Jewish people. We have every right to celebrate the death of a murderer of Jewish souls. I believe Chaim himself posted that he was happy that that evil man died.
What does J4J have to do with the Christians on JTF?
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Regarding J4J, the JTF position on this is clear, I believe Chaim will once again say that Missionaries are viewed as evil by the Jewish people. We have every right to celebrate the death of a murderer of Jewish souls. I believe Chaim himself posted that he was happy that that evil man died.
What does J4J have to do with the Christians on JTF?
Hopefully nothing... But C4J said he was offended by the fact that we rejoiced in the death of the wicked leader of J4J... I simply pointed out that this kind of thing, missionizing, is a serious issue to Jews and to the Jewish people...
Another example is the jews for jesus fella dying. i thought the thread was done in very poor form, and again isolating for the christian gentiles imo. Using dancing men as celebrations etc. i can see that you dont want jews converting jews towards jesus, but they way you celebrated was very distateful and looks terrible for gentile onlookers, especially christians.
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You're right...But you know what? It's not wise to be up in everyone's face especially in person unless it's a confrontation or they were to start it first.
I think that if someone had the stomach to have an honest discussion about theology, then everything would be fine. Best if we wanted to have discussions about religion and theology and disagree about it, to approach it politely with our friends and not head butt each other.
I just think it is very important not to offend any Christian friends we have here. I have seen probably well-meaning Jews insult Christian allies to their face by calling their deity and religion horrible names, and to be honest, I don't know why the Christians just take it. I know I wouldn't.
I think too often, we as a people make enemies where we previously did not have them, because we just can't accept that some Gentiles do mean well (for so many centuries all they wanted was to kill us or convert us, so its hard to think that any can be decent.)
But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
I have always tried to be respectful to others in my life, and when I do, I find Christians treat me very well. As my mom used to say, You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. ;D
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CAN We all agree to politely disagree and say:
THE END
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I hope this is the end of it. This thread has actually made me feel very sad.
I'm very happy to know that individuals who disagree with the JTF position are only speaking for themselves. Thank you Chaim, Lisa, Dr. Dan, Kahane was Right, and other level-headed folks for contributing good posts to this thread.
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I do not hate any Christians... I have deep problems with the religion,
I notice hindu zionist was calling me a bigot, but be honest hindu zionist, if muman had said "i have no problems with hindus, but i have deep problems with their religion", that would isolate you. you should be greatful you dont get these pathetic little digs at your faith.
when i had joined JTF, some christian members did take a dig at me, I was called a Nazi, Shwazi, browny, dot head, barbaric tribal pagan Hindu, who were made to be civilized by Colonial British... by AmericanHero and one more member from here, whose name i dont wish to take, since things have settled down and I have chosen to move on. My purpose on JTF is not for argumentative purpose. We are all Gentiles here on this forum, and if we claim to be righteous Gentile, then first care should be taken that no disrespect be shown to views of Jewish members. I welcome their views even if it is Ben. But you are still running in a loop, showing distrust with jewish members, which i find totally disappointing.
and conclude.
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Right! Hindus do not have any wheel to grind against anybody except for the muslamics and arabs. If they leave the world, Hindus will leave the wheel.
Thanx & concluded.
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khahane was right bt.stop attacking christia4jews.he is one of our greatest memeber.if you had something usefull to say so say it.nobobdy here want to hear your smearings.
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I should we should follow Chaim's lead here. I and other people have said this before, this is coalition work, if we have nothing to say that is nice about someone's deeply felt religious ideas, we should say nothing. Obviously this doesn't apply to things like missionizing, but this approaching ever increasing levels of toxicity to this forum.
I believe I am following Chaim's lead here, and I think all the people in this thread can basically move on and work together with one exception, there's a fly in the soup.
sorry? this is the worst divissvness i ever saw.yes there is a fly here and it is you.
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I hope this is the end of it. This thread has actually made me feel very sad.
I'm very happy to know that individuals who disagree with the JTF position are only speaking for themselves. Thank you Chaim, Lisa, Dr. Dan, Kahane was Right, and other level-headed folks for contributing good posts to this thread.
i am also agree this is the end of it.but we need to clrify the jtf postion on the definition of working togheter beacuse for me.it is a full fledged cooperation.
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Muman wrote:
On another note, if someone here were to say "I don't hate Jews...I have deep problems with the religion, I think the Jewish members would be pretty offended. It's certainly a dig. Now with that being said, I'm not trying to sugarcoat the bad things done by Christians in the past in the name of Christianity. I think everyone here will agree that what was done in the past to Jews was very bad.
I think this pretty much debunks kahane was right, muman and Ron point of view nicely.
BTW hindu zionist i was effectively accused as being a nazi by kahane was right, so please dont make out you were the only with the victim status. Being called a Nazi(although the sly lad will deny this) when you biblically believe you will be cursed for going against jews is very hurtful. Luckily i am a tough man, but there could be alot more sensative people on her ethat could have really effected them. Unfortunately he picked the wrong guy to battle with and i debunked him. Hopefully he will learn from the experience
I know this is a jewish forum, so i do not discuss theology etc. I think we should only discuss israel and its survival. I dont expect jews on here to to love everything christian and brown nose us. I am thinking from an un selfish point of view here, to expand this movement. If my rants made me more hated here so what. Ill sacrafice that if muman, Ron and kahane was right tone down their anti irrational, then i for one am happy.Means we will grow. I know muman's a jew, and Ron etc, i dont need some poorly used phrase "i have very deep issues" with christianity" to tell me hes a jew. If i was trying to covert him, or any of the other christians were trying to convert him then i think it would be fair game for him to use that phrase. But since i have seen nothing but chriatians supporting israel on here, i think we can all agree muman has to keep his anti christian vibe to himself if we want this forum growing.
Anyway sometimes people on here need to hulk up. We need to discuss these things, if we didnt then we would not evolve as a movement.
Anyway i think in the mean time this topic been done, i do think its been constructive though. So this is my last post on this thread.
We have some very exciting times, the great chaim and david have done some epic english vids. So i can see JTF hit new heights, which is what WE ALL WANT...
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You're welcome Rubystars. I know you didn't thank me, but as usual I have taken up for you and you're silence is notable. You only tend to thank people you perceive as righteous. Point noted again and again
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You're welcome Rubystars. I know you didn't thank me, but as usual I have taken up for you and you're silence is notable. You only tend to thank people you perceive as righteous. Point noted again and again
Thank you for your help JTFenthusiast. I'm sorry I missed mentioning you specifically. You did help quite a bit. I might have missed other people too and if I did I'm sorry to them too.
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You're welcome Rubystars. I know you didn't thank me, but as usual I have taken up for you and you're silence is notable. You only tend to thank people you perceive as righteous. Point noted again and again
Thank you for your help JTFenthusiast. I'm sorry I missed mentioning you specifically. You did help quite a bit. I might have missed other people too and if I did I'm sorry to them too.
don't worry i did this to free.
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Thanks Ben M.
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
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Anyone who accuses a Jewish person of being a Christ killer needs the [censored] beaten out of them.
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
Come on, Ron. ??? That is not what JewishAmericanPatriot meant, and you know it. Now you are going to attack all the Jewish members that live in America. You do really need to grow up. Besides, not everyone can just move to Israel. Even if in their heart they want to. You might realize that when you are older and responsible to people beside yourself. That response was very disappointing.
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Ron i'm really not afraid of anyone believe me,i'm afraid of G-D i just have many non Jewish friends who i like and they have no hatred for Jews
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
Come on, Ron. ??? That is not what JewishAmericanPatriot meant, and you know it. Now you are going to attack all the Jewish members that live in America. You do really need to grow up. Not everyone can just move to Israel. Even if in their heart they want to. You might realize that when you are older and responsible to people beside yourself. That response was very disappointing.
agree.ron you realy need to grow up andstop this paranoia.
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Muman wrote:
On another note, if someone here were to say "I don't hate Jews...I have deep problems with the religion, I think the Jewish members would be pretty offended. It's certainly a dig. Now with that being said, I'm not trying to sugarcoat the bad things done by Christians in the past in the name of Christianity. I think everyone here will agree that what was done in the past to Jews was very bad.
I think this pretty much debunks kahane was right, muman and Ron point of view nicely.
BTW hindu zionist i was effectively accused as being a nazi by kahane was right, so please dont make out you were the only with the victim status. Being called a Nazi(although the sly lad will deny this) when you biblically believe you will be cursed for going against jews is very hurtful. Luckily i am a tough man, but there could be alot more sensative people on her ethat could have really effected them. Unfortunately he picked the wrong guy to battle with and i debunked him. Hopefully he will learn from the experience
I know this is a jewish forum, so i do not discuss theology etc. I think we should only discuss israel and its survival. I dont expect jews on here to to love everything christian and brown nose us. I am thinking from an un selfish point of view here, to expand this movement. If my rants made me more hated here so what. Ill sacrafice that if muman, Ron and kahane was right tone down their anti irrational, then i for one am happy.Means we will grow. I know muman's a jew, and Ron etc, i dont need some poorly used phrase "i have very deep issues" with christianity" to tell me hes a jew. If i was trying to covert him, or any of the other christians were trying to convert him then i think it would be fair game for him to use that phrase. But since i have seen nothing but chriatians supporting israel on here, i think we can all agree muman has to keep his anti christian vibe to himself if we want this forum growing.
Anyway sometimes people on here need to hulk up. We need to discuss these things, if we didnt then we would not evolve as a movement.
Anyway i think in the mean time this topic been done, i do think its been constructive though. So this is my last post on this thread.
We have some very exciting times, the great chaim and david have done some epic english vids. So i can see JTF hit new heights, which is what WE ALL WANT...
c4j,
What was said does not 'debunk' anything I have said. The fact of the matter is that Italy had a horrible history of the treatment of Jews. Maybe you really want to debunk the facts, but believe me bro, you will not succeed. History clearly records that there were Jews kept in a Ghetto by the Vatican, that the church intended on burning the Jewish ghetto to the ground, and that various popes through history imposed laws on the Jews intended to break them such as having to wear a yellow star and to only work in certain fields.
Do you contest what I have said? If you do I would like to debate you full steam ahead. Either you did not learn history, or you are obstinant and pig-headed.
The only thing I have said in this thread concerning Italians is that their history of treatment of Jews is pathetic {up till this last century}.
Chew on that for a few before replying c4j...
My 1st post on this topic @ http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46655.msg445462.html#msg445462
Italian Catholicism is very much anti-Jew... I dont think that every Italian is a Catholic though...
learn a little history of the Jews in Italy @ http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,46680.new.html#new
PS: I repeat that Italian Americans are some of the best, hard-working Americans around. But I still have reservations about Italy, and those whose beliefs may have led to the murder and oppression of the Jewish people.
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There were horrible, absolutely horrible things done by both the RCC and Protestant branch-offs, as well as Orthodox churches. This is a fact of history. However Christians on JTF do not identify with anti-Semitism and we are equally appalled by evil people and evil behavior. We don't deserve to be accused of these types of sentiments when we have stated by supporting JTF that we do not agree with them.
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There were horrible, absolutely horrible things done by both the RCC and Protestant branch-offs, as well as Orthodox churches. This is a fact of history. However Christians on JTF do not identify with anti-Semitism and we are equally appalled by evil people and evil behavior. We don't deserve to be accused of these types of sentiments when we have stated by supporting JTF that we do not agree with them.
Rubystars,
Please understand that I am not pointing fingers or accusing anyone today of these crimes. I just want it to be known that history has a tendency to repeat itself... Not a single JTF member in good standing {meaning they have been around a while, and posted a lot} do I consider to be an enemy of mine, nor do I harbor any resentment for the treatment of the past.
In my personal case I am a Jew of Ukranian/Polish extraction... Both the Ukraine and Poland both have horrible histories of treatment of Jews. As a result I will never forgive Polish/Ukranian nationals who still to this day harbor antisemitism..
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Regarding J4J, the JTF position on this is clear, I believe Chaim will once again say that Missionaries are viewed as evil by the Jewish people. We have every right to celebrate the death of a murderer of Jewish souls. I believe Chaim himself posted that he was happy that that evil man died.
What does J4J have to do with the Christians on JTF?
Because the C4J complained about Muman's celebrating the death of the vile J4J criminal.
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khahane was right bt.stop attacking christia4jews.he is one of our greatest memeber.if you had something usefull to say so say it.nobobdy here want to hear your smearings.
LOL. This is called the pot calling the kettle black.
As a product of your age and immaturity level, you can only see things as black and white - as "he is my ally, and he is my enemy." And everything else goes out the window. Take the time to read the posts and you will see I was called names and accused of things that I never did. You expect me to take that lying down and not defend myself? Once again you fail to comprehend the values of JTF, and that includes Jewish right to self-defense. I'm not going to let someone slander me and then not talk back because I'm afraid of "upsetting" his feelings, or because some clown teenager is going to say "But we made a pact, don't say bad things at him."
You two are like peas in a pod btw. Did you bring him from gym class?
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I should we should follow Chaim's lead here. I and other people have said this before, this is coalition work, if we have nothing to say that is nice about someone's deeply felt religious ideas, we should say nothing. Obviously this doesn't apply to things like missionizing, but this approaching ever increasing levels of toxicity to this forum.
I believe I am following Chaim's lead here, and I think all the people in this thread can basically move on and work together with one exception, there's a fly in the soup.
sorry? this is the worst divissvness i ever saw.yes there is a fly here and it is you.
Wow, what insight! Next you'll say to me: "I know you are but what am I."
Look ben, I understand that you're a little kid, but try not to act like it here.
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Muman wrote:
On another note, if someone here were to say "I don't hate Jews...I have deep problems with the religion, I think the Jewish members would be pretty offended. It's certainly a dig. Now with that being said, I'm not trying to sugarcoat the bad things done by Christians in the past in the name of Christianity. I think everyone here will agree that what was done in the past to Jews was very bad.
I think this pretty much debunks kahane was right, muman and Ron point of view nicely.
What's my point of view? Quote me.
After quoting me, explain how my view, and what view exactly, is "debunked." Can an opinion be "debunked" ? You obviously don't grasp the English language very well.
BTW hindu zionist i was effectively accused as being a nazi by kahane was right,
False. Lie.
Quote me.
so please dont make out you were the only with the victim status. Being called a Nazi(although the sly lad will deny this)
Anyone would deny if they are accused of something they didn't do. So to predict this did not take a genius.
Unfortunately he picked the wrong guy to battle with and i debunked him. Hopefully he will learn from the experience
Come again?
if muman, Ron and kahane was right tone down their anti irrational,
Obviously English is not your native language, but you'll have to provide us with a translation of anti irrational.
Anyway sometimes people on here need to hulk up. We need to discuss these things, if we didnt then we would not evolve as a movement.
Oh, I see. We need to discuss, except for the people you don't like. Namely, religious Jews not named Chaim.
So this is my last post on this thread.
A cowardly move to attack me and say it's your last post. I expect nothing more than such cowardice from you.
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There were horrible, absolutely horrible things done by both the RCC and Protestant branch-offs, as well as Orthodox churches. This is a fact of history. However Christians on JTF do not identify with anti-Semitism and we are equally appalled by evil people and evil behavior. We don't deserve to be accused of these types of sentiments when we have stated by supporting JTF that we do not agree with them.
Good point.
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
When did I say I really don't care about Christians? I most certainly do. I respect all people who are decent, and who respect me and what I am. Naturally I don't give respect to someone who is abusive to others.
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
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I think we all got this off our chests. So can we all just agree to disagree on certain issues, and just move on? Please don't make me lock this thread.
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I think this pretty much debunks kahane was right, muman and Ron point of view nicely.
How does that "dubunk" my point view? you have never heard the points, explanations, examples or any other part of my ideas and if you think Lisa's comment "debunks" (without no Halachic basis added it) my point of view, you really need a lesson in logic (and English).
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
I dreamed that you are getting louder. ;D
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
When did I say I really don't care about Christians? I most certainly do. I respect all people who are decent, and who respect me and what I am. Naturally I don't give respect to someone who is abusive to others.
You decided to "not respect" other religions after 2 Christian kids beat you up?...
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
so come on.get louder.let's have a normal discussion about your unjustified hatred for christian4jews.
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
so come on.get louder.let's have a normal discussion about your unjustified hatred for christian4jews.
Yea, we already know you like missionaries, no need to remind us.
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
so come on.get louder.let's have a normal discussion about your unjustified hatred for christian4jews.
Yea, we already know you like missionaries, no need to remind us.
i talked to kahane was right not to you.
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But my parents (obm) taught me to always respect other people and their religion, even if we don't agree with it. My father would remind me how I felt when those Irish Catholic girls beat me up and called me 'christ killer'; he said that should make me realize that if I don't want it done to me, I should be careful not to do that to someone else.
It's good you admit you don't really care about Christians but you're just afraid of them. Really isn't surprising for a "religious" Jew who still lives in the Galut.
When did I say I really don't care about Christians? I most certainly do. I respect all people who are decent, and who respect me and what I am. Naturally I don't give respect to someone who is abusive to others.
You decided to "not respect" other religions after 2 Christian kids beat you up?...
You've lost me. I never said I do not treat Christians with respect. I do, even though some in the past did not treat me with respect.
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
so come on.get louder.let's have a normal discussion about your unjustified hatred for christian4jews.
I'm not sure what you mean.
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To summarize,
I'm not going to speak for other people, but it's clear to me that a certain person (possibly 2 if they're not the same person) here would like to silence me. All I can say to that is, keep dreaming. I will only get louder.
so come on.get louder.let's have a normal discussion about your unjustified hatred for christian4jews.
I'm not sure what you mean.
what i am saying is that if you will be more loud there will be no escape but to discuss your biased hatred toward c4j