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American Tourist Stabbed To Death In Israel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101219/wl_nm/us_israel_usa_stabbing
Let me guess, Lewinsky's answer will be to give a Medal of Honor to the butchers involved! (And, needless to say, Yahoo News throws in a plug for the Fakestinian killers.)
DBF
American tourist stabbed to death in Israel
By Jeffrey Heller
– Sun Dec 19, 12:03 pm ET
JERUSALEM (Reuters) – An American tourist was stabbed to death and another woman wounded while hiking in foothills outside Jerusalem, Israeli police said on Sunday.
"We are examining whether this is a nationalistic stabbing, but other leads are being examined as well," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, using Israel's term for an attack by Palestinian militants.
Kaye Wilson, a Briton who immigrated to Israel, said she and Christine Logan, a visitor from the United States, were attacked by two Arab men while hiking on Saturday south of Jerusalem in an area near Israel's border with the occupied West Bank.
"All of a sudden two Arabs walked by and they asked me in Hebrew if I had any water. So I said, dismissively, 'see ya'. But I immediately felt that something was wrong," Wilson told Israel's Channel Two TV from her hospital bed.
"I was scared, but my friend became a bit hysterical, so I told her in English -- they spoke in Arabic -- 'be quiet, don't make any noise, it'll make them attack us,'" she said.
"Suddenly, they came, it happened so quickly. They attacked us. One of them took out a very long knife, not a bread knife, but one that was serrated," Wilson said.
"I played dead. I saw (the knife) hadn't gone into my heart. My friend was dying, I heard her making gurgling sounds."
Wilson, who was stabbed several times, managed to reach a parking area where people called the police, who mounted an overnight search for Logan. Her bound body was found early on Sunday.
Police identified Logan as an American but gave no hometown.
(Additional reporting by Maayan Lubell; Editing by Janet Lawrence)
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Can anyone say: death penalty, not the humanitarian kind either
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One time this guy finishing med school in a science chat I went to told me and others in a chat room that he now knew how from his training to torture people effectively. He said it with some level of humor, but I knew it was actually true as well that he'd know how to cause the most pain with the least risk of death. That made me think... wow, NEVER EVER get a doctor on your bad side, or rather, don't get on his.
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Ruby,
I dont think that's correct. I would have no idea how to do anything like that. You need to have the internal inclination to think like that. If you have that inclination, then you will indulge in those kinds of machinations. I wrote my comment because of the savagery these 'people' visited on two women, alone. Not exactly brave warriors for Islam, are they? More like murdering cowards, who should ..... ( I wont say the rest)
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9/11 the Al Aqsa Mosque with the Arabs in Israel inside the planes
Or in the rockets:
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8695/wallamisgadzg8.jpg)
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One time this guy finishing med school in a science chat I went to told me and others in a chat room that he now knew how from his training to torture people effectively. He said it with some level of humor, but I knew it was actually true as well that he'd know how to cause the most pain with the least risk of death. That made me think... wow, NEVER EVER get a doctor on your bad side, or rather, don't get on his.
I know how to torture my enemies effectively
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They do not benefit Israel in any way. Just make troubles and crimes.
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Arabs are worse than dogs. Why do they allow them to live in Israel? The time will come when the Jews of Israel will react to these kinds of attacks...
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One time this guy finishing med school in a science chat I went to told me and others in a chat room that he now knew how from his training to torture people effectively. He said it with some level of humor, but I knew it was actually true as well that he'd know how to cause the most pain with the least risk of death. That made me think... wow, NEVER EVER get a doctor on your bad side, or rather, don't get on his.
I have caught some of ID TV and they have a show on vicious women. They had one episode about a woman who worked as a nurse who married a Doctor and then the marriage went sour. She injected him with a chemical that paralyzes a person but leaves him conscious and aware. It paralyzes the diaphragm muscle so the person cannot breath on their own. It took him ten minutes to die. She is serving life in prison but what a horrible way to die.
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Let me guess, Lewinsky's answer will be to give a Medal of Honor to the butchers involved! (And, needless to say, Yahoo News throws in a plug for the Fakestinian killers.)
DBF<<
In Arutz Sheva they quoted police as saying it might have been criminal activity not terrorism. Sounds likely why would criminals attack tourist hikers? To steal the food and water they have in their backpacks?
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Arabs are worse than dogs. Why do they allow them to live in Israel? The time will come when the Jews of Israel will react to these kinds of attacks...
what is so bad about dogs? they are kind and loyal animals.
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The Israeli so-called "police" are bigger criminals than the Arab scum. The only people they arrest are Jews trying to save their own homes. Of course half of them or more are Gentile Russian Nazis.
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Arabs are worse than dogs. Why do they allow them to live in Israel? The time will come when the Jews of Israel will react to these kinds of attacks...
what is so bad about dogs? they are kind and loyal animals.
Indeed!
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Ruby,
I dont think that's correct. I would have no idea how to do anything like that. You need to have the internal inclination to think like that. If you have that inclination, then you will indulge in those kinds of machinations. I wrote my comment because of the savagery these 'people' visited on two women, alone. Not exactly brave warriors for Islam, are they? More like murdering cowards, who should ..... ( I wont say the rest)
Well it sort of makes sense that someone who works in medicine and knows the nervous system, etc. would be more skilled in the bad side as well as the good side. Then again I think you're right that someone has to have that inclination to think that way in the first place. As for Muslims yes they're horrible cowards. :(
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The woman who died was called Christine Logan. Are you sure she was Jewish?
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/19/american-identified-as-christine-logan-found-dead-near-jerusalem/
Was the British woman Kaye Wilson a proselyte?
Likely that both are non-Jewesses.
Two Jewish Women Viciously Stabbed
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
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Arabs are worse than dogs. Why do they allow them to live in Israel? The time will come when the Jews of Israel will react to these kinds of attacks...
what is so bad about dogs? they are kind and loyal animals.
;D
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This is being reported in the typical leftist manner. The headlines all read '2 American's killed by Israeli'. The headlines should read, '2 American's killed by Muslim in Israel.'
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
huh? Please explain
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
huh? Please explain
Two missionary murderers were slain like the pigs they are. Let these sub-human cockroaches know that there would be no end for G-d's Wrath for their attempt to murder Jewish souls.
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Sometimes the arabs try to do evil against the Jews but their plans are thwarted and they do evil against our enemies and against themselves.
I can't speak for Obama of course, but under previous presidents, America's govt got more pissed at arab terror attacks when they were committed against American citizens. They certainly didn't care when Israeli Jews were murdered. But they will care about their own citizens/tourists. And the fact that the person killed is an evil missionary is another way that God has thwarted the intent of the evil arabs.
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Arabs are worse than dogs. Why do they allow them to live in Israel? The time will come when the Jews of Israel will react to these kinds of attacks...
You shouldn't insult dogs by comparing them to these monsters. Dogs are actually more intelligent.
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I heard the murdered victim had been planning to make aliyah and the survivor has been an Israeli citizen for years, but their name seem pretty non-Jewish, so It seemed odd. Now according to ynet it appears that the victims are actually Christian missionaries of "CMJ" (= The Church’s Ministry among Jewish People).
I don't understand how can such persons are allowed to make "aliyah" ?!
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I must say that I absolutely despise Christian missionaries in Israel. I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs. Hashem's Torah specifically says that the Jews must keep Torah in order to merit living in the land of Israel.
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
That woman was not a murderer.
Besides, if Jews are strong and faithful, they have nothing to fear from Christian missionaries. It is our own weakness and ignorance that are to be feared and fought.
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
I really do think that it is wrong for them to be in Israel, and technically they may be guilty and deserve such a penalty...
Since JTF has the policy of working with Christians we should hold off on saying that these kinds of missionaries are deserving death.
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
huh? Please explain
Two missionary murderers were slain like the pigs they are. Let these sub-human cockroaches know that there would be no end for G-d's Wrath for their attempt to murder Jewish souls.
Ah...ok
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
huh? Please explain
Two missionary murderers were slain like the pigs they are. Let these sub-human cockroaches know that there would be no end for G-d's Wrath for their attempt to murder Jewish souls.
Ah...ok
"ok" ? No, it's not ok, there is something sick in celebrating the fact that a woman was stabbed to death by an Arab pig in Israel, even if that woman was a Christian missionary.
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Her name was Kristine Luken, an Xtian missionary
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4001856,00.html
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2932181/kristine_luken4585821_a.jpg)
Baruch Hashem! :dance: :dance:
huh? Please explain
Two missionary murderers were slain like the pigs they are. Let these sub-human cockroaches know that there would be no end for G-d's Wrath for their attempt to murder Jewish souls.
Ah...ok
"ok" ? No, it's not ok, there is something sick in celebrating the fact that a woman was stabbed to death by an Arab pig in Israel, even if that woman was a Christian missionary.
Not sure if these women were missionaries to begin with. Therefore not agreeing nor disagreeing. Definitely not celebrating. And if they were missionaries against Jews I would be indifferent, but take the side of the victims. Those women were not murderers like those Arabs were.
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Those women were not murderers like those Arabs were.
Except they were Nazi crusader missionaries who murdered Jewish spirits. These creatures were a waste-of-sperm, and came here solely for the purpose of missionary. Now they rot in Hell, and both their repulsive associates and their Arab killers will soon join them G-d willing.
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I certainly don't rejoice the murder although it is ironical that the Arab chose the wrong victim to slay. Since the victims are indeed members of CMJ, then certainly they were missionaries.
Look at the websites: http://www.cmj-israel.org/AboutCMJ.aspx
And this is the UK press release mourning the death of their members and injury of another: http://www.cmj.org.uk/
Press Release
CMJ UK is deeply shocked by the violent death in Israel of our much loved administrator Kristine Luken. Kristine had worked for the ministry for one year having previously worked for the American government. As a committed Christian with a deep love for the Jewish people she had had contact with CMJ in America, Israel and the UK. When the administrator position became available in the UK Kristine applied and was appointed in October 2009.
She had to cope with a move to a new country as well as a new job but quickly made the adjustment and became a key member of our team. She had a beautiful and gentle spirit as well as a strong and vibrant faith. She loved Israel and had visited on several occasions both as a tourist and as a member of CMJ. She had just taken on responsibility for Shoresh Tours, a CMJ company that organizes tours to Israel. Kay Wilson, who is the senior tour guide for Shoresh, was a close personal friend of Kristine’s as well as a colleague and her visit to Israel was for both
It is a tragedy that such a lively, caring and faith filled person should have been struck down in such a way. We are praying for her friends and family at this tragic time. However, CMJ will continue to share the gospel with the Jewish people and to work for forgiveness and reconciliation in Israel. This is a mandate that God gave us 201 years ago and we are confident that the best epitaph we could give Kristine is to continue to that to which she was totally committed to supporting.
Robin Aldridge
CEO
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Folks,
Let's be smart and think logically. There are many different issues at play here. Let's not confuse them and then make misleading statements:
1. These were women murdered by Arabs for no other reason than being non-Muslim infidels. That they were women who presumably had no idea how to defend themselves only makes this more heinous.
2. Killing a civilian who is of no immediate physical threat to you is a serious sin, Hashem will deal with murderers before and after civil society does.
3. Missionizing in Israel is wrong and missionaries should not be encouraged in anyway
Those 3 statements do not in anyway, logically fit, with the stated idea that the deaths of these women is 'ok;' it's completely heinous. Their damage to the souls of Jewish people could have been dealt with legally, by say denying them aliyah. There is no excuse to say that there is any justification for the murder of these two women. None.
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Folks,
Let's be smart and think logically. There are many different issues at play here. Let's not confuse them and then make misleading statements:
1. These were women murdered by Arabs for no other reason than being non-Muslim infidels. That they were women who presumably had no idea how to defend themselves only makes this more heinous.
2. Killing a civilian who is of no immediate physical threat to you is a serious sin, Hashem will deal with murderers before and after civil society does.
3. Missionizing in Israel is wrong and missionaries should not be encouraged in anyway
Those 3 statements do not in anyway, logically fit, with the stated idea that the deaths of these women is 'ok;' it's completely heinous. Their damage to the souls of Jewish people could have been dealt with legally, by say denying them aliyah. There is no excuse to say that there is any justification for the murder of these two women. None.
But no one cheered the muslim animals for murdering. It just so happens their plans were spoiled and they killed our enemies instead of us and I'm sure their real target is Israeli Jews. The arab murderers should still be brought to justice, they should be executed - at least. But I do not mourn the victims here because they were victimizers themselves.
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Not entirely true KWRBT. There were some who said that.
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Ok, so she was an evangelical missionary mistaken in her theology that Jews should be Christian. She still loved Israel and supported Israel and hated Arabs and Muslims. I don't think this is something I would celebrate.
If she were a Jews for Jesus, I would celebrate.
I certainly don't rejoice the murder although it is ironical that the Arab chose the wrong victim to slay. Since the victims are indeed members of CMJ, then certainly they were missionaries.
Look at the websites: http://www.cmj-israel.org/AboutCMJ.aspx
And this is the UK press release mourning the death of their members and injury of another: http://www.cmj.org.uk/
Press Release
CMJ UK is deeply shocked by the violent death in Israel of our much loved administrator Kristine Luken. Kristine had worked for the ministry for one year having previously worked for the American government. As a committed Christian with a deep love for the Jewish people she had had contact with CMJ in America, Israel and the UK. When the administrator position became available in the UK Kristine applied and was appointed in October 2009.
She had to cope with a move to a new country as well as a new job but quickly made the adjustment and became a key member of our team. She had a beautiful and gentle spirit as well as a strong and vibrant faith. She loved Israel and had visited on several occasions both as a tourist and as a member of CMJ. She had just taken on responsibility for Shoresh Tours, a CMJ company that organizes tours to Israel. Kay Wilson, who is the senior tour guide for Shoresh, was a close personal friend of Kristine’s as well as a colleague and her visit to Israel was for both
It is a tragedy that such a lively, caring and faith filled person should have been struck down in such a way. We are praying for her friends and family at this tragic time. However, CMJ will continue to share the gospel with the Jewish people and to work for forgiveness and reconciliation in Israel. This is a mandate that G-d gave us 201 years ago and we are confident that the best epitaph we could give Kristine is to continue to that to which she was totally committed to supporting.
Robin Aldridge
CEO
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This Robin Alridge on the other hand needs to be thrown out of Israel, legally, fairly, and with the decency afforded to people with whom we disagree, but have no business there whatsoever
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
I really do think that it is wrong for them to be in Israel, and technically they may be guilty and deserve such a penalty...
Since JTF has the policy of working with Christians we should hold off on saying that these kinds of missionaries are deserving death.
She didn't deserve to die. On a human level. Not on a Christian level.
Those Arabs would kill a Jewish person the same way they killed that woman, in three seconds flat and with no questions asked about faith. Based on that fact, her death should be offensive to all. I think it is stupid to hate Christians to such an extent that you would give credit to your enemies for killing one.
You have to be strong in your own faith.
When a J ehova Witness comes to my door...I slam it shut.
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בס''ד
I am familiar with this hideous missionary organization CMJ which these two women were working for. CMJ is no less a threat to Jewish survival than Muslim terrorists or Nazis. CMJ seeks to destroy the Jewish people spiritually. Jews who fall prey to these missionaries will have no place in the next world. These missionaries are indeed murderers of Jewish souls. It is a disgrace that Bolshevik Israel allows these spiritual Nazis to pollute the Holy Land and to destroy Jewish souls, G-d forbid.
JTF works with Christians and has many Christian members. But there is a huge difference between an ordinary Christian and a missionary who sets out to target Jewish souls for spiritual annihilation. Christian JTFers are wonderful people who work with us to make this a better world. Missionaries, on the other hand, are our mortal enemies. We will never sacrifice a single Jewish soul to missionaries.
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All,
I can understand why Jews won't shed many tears for this murdered missionary but let's remember one thing--the Arab cockroaches who did this did not kill her for being a missionary, but because they thought she was a Jew. I'm sure they will go on to murder some actual, real Jews soon enough.
Let me remind you all of what happened a few months back. When Muslim terrorists attacked a satanic, sodomite "synagogue" bathhouse, a few forum members inadvertently wondered if perhaps they targeted it for supporting homosexuality and if the fag "synagogue" therefore deserved it. But this was not the case. They attacked it because they assumed it was a real synagogue. So, let's not go praising any Muslim mass murderers.
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Everyday in Israel a Jew is killed. Just yesterday there was another attack. This will continue until all muslimes are removed from the Holy Land.
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Now that it's been verified by Chaim, I agree with both chaim and DBF on this.
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Ok, so she was an evangelical missionary mistaken in her theology that Jews should be Christian. She still loved Israel and supported Israel and hated Arabs and Muslims. I don't think this is something I would celebrate.
Support for Israel does not include proselytizing to Israel. It should be made clear to Christians that we do not want them doing that in Israel. And we do not want to hear about their gospels.
Granted, I have less problem with these people than with Jews4J who do this or with so-called Christians who claim they are Jews (who believe in Jesus). But I still think missionaries are evil and are trying to destroy the Jewish people. If they get significant #'s of Jews to embrace their foreign religion, then there is no more Jewish people. It's just as insidious as intermarriage, except worse in some ways. But ultimately it kills off our people.
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
I really do think that it is wrong for them to be in Israel, and technically they may be guilty and deserve such a penalty...
Since JTF has the policy of working with Christians we should hold off on saying that these kinds of missionaries are deserving death.
You have to be strong in your own faith.
When a J* Witness comes to my door...I slam it shut.
Similarly, we would like to slam the door shut on missionaries because they do not belong in Israel. They should be deported and not allowed in in the first place. I agree though that these arab nazis were looking to murder Jews and for that reason they should be executed and cursed. But I don't feel bad for what I feel is an evil person. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself here.
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Unfortunately, for you Dr. Brennan Fan, you were one of the people arguing that the destruction of the synagogue, which is neither gay nor a 'bathhouse,' you sicko, should have been destroyed. Calling any synagogue a bathhouse is an absolute disgrace. You may have erased your comments, but acting like you didn't say what you said about that synagogue is very very dishonest. In fact, it was LISA who said the statement that you are now claiming as your own. Once again, you bring up homosexuality in a thread that has nothing to do with it.
And referring to any synagogue as a "bathhouse" is SICK!
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No, that's where you are wrong. I ASKED if it is possible that the terrorists were targeting homosexuals (I hadn't read the article at all) and I was quickly answered. Never once did I say it was a great thing that it was attacked; that is just a fantasy in your fevered mind. However, I still think that so-called house of worship is evil to the core and deserves severe judgment, although not of the Muslim Nazi kind.
How exactly was that so-called synagogue not a bathhouse? If it is promoting the satanic lie that homosexual relations are alright with G-d, let me say it's even worse than a bathhouse because bathhouses don't generally promote the desecration of the Jewish faith.
Now let me ask you, would you have been as upset by that terror attack if the synagogue targeted had been anti-gay?
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Similarly, we would like to slam the door shut on missionaries because they do not belong in Israel. They should be deported and not allowed in in the first place. I agree though that these arab nazis were looking to murder Jews and for that reason they should be executed and cursed. But I don't feel bad for what I feel is an evil person. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself here.
Your comments are fine. I just don't think anybody should be making out the Muslim Nazis who murdered this woman out to be heroes. That's very dangerous. Even if someone hates missionaries, it's a wild stretch to think that these Muslims wouldn't also gladly kill Jews, or Christians who were not proselytizing.
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Any attack on any Jew for being a Jew is my concern. And I absolutely know what you wrote and Lisa's quote proves it. She didn't make her statement out of thin air. That doesn't even make any sense. You are such a liar. Trying to impune someone else's character to cover your own hateful thinking is pathetic, evil, and not going to get further commentary from me on this thread
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I didn't alter any posts, and Lisa knows exactly what I wrote too, so nice try. But you didn't answer my question. :P
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Similarly, we would like to slam the door shut on missionaries because they do not belong in Israel. They should be deported and not allowed in in the first place. I agree though that these arab nazis were looking to murder Jews and for that reason they should be executed and cursed. But I don't feel bad for what I feel is an evil person. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself here.
Your comments are fine. I just don't think anybody should be making out the Muslim Nazis who murdered this woman out to be heroes. That's very dangerous. Even if someone hates missionaries, it's a wild stretch to think that these Muslims wouldn't also gladly kill Jews, or Christians who were not proselytizing.
Would you say the same about a Muslim killing a traitor?
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I didn't alter any posts, and Lisa knows exactly what I wrote too, so nice try. But you didn't answer my question. :P
Any attack on any Jew for being a Jew is my concern. And I absolutely know what you wrote and Lisa's quote proves it. She didn't make her statement out of thin air. That doesn't even make any sense. You are such a liar. Trying to impune someone else's character to cover your own hateful thinking is pathetic, evil, and not going to get further commentary from me on this thread.
Asked and answered Jew hater
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I didn't alter any posts, and Lisa knows exactly what I wrote too, so nice try. But you didn't answer my question. :P
Any attack on any Jew for being a Jew is my concern. And I absolutely know what you wrote and Lisa's quote proves it. She didn't make her statement out of thin air. That doesn't even make any sense. You are such a liar. Trying to impune someone else's character to cover your own hateful thinking is pathetic, evil, and not going to get further commentary from me on this thread.
Asked and answered Jew hater
JTFE2,
I don't know how this thread re-started this fued. I was hoping that these things were behind us...
I would like this confrontation to end here. Just let it go, please...
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JTFE: Find this post you "know" I made and then we'll talk.
Ron: What do you mean? If a Muslim murders anyone, he is still guilty of murder.
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Every Jew should be armed at all times. Atrocities like this murder make that self evident.
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Ok, so she was an evangelical missionary mistaken in her theology that Jews should be Christian. She still loved Israel and supported Israel and hated Arabs and Muslims. I don't think this is something I would celebrate.
Support for Israel does not include proselytizing to Israel. It should be made clear to Christians that we do not want them doing that in Israel. And we do not want to hear about their gospels.
Granted, I have less problem with these people than with Jews4J who do this or with so-called Christians who claim they are Jews (who believe in Jesus). But I still think missionaries are evil and are trying to destroy the Jewish people. If they get significant #'s of Jews to embrace their foreign religion, then there is no more Jewish people. It's just as insidious as intermarriage, except worse in some ways. But ultimately it kills off our people.
I agree with you. Chaim explained what this group really is and it upsets me that Israel allowed one of them to make Aliyah...I mean, come on! It seems like they allow everybody but righteous Jews, like Chaim, into Israel.
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I do not wish them death but maybe they should stop trying to destroy the Jewish people with their anti-Jewish beliefs.
You don't think our murderers deserve death?
I really do think that it is wrong for them to be in Israel, and technically they may be guilty and deserve such a penalty...
Since JTF has the policy of working with Christians we should hold off on saying that these kinds of missionaries are deserving death.
You have to be strong in your own faith.
When a J* Witness comes to my door...I slam it shut.
Similarly, we would like to slam the door shut on missionaries because they do not belong in Israel. They should be deported and not allowed in in the first place. I agree though that these arab nazis were looking to murder Jews and for that reason they should be executed and cursed. But I don't feel bad for what I feel is an evil person. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself here.
I don't disagree with you.
I don't have any experience with Christian missionaries. Nor do I want to have.
As for me, I don't think it is right to attempt to convert Jewish people to Christianity.
It is not what my faith tells me to do or how I was raised.
I think it's terrible if that is what those women were doing in Israel.
Still, on a human level, I can't see being 'happy' over a death at the hands of our enemies.
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Similarly, we would like to slam the door shut on missionaries because they do not belong in Israel. They should be deported and not allowed in in the first place. I agree though that these arab nazis were looking to murder Jews and for that reason they should be executed and cursed. But I don't feel bad for what I feel is an evil person. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself here.
Your comments are fine. I just don't think anybody should be making out the Muslim Nazis who murdered this woman out to be heroes. That's very dangerous. Even if someone hates missionaries, it's a wild stretch to think that these Muslims wouldn't also gladly kill Jews, or Christians who were not proselytizing.
Would you say the same about a Muslim killing a traitor?
Ron, give an example of a traitor..How about this, if a Muslim killed Rabin or Ben-Gurion, two of the most self-hating traitor Jews..
As long as that Muslim who murdered those Jews gets killed too, I wouldn't be as happy.
Have you heard this quote? "A man saw a skull floating picked it up and said, 'You have drowned because you drowned others. But those who have drowned you will be drowned themselves.'"?
I think justice to evil Jews should be handled by Gd or a court of righteous Jews making that judgement. If it happens in the hand of Muslim Nazis, it wouldn't make me happy unless that Muslim Nazi was executed or killed. I would be happier if another Jew executed that "justice" but less happy compared to a court bringing that evil Jew to justice. The Ultimate justice that would make me happiest is seeing Gd do His justice on that evil Jew...OR that evil Jew doing tshuva and becoming very righteous....that also would make me extremely happy.
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Fantastic quote: "A man saw a skull floating picked it up and said, 'You have drowned because you drowned others. But those who have drowned you will be drowned themselves.'"?
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Fantastic quote: "A man saw a skull floating picked it up and said, 'You have drowned because you drowned others. But those who have drowned you will be drowned themselves.'"?
I think it is in a Mishna..one of the first chapters or one of the first verses.
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Fantastic quote: "A man saw a skull floating picked it up and said, 'You have drowned because you drowned others. But those who have drowned you will be drowned themselves.'"?
I think it is in a Mishna..one of the first chapters or one of the first verses.
That is another quote from Pirkie Avot {Ethics/Wisdom of the Fathers}
This is Chapter 2 Mishnah 6
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/680285/jewish/Chapter-Two.htm
4. He would also say: Make that His will should be your will, so that He should make your will to be as His will. Nullify your will before His will, so that He should nullify the will of others before your will.
Hillel would say: Do not separate yourself from the community. Do not believe in yourself until the day you die. Do not judge your fellow until you have stood in his place. Do not say something that is not readily understood in the belief that it will ultimately be understood [or: Do not say something that ought not to be heard even in the strictest confidence, for ultimately it will be heard]. And do not say "When I free myself of my concerns, I will study,'' for perhaps you will never free yourself.
5. He would also say: A boor cannot be sin-fearing, an ignoramus cannot be pious, a bashful one cannot learn, a short-tempered person cannot teach, nor does anyone who does much business grow wise. In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man.
6. He also saw a skull floating upon the water. Said he to it: Because you drowned others, you were drowned; and those who drowned you, will themselves be drowned.
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Fantastic quote: "A man saw a skull floating picked it up and said, 'You have drowned because you drowned others. But those who have drowned you will be drowned themselves.'"?
I think it is in a Mishna..one of the first chapters or one of the first verses.
That is another quote from Pirkie Avot {Ethics/Wisdom of the Fathers}
This is Chapter 2 Mishnah 6
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/680285/jewish/Chapter-Two.htm
4. He would also say: Make that His will should be your will, so that He should make your will to be as His will. Nullify your will before His will, so that He should nullify the will of others before your will.
Hillel would say: Do not separate yourself from the community. Do not believe in yourself until the day you die. Do not judge your fellow until you have stood in his place. Do not say something that is not readily understood in the belief that it will ultimately be understood [or: Do not say something that ought not to be heard even in the strictest confidence, for ultimately it will be heard]. And do not say "When I free myself of my concerns, I will study,'' for perhaps you will never free yourself.
5. He would also say: A boor cannot be sin-fearing, an ignoramus cannot be pious, a bashful one cannot learn, a short-tempered person cannot teach, nor does anyone who does much business grow wise. In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man.
6. He also saw a skull floating upon the water. Said he to it: Because you drowned others, you were drowned; and those who drowned you, will themselves be drowned.
good stuff
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So, JTFE, care to explain how I am a "Jew hater"?
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I'm taking Muman's advice and stearing clear of you for awhile.
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
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I didn't say anything at all to JTFE, just out of left field, he became his usual self. ::)
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I didn't say anything at all to JTFE, just out of left field, he became his usual self. ::)
I just don't want to get involved.
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I certainly do not support Christian missionaries.
But I don't understand why so many Jews are so afraid of them. To me, that attitude reflects personal insecurity and weakness. Strong and proud Jews will not be seduced. You don't develop people's strength and confidence by trying to cut them off from the rest of the world. On the contrary, they are strong and truly faithful only as long as they remain proud Jews while living in a free and open society that does not try to ban foreign influences.
Also, I don't agree that a Christian missionary is as bad as a Nazi. A Christian missionary will try to convince you to turn to Christianity by discussing with you. All you have to tell him/her is : thanks, but no, I'm not convinced by you, I am a proud Jew and I don't intend to convert to Christianity. A Nazi will not engage in a dialogue with you and stop if you ask him to. He will send you right away to a gas chamber.
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I certainly do not support Christian missionaries.
But I don't understand why so many Jews are so afraid of them. To me, that attitude reflects personal insecurity and weakness. Strong and proud Jews will not be seduced. You don't develop people's strength and confidence by trying to cut them off from the rest of the world. On the contrary, they are strong and truly faithful only as long as they remain proud Jews while living in a free and open society that does not try to ban foreign influences.
Also, I don't agree that a Christian missionary is as bad as a Nazi. A Christian missionary will try to convince you to turn to Christianity by discussing with you. All you have to tell him/her is : thanks, but no, I'm not convinced by you, I am a proud Jew and I don't intend to convert to Christianity. A Nazi will not engage in a dialogue with you and stop if you ask him to. He will send you right away to a gas chamber.
I bet to differ because I dealt with this when I was in college. In my last year the Intervarsity Christian Fellowship wanted to invite a "Messianic Jewish" "Rabbi" to come speak to our Hillel about Jesus and the Passover. Some members of my retarded Hillel actually bought it and I was one of the outspoken people on my campus to be like, "What the hell, are you guys retarded?! This guy isn't even Jewish! It's a ploy!" I wrote something in the opinion piece of the school paper about this group which quelled things up. We then had a Jews for Judaism rabbi come and talk about missionaries and how they prey on VULNERABLE Jewish college students who don't know any better..and apparantly there were a lot of them on my campus...those reform Jews who were looking for spirituality because their parents didn't give it to them. I realized at that point I didn't know didley squat about details of the Jewish bible and started up on my reading so none of those freaks try to pull anything off on me in front of other people.
I'm sorry, I don't have a love loss on missionaries who try to supercede Judaism. The nice ones who say, "we love Israel and we will pray for you," I say, "I will pray for you too." The Jews for Jesus groups or aggressive militant Christian missionaries, I shut the door on their faces in disgust.
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This is really very troubling, thats why we are to pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. Christians are being persecuted everywhere as well as Jews. The time drawers nearer for the Messiah, the signs are coming at us very quickly.
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
actually, he was referring to a specific type of temple that accepted homosexual relationships if i recall correctly.
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
actually, he was referring to a specific type of temple that accepted homosexual relationships if i recall correctly.
He also argued with some other JTFers that this place deserved to be bombed. I don't care what kind of synagogue it was. Justifying an attack on any synagogue has no place on this forum. Calling any synagogue a 'bathhouse' is so disgusting, that I can't believe anyone on a Jewish forum would tolerate such a massive act of chillul hashem! If no one else finds this comparison grossly indecent, then so be it. But I am not changing my view or what I know DGF wrote.
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
actually, he was referring to a specific type of temple that accepted homosexual relationships if i recall correctly.
He also argued with some other JTFers that this place deserved to be bombed. I don't care what kind of synagogue it was. Justifying an attack on any synagogue has no place on this forum. Calling any synagogue a 'bathhouse' is so disgusting, that I can't believe anyone on a Jewish forum would tolerate such a massive act of chillul hashem! If no one else finds this comparison grossly indecent, then so be it. But I am not changing my view or what I know DGF wrote.
JTFE2,
I hear what you are saying but I do not agree. If a 'congregation' calls a house of Idolatry a 'synagogue' that does not make it one... If there is homosexual dating or mingling going on inside this so-called synagogue then it may well deserve some punishment from Hashem..
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
actually, he was referring to a specific type of temple that accepted homosexual relationships if i recall correctly.
He also argued with some other JTFers that this place deserved to be bombed. I don't care what kind of synagogue it was. Justifying an attack on any synagogue has no place on this forum. Calling any synagogue a 'bathhouse' is so disgusting, that I can't believe anyone on a Jewish forum would tolerate such a massive act of chillul hashem! If no one else finds this comparison grossly indecent, then so be it. But I am not changing my view or what I know DGF wrote.
JTFE2,
I hear what you are saying but I do not agree. If a 'congregation' calls a house of Idolatry a 'synagogue' that does not make it one... If there is homosexual dating or mingling going on inside this so-called synagogue then it may well deserve some punishment from Hashem..
The issue is not "homosexual dating" going on there, it's that the synagogue's policy was a policy of openness to gays and lesbians - I don't know exactly what that consists of, but if that means promoting homosexual relations, then that's clearly deviant and should not call itself a synagogue (well, they don't, they call themselves a temple :) )
Granted, calling the place a 'bathhouse' is ridiculous hyperbole... But kind of humorous, I guess.
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You two should take Muman's wise advice, and maybe settle it in private message if you prefer.
It is clear who started this, please read DBF's post in which he calls a synagogue a "bath house." Disgusting!
I don't want to get involved, but I think you two need to work out your problems with each other somehow. I don't know if all this stems from misunderstanding or what, but it is useless for you two to be constantly fighting each other.
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No Deform "synagogue" is a real synagogue, regardless of the gay issue. Just by being Deformed, it's an abomination.
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Calling any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is something so vile that I am not going to keep repeating it here. While I, and I doubt anyone here, has been to one, comparing any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is such a chillul Hashem, that I really do not want to discuss this further. If you think this is ok, then that is between you and Hashem.
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A Deform Baal-worship temple is not "Jewish".
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Calling any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is something so vile that I am not going to keep repeating it here. While I, and I doubt anyone here, has been to one, comparing any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is such a chillul Hashem, that I really do not want to discuss this further. If you think this is ok, then that is between you and Hashem.
I hear your point. It's not something I would say. It's quite vile.
Except for exceptional circumstances I think the halacha basically forbids participating in reform and conservative synagogues. They may be dens of political correctness and sometimes atheism, but I wouldn't go so far as to start labeling it with crazy terms and names. There are many sincere Jews there who are just going to pray.
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Calling any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is something so vile that I am not going to keep repeating it here. While I, and I doubt anyone here, has been to one, comparing any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is such a chillul Hashem, that I really do not want to discuss this further. If you think this is ok, then that is between you and Hashem.
While a terror attack of a reform temple would be considered an attack on Judaism, the institute itself is certainly not a Jewish house of worship, but a house of rebellion. So I really don't take offense from DBF calling a certain reform temple a bath house.
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Calling any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is something so vile that I am not going to keep repeating it here. While I, and I doubt anyone here, has been to one, comparing any Jewish place of worship a 'bathhouse' is such a chillul Hashem, that I really do not want to discuss this further. If you think this is ok, then that is between you and Hashem.
While a terror attack of a reform temple would be considered an attack on Judaism, the institute itself is certainly not a Jewish house of worship, but a house of rebellion. So I really don't take offense from DBF calling a certain reform temple a bath house.
Please do not respond to me further on this thread. I am not coming back here. I am sick that you are all so passive about Jew hatred as long as you can tell yourselves that this synagogue which was tolerant of homosexuals deserves to be called a bath house. That is pure anti-Semitism. Any attack on a Jew for being a Jew should be condemned by JTF. I'm not arguing this point anymore. Really, just disgusting!
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Except for exceptional circumstances I think the halacha basically forbids participating in reform and conservative synagogues. They may be dens of political correctness and sometimes atheism, but I wouldn't go so far as to start labeling it with crazy terms and names. There are many sincere Jews there who are just going to pray.
Any supposedly Jewish house of worship that denies that the Bible is G-d's eternal word for all mankind (and the Chosen People in particular) is a vile fraud. If it is actively brainwashing gullible, lost Jews with the satanic lie that the abomination of sodomy is just great, then it does qualify to be called a brothel.
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I just want to add my two cents here.
Since we have Jews and non-Jews here, we have to remember to be sensitive when writing about the houses of worship of other members religions.
For example, I remember reading on a blog about some church that had a lesbian women minister (or whatever they're called). And there was this other church where the female minister actually became a Muslim. For a while she actually practiced both faiths. But she was eventually defrocked when word got our of her conversion to Islam. I have no problem with saying or writing that these people are crazy. But that's as far as I'll go.
Now getting back to that gay friendly "Temple" that was a target of Muslim terrorists. You guys are all missing the point. This is not about supporting homosexuality. That place was a terror target because it was seen as a Jewish house of worship. So arguing about whether or not the place is a "bathhouse" is irrelevant in this case. Those Moosies were after Jews, period.
Here's something else to consider. I remember either reading about, or hearing on an old Ask JTF show about how, in the days of the old JDL, some black race pimp was trying to hit up Jews for reparations to blacks. Anyway, I don't remember all the details. But somehow this person was able to get a group of Jews at some Conservative or Reform "Temple" to let him speak there. (I guess he threatened and whined his way in.) When the JDL found out about this, they pretty much took over the place, and threatened to beat the snot out of that schvartza if he came near the building. Did they care that these were self hating Jews? In this case, no! To that black race pimp and his fans, those were just Jews. To not come to their defense, even though they were self-hating, would have only reinforced the message that Jews are weak pushovers.
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Now getting back to that gay friendly "Temple" that was a target of Muslim terrorists. You guys are all missing the point. This is not about supporting homosexuality. That place was a terror target because it was seen as a Jewish house of worship. So arguing about whether or not the place is a "bathhouse" is irrelevant in this case. Those Moosies were after Jews, period.
Of course that is true, Lisa, and those Moosies need a date with a bucket of napalm and a match more than I need one with Christina Hendricks. But that fag "synagogue" should still be shut down, and its congregants all shipped away to a mental hospital, preferably one on a very remote island.
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Now getting back to that gay friendly "Temple" that was a target of Muslim terrorists. You guys are all missing the point. This is not about supporting homosexuality. That place was a terror target because it was seen as a Jewish house of worship. So arguing about whether or not the place is a "bathhouse" is irrelevant in this case. Those Moosies were after Jews, period.
For sure we established that in the other thread. I think all of us were in agreement on that point (except maybe daniel, I don't remember). But I think that now, after the fact, it is an argument over using that term just in general about any shul or so-called shul that is gay promoting etc.
You make a good point that the JDL protected a reform so-called shul from the shvartza's trying to extort reparations. On the other hand of course "reform Judaism" is never legitimized. But it may be that calling it a bath house is over the line. I know some rabbis have referred to reform 'temples' as abominations ( I think Rabbi Mordecai Eliyahu did).
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It actually far from certain that the bath house temple was actually a target so all this discussion is pretty much hypothetical. Lisa I am not sure what you were trying to say. The reform movement is a disgusting, rebellious, assimilationist abomination that worships conceptual idols such as "diversity" and "tollerance" and mocks Judaism. Are you saying that I have no right of calling this beast for what it is, or that I can because I'm a Jew and DBF can't cause he isn't ? If that is what you say then gentiles are also suppose to recognize "messianic Judaism" as authentic type of Judaism, and black Israelites too for that matter.
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I don't see why the term "abomination" is permissible but "bathhouse" isn't. If they are actively promoting sodomy in the name of "Judaism", then yes, it qualifies as a perverse sodomite brothel.
How about this--most Deform "synagogues" gleefully support the dismemberment of millions of tiny children, so how about calling them "butcher shops" instead? Would that make the gay apologist JTFE happier?
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Islam is closer to Judaism than Reform "Judaism". And calling it "bath-house" is too polite. But there is a difference.
Missionaries are Crusader Nazis who dedicate their worthhless lives to the elimination of Judaism.Reform "synagogues", although disasterous, do represent Judaism in the eyes of Islam and thus attacking them causes the same Chilul Hashem as would an attack on a real Synagouge.
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In my mind, the question isn't whether or not a Deform whorehouse deserves to be called a bathhouse, but why JTFE considers a Deform toilet to be an actual synagogue.
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Reform "synagogues", although disasterous, do represent Judaism in the eyes of Islam and thus attacking them causes the same Chilul Hashem as would an attack on a real Synagouge.
Nobody said that Deform "synagogues" should be attacked by Muslims. But shouldn't their "rabbis" be put on trial for blasphemy and gross perversion?
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Reform "synagogues", although disasterous, do represent Judaism in the eyes of Islam and thus attacking them causes the same Chilul Hashem as would an attack on a real Synagouge.
Nobody said that Deform "synagogues" should be attacked by Muslims. But shouldn't their "rabbis" be put on trial for blasphemy and gross perversion?
They should be treated the same way all terrorists should be treated.
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I don't think anybody said that all Deform members deserve severe judgment. We were talking about the so-called "rabbis" that are teaching that faggotry is okay in the eyes of G-d.
As for the missionaries, do remember too that in the eyes of Islam, they were considered Jews.
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In my mind, the question isn't whether or not a Deform whorehouse deserves to be called a bathhouse, but why JTFE considers a Deform toilet to be an actual synagogue.
Apparently he doesn't wish to further discuss this matter and anyway we shouldn't make it personal. Everyone is free to have his own opinion.
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Apparently he doesn't wish to further discuss this matter and anyway we shouldn't make it personal. Everyone is free to have his own opinion.
Fine. I continue to think that calling it that is completely warranted since it was never a synagogue to begin with. If anyone here wants to flame evil "churches" that ordain homosexuals or promote abortion, I doubt any Christian members would object.
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Apparently he doesn't wish to further discuss this matter and anyway we shouldn't make it personal. Everyone is free to have his own opinion.
Fine. I continue to think that calling it that is completely warranted since it was never a synagogue to begin with. If anyone here wants to flame evil "churches" that ordain homosexuals or promote abortion, I doubt any Christian members would object.
While I don't object to your bathouse statement it should be made clear that the entire reform movement is an abomination, whether they are pro homosexual or not, it is only a byproduct of the evil foundation of this movement.
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Yes, I know it is an abomination. Any religious movement that denies that the Bible is the absolute word of G-d and that its messages are eternally true is an abomination.
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I will voice my feeling that it is one thing to condemn the Reform movement and its leaders and so-called Rabbis, but it is a whole other thing to condemn all who belong to such synagogues. I shudder to think what would have happened to my Jewish identity if my parents joined a Reform Temple. When we first moved to Connecticut we first joined a reform temple and only after realizing how bereft of Jewish belief it was my parents pulled my brother and I out of it and we joined a Conservative synagogue.
Some Jews are brought up within that system and I am not going to condemn them for that. I believe that the Talmud discusses the case of a Jew who was brought up by wolves and never was taught the authentic Jewish faith. Such a person is not wicked or evil, they just do not know any better because of the fact that they were born into such a family.
It is also possible that some of those reform temple youngsters are actually really Jewish, and that some time in their teenage years they may want to make the leap to Orthodox Jewish observance. We should always try to bring Jews back into the Torah and the Torah lifestyle.
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I certainly do not support Christian missionaries.
But I don't understand why so many Jews are so afraid of them. To me, that attitude reflects personal insecurity and weakness. Strong and proud Jews will not be seduced. You don't develop people's strength and confidence by trying to cut them off from the rest of the world. On the contrary, they are strong and truly faithful only as long as they remain proud Jews while living in a free and open society that does not try to ban foreign influences.
Also, I don't agree that a Christian missionary is as bad as a Nazi. A Christian missionary will try to convince you to turn to Christianity by discussing with you. All you have to tell him/her is : thanks, but no, I'm not convinced by you, I am a proud Jew and I don't intend to convert to Christianity. A Nazi will not engage in a dialogue with you and stop if you ask him to. He will send you right away to a gas chamber.
One important difference:
When dealing with physical death at the hands of a Nazi, the Jew becomes a Kiddush Hashem martyr and enjoys the World to Come.
When dealing with the spiritual death at the hands of a Missionary, the Jew becomes a Chillul Hashem aprikus whose soul is extinguished therby having no place in the World to Come.
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Missionaries of any religion, who target Jews, dying is no cause for morning. In fact there is reason to rejoice, not for their death [it is a pity they did not lead a righteous life, and now have no ability to do so], but instead for no Jewish souls will be murdered by their continued treacherous conniving. -- It is certainly better evil missionaries die than Jews, especially in Israel.
If no Muslims or missionaries were allowed in Israel this would have never happened.
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I will voice my feeling that it is one thing to condemn the Reform movement and its leaders and so-called Rabbis, but it is a whole other thing to condemn all who belong to such synagogues. I shudder to think what would have happened to my Jewish identity if my parents joined a Reform Temple. When we first moved to Connecticut we first joined a reform temple and only after realizing how bereft of Jewish belief it was my parents pulled my brother and I out of it and we joined a Conservative synagogue.
Some Jews are brought up within that system and I am not going to condemn them for that. I believe that the Talmud discusses the case of a Jew who was brought up by wolves and never was taught the authentic Jewish faith. Such a person is not wicked or evil, they just do not know any better because of the fact that they were born into such a family.
It is also possible that some of those reform temple youngsters are actually really Jewish, and that some time in their teenage years they may want to make the leap to Orthodox Jewish observance. We should always try to bring Jews back into the Torah and the Torah lifestyle.
+1
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As for the missionaries, do remember too that in the eyes of Islam, they were considered Jews.
WTF?
They werent. Jews dont have crosses on their necks, don't sell Xtian books, etc. Even if they did think they would have found out they aren't soon, just like we did. And we should praise this unintentional Kidush Hashem just like we should praise a Muslim killing another Muslim, and more because Nazi missionaries murder Jews spiritually is worse than murdering them phsyically. An attack on a Jewish symbol, although a fake one, is not the same as attacking Nazi Crusader terrorists who were looking for Jews to murder spiritually.
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As for the missionaries, do remember too that in the eyes of Islam, they were considered Jews.
WTF?
They werent. Jews dont have crosses on their necks, don't sell Xtian books, etc. Even if they did think they would have found out they aren't soon, just like we did. And we should praise this unintentional Kidush Hashem just like we should praise a Muslim killing another Muslim, and more because Nazi missionaries murder Jews spiritually is worse than murdering them phsyically. An attack on a Jewish symbol, although a fake one, is not the same as attacking Nazi Crusader terrorists who were looking for Jews to murder spiritually.
The survivor woman described how the Arab took of her Magen David necklace and stabbed her on the spot where it lied.
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As for the missionaries, do remember too that in the eyes of Islam, they were considered Jews.
WTF?
They werent. Jews dont have crosses on their necks, don't sell Xtian books, etc. Even if they did think they would have found out they aren't soon, just like we did. And we should praise this unintentional Kidush Hashem just like we should praise a Muslim killing another Muslim, and more because Nazi missionaries murder Jews spiritually is worse than murdering them phsyically. An attack on a Jewish symbol, although a fake one, is not the same as attacking Nazi Crusader terrorists who were looking for Jews to murder spiritually.
The survivor woman described how the Arab took of her Magen David necklace and stabbed her on the spot where it lied.
(http://www.jewsforjesus.org.au/catalog/images/uploads/jw014_l.jpg)
Anyway, its not the point. I dont care if the Arabs thought she's Jewish or not. Missionaries are not Jews or Jewish to defend but rotten terrorists who should at least be fried/given to Muslims.
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So you think that these Arabs were specifically out to defend the Holy Land from missionaries, Ron?
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It actually far from certain that the bath house temple was actually a target so all this discussion is pretty much hypothetical. Lisa I am not sure what you were trying to say. The reform movement is a disgusting, rebellious, assimilationist abomination that worships conceptual idols such as "diversity" and "tollerance" and mocks Judaism. Are you saying that I have no right of calling this beast for what it is, or that I can because I'm a Jew and DBF can't cause he isn't ? If that is what you say then gentiles are also suppose to recognize "messianic Judaism" as authentic type of Judaism, and black Israelites too for that matter.
Zelhar, I'm NOT defending the Reform movement. I do not believe in diversity and tolerance. So call them whatever you like. All I'm trying to say is that many people who are members of these places are (most likely) Jews born of Jewish mothers. So we can dislike these people and disagree with them as much as we like. But technically, many of them are still Jews according to Jewish law, and according to non-Jews. So if such a place were to really be attacked by terrorists, it would be in our interest to come to their defense. That way, Jews as a group look strong, as opposed to looking like wimps.
Here's another example for you guys to ponder. Back in the days of the old JDL, Rabbi Kahane and Chaim fought against affirmative actions in the New York City public schools and city colleges. Now we all know how bolshevik the public schools are, and forget about colleges. In other words, your average liberal Jew (many of whom probably attended deformed and conserved "temples") were getting screwed over in favor of less qualified minorities. Nonetheless, Chaim and Rabbi Kahane never cherry-picked which Jews they would defend. They fought on behalf of Jews as a group.
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So you think that these Arabs were specifically out to defend the Holy Land from missionaries, Ron?
Your love of your fellow missionaries turns your arguments into an excellent reflection of your insanity.
I dont care why these Arabs killed the Nazi missioary. They killed a murderer of my people. Im rejoiced even more than I do when a Muslim Nazi dies because spiritual holocaust is worse than a physical one.
Or maybe we should mourn the death of the pro-Israel, Jew-loving, peaceful Nazi PLO terrorists who were butchered by Hamas terrorists and defend the PLO just because Hamas terrorists thinks they are Zionist agents and because they would kill Jews as well.