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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 02, 2011, 09:58:48 AM
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So, what be you all doing to celebrate the most important month of the year, Schvartze "History" Month?
I disagree with Chaim that we shouldn't honor SHM. I think we should because of the black race's enormous accomplishments! I mean, there aren't too many people groups that were more advanced 5000 years ago than they are at present. I believe that deserves some honor and mention! ;D :laugh:
TBF
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I'll have a piece of fried chicken and some watermelon
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I looked for some of that Arizona tea "Grapeade" but I can't find any at Walgreens.
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I be stayin away from dem damn books. I be shootin hoops, and givin da slip to ma landlord, cause the rent is too damn high! :::D
On a serious note, did anyone see the article about that the (rent is too damn high) ghetto chimp wants to be president? Are you freaking kidding me? Scary stuff!
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All of the above and more.
* blam'n da white man
* steal'n TVs 'cauze I be hungry
* more white womins
* more dope
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All of the above and more.
* blam'n da white man
* steal'n TVs 'cauze I be hungry
* more white womins
* more dope
:::D :::D :::D :::D :laugh:
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All of dee above!!! Plus mo'
Buyin' me some crack.
blam'n da white man.
Git muh welfare check.
Kill some crackahs.
Listen to Lil' Wayne.
Play sum hoops.
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All of dee above!!! Plus mo'
Buyin' me some crack.
blam'n da white man.
Git muh welfare check.
Kill some crackahs.
Wow Do you live in a parallel universe?
We think alike
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I will spend it trying to figure out which Hollywood stars and politicians are closet gays. (Just kidding)
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Wow Do you live in a parallel universe?
We think alike
Yes we do.
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I will be celebrating the many technological and architectural achievements of blacks.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2007/04/cultureclash.jpg)
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This thread is outrageous! Why offending a whole race? And what's the problem with some primitive tribes. A primitive man who keeps fire because he doesn't know how to light it, can still merit Olam Habaa if he keeps the Seven Noahide Laws.
You cannot allow this kind of anti-Torah threads and have a Torah section here. It might be Hilul Hashe-m.
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I will spend it trying to figure out which Hollywood stars and politicians are closet gays. (Just kidding)
:::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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This thread is outrageous! Why offending a whole race? And what's the problem with some primitive tribes. A primitive man who keeps fire because he doesn't know how to light it, can still merit Olam Habaa if he keeps the Seven Noahide Laws.
You cannot allow this kind of anti-Torah threads and have a Torah section here. It might be Hilul Hashem.
In many ways I do agree with you. But I understand the reason many JTF members feel this way. The whole problem with African-Americans is that they believe that their skin color entitles them to special treatment. This is expressed in Affirmative Action which promotes 'minorities' to positions which they otherwise are not competent to fill. Many hard-working American whites and educated Jews are pushed aside in consideration for positions because of quotas which must be filled with 'minorities' which virtually always are black people. It is funny when people throw around the word 'minority' considering that Jews are the smallest minority in the country and on the planet yet there is no affirmative action which ensures Jews a livelyhood. Only Hashem provides for the Jewish people...
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This thread is outrageous! Why offending a whole race? And what's the problem with some primitive tribes. A primitive man who keeps fire because he doesn't know how to light it, can still merit Olam Habaa if he keeps the Seven Noahide Laws.
You cannot allow this kind of anti-Torah threads and have a Torah section here. It might be Hilul Hashem.
How offending is the truth ? Schwartzes have accomplished nothing that merits a whole month dedicated for them (a second would suffice). Oh and generally speaking the primitive tribes are far from being some sort of noble savages, they are cruel moronic inbred people who rape and mutilate their own children. The only good thing about them is that they are too far removed from civilization to inflict any real damage on it.
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Muman, JTFers may feel annoyed with some privilges awarded to Blacks in USA but mocking a race or skin colour H" has created borders blasphemy. Anyway, even if insults against someone were justified (they aren't in this case), one is supposed to avoid that behaviour in a Jewish site as one would not go to a synagogue to do cathariss and insult enemies. There should be more respect to the fact there is a Torah section here.
Zelhar, if Blacks have achieved little or no technological or scientical development in Africa, it's not our concern. They are not at war with Israel, USA or Europe. A primitive who does nothing deserves more respect than someone who uses modern technolgy for evil. Israel is not harrassed by hunting-gatherers. She is harrassed by Arabs and Iranians.
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Raul, the thing is there is in America at least an insanity of schwartze worshiping and JTF opposes this trend justifiably. As Not only is it an insane fallacy that makes people aspire to be dumb and violent as the schwartze "geniuses", but most schwartze worshipers and schwartze leaders are rabid Jew haters.
There shouldn't be a Schwartze history month or Schwartze worshipping whatsoever, and if there weren't then indeed there would be no reason to laugh about it.
Last I think you are unaware that more than half of the dark continent is muslim and so Jew haters, and even the other non-muslims are mostly Jew haters (see for example South Africa and Zimbabwe). BTW for the last few years Israel itself has been invaded by "hunter gatherers" from Africa.
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Muman, JTFers may feel annoyed with some privilges awarded to Blacks in USA but mocking a race or skin colour H" has created borders blasphemy. Anyway, even if insults against someone were justified (they aren't in this case), one is supposed to avoid that behaviour in a Jewish site as one would not go to a synagogue to do cathariss and insult enemies. There should be more respect to the fact there is a Torah section here.
Zelhar, if Blacks have achieved little or no technological or scientical development in Africa, it's not our concern. They are not at war with Israel, USA or Europe. A primitive who does nothing deserves more respect than someone who uses modern technolgy for evil. Israel is not harrassed by hunting-gatherers. She is harrassed by Arabs and Iranians.
RaulMarrio2000,
I myself do not engage in this kind of denigration of other races and ethnicities. But I will not condemn those who do because there are reasons for this. I myself was attacked by violent black savages here in California in the 80s and got my nose broken by these Crips {a black gang here in the states}. I lived with some black drug addicts also and witnessed first hand how depraved they can become when trying to obtain crack cocaine {to the point of ignoring the cries of their children}.
I currently live in a mixed neighborhood and generally get along with the blacks and mexicans with no problem. I also give to african-american poor when they ask. But I also feel that the general direction african americans is moving is towards more entitlements and handouts, and not improving their intellect and their skills to be more valuable...
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I also give to african-american poor when they ask.
This is something to be proud of while calling yourself a JTFer?
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I certainly don't blame those who make fun of "Black History Month" and I join in the criticism of affirmative action. It's sane and fair to mock all this. There is only one thing that bothers me in this thread, it is this concept of "Black race" because such a thing doesn't exist - just as there is not a unified group with identical cultural and biological features that could be called the "White race". The whole concept of "race" is spurious.
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Raul, if we can't mock the hideously evilness of this month, than we are a bunch of cowards. This month is wrong in every way, its wrong for people to be honored who look a certain way, and its especially wrong, since these people are FAR less deserving then those who dont look llike them.
I dont hate people who look a certain way, I hate the culture and hypocrisy of black idolatry, and it needs to be mocked.
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I certainly don't blame those who make fun of "Black History Month" and I join in the criticism of affirmative action. It's sane and fair to mock all this. There is only one thing that bothers me in this thread, it is this concept of "Black race" because such a thing doesn't exist - just as there is not a unified group with identical cultural and biological features that could be called the "White race". The whole concept of "race" is spurious.
Technically you're right but since blacks view themselves as a single, unified group, we treat them as such. Of course they aren't genetically inferior people but they have made the collective choice, with very few exceptions, to be inferior people anyway.
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This is something to be proud of while calling yourself a JTFer?
Where does it say that a Jew must not give Tzadeka to a poor person? It is a mitzvah to give to the poor of the world...
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Where does it say that a Jew must not give Tzadeka to a poor person? It is a mitzvah to give to the poor of the world...
But you can't give to JTF.
Unique logic.
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But you can't give to JTF.
Unique logic.
TBF, I will be giving to JTF very soon... But there is nothing preventing me from giving $2 to a starving woman on the street...
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Raul, if we can't mock the hideously evilness of this month, than we are a bunch of cowards. This month is wrong in every way, its wrong for people to be honored who look a certain way, and its especially wrong, since these people are FAR less deserving then those who dont look llike them.
I dont hate people who look a certain way, I hate the culture and hypocrisy of black idolatry, and it needs to be mocked.
Is it so difficult to oppose or even mock Affirmative Action without insulting races? I also oppose Affirmative Action because it's against my libertarian ideas. I believe in free competiveness without State intervention. Anyway, that picture you posted is not of an Afroamerican claiming his Affirmative Action benefits, but of an African primitive who claims nothing from us. Pirkei Avot says we must not despise any person or even any object because everyone and everything has a place in H"s plan.
And I hold that whoever is really happy and satisfied with his lot, doesn't feel the need to attack other's lifestiles or cultures. If you were satisfied with modern Western civilization, you wouldn't feel upset about primitives in a distant continent.
I use modern technology as far as my economical situation permits me, and I don't feel the need of approval from a distant tribe. If they reject and don't care about PCs, cell phones, TV and MP3's, it doesn't affect me in the least. I just enjoy it, and don't care if they are happy by just gathering and hunting.
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TBF, I will be giving to JTF very soon... But there is nothing preventing me from giving $2 to a starving woman on the street...
So you'd rather give money to the enemies of the Jewish people than JTF?
Granted, maybe that's the wrong question to ask. How do we know that you don't just say these things to get a rise from us or see if we'll believe it, like when you proudly claimed to speed by 50mph over the posted speed limit each and every day?
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I must agree with Raul. Unlike the arabs, most blacks don't hate america's very existence, just it's past (justifiably so). While they dont really produce much, they don't purposely destroy things either. While I do find this thread funny and I'm totally against race-based affirmative action , I don't think we should be making enemies of the blacks, especially considering that the most pro-Israel and anti-Islamic person in congress is a black man.
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I must agree with Raul. Unlike the arabs, most blacks don't hate america's very existence, just it's past (justifiably so). While they dont really produce much, they don't purposely destroy things either. While I do find this thread funny and I'm totally against race-based affirmative action , I don't think we should be making enemies of the blacks, especially considering that the most pro-Israel and anti-Islamic person in congress is a black man.
He is an exception to the rule.
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I must agree with Raul. Unlike the arabs, most blacks don't hate america's very existence, just it's past (justifiably so). While they dont really produce much, they don't purposely destroy things either. While I do find this thread funny and I'm totally against race-based affirmative action , I don't think we should be making enemies of the blacks, especially considering that the most pro-Israel and anti-Islamic person in congress is a black man.
They don't purposely destroy things either? Hmmm....have you ever been to any predominately black neighborhoods?
I will spend most of this month helping my child discern what is revisionist history from what is factual. >:( There will be no time for celebrating.
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There will be no time for celebrating.
I do plan on celebrating the hilarious AA stories that our great Chaim will be sharing with us! I also have many of my own courtesy of having a negro neighbor for a year. ;D :laugh:
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So you'd rather give money to the enemies of the Jewish people than JTF?
Granted, maybe that's the wrong question to ask. How do we know that you don't just say these things to get a rise from us or see if we'll believe it, like when you proudly claimed to speed by 50mph over the posted speed limit each and every day?
Huh? I did not say that I speed every day. You seem to have suggested this yourself and then came to believe your own false statement:
You speed by 50mph every day? How are you still alive? It's hard to see that as even being possible on any CA freeway outside of the eastern deserts.
And since when are Blacks the enemy of the Jewish people? Where did you learn this one?
I have witnessed more antisemitism from so-called whites than any blacks {and I have encountered many}....
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Huh? I did not say that I speed every day. You seem to have suggested this yourself and then came to believe your own false statement:
And since when are Blacks the enemy of the Jewish people? Where did you learn this one?
I have witnessed more antisemitism from so-called whites than any blacks {and I have encountered many}....
And I rest my case.
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And I rest my case.
And what case is that?
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Huh? I did not say that I speed every day. You seem to have suggested this yourself and then came to believe your own false statement:
And since when are Blacks the enemy of the Jewish people? Where did you learn this one?
I have witnessed more antisemitism from so-called whites than any blacks {and I have encountered many}....
What is a so called white?
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What is a so called white?
People who call themselves 'white'... As others have pointed out here there is no such thing as a white race...
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People who call themselves 'white'... As others have pointed out here there is no such thing as a white race...
That will be news to a lot of people! :o So what do I call myself then? I'm not actually 'whitish'. What a dilemma! How am I going to fill out forms? Do you think this entitles me to affirmative action stuff?
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That will be news to a lot of people! :o So what do I call myself then? I'm not actually 'whitish'. What a dilemma! How am I going to fill out forms? Do you think this entitles me to affirmative action stuff?
:::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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That will be news to a lot of people! :o So what do I call myself then? I'm not actually 'whitish'. What a dilemma! How am I going to fill out forms? Do you think this entitles me to affirmative action stuff?
No... Of course not... But the point I was making is that I have seen less antisemitism from blacks than from those who call themselves white... Back in the 80s when the Crips came down on a group of friends I was with it was not because I was Jewish {at that time I had not yet done teshuva and looked like an average long-hair hippie}...
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People who call themselves 'white'... As others have pointed out here there is no such thing as a white race...
Hold it wait a minute :o What others?? And you believe a thing like that :::D Don't let the political correctness stupidity get the best of you... There is most certainly a white race.
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No... Of course not... But the point I was making is that I have seen less antisemitism from blacks than from those who call themselves white... Back in the 80s when the Crips came down on a group of friends I was with it was not because I was Jewish {at that time I had not yet done teshuva and looked like an average long-hair hippie}...
How do you 'call yourself' white? I don't understand.
I know many blacks. Quite a few are anti white...lumping us all together. Jew, Italian, Irish...
Should I go on?
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Hold it wait a minute :o What others?? And you believe a thing like that :::D Don't let the political correctness stupidity get the best of you... There is most certainly a white race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#History_of_the_term
White people (also called Caucasian) is a term which usually refers to human beings characterized, at least in part, by the light pigmentation of their skin. Rather than a straightforward description of skin color, the term white denotes a specific set of ethnic groups and functions as a color metaphor for race.
One common definition of a "white person" is a person of primarily European ancestry.[1] However, the definition of a "white person" differs according to geographical and historical context, and various social constructions of whiteness have had implications in terms of national identity, consanguinity, public policy, religion, population statistics, racial segregation, affirmative action, eugenics, racial marginalization and racial quotas. The concept has been applied with varying degrees of formality and internal consistency in disciplines including: sociology, politics, genetics, biology, medicine, biomedicine, language, culture, and law.
cjd, please post a link which describes what constitutes this white race?
Bc3,
Everyone with white skin does not call themselves 'white'... What is hard to understand about that?
But obviously 'white skin' is not all that is in consideration. The Nazis {yemach shemo} did not consider white Jews to be white...
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How do you 'call yourself' white? I don't understand.
I know many blacks. Quite a few are anti white...lumping us all together. Jew, Italian, Irish...
Should I go on?
Im sorry you have such a bad experience... But I can tell you that they are not all like this.
I am not here to defend the bad... But I will not lump all into a category which they do not belong in..
I know that the black woman I gave $2 the other night for food was truly in need and hungry. I fulfilled the mitzvah of tzedakah by doing so..
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No... Of course not... But the point I was making is that I have seen less antisemitism from blacks than from those who call themselves white... Back in the 80s when the Crips came down on a group of friends I was with it was not because I was Jewish {at that time I had not yet done teshuva and looked like an average long-hair hippie}...
Muman, that may be what you experienced, but thats not at all the whole picture.
Blacks are FAR more likely to hate Jews than whites.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/tobin121298.asp
THE UNPLEASANT TRUTH OF BLACK ANTI-SEMITISM
But here's the bad news: The ADL survey's "index of anti-Semitic belief" shows that in one segment of American society, Jew-hatred is still strong is among African-Americans. 34 percent of black Americans fit into the ADL's category of most anti-Semitic. That is compared to only 9 percent of the general population.
Also, Democrats are more likely too be anti-semtitic than Repubs:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=16744 and http://www.aish.com/ci/s/48971001.html
Democrats were especially prone to blaming Jews: while 32 percent of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame (for Americas problems), only 18.4 percent of Republicans did so (a statistically significant difference).
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brian,
I will agree that most Democrats will have antisemitic ideas...
But my experience here in CA has not revealed any antisemitic feelings that I can discern..
And as I stated many times... Anyone who looks at me can see that I identify as a Jew. I would think that if there was antisemitism I should hear about it.
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But obviously 'white skin' is not all that is in consideration. The Nazis {yemach shemo} did not consider white Jews to be white...
NAZIS ARE MORONS. They ARENT ARYANS, they arent more WHITE than other Europeans. THey know NOTHING about race. They invented their category of Aryans and non-aryans from nonsense superstition.
Yes, not all people with white skin are white (obviously Koreans arent white) but thats not whats being said. Caucasions with lighter skin ARE what almost everyone considers white. Thats how the term is used. WHo gives F what Nazis think, they are braindead.
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brian,
I will agree that most Democrats will have antisemitic ideas...
But my experience here in CA has not revealed any antisemitic feelings that I can discern..
And as I stated many times... Anyone who looks at me can see that I identify as a Jew. I would think that if there was antisemitism I should hear about it.
Muman, I think that is great. But I have come in contact with a LOT of inner city blacks, and they DO share Farakhans nonsense about the Jews financing slavery and the Jew banks keeping the Blacks down. I wish this wasnt the case, but it is.
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Believe it or not, sometimes I think we, myself included, are too hard on Muman. Most of the time, his posts are unique and very often they are quite amusing. He certainly says things that no other JTFer does!
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Muman, I think that is great. But I have come in contact with a LOT of inner city blacks, and they DO share Farakhans nonsense about the Jews financing slavery and the Jew banks keeping the Blacks down. I wish this wasnt the case, but it is.
Maybe it is different in the inner city.
I certainly agree {and in my original posts in this thread I point out} that there is a big problem with blacks and the feeling that they are entitled to things which ordinary people have to work hard for. I agree that the majority of the black Americans are not working toward a better future but are waiting for handouts from those who work hard. I am certainly against the welfare state and think that the black culture would do better for itself if it would stand up and take responsibility.
My only point in this thread, in supporting RaulMarrio2000s assertion that we should not malign an entire enthicity or race for the bad which is done by individuals, is that we should judge people based on their actions and not on how they look to us.
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Muman don't read into definitions like that they are designed to twist peoples minds... More to the point what the hell do we care what the nazi animals considered anyone to be... Jews that are white most certainly belong to the white race like many other nationalities there are variations but unless a Jew is black or part of another race they are white...Lets not fall into the trap the PC crowd is setting for us... If it doesn't bother you when its said white Jews are not white it most certainly bothers me.
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NAZIS ARE MORONS. They ARENT ARYANS, they arent more WHITE than other Europeans. THey know NOTHING about race. They invented their category of Aryans and non-aryans from nonsense superstition.
Yes, not all people with white skin are white (obviously Koreans arent white) but thats not whats being said. Caucasions with lighter skin ARE what almost everyone considers white. Thats how the term is used. WHo gives F what Nazis think, they are braindead.
briann, I am not light skinned. I still consider myself Caucasion or White. I'm certainly not black or Asian.
I do agree though. Who cares what the nazi's thought, they were sick people.
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briann, I am not light skinned. I still consider myself Caucasion or White. I'm certainly not black or Asian.
I do agree though. Who cares what the nazi's thought, they were sick people.
I guess I meant, 'lighter' skin. I was just trying to exclude those who nobody would consider white, that are technically Caucasian, like many dark skinned Indians, etc.
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ROTFLMAO who be addin "I be cookin' collard greens" as an option? :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Drinking grape soda and picking cotton balls off the floor
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"Hey, Jew boy, with that yarmulke on your head
You pale-faced Jew boy – I wish you were dead:
I can see you, Jew boy – you can't hide
I got a scoop on you – yeh you gonna die"
I'll spend the month writing poetry.
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I will be celebrating the many technological and architectural achievements of blacks.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2007/04/cultureclash.jpg)
yikes!!! that must hurt!
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How offending is the truth ? Schwartzes have accomplished nothing that merits a whole month dedicated for them (a second would suffice). Oh and generally speaking the primitive tribes are far from being some sort of noble savages, they are cruel moronic inbred people who rape and mutilate their own children. The only good thing about them is that they are too far removed from civilization to inflict any real damage on it.
NO no, that's not true, I know a few who brush their teeth now on a regular basis... :::D
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Muman, JTFers may feel annoyed with some privilges awarded to Blacks in USA but mocking a race or skin colour H" has created borders blasphemy. Anyway, even if insults against someone were justified (they aren't in this case), one is supposed to avoid that behaviour in a Jewish site as one would not go to a synagogue to do cathariss and insult enemies. There should be more respect to the fact there is a Torah section here.
Zelhar, if Blacks have achieved little or no technological or scientical development in Africa, it's not our concern. They are not at war with Israel, USA or Europe. A primitive who does nothing deserves more respect than someone who uses modern technolgy for evil. Israel is not harrassed by hunting-gatherers. She is harrassed by Arabs and Iranians.
Umm, we are not making fun of the color of their skin...we are making fun of their culture and demented behavior...Can you get that through your thick skull? We don't care what these animals look like...we care how they behave and it just happens to be that they are black...
Don't forget Martin Luther King Jr's quote-something like this: "I have a dream that blacks and whites are not judged by the color of their skin but by the CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER"
And so when we ridicule the majority who have that demented character we are to be labeled racists? Raulmario, you are the racist to defend them just because they have dark skin color and choose to look away from the majority of them who have the demented character...WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
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RaulMarrio2000,
I myself do not engage in this kind of denigration of other races and ethnicities. But I will not condemn those who do because there are reasons for this. I myself was attacked by violent black savages here in California in the 80s and got my nose broken by these Crips {a black gang here in the states}. I lived with some black drug addicts also and witnessed first hand how depraved they can become when trying to obtain crack cocaine {to the point of ignoring the cries of their children}.
I currently live in a mixed neighborhood and generally get along with the blacks and mexicans with no problem. I also give to african-american poor when they ask. But I also feel that the general direction african americans is moving is towards more entitlements and handouts, and not improving their intellect and their skills to be more valuable...
Muman, you shoudl give to poor Jews and JTF and heros of Judeo and Samaria..Stick with people of our kind before you give to others...You of all people should know better.
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TBF, I will be giving to JTF very soon... But there is nothing preventing me from giving $2 to a starving woman on the street...
Yes, a starving woman who most likely use the $2 to buy booze instead of a sandwich...buy her a sandwich and see what she will do next: try to sell it...
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I must agree with Raul. Unlike the arabs, most blacks don't hate america's very existence, just it's past (justifiably so). While they dont really produce much, they don't purposely destroy things either. While I do find this thread funny and I'm totally against race-based affirmative action , I don't think we should be making enemies of the blacks, especially considering that the most pro-Israel and anti-Islamic person in congress is a black man.
There are some that work hard and have an honest living and treat all people decently. I normally assume that when I come across a person of African descent, that he/she are doing those things...but that's not always the case..and in fact most don't live that way.
I think just about every JTFer agrees with this. We don't care about skin color; we care about behavior and culture and that is what we criticize...it just happens to be that those people are black skinned.
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Im sorry you have such a bad experience... But I can tell you that they are not all like this.
I am not here to defend the bad... But I will not lump all into a category which they do not belong in..
I know that the black woman I gave $2 the other night for food was truly in need and hungry. I fulfilled the mitzvah of tzedakah by doing so..
Let blacks or gentiles help this hungry black gentile woman. You get that tzedaka box into your kitchen and put some coins in it everyday...then you have fulfilled your mitzvah. Go visit poor Jewish neighborhoods and drop food off at the front door before Shabbat, you have fullfilled a mitzvah.
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Let blacks or gentiles help this hungry black gentile woman. You get that tzedaka box into your kitchen and put some coins in it everyday...then you have fulfilled your mitzvah. Go visit poor Jewish neighborhoods and drop food off at the front door before Shabbat, you have fullfilled a mitzvah.
I do that also... I give to many Jewish organizations and when I go to shul I usually drop some money in... But it is also a mitzvah to give to non-Jews.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/tzedakah.htm
The obligation to perform tzedakah can be fulfilled by giving money to the poor, to health care institutions, to synagogues, or to educational institutions. It can also be fulfilled by supporting your children beyond the age when you are legally required to, or supporting your parents in their old age. The obligation includes giving to both Jews and Gentiles; contrary to popular belief, Jews do not just "take care of our own".
http://israel613.com/books/TZEDAKAH_BOOK.pdf
3. How much should be given to a poor person? “Enough to meet all his needs” (Devarim 15:8). This applies to a poor man who receives Tzedakah without anyone knowing of it. The people of his city are obligated to give him enough for all his needs, allowing him to maintain the same standard of living as before he became impoverished. In contrast, if a poor man goes around collecting alms, it is only necessary to give him a small donation according to his stature. At the very least, in the entire city, he should be given enough bread and food for two meals each day and a place to sleep. We must support and clothe the gentile poor together with the Jewish poor, as an act of peace.
PS: And TBF... I have pledged that I will give to JTF by Purim... This year Purim falls out on Sunday March 20....
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What is a so called white?
When I first heard about White privilege I always wondered why I never got any. I used to go to the mail box excited for the arrival of my white person's dividend check. It never came. Did the people who distribute White privilege lose my address? What gives?
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On a religious Jewish topic... More on the issue of why it is a mitzvah to give to non-Jews...
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol13/v13n055.shtml
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:44:22 -0400
From: "Jonathan Ostroff" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Storks and Tzedakah
> There's a famous idea that the stork is called Chasidah
> because it acts with chesed to its companions, sharing food
> with them.... As far as I know, the mitzvah of
> tzedakah for non-Jews is only due to darkei shalom...
According to Rabbi Dovid Tzvi Hoffman zt"l (Hildesheimer Rosh Yeshiva and well-known posek), darchei shalom is a different category to evah. The Mishna in Gittin (e.g. 59a) and elsewhere uses darchei shalom to regulate behaviour between Jew and Jew (not just between Jew and Gentile), e.g. you may not steal from a deaf-mute. We do not refrain from robbing a deaf-mute just in order to appear to be his good friend so that he will not hate us.
Thus darchei shalom is a positive active principle applicable to all times.
Hence it does not say "mipnei hashalom" which would mean to obtain or seek peaceful relations but rather "mipnei darchei shalom" (I think he means to stress lashon "derech"), i.e. to create and promote ways of peace. This also follows, he says, from the Rambam's codification of the Talmudic law:
"Even with respect to gentiles the Sages commanded that we visit their sick and bury their dead with the dead of Israel and provide for their poor together with the poor of Israel, out of "darchei shalom" (peace), for it is written "G-d is good unto all and His mercies are upon all His creatures", and it is written "(the Torah's) ways are ways of pleasantness and all (its) paths are paths of peace".
The "ways of pleasantness" Mishlei quote is used in the Talmud for good relations between Jew and Jew (e.g. Yevamos), and hence we have a positive Shalom principle based on a verse in Tanach.
Of course, in the case of a Gentile who accepts the 7 Noachide commands (the ger toshav), there is a positive command to sustain him. In the case of a pagan, Emes and Din would say that to support him is to support paganism. It is Shalom that comes along (as explained by R. Hoffman) and overrides Din even in this case.
Kol Tuv ... Jonathan
PS: Is it ironic it is called 'Darkie Shalom'?
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Why do you need to wait until Purim?
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Why do you need to wait until Purim?
That is between me and Hashem... Unless Sam is curious?
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Who is Sam?
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Who is Sam?
It is complex... I don't think I need to tell you why I need to wait to give what I want to give to JTF till March. As I said before, only Hashem {and his angels including Sam, Samech, the 1st letter of Satan, the accusing angel} needs to know.
That is what I meant...
Refer : http://www.cckollel.org/html/Parasha/shemos/terumah5763.html
S a m e c h M e m : Two Hebrew letters from the traditional name of the angel also called Satan. They are used instead of the name itself.
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Truth be told I don't understand what you are getting at in the least, but for the record I think you are a very fascinating, unique, and humorous poster regardless of whether you contribute anything to JTF! :)
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Truth be told I don't understand what you are getting at in the least, but for the record I think you are a very fascinating, unique, and humorous poster regardless of whether you contribute anything to JTF! :)
Well, thank you very much. I must also admit that at times I find you very entertaining and do think you bring something to JTF... Honestly I do have reasons why I must wait {i'll reveal that I have medical bills and fines which must be paid this month}... But I don't like to talk about those things, if you know what I mean...
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Hold it wait a minute :o What others?? And you believe a thing like that :::D Don't let the political correctness stupidity get the best of you... There is most certainly a white race.
True, human beings are characterized in part by the pigmentation of their skin. The question is : how relevant is that characterization ? Having light or dark pigmentation of the skin certainly does not create a community in any meaningless manner. I have white skin but I do feel a lot closer to a man like Pastor Manning than to a White Nazi, and I can only assume that you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be involved in JTF. What defines a group of people in a consistent manner is what they believe in, what they fight for, how they choose to live their life. Pigmentation of the skin is an extremely poor and irrelevant characterization.
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In Europe, there are quite a lot of individuals with Black African ancestry who are nice and honest people. The situation is different from that in the US. We don't have as many hateful Black Muslims as you Americans have to deal with.