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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ari Ben-Canaan on June 20, 2010, 06:50:47 PM
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Good for Geert Wilders!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3907722,00.html
Geert Wilders: Change Jordan's name to Palestine
Rightist Dutch leader wants to end Mideast conflict by finding Palestinians 'alternate homeland'
Geert Wilders, who leads the right-wing Party for Freedom (PVV) in Holland, said last week he believes Jordan should be renamed Palestine. The Jordanian government responded by saying Wilders' speech was reminiscent of the Israeli right wing.
"Jordan is Palestine," said Wilders, who heads the third-largest party in Holland. "Changing its name to Palestine will end the conflict in the Middle East and provide the Palestinians with an alternate homeland."
Wilders added that Israel deserved a special status in the Dutch government because it was fighting for Jerusalem in its name.
"If Jerusalem falls into the hands of the Muslims, Athens and Rome will be next. Thus, Jerusalem is the main front protecting the West. It is not a conflict over territory but rather an ideological battle, between the mentality of the liberated West and the ideology of Islamic barbarism," he said.
"There has been an independent Palestinian state since 1946, and it is the kingdom of Jordan." Wilders also called on the Dutch government to refer to Jordan as Palestine and move its embassy to Jerusalem.
The Saudi Al-Watan carried Jordan's response to Wilders' speech. The kingdom's embassy in Hague was outraged, and said the Dutch ambassador would soon be summoned to explain.
Jordan's minister for media affairs and communications, Nabil Al Sharif, asked for clarifications. He described Wilders' declaration as "an echo of the voice of the Israeli Right" and "crows' screams".
"Jordan is an independent and secure country which supports the Palestinian issue, and these imaginings of finding them an alternate homeland are nothing but the delusions of a few people," he said.
The PVV nearly tripled its power in the last election, going from nine parliament seats to 24. The right-wing party, which has called for a ban on minarets and Muslim scarves, has been holding so far unsuccessful negotiations with the liberal Right.
Indeed. ;D
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Yes, Jordan is the Palestinian territory according to the partition plan... But they wanted more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#The_Jewish_national_home
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Yes, Jordan is the Palestinian territory according to the partition plan... But they wanted more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#The_Jewish_national_home
It would seem terrorism and deception pays off.
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He's correct that Jordan is the Palescumian state, however isn't it true that all that land actually should be rightfully in Israel's hands?
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It's sad that this man is more righteous than any leader in Israel. =\
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He's correct that Jordan is the Palescumian state, however isn't it true that all that land actually should be rightfully in Israel's hands?
Rubystars, you are 100% correct.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SVqZOz_qxfI/AAAAAAAAHfM/0OTBK6rpOUU/s400/greater_israel.gif)
All of this land belongs to Israel. I think getting the fakestinians out of modern Israel is a good start. After this, it is inevitable that the Arabs will attack again, and then like in 1967, we shall take land defensively [God willing, we will be blessed by leaders who are Kahanists that know land taken in defense is land taken fairly]. Evicting the Arabs now sets a good precedent because every time we take land defensively we will need to evict the Arabs who only would serve as a 5th column.
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Geert Akbar! ;D
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Thanks Ariel Shayn!
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Yes, Jordan is the Palestinian territory according to the partition plan... But they wanted more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#The_Jewish_national_home
That does not matter!
East Jordan belongs to the tribes of Gad, Reuben and the half tribe of Manasseh (Gilead, Dibon Aroar etc). Only the southern parts of Jordan belong to Ammonites and Moabites and Edomites.
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Jordan's also a phony state. That land belongs to Israel.
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when people say Ammonite my first thought is this, not the ancient people:
(http://www.lolajoyas.com/images/micarpeta/AmmonitePix.jpg)
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when people say Ammonite my first thought is this, not the ancient people:
(http://www.lolajoyas.com/images/micarpeta/AmmonitePix.jpg)
I don't know the scriptures off the top of my head but Edom, Ammon and Moab was not given to the nation of Israel. Even God told the Israelites not to fight with the Edomites when they were still on their way to the promised land. However the area north of Arnon river belonged to the tribes of Israel.
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Yes, Jordan is the Palestinian territory according to the partition plan... But they wanted more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#The_Jewish_national_home
That does not matter!
East Jordan belongs to the tribes of Gad, Reuben and the half tribe of Manasseh (Gilead, Dibon Aroar etc). Only the southern parts of Jordan belong to Ammonites and Moabites and Edomites.
Obviously according to the Torah... But according to the UN partition plan Jordan was intended to be the Palestinian state.
I just heard from a Rabbi that Abrahams children were promised the land of 10 nations but only received 7 of them... The remaining 3 nations will be a part of the land of Israel when Moshiach comes.
http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379644/jewish/Evil-Among-the-Nations.htm
In the book of Genesis, G-d promises to Abraham the land of Canaan, which comprises the territory of ten nations: the Kenites, the Kenizites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizites, the Refaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites (Gen. 15:19-21). The first three were synonymous with the Ammonites, Moabites, and Edomites.
In the time of Moses, however, whenever the Torah lists the peoples of Canaan whose land G-d will give to the Jewish people, only the last seven of these ten are mentioned. Thus, our sages note, G-d only gave the latter seven nations to the Jews in the time of Moses, and we will inherit the land of the other three nations in the future, when Mashiach comes (Bereishit Rabba 44:23). The Jewish people are commanded to entirely wipe out these seven nations: "Of the cities of these peoples whom G-d is giving you to inherit, you shall leave no soul alive. Rather, you must wipe them out: the Hittite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, as G-d has commanded you." (Deut. 20:16-17)
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Of course Jordan is a phony state robbed from us, but Mr Wilders exposes the Arab lies about the "poor Palestinians who deserve a land of their own".
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Jordan is definitely a phony state. It is the artificial by-product of British imperialists sucking up to the Arabs. The British arbitrarily gave out three quarters of the land under their mandate to satisfy their Hachemite friends and this became Jordan.
That said, it remains that Geert Wilders is the only Western prominent political leader who has the guts to say basic truths about Islam and the Middle East. History will remember him.
Greater Israel is a big subject. To put it very shortly, one can say, at least, that the circumstances are not ripe to consider the creation of Greater Israel. The zionist struggle today is about saving the current Jewish state and Judea Samaria.
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The existence of an illegal phony state from a piece of Eretz Yisrael full of only Arabs and no Jews called "Jordan" (formerly Transjordan), vs. The existence of an illegal phony state from a piece of Eretz Yisrael full of only Arabs and no Jews called "Palestine" makes no difference except the benefits of using the second name erase the supposed "need" to create a "palestinian state" out of Israel's current territory, as that state has already existed since the british created it, and it is a majority fakestinian population in fact, ruled over by imported bedouin Hashemite minority if I'm not mistaken. So I think it's a great idea to acknowledge that the Fakestinian state already exists and has existed for decades (illegally), even if we are not giving it legitimacy and importantly not saying that it doesn't belong to us. We also are not saying Jordan doesn't belong to us even if we acknowledge Jordan exists, which everyone does today, so nothing is lost there.
Geert's idea is in line with that of Israeli politician Benny Elon - the Jordan peace initiative. And I think Elon had support from Aryeh Eldad and other prominent rightwing figures including even some US congressman who were impressed with the idea.
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There is no "palestine" in any land.
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For that matter there is no Jordan either.
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Jordan killed 25000 pig-a-stinians in 11 days during 'black september'.
I think there should be a memorial statue to remember and celebrate the event.
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I think I may just name my first born Geert...
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Gert Wilders is another hero, and thanks for Liz Cheney's website. I honestly don't think Jordan or Egypt can be trusted!
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or better yet....change it to Israel.
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Geert is correct but he should also note that Palestinians are amongst the most miserable of all the moslem peoples and are not welcome anywhere, even in Arab countries. I remember in 1990/91 they returned the refuge given to them by Kuwait through collaborating with the Iraqi invaders and stealing, looting, raping, and murdering the Kuwaitis. I recall Kuwaitis on TV after Iraq was kicked out saying "Palestinians are a despicable people, no wonder the Israelis treat them as they do". :laugh:
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Are you sure that the southern border of greater Israel is correct?
He's correct that Jordan is the Palescumian state, however isn't it true that all that land actually should be rightfully in Israel's hands?
Rubystars, you are 100% correct.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SVqZOz_qxfI/AAAAAAAAHfM/0OTBK6rpOUU/s400/greater_israel.gif)
All of this land belongs to Israel. I think getting the fakestinians out of modern Israel is a good start. After this, it is inevitable that the Arabs will attack again, and then like in 1967, we shall take land defensively [G-d willing, we will be blessed by leaders who are Kahanists that know land taken in defense is land taken fairly]. Evicting the Arabs now sets a good precedent because every time we take land defensively we will need to evict the Arabs who only would serve as a 5th column.
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Im not sure whether Nubia is part of southern biblical Israel. But The Northern part of Saudi Arabia certainly is.
Are you sure that the southern border of greater Israel is correct?
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My understanding is that Gd intended for the Jewish people to have a Greater Israel, but not all at once. Basically, it was based on the natural growth of the Jewish nation and at the proper time that Gd intends it to be, deliver the additional land. At this point, the Jewish nation is too small to occupy a greater Israel.
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Not sure if I agree. There are tens of millions of Jewish people worldwide. If a proportion of them - say 20 million - wanted to perform Aaliyah then the current land of Israel could in no way hold that many people. As such an expansion would be necessary.
I dont see why the muslims cant go and live in the sea. Making pointless Islands in the sea is something they excel at anyways, just look at the gulf states. :laugh: I just pity the poor fish.
My understanding is that Gd intended for the Jewish people to have a Greater Israel, but not all at once. Basically, it was based on the natural growth of the Jewish nation and at the proper time that Gd intends it to be, deliver the additional land. At this point, the Jewish nation is too small to occupy a greater Israel.
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Not sure if I agree. There are tens of millions of Jewish people worldwide. If a proportion of them - say 20 million - wanted to perform Aaliyah then the current land of Israel could in no way hold that many people. As such an expansion would be necessary.
I dont see why the muslims cant go and live in the sea. Making pointless Islands in the sea is something they excel at anyways, just look at the gulf states. :laugh: I just pity the poor fish.
My understanding is that Gd intended for the Jewish people to have a Greater Israel, but not all at once. Basically, it was based on the natural growth of the Jewish nation and at the proper time that Gd intends it to be, deliver the additional land. At this point, the Jewish nation is too small to occupy a greater Israel.
There are about 12 millions Jews in the world.
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A few years back I was reading a commentary in the Tanach about this subject and Gd never intended on giving all that land all at once, but as the population of the Jewish people grow. Who knows if there is a mass Aliya that it will have to grow into more territories..and who knows, maybe Gd intends there to be another war where He will deliver that additional land to Israel.
Not sure if I agree. There are tens of millions of Jewish people worldwide. If a proportion of them - say 20 million - wanted to perform Aaliyah then the current land of Israel could in no way hold that many people. As such an expansion would be necessary.
I dont see why the muslims cant go and live in the sea. Making pointless Islands in the sea is something they excel at anyways, just look at the gulf states. :laugh: I just pity the poor fish.
My understanding is that Gd intended for the Jewish people to have a Greater Israel, but not all at once. Basically, it was based on the natural growth of the Jewish nation and at the proper time that Gd intends it to be, deliver the additional land. At this point, the Jewish nation is too small to occupy a greater Israel.
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http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5766/mishpatim.html
SEUDOS SHLISHIS:
"I will send hornets ahead of you, which will drive out the Chivites, the Canaanites, and the Hitites, from before you. I will not drive them out before you in one year, which would make the land desolate, and cause the animals of the field to multiply against you." (Shemos 23:28-29)
Imagine being taken out to dinner to an expensive restaurant and after a great meal, not having to pay for anything. Imagine going to a book store next, and the same friend buying you an expensive set of books, at no cost to you. Next, imagine that your friend has taken you to an expensive clothing store in order to buy you a new suit, as a gift. Now, imagine, after being overwhelmed by all the unexpected generosity, being asked by the same friend if you wouldn't mind sharing the cost of the gas!
"Huh?"
It would probably throw you for a loop, wouldn't it? I mean, after spending hundreds of dollars on you, you probably wouldn't mind chipping in your share of the transportation costs. But, why? It can't be because your friend can't afford to shoulder the burden of the traveling expenses, because he just spent hundreds of dollars on you without batting an eye. Obviously $15.00 for gas is no sweat off his nose.
"Ah . . . sure . . ." you say, confused, and not wanting to sound ungrateful.
Well, that was kind of what it was like for the Jewish people in this week's parshah. Egypt had been destroyed by ten plagues that did not physically involve a single Jew to make them happen. The sea was split for them, clearing a path to freedom where, under normal circumstances, they should have drowned. Hunger was solved with bread from Heaven, and clothing did not wear away.
Now, close to the border of Eretz Canaan, G-d has informed the newly freed Jewish nation of the upcoming miracle and military victory against nations far more powerful than they were. G-d Himself will wage the war, and drive out the corrupt Canaanite nations in a completely miraculous fashion.
"However," G-d says, "we're not going to do this too fast. You see," He continues, "if we do this too fast, then we'll have a technical problem. With all the people gone, wild animals will move into the cities, and you'll have to deal with them."
"Ah, right," we wonder to ourselves. "Ah, G-d, why don't you just tell the animals not to come? Or, just make them go away, You know, poof! . . . Kind of like the way you made the Egyptians go away . . . You're G-d! Can't You make the world do whatever you want it to?"
Of course He can. That's never the issue. The issue is, do we deserve such perfect miracles? Leave Egypt? We had to; G-d had promised Avraham, Yitzchak, and Ya'akov that we would. Get to Canaan? That too was part of the deal made with our Forefathers. However, how we got there and what we would have to contribute to take the land depended upon the people at the time. "I don't care how you get my son back here," the father tells his son's redeemer, "just as long as you get him back here in one piece, and alive."
Likewise, get to the Final Redemption? We must. But just how many technical details we will have to overcome along the way will depend upon the merit of the Jewish people at the moment of truth. Thus, even though THE moment of truth may not be far away, and great miracles may be occurring for us, still, we may have to deal with some "wild elements" along the way while taking the land, once and for all.
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There are about 12 millions Jews in the world.
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Im quite shocked. I never knew the number was so small. I assumed with the numbers in USA, Canada, South America, South Africa, France, Europe etc that the numbers would equal around around 50 million.
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There are about 12 millions Jews in the world.
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Im quite shocked. I never knew the number was so small. I assumed with the numbers in USA, Canada, South America, South Africa, France, Europe etc that the numbers would equal around around 50 million.
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And the thing is, everywhere in the exile our numbers are fast decreasing due to assimilation and low birth rate.
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Jews are the smallest minority in the world...
I have heard we are .01% of the world population.
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I doubt that if the so-called pelset, polset, pulsati, pulastyi arab people even belong to the vicinity of Israel.
They are the demonic degenerated wretched people, who were driven out of ancient Sri Lanka forever and found themselves safe only in arab deserts.
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I doubt that if the so-called pelset, polset, pulsati, pulastyi arab people even belong to the vicinity of Israel.
They are the demonic degenerated wretched people, who were driven out of ancient Sri Lanka forever and found themselves safe only in arab deserts.
I do not know what these terms which all begin with 'P' mean.
Are you saying the Fakestinian people originated from Sri Lanka?
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I doubt that if the so-called pelset, polset, pulsati, pulastyi arab people even belong to the vicinity of Israel.
They are the demonic degenerated wretched people, who were driven out of ancient Sri Lanka forever and found themselves safe only in arab deserts.
I do not know what these terms which all begin with 'P' mean.
Are you saying the Fakestinian people originated from Sri Lanka?
Yes, you got it correct. Their original name was "pulastyi". During the pre-historic times these demonics captured Sri Lanka and made it their headquarter. They tormented and terrorized the then existing world. Their mainstream was destroyed and driven out from Sri Lanka after a big war. But some of them survived at their port of ancient Aden. Later during ~1200 BC these people resurfaced to be the dreaded sea-pirates of the Mediterranean Sea. Now they are daring to torment the Jew.
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I doubt that if the so-called pelset, polset, pulsati, pulastyi arab people even belong to the vicinity of Israel.
They are the demonic degenerated wretched people, who were driven out of ancient Sri Lanka forever and found themselves safe only in arab deserts.
I do not know what these terms which all begin with 'P' mean.
Are you saying the Fakestinian people originated from Sri Lanka?
Yes, you got it correct. Their original name was "pulastyi". During the pre-historic times these demonics captured Sri Lanka and made it their headquarter. They tormented and terrorized the then existing world. Their mainstream was destroyed and driven out from Sri Lanka after a big war. But some of them survived at their port of ancient Aden. Later during ~1200 B.C.E. these people resurfaced to be the dreaded sea-pirates of the Mediterranean Sea. Now they are daring to torment the Jew.
I see what you are saying. The Pulastyi people are also the Philistine people. But modern day "Palestinians" are in no way related to the actual Philistine people. Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" because the ancient Philistines were enemies of the Jewish people, and the Romans wanted to humiliate the Jews beyond a military defeat; renaming one's homeland in name of one's ancient enemies is surely a way to hurt someone. Modern day "Palestinians" are simple local Arab riffraff which migrated to Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and what is now called "Jordan" when the Jews started to develop the land... like fleas to a dog. There were very few Arabs living in Israel before the Jews came back, and their numbers until 1948 were declining as well, Arabs of this nature were Bedouins.
Even the Arabs themselves admit there is no such thing as a "Palestinian".
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html#b [the whole page is worth a good read]
MYTH
“Palestine was always an Arab country.”
FACT
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.3
The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.
Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be 3,000 years old today.
Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not."5
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.6
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."7
The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."8
Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.
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change Jordan's name to "State of Greater Israel"
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change Jordan's name to "State of Greater Israel"
Winner of the thread! :celebrate: :celebrate: :celebrate:
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"If Jerusalem falls into the hands of the Muslims, ver territory but rather an ideological baAthens and Rome will be next. Thus, Jerusalem is the main front protecting the West. It is not a conflict ottle, between the mentality of the liberated West and the ideology of Islamic barbarism," he said.
Very true.
In fact there are three categories of land according to Islam.
1- Dhar al-Islam:(House-place of Islam) Lands that are or were once under complete Islamic controll. They claim Jersualem and all EY for that reason, since they controlled that places once by means of invasion and their religion claims that it's forbidden to renounce any land once conquered.
2- Dhar al-Salaam:(House-place of Peace) Lands belonging to nations that have once signed a treaty with Muslims and were partially under their rule. Those lands do not need to be conquered according to them.
3- Dhar al-Harb (house-place of war): Lands belonging to nations that never signed any treaty with Muslims and were not under their controll. They are bound by Islam to conquer them and subject non-Muslim monotheists to Dhiminitude and idolators to execution.
It's quite obvious that if one thing is granted to them, they will demand also the other. I have found relatively "peacefull" Muslims who sincerely reject terrorist groups but still claim that they have a religiuos right to kill Europeans if they don't teach Islam to their children and apply Sharia in their States.
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change Jordan's name to "State of Greater Israel"
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