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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: BritishSword on August 15, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
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To contribute to the fascinating discussions on the effects of pot. I will use again the example of my now banished and not mourned ex acquaintance Josh Zachariah.
Josh was a very heavy pot user and smoked whenever he got the chance. He was always extolling its tremendous benefits and virtues. It was kind of his one man crusade and I usually tried to steer clear of the subject when talking because he could go on about it at length.
Apparently it allowed him to see things clearly and was very good for his brain. The conversation that started the end of the relationship was when I broached the subject of muslims. Here's what his drug enhanced psyche had to say on that issue.
On being presented with my huge barrage of evidence that B.O body odour is a fifth columnist and muslim president of the U.S
JZ said: Yeah but ya know. Hes a democrat, hes gonna try and blend in with other cultures.
Just because he dressed like a muslim and bowed before the saudi king doesn't mean hes a muslim.
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On being presented with numerous videos which I thought were impossible to argue with and would convince any right thinking person.
JZ said: Come on dude, whats the deal with Obama, you seem kinda obsessed with it LOL. Who's this chaim dude he seems a hard core rightwing nut. Who cares if hes a muslim. It doesn't matter, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe hes a secret hindu doesn't matter.
Yeah sure Josh, doesn't matter that the president LIED to the people of the U.S to get into office, an impeachable offense if I'm not mistaken.
JZ said: Sure I mean, man, muslims are like outbreeding you on your own shores bro, but what do you have against them in particular?
Up until this point Josh had almost convinced me that Pot was not only non-toxic (probably true) but also incredibly good for you in many ways. Almost to the point of convincing me to try it out. I am being unfair to him here (he deserves it) Josh was capable of discussing some heavy concepts (Far ouuut Man!!)
The proof of the pudding is in the eating however and after getting the above responses I began to have niggling doubts that maybe it had a severely detrimental effect on ones critical thinking abilities.
The last line is a classic, what do you have against people who are outbreeding you on your own shores? Oh nothing much bro nothing much, just life and liberty thats at stake.[/size]
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It wouldn't surprise me if there is evidence that it causes sterility in men.
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Don't need a report to tell me those smelly morons smoking pot will have brain damage.
You see them wobbling all over the streets babbling to themselves and laughing. How can anyone argue that pot has no effect on the brain.
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This is not scientific proof of anything. This is your subjective experience. While my experience is the complete opposite. I know many scholars and professionals who also smoke, and they are even right-wing... I also knew many years ago right-wing conservatives who smoked pot...
So while you may have fun ribbing your friend with this there is little to support your conclusion.
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Don't need a report to tell me those smelly morons smoking pot will have brain damage.
You see them wobbling all over the streets babbling to themselves and laughing. How can anyone argue that pot has no effect on the brain.
When you observe responsible, professional people who smoke it and continue to be productive and creative you realize that it is not as cut-and-dried as you suggest..
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Just say no to drugs....unless you are sick and need it to survive. Even Chaim says so.
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Don't need a report to tell me those smelly morons smoking pot will have brain damage.
You see them wobbling all over the streets babbling to themselves and laughing. How can anyone argue that pot has no effect on the brain.
Sounds like a drunk not a pothead. The pothead would most likely be in his room, probably watching old reruns of star trek and thinking "How is Data aging?" LOL
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Joke.
The drunk takes the stop sign .The pothead waits for it to turn green. ;D
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I didn't know JTF had members whose life purpose is to whitewash weed!
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WOW people are still talking about this
The point is people who do it once in a while and live productive lives don't care, are not convinced and will still do it no matter who says it, even if it's a law, even if prominent people on this forum say so even if 10000 people say so, if people want to do it they will do it (unashamedly) and wont be convinced otherwise! Oh and yeah it does lower sperm count but that's actually a wanted effect from some tokers I know.
Anyways let's move on!
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Everything Hashem makes has a useful and destructive purpose. Even microbes ..even a mosquito! It does not kill brain cells, it does make changes but it does not kill braincells. I dont know many more times I can say this without loosing my breath, This is DEA propaganda , since when are JTFers so naive they listen to whatever the government says.
One last time , TCH, CBD ect do not kill your braincells. Where do people get these facts from? ( the GOV does not count)
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml
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3) Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?
The short answer: No.
The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.
The first one -- marijuana kills brain cells -- is based on research done during the second Reefer Madness Movement. A study attempted to show that marijuana smoking damaged brain structures in monkeys. However, the study was poorly performed and it was severely criticized by a medical review board. Studies done afterwards failed to show any brain damage, in fact a very recent study on Rhesus monkeys used technology so sensitive that scientists could actually see the effect of learning on brain cells, and it found no damage.
But this was Reefer Madness II, and the prohibitionists were looking around for anything they could find to keep the marijuana legalization movement in check, so this study was widely used in anti-marijuana propaganda. It was recanted later.
(To this day, the radical anti-drug groups, like P.R.I.D.E. and Dr. Gabriel Nahas, still use it -- In fact, America's most popular drug education program, Drug Abuse Resistance Education, claims that marijuana "can impair memory perception & judgement by destroying brain cells.'' When police and teachers read this and believe it, our job gets really tough, since it takes a long time to explain to children how Ms. Jones and Officer Bob were wrong.)
The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.
4) If it doesn't kill brain cells, how does it get you `high'?
Killing brain cells is not a pre-requisite for getting `high.' Marijuana contains a chemical which substitutes for a natural brain chemical, with a few differences. This chemical touches special `buttons' on brain cells called `receptors.' Essentially, marijuana `tickles' brain cells. The legal drug alcohol also tickles brain cells, but it will damage and kill them by producing toxins (poisons) and sometimes mini-seizures. Also, some drugs will wear out the buttons which they push, but marijuana does not.
5) Don't people die from smoking pot?
Nobody has ever overdosed. For any given substance, there are bound to be some people who have allergic reactions. With marijuana this is extremely rare, but it could happen with anything from apples to pop-tarts. Not one death has ever been directly linked to marijuana itself. In contrast, many legal drugs cause hundreds to hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, foremost among them are alcohol, nicotine, valium, aspirin, and caffiene. The biggest danger with marijuana is that it is illegal, and someone may mix it with another drug like PCP.
Marijuana is so safe that it would be almost impossible to overdose on it. Doctors determine how safe a drug is by measuring how much it takes to kill a person (they call this the LD50) and comparing it to the amount of the drug which is usually taken (ED50). This makes marijuana hundreds of times safer than alcohol, tobacco, or caffiene. According to a DEA Judge "marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind.''
6) I forgot, does marijuana cause short-term memory impairment?
The effect of marijuana on memory is its most dramatic and the easiest to notice. Many inexperienced marijuana users find that they have very strange, sudden and unexpected memory lapses. These usually take the form of completely forgetting what you were talking about when you were right in the middle of saying something important. However, these symptoms only occur while a person is `high'. They do not carry over or become permanent, and examinations of extremely heavy users has not shown any memory or thinking problems. More experienced marijuana users seem to be able to remember about as well as they do when they are not `high.'
Studies which have claimed to show short-term memory impairment have not stood up to scrutiny and have not been duplicated. Newer studies show that marijuana does not impair simple, real-world memory processes. Marijuana does slow reaction time slightly, and this effect has sometimes been misconstrued as a memory problem. To put things in perspective, one group of researchers made a control group hold their breath, like marijuana smokers do. Marijuana itself only produced about twice as many effects on test scores as breath holding. Many people use marijuana to study. Other people cannot, for some reason, use marijuana and do anything that involves deep thought. Nobody knows what makes the difference.
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. If marijuana use were truly a causative factor for schizophrenia, the United States likely would have seen a large increase in cases of schizophrenia in the last 30 years as a result of increased use in the 1960s and 1970s. However, a review of epidemiological evidence up to 1990 failed to show these results, suggesting the relationship between marijuana use and psychiatric illness is not completely direct (Thornicroft 1990).
I can go on forever showing studies that disprove this myth.
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OK fine. Lets justify pot by comparing smoking one or two joints of weed with smoking 6 packs a day for 100 years.
Oh look that tobacco addict died of cancer after smoking 16 packs for 200 years! He should have been smoking one joint a year instead.
Let's all do pot instead of dieing of cancer. And lets not forget how we're hurting mother earth.
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Please!
Joints are BAD!! Most joints are rolled with actual tobacco so obviously if people smoke joints and end up with cancer it's because they smoked tobacco along with it it's their own fault.
The best method is by using a vaporizer, it does not burn the substance, just heats it up into vapor. Or use water pipes etc to filter out the smoke. Joints are just stupid and look like tampons.
Not only that, marijuana can be eaten (pot brownies) and you would not have to worry about getting lung cancer.
Anyways who cares, just go to NORML and read the facts
But you guys are soooo right, pot is soo bad and we must all believe this or else this will happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8S5g8aFLfk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8S5g8aFLfk) better not do drugz kidz!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or this http/youtube.com/watch?v=LoVVukAdQCo&feature=related (http://http/youtube.com/watch?v=LoVVukAdQCo&feature=related)
or this HILARIOUS scene where a nice christian family finds a joint lol http/youtube.com/watch?v=JB24X05F0wI (http://http/youtube.com/watch?v=JB24X05F0wI)
HA this one reminds me of the people who believe the propaganda http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZypVZxo9irc&feature=player_embedded
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Listen Everyone....
Let us not argue this topic on JTF, I do not consider this to be an issue which JTFers should have to think about when there are far more important things which need our attention.
Chaim also has laid down the official JTF position which I respect although there are issues which I still have on the topic. But I am not going to argue against Chaim who has spent his time explaining how he feels. In general I agree that humans should not have to seek pleasure from substances. While I personally know how much it is pleasurable I also feel that it brings a soul down to consider its physicality.
Our spirit longs to be 'high' and we attempt to seek that high spiritual plane through the use of substances. I have tried many substances in my younger days and I know that it is attractive. We should not indulge in pleasure, even acceptable pleasure, because of this effect of bringing our soul down from the high level to the lower physical level.
Let this topic pass and maybe we will all come to agree in the future.
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Yeah no one's opinions are going to change so let's move on!!!!!!!
(I can respect other people's opinions, doesn't mean I agree or am convinced but I can respect and tolerate just as I would expect others to respect n tolerate my views or at least agree to disagree rather than keep going on a discussion that no one will ever agree on).
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I agree , I do not think it is an important issue. I respect JTFs official position on this 100%.
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Just say no to drugs.
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For the people who say pot doesn't destroy brain cells and is not addictive, my question is why are pot smokers so obsessive about it ? why all the propaganda they do ? how come they lack the conscious and buy it from the most evil drug dealers. In Israel Arab terrorists supply most of the drugs including cannabis. Buying any drug on the street means giving your money to Hezbullah and other muslim Nazis. Those of you in north America should also beware of who supplies your habits. All the Mexicans and South American drug cartels are incredibly evil and doing buisness with them is a sin. They also have ties to Hezbullah and other muslim Nazis. Think about it before you purchase your stash on the street. If you must use it, then grow it yourself. And don't tell me then you are not an addict.
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Btw, Chai, I do want to thank you for your kind words and complement of me on AskJTF. It means a lot.
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So stop taking marijuana and parroting Vancier like zombies.
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So stop taking marijuana and parroting Vancier like zombies.
Did your vibrator get stuck this morning, Ralph? If so you need to get to the emergency room and stop b**tching at us.
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Btw, Chai, I do want to thank you for your kind words and complement of me on AskJTF. It means a lot.
:)
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So stop taking marijuana and parroting Vancier like zombies.
Yup, we got a troll here...
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For the people who say pot doesn't destroy brain cells and is not addictive, my question is why are pot smokers so obsessive about it ? why all the propaganda they do ? how come they lack the conscious and buy it from the most evil drug dealers. In Israel Arab terrorists supply most of the drugs including cannabis. Buying any drug on the street means giving your money to Hezbullah and other muslim Nazis. Those of you in north America should also beware of who supplies your habits. All the Mexicans and South American drug cartels are incredibly evil and doing buisness with them is a sin. They also have ties to Hezbullah and other muslim Nazis. Think about it before you purchase your stash on the street. If you must use it, then grow it yourself. And don't tell me then you are not an addict.
No one here I don't think said that it not addictive ,it is and smoking it causes cancer but braincells it does not kill ,for all the harms that isn't one of them its like saying tea kills cells BC it relaxes you
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This is not scientific proof of anything. This is your subjective experience. While my experience is the complete opposite. I know many scholars and professionals who also smoke, and they are even right-wing... I also knew many years ago right-wing conservatives who smoked pot...
So while you may have fun ribbing your friend with this there is little to support your conclusion.
The point was for me to have fun muman, ;D
and also he's not my friend
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POT is terrible for your brain, it is a gateway drug. Stop rationalizing your use of it, if you use it. It kills brain cells. Really, your denial isn't hurting anyone but yourself
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Did your vibrator get stuck this morning, Ralph? If so you need to get to the emergency room and stop b**tching at us.
Perhaps Ralph was the one smoking pot himself.
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Everyone I know that was a habitual user of Marijuana for long periods of time now has problems with memory, and many have issues just completing a sentence.
VERY sad.
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Everyone I know that was a habitual user of Marijuana for long periods of time now has problems with memory, and many have issues just completing a sentence.
VERY sad.
Once again my experience is the opposite... Most of the smart people in my school smoked a lot of pot and went on to be professionals. There is no evidence that long term memory is affected by MJ. In my opinion the effect of pot depends on the individual who smokes it. Some people get lazy while others are motivated to do things, some get introverted while others extroverted. And some people can function as well after they smoked as they did before.
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POT is terrible for your brain, it is a gateway drug. Stop rationalizing your use of it, if you use it. It kills brain cells. Really, your denial isn't hurting anyone but yourself
This is not true. It is not a gateway drug any more than alcohol is a gateway drug, or aspirin is a gateway drug... There is no relation between the chemical THC which is the active ingredient in Marijuana and any of the hard drugs like Cocaine or Methamphetamine.
The only thing which happens which pot is lied about to young people is to make them think that all drugs are dangerous. Cocaine and Meth ARE DANGEROUS drugs but Pot is not a dangerous drug no matter how biased you are about it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 26, 2006
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/142271/smoking_marijuana_does_not_cause_lung_cancer/
Smoking Marijuana Does Not Cause Lung Cancer
New research shows here seems to be something in pot that actually undermines cancer, instead of causing it. -- and the media are doing their best to ignore it.
August 28, 2009 |
Editor's Note: There is a groundswell of attention in the news to marijuana's role in causing and preventing various types of cancers. Last week, AlterNet published an article from the Marijuana Policy Project about a new study finding that pot smokers have a lower risk of head and neck cancers than people who don’t smoke pot. Earlier this year, the corporate media pounced on a study suggesting that men who had been using marijuana at least once per week and who had started smoking pot prior to age 18 had an elevated risk of testicular cancer known as nonseminoma, which makes up fewer than half of one percent of all cancer cases among men.
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/marijuana
PS: There are many conflicting studies still so it is really difficult to know which is correct... I judge based on my experience... But everyone needs to do what they believe is right, and I do not suggest people smoke pot as I have stated numerous times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnP8IugJCHM
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I have said before, and I will say again, that nobody should want to have to smoke pot. It is not a good habit to have, neither is smoking cigarettes, or drinking beer and alcohol.... All these habits are bad for a persons soul... We should not seek these things but if we need it in order to repair something broken {as in treating pain, helping healing, etc.} then I believe we should use what we can in order to do so.
I understand why some are for completely making it illegal... But I also know that it is not as dangerous as some make it to be. My experience has taught me what are really dangerous drugs and which ones are less harmful than alcohol.
Certainly no minor {less than 18 years old} should be smoking pot for recreation. Young men and women are developing and need to keep their systems in top shape. Even I did not start doing this till I was at least 20 years old... I am not for general legalization and only support medicinal usage of pot...
PS: I do not know a single Orthodox Rabbi who condones the recreational use of pot... All Rabbis who I know consider recreational drug use to be against Jewish values and a problem within the community.
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Muman, I wish you wouldn't defend Marijuana use. It has destroyed some of my close friends' lives. It has absolutely caused changes in their mental capabilities. I am not talking about casual use... I am talking about non-stop use from teen years to now in their late 30's. Its very depressing when I see how they have slowly morphed from being sharp-minded to mentally confused; scatterbrained individuals.
One friend specifically told me that he thinks it has caused brain damage, and he is currently seeking help for it. Its a shame that in the past, there werent long-term studies to prove this correlation, but they are finally proving it now, and I will gladly copy and paste the studies if you want me to.
That doesnt mean I think it is lethal, or that it is as dangerous as hard-core drugs. And of course I am for medicinal use of Marijuana, assuming its legitimate.
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Muman, I wish you wouldn't defend Marijuana use. It has destroyed some of my close friends' lives. It has absolutely caused changes in their mental capabilities. I am not talking about casual use... I am talking about non-stop use from teen years to now in their late 30's. Its very depressing when I see how they have slowly morphed from being sharp-minded to mentally confused; scatterbrained individuals.
One friend specifically told me that he thinks it has caused brain damage, and he is currently seeking help for it. Its a shame that in the past, there werent long-term studies to prove this correlation, but they are finally proving it now, and I will gladly copy and paste the studies if you want me to.
That doesnt mean I think it is lethal, or that it is as dangerous as hard-core drugs. And of course I am for medicinal use of Marijuana, assuming its legitimate.
I am sorry it seems that I am defending it. I have tried to present both sides, according to my experience, of the story. I know people who have been destroyed by hard drugs but I don't know anyone who has been adversely affected by pot. I will not repeat what I have written and I respect your experience so I will let it rest.
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Do you not realize that there are REALLY young people reading this forum? ???
I think this is perfect proof that marijuana use impairs judgement.
Please!
The best method is by using a vaporizer, it does not burn the substance, just heats it up into vapor. Or use water pipes etc to filter out the smoke. Joints are just stupid and look like tampons.
Not only that, marijuana can be eaten (pot brownies) and you would not have to worry about getting lung cancer.
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It seems like all the potheads try to give excuses for using it.
It doesn't have to be used as a pain killer, people can live with a little pain but if they have the pot handy and it gives them a reason to use it they will.
If anyone is in that much pain that they need to smoke pot then that shouldn't really help them and they should go to the doctor to get regular pain killers.
Pot is a drug like any other illegal drug, it leads to more and more pot smoking and when that's not enough it leads to stronger and stronger drugs which leads to crime.
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Do you not realize that there are REALLY young people reading this forum? ???
I think this is perfect proof that marijuana use impairs judgement.
Well said Bullcat3
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This is not true. It is not a gateway drug any more than alcohol is a gateway drug, or aspirin is a gateway drug... There is no relation between the chemical THC which is the active ingredient in Marijuana and any of the hard drugs like Cocaine or Methamphetamine.
The only thing which happens which pot is lied about to young people is to make them think that all drugs are dangerous. Cocaine and Meth ARE DANGEROUS drugs but Pot is not a dangerous drug no matter how biased you are about it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/142271/smoking_marijuana_does_not_cause_lung_cancer/
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/marijuana
PS: There are many conflicting studies still so it is really difficult to know which is correct... I judge based on my experience... But everyone needs to do what they believe is right, and I do not suggest people smoke pot as I have stated numerous times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnP8IugJCHM
Muman,
You are absolutely wrong about this. Look at the statistics from the SAMSHA website. You really shouldn't post things that are factually incorrect, especially regarding an issue that has such calamitous consequences. It may have not had this effect on you or some of your friends, but that's anecdotal, and you really don't know what exact effects it had on your friends. You can easily google amotivational syndrome and see the most common consequence of chronic marijuana abuse. I see this everyday in pts who have abused marijuana. Yes, there may be some who are resilient, but that is not an indication to state that it is not devastating to one's ability to store, process and retrieve information in the same way that they were able to, pre-abuse
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That video discusses the potential cancer-curing properties of THC. There have been studies which support this and there is nothing factually incorrect in that video. Google cancer-killing properties of Marijuana. This is just more evidence that there are many medicinal uses for Marijuana and THC based drugs...
I am tired of arguing about this. As I said it is up to the individual to decide based on the evidence.
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That video discusses the potential cancer-curing properties of THC. There have been studies which support this and there is nothing factually incorrect in that video. Google cancer-killing properties of Marijuana. This is just more evidence that there are many medicinal uses for Marijuana and THC based drugs...
I am tired of arguing about this. As I said it is up to the individual to decide based on the evidence.
it is interesting that people want to dictate to others what they ingest into their bodies. It is none of my business what another individual chooses to consume, ingest, or "use."
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it is interesting that people want to dictate to others what they ingest into their bodies. It is none of my business what another individual chooses to consume, ingest, or "use."
I dont believe that everything should be legal. There are some really danderous substances which people use. Meth & coke are examples of some of the worst. I only support medicinal use to be legal.
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pot is harmless! The leaders and media have been brainwashing people for decades!
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pot is harmless! The leaders and media have been brainwashing people for decades!
For what reason?
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Joints are BAD!! Most joints are rolled with actual tobacco so obviously if people smoke joints and end up with cancer it's because they smoked tobacco along with it it's their own fault.
No that's absolutely incorrect. The amount of anti-intellectual, anti-science viewpoints here shock me, especially since Jews are renown for our scientific ability and discoveries.
When rolling a joint, you empty it of tobacco. After it's emptied, there is NO tobacco left. Even if you want to say that there might be micro fragments of tobacco left in the joint, that's still alright, because it's only one joint. Smoking 1/1000th of a cigarette every week is not harmful.
Also, you are talking about dutches and swishers, but other rolling papers are sold without the tobacco. Of course, smoking a bowl or from a vaporizer is better, but that's not because of the reason that you stated.
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No that's absolutely incorrect. The amount of anti-intellectual, anti-science viewpoints here shock me, especially since Jews are renown for our scientific ability and discoveries.
When rolling a joint, you empty it of tobacco. After it's emptied, there is NO tobacco left. Even if you want to say that there might be micro fragments of tobacco left in the joint, that's still alright, because it's only one joint. Smoking 1/1000th of a cigarette every week is not harmful.
Also, you are talking about dutches and swishers, but other rolling papers are sold without the tobacco. Of course, smoking a bowl or from a vaporizer is better, but that's not because of the reason that you stated.
Huh? Who ever rolls a joint with tobacco? Rolling papers are made out of ricepaper...
The reports I read say that smoking pot and tobacco together is VERY VERY dangerous and should be avoided at all possible...
I never really understood why people smoke cigarettes... I smoked them for maybe a month when i was trying to impress a girl in highschool but other than that I have no desire to smoke cigarettes and consider it a dirty and smelly habit. Here at work we have some Chinese nationals who smoke like chimneys and you can smell them coming down the hallway..
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Grrrrrrr! People are still going on about it!?
1st off who the hell cares. and 2 yes some people roll joints with tobacco. Some do some don't. Mixing tobacco and weed is called a spliff! And it's not a good thing to mix the both.
Hopefully everyone can move on and agree to disagree on this topic considering that there are more important things to worry about such as the Bakerstinian attacks on Israel where people die rather than keep going on about weed and who's right or wrong or how people smoke it or not.
I would really prefer if we all agree to disagree and focus on more important topics! I am willing do so
In fact I hereby QUIT this topic once and for all! No more. I shall ignore it and read up some other topics that are important. So this is my last post in the pot or any pot related threads.
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No that's absolutely incorrect. The amount of anti-intellectual, anti-science viewpoints here shock me, especially since Jews are renown for our scientific ability and discoveries.
When rolling a joint, you empty it of tobacco. After it's emptied, there is NO tobacco left. Even if you want to say that there might be micro fragments of tobacco left in the joint, that's still alright, because it's only one joint. Smoking 1/1000th of a cigarette every week is not harmful.
Also, you are talking about dutches and swishers, but other rolling papers are sold without the tobacco. Of course, smoking a bowl or from a vaporizer is better, but that's not because of the reason that you stated.
Administrators!!!
I'm starting to wonder why FreedomFighter has not been banned. A very important standard we have here is for the secular members to be respectful of the many religious members here. FF08 continually crosses that line. In fact, he breaks that rule with nearly every post he makes. Please read through his posts and either give him a warning or remove him from the forum.
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Administrators!!!
I'm starting to wonder why FreedomFighter has not been banned. A very important standard we have here is for the secular members to be respectful of the many religious members here. FF08 continually crosses that line. In fact, he breaks that rule with nearly every post he makes. Please read through his posts and either give him a warning or remove him from the forum.
I agree that his posts are very disrespectful... Maybe he should do some time in the 'Time Out' section?
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Administrators!!!
I'm starting to wonder why FreedomFighter has not been banned. A very important standard we have here is for the secular members to be respectful of the many religious members here. FF08 continually crosses that line. In fact, he breaks that rule with nearly every post he makes. Please read through his posts and either give him a warning or remove him from the forum.
Well I started the post to have a wee bit of fun at the expense of my ex acqaintance. Now I've already heard every single thing I ever want to hear in defense or in favor of pot from my ex-friend and i dinnae want to hear it again. If people are going to start quarreling and being disrespectful on the thread I'll lock it.
Kay.
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I agree that his posts are very disrespectful... Maybe he should do some time in the 'Time Out' section?
I banned him...I'm sorry Lisa if you really preferred if he was in the Time Out section, but really, he was really disrespectful and a nusance at this point.
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I banned him...I'm sorry Lisa if you really preferred if he was in the Time Out section, but really, he was really disrespectful and a nusance at this point.
He was getting annoying as well as being a bad influence... I think he was a member that was going bad... Banning was going to come sooner rather then later anyway.
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Yes, its strange how a member would suddenly become so offensive, and generalizing everyone in this forum as idiots.
BTW, SayNo2Islam is back again. He's being very careful this time and pretending to be an ideal member lol. I will just continue to monitor his posts until he shows himself.
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Yes, its strange how a member would suddenly become so offensive, and generalizing everyone in this forum as idiots.
BTW, SayNo2Islam is back again. He's being very careful this time and pretending to be an ideal member lol. I will just continue to monitor his posts until he shows himself.
It wasn't sayno2islam that i banned...It was someone else with a similar name. SayNo2Islam is a Bukharian Jew from Forest Hills.
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It wasn't sayno2islam that i banned...It was someone else with a similar name. SayNo2Islam is a Bukharian Jew from Forest Hills.
Sorry, I am getting everyone's names confused as well. Anyhoo, the guy who you banned is back and being very careful this time.
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I think we should have sent him to time out. I think banning him was premature, but I know Dr. Dan has good judgment, so I am guessing that it was more than his posts here that were the issue.