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Title: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 06, 2012, 03:25:39 PM
While I was in Jerusalem, I saw several fliers and posters and vans with this written on it.  Who are they, what are they about, why this type of presentation?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on September 06, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Just ignore it.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 03:45:45 PM
They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos  Birthday happens to be this month Elul 18}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

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 Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook was the first modern Chief Rabbi of Israel (1865-1935). Like Rabbi Nachman of Breslev, Rabbi Kook was a transcendental dreamer and thinker whose states of mind seem always to be floating on a level above that of this earthly reality.
 
What was the attitude of Rabbi Kook toward the teachings of Rabbi Nachman?
 
In the early 1900's, Rabbi Kook’s son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehudah, considered following the path of Breslov Hasidism. He wrote his father a letter asking his advice. Rabbi Kook’s response, one of respect but caution, is an essential introduction to those who would wish to join themselves to the intoxicating path of Breslov. Rabbi Kook wrote,
 
The inner nature of this great man, Rabbi Nachman, requires great study. But one needs a healthy heart, a healthy soul and good, hygienic practices, both psychological and physical. One also needs a good and straight connection to other teachings—both those that support and those that disagree with the views of Rabbi Nachman. Then, Rabbi Nachman’s words will shine in the proper manner. (Chayei Harayeh, p. 172)

Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 06, 2012, 03:48:58 PM
They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos anniversary of death 'yartzeit' happens to be this month}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

I like these types of Jews.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 06, 2012, 03:49:12 PM
Just ignore it.

Why?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Why?

I suspect it may be an old controversy... And there are rumors by the Mitnagdim that the followers of Rabbi Nachman believe he was the Moshiach, once again putting this on Chassidic Jewery. Rabbi Nachman was not Moshiach, never said he was Moshiach, and most sects of Breslov do not believe he was moshiach.


Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 03:55:44 PM
Here is some basic information of Chassidic ideology:

http://www.chassidus.net/

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TEACHINGS OF JUDAISM FROM THE CHASSIDIC REBBES


The purpose of CHASSIDUS is to disseminate teachings concerning the Derech HaBaal Shem Tov (the way of the Baal Shem Tov or Chassidus). This is called the 'Way' of the Baal Shem Tov and not the 'Teachings' of the Baal Shem Tov because the emphasis is on what the Avodah [service of HaShem] of Chassidus is about, and not just esoteric teachings. This approach comes from a teaching from the Baal Shem Tov that appears in 'Betzunah DeNehora' the work of his grandson Rabbi Baruch of Mezbuz.

The Baal Shem Tov was asked "'Please tell us what is the main focus of Avodah (service of G-d)?' The Baal Shem Tov answered them, 'I have come to this world to show another way [other then self mortification]. A person should take upon himself these three things: Love of G-d, Love of his fellow Jew, and Love of the Torah, and he will have no need for self mortification.'"
All of the teachings of Chassidus, and the Chassidic way of life are based on these three things.

Each week we will explore four or five short teachings from the works of the Baal Shem Tov and/or some of the other Chassidic Rebbes, covering the period from the founder of Chassidus (the Baal Shem Tov) until the present day. Each teaching will be one that emphasizes an aspect of the Avodah of Chassidus. These teachings will be ones that are of use to every Jew no matter what his level of knowledge of Judaism is. On occasion a Chassidic story will be included, since one of the main methods of teaching practiced by the Baal Shem Tov and later rebbes was through stories that taught the Chassidic way of life.

Comments will be made in order to clarify these teachings when needed and to make them more accessible to those who have little or no background. (The translators personal comments or commentary will always appear between "[" and "]") Sources will be provided for those who wish to look them up in the original. It is hoped that everyone will find inspiration from at least one of the teachings each week.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
One more than my lunch is over... I will check in later today...

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/414,2258015/What-is-Chassidut-Chassidic-Philosophy.html

What is Chassidut (Chassidic Philosophy)?

Chassidut (or, Chassidus) is the inner dimension of Torah explored and taught by the Chassidic masters. Chassidut teaches you how to see the soul of a thing rather than its body; its inner essence rather than its external manifestations.

Chassidism is a movement within Judaism founded by Rabbi Yisrael Ba'al Shem Tov (5458 – 5520 [1698-1760 CE]). Its purpose is to awaken the Jewish People to its own inner self through the study of the inner dimension of the Torah, which explores the inner dimensions of creation and Creator, thus preparing the way for the advent of Moshiach.

Chassidut is inwardly based upon the ancient doctrinal tradition of Kabbalah. Outwardly it gives new emphasis to the simple and joyful service of God, particularly through prayer and acts of loving-kindness. In Chassidic thought, the abstract and often impenetrable formulae of classical Kabbalah are recast into the psychological terms of human experience, making it understandable and accessible to the average person.

By using the individual’s own inner experience as an allegorical model for understanding the deepest mysteries of the universe, Chassidut both elevates the consciousness of the ordinary Jew as well as expands the conceptual territory of Kabbalistic thought. Indeed, the classical tradition of Kabbalah can be considered superficial relative to that of Chassidut. By focusing upon immediate experience, Chassidut identifies aspects of Divinity that the highly formal and abstract system of Kabbalistic induction leaves unexplored.

Another way of explaining the differing emphases of Kabbalah and Chassidut is to say that Kabbalah focuses on the "vessels" (kelim) of Creation while Chassidut deals with the "lights"(orot) that fill these vessels. This distinction is apparent even in the names attached to these two mystical traditions: The word Kabbalah in Hebrew is derived from the root kabal, "to serve as a receptacle or vessel," while the word Chassidut is constructed from the root chesed, "lovingkindness," an attribute often referred to symbolically as the light of day.

The Ba'al Shem Tov brought Kabbalistic thought to its historical apex, both in terms of its conceptual refinement and its degree of influence upon the lives of the Jewish populace. It has been said that where Kabbalah is the "soul of the Torah," Chassidut is "the soul within the soul." The body of Torah (Talmud, Halachah etc) teaches you the what and how of Judaism, the soul of (and especially the soul of the soul of) Torah illuminates the why and what for.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 06, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T9ICiJAf2I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsMElvyW4Tg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
Indeed many Breslov kids get into the dancing and musical aspect of the joy... But those who are strict in adhering to the tenets of Chassidus keep all the commandments according to the book of Jewish law (Shulchan Aruch).
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
http://www.rabbiwein.com/Revolutionary-Spiritualitybr-4-Lectures-P111.html

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov - Rebbe Nachman aimed to fix what he believed was an erroneous trend in Chassidus. Though the Baal Shem Tov intended to bring spirituality to the Jewish masses, Rebbe Nachman felt his disciples had lost sight of that mission by making Chassidus too intellectual and complicated. His own emphasis on simple, heartfelt conversations with God over strict adherence to the siddur made him popular with some and controversial to others. But even with opposition and even without a Rebbe to succeed Rebbe Nachman, Breslov Chassidus has grown exponentially and is now enjoying a revival that brings thousands to Rebbe Nachman's gravesite every Rosh Hashanah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muqhc6KHG88
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 06, 2012, 08:55:03 PM
While I was in Jerusalem, I saw several fliers and posters and vans with this written on it.  Who are they, what are they about, why this type of presentation?

They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 06, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos anniversary of death 'yartzeit' happens to be this month}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

The na na na 'ers are not just "bresslavers" - they are a small cult among the bresslavers.  They have gone astray from actual bresslav chassidism.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 06, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)
Some of them may be clowns! But at least they're out trying to spread the word! And are not worried about what happens to them. And it brings a smile to my face watching them!
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 06, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
The na na na 'ers are not just "bresslavers" - they are a small cult among the bresslavers.  They have gone astray from actual bresslav chassidism.

This is what I said...


Quote from: muman613
They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 06, 2012, 10:01:29 PM
What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on September 06, 2012, 10:19:50 PM
What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?

 Don't see that here.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 06, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlCahhogv8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Sveta on September 06, 2012, 10:23:23 PM
I thought people didn't like the "Na Nachers" because they accuse them of getting drunk and or doing drugs all day and act like they don't care about their surroundings or other people.
 As seen in this ANNOYING video!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RilpoBVrmY




I don't give into these accusations. I've always liked them myself though. I feel they are good people.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 06, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
I think they're funny! No one is perfect! Maybe we need a few more rough necks in  Judaism?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 06, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?

But they are true Jews.  True Jews who have truly gone astray.

Are you aware of what they think about repeating that phrase and why they say it?    Come on, now, stop playing naive.   These dudes are wacko.

Real Breslaver's are fine.   
And also many non-Breslav Jews (many in the settlements who aren't even chassidim) are interested in Rebbe Nachman's teachings and delve into them.     
But the messianic guys with the catch phrases are a cult.   If you can't handle that, then don't read the thread.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 06, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Some of them may be clowns! But at least they're out trying to spread the word!

Oh really?  What word, exactly?

I'm interested to know what word you think they are out spreading.   Please tell me specifically the message you think they are spreading.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 07, 2012, 12:02:27 AM
They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)

Can you explain further?  I'm sure you have seen them frequently and first hand spoken with some of their members.  What turns you off about them?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 12:07:14 AM
What I get is that KWRBT is saying that those who repeat the mantra somehow are making Breslov Chassidus into a cult.

There are many great branches and schools of Breslov, and Na Nah Nach is only one small part of it. I support Breslov in general not specifically Na Nah Nach... But I believe that Na Nah Nach do good also and am not as 'down' on them as KWRBT seems to be..

Rabbi Lazer Brody and Rabbi Shalom Arush {of Chut Shel Chessed Yeshiva in Jerusalem} are the teachers I most respect. They are not associated with the Na Nah Nach branch...


Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 07, 2012, 12:08:16 AM
I thought people didn't like the "Na Nachers" because they accuse them of getting drunk and or doing drugs all day and act like they don't care about their surroundings or other people.
 As seen in this ANNOYING video!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RilpoBVrmY




I don't give into these accusations. I've always liked them myself though. I feel they are good people.

Funny video..If this is how they are, they almost come off to be like a hippy evangelical Chassidic Jews
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 12:09:11 AM
Yes Dr Dan,

They are very similar to Jewish hippies....
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Dr. Dan on September 07, 2012, 12:15:37 AM
Yes Dr Dan,

They are very similar to Jewish hippies....

I all for happy Jews who celebrate everyday when they see a miracle..since everything around is a miracle and Gd and perfect.  But there are times to be happy and times to be sad and times to be angry and times to forgive.  It seems to me from my current observation of them, all they want to do is be happy.  But then what will they do during wartime?  Or Gd forbid, death due to enemies winning wars against the Jewish people.  Is it a time to celebrate still?  We can't live with our brains in the clouds 24/7 and not do our part.  We have to use our free will to do our part and do the right thing and everyday is a test by Gd.  And no matter what the outcome is our lifetime for working hard to do our part to be righteous, we can only know that the outcomes from our actions, good or bad, is meant to happen for whatever Gd wanted it to be.  And I think that's where the happy part should be.  Because Gd does things on purpose and for a reason, whether we like it or not, we should be happy that Gd is there and does everything for the best.....i hope that made sense.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 01:54:44 AM
I all for happy Jews who celebrate everyday when they see a miracle..since everything around is a miracle and Gd and perfect.  But there are times to be happy and times to be sad and times to be angry and times to forgive.  It seems to me from my current observation of them, all they want to do is be happy.  But then what will they do during wartime?  Or Gd forbid, death due to enemies winning wars against the Jewish people.  Is it a time to celebrate still?  We can't live with our brains in the clouds 24/7 and not do our part.  We have to use our free will to do our part and do the right thing and everyday is a test by Gd.  And no matter what the outcome is our lifetime for working hard to do our part to be righteous, we can only know that the outcomes from our actions, good or bad, is meant to happen for whatever Gd wanted it to be.  And I think that's where the happy part should be.  Because Gd does things on purpose and for a reason, whether we like it or not, we should be happy that Gd is there and does everything for the best.....i hope that made sense.

I think I understand what you are saying. And indeed the Breslevers, at least the more rational ones, realize that there is a need to fight in order to win. Everything is not Happy, Happy as you imply.

But the key thing to concentrate on, from the Breslev perspective, is the concept which Rabbi Nachman taught "Kol HaOlam Kulo, Gesher Tzar Meod" or "Life is a narrow bridge, and the main thing is not to fear at all". The concept means that we must have complete faith in Hashems wisdom in order to merit his intervention of strengthening us against our enemies. This is the Breslov and most Chassidic strategy against all enemies.

As we learn in this weeks Parsha that Hashem is the one who blesses us, and he is also the one who curses us, as evidenced by the Tochacha {Rebuke} in Parasha Ki Tavo.

As with all large movements and groups there are outliers who use the identity for their own purposes, and often projecting a distorted view. While dancing and spreading joy is important there are many other mitzvot which are not always joyous. But again I believe the strength of Breslev is the idea that we should find something joyous in our service of our G-d. Through this {as our portion says} we merit Hashems Divine presence amongst us.



Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 01:58:17 AM
Here is Rabbi Nachmans saying put to music, to the traditional melody we sing on Shabbat to this day..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQB69oU2ro

(http://image.aish.com/misc/kol-haolam.gif)
http://www.aish.com/sh/s/48969621.html


The whole world
is a very narrow bridge -
A very narrow bridge.
And the main thing to recall -
is not to be afraid -
not to be afraid at all.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 02:04:05 AM
Very timely, very timely indeed... As I mentioned this week we are reading Parasha Ki Tavo, which happens to discuss how important serving Hashem with 'joy' is... Here is an article from Rabbi Kooks Torah...

http://www.ravkooktorah.org/KITAVO61.htm

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Ki Tavo: How to Serve God in Joy


"Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and contentment." (Deut. 28:47)

In 5670 (1910), when Rav Kook was chief rabbi of Jaffa, he was asked: how can we inspire ourselves to worship God in joy and enthusiasm?

In his response, Rav Kook wrote:

It is difficult to briefly explain this fundamental aspect of serving God. The main inspiration for people like me is to set aside considerable time for thorough study of the spiritual parts of Torah, and not let it be cast aside for occasional reading. With such study, the light of the soul shines, and a spirit of happiness and vigor electrifies the heart that sincerely seeks out the truth.

Benefiting the Universe

Nonetheless, I will not withhold the benefit of establishing one important principle, although this too cannot be fully understood without much study and reflection. Still, it will provide a vehicle for the desire to attain the trait of loving God and sensing the light of our holy Torah.

It is manifest that even the basest individual would be thrilled to perform good deeds joyfully and energetically if he felt that his actions would benefit the entire universe, with all its infinite worlds. Indolence and enervation stem solely from doubting the extent of the good that we truly perform for all of creation, through our Torah study, mitzvot, Divine service, and refinement of character traits. For this purpose, God enlightened us with the writings of the holiest tzadikim, masters of the Kabbala. They enhanced our understanding of the preciousness of serving God, and how our service can uplift all of existence in all its aspects.

Yet, this idea needs to be brought closer to the intellect, so that the inspiration will be powerful and the joy will be well founded.

The Collective Soul of Creation

This mental image is achieved by contemplating the concept of 'spiritual oneness.' That is to say, the light of each individual soul is connected to the collective soul of all existence. All created things draw the light of their perfection from this collective soul. We have the power to increase the light in our souls at all times through Torah, wisdom, mitzvot, prayer, and character refinement. If we recognize that any time we enlighten our own souls, that we are benefiting not just ourselves but all of existence, then we can bestow perfection and life to all things.

Through us, the righteous are granted greater power in their service of God. The evil of the wicked becomes moderated and mitigated to some extent. Thoughts of penitence come to them. Even the animals are ennobled, in accordance with their level. Through the beautiful holiness that is added by one soul that truly cares about all of existence, even those creatures that tend to attack and damage are refined. And certainly great light is added to the sublime splendor of the souls, and in all levels of the spiritual worlds, boundless in their beauty and sanctity.

(Adapted from Igrot HaRe'iyah vol. I, letter 301)
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: edu on September 07, 2012, 02:09:27 AM
I refer the reader to another discussion about Na Nach Nachma on JTF
Although I have not done a survey what percentage of this group holds
that there dead leader is messiah.
I also saw posters much worse (more blatantly false messianic) than the one I posted here. But I did not have a camera with me or a place to upload those pictures to.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,61713.0.html
A final note originally I posted a link to a photo to back up my point, but when I came back to JTF
the photo link failed to appear in my browser
so instead I refer the reader to http://nanachcartoon.blogspot.co.il/2011/09/blog-post_06.html#!/2011/09/blog-post_06.html (http://nanachcartoon.blogspot.co.il/2011/09/blog-post_06.html#!/2011/09/blog-post_06.html) as proof. Of course, I don't know how long the web site I refer to will continue to exist.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: muman613 on September 07, 2012, 02:23:48 AM
Edu,

What you bring up is not representative of the majority of the Breslever community. Even you are aware of that.

I don't know much about Nah Nach Nachman breslevers except for the fact that they seem very devoted to spreading the message of Chassidus. I have never heard from any Breslev Rabbi I respect that they are Moshiach, or believe that a living Rebbe today is Moshiach.

False messianism is a bad thing and no sane Jew believes that their Rebbe is Moshiach. As I have said many times there is the possibility that a person alive today may be Moshiach, of this I have absolute faith. And you should also be aware that Moshiach could come with the drop of a hat. This is from the Talmud, not the Kabbalah.

Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Debbie Shafer on September 07, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Very interesting. I like hearing about things that are going on in Israel and what is happening at this time in history.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Yerusha on September 08, 2012, 04:23:40 PM
The teachings of Rav Nachman are very potent and appeal to a certain type of Israeli Baal Teshuvah. Usually ones who have a real teshuvah to make ie former druggies, gangsters, robbers, launderers, molesters, thugs and even murderers. And of all the Breslov strands, that of Rav Odesser's Nanachism appeals to them the most
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisroel_Ber_Odesser

(http://observers.france24.com/files/images/na-dancing.jpg)

A former thug who's done a real Torah teshuvah is the best type of fellow to have on your side, and of all the Haredim, the NaNachs are the closest to Kahanism (unlike Chabad who today are all talk but no action), frequently being in the forefront of beating up Arabs, "Price Tag" daubings, and forcefully entering Yosef Hatzaddik's Tomb in Shchem and Yehoshua's in Yericho, usually being arrested & shot at for their efforts.

Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 08, 2012, 06:51:03 PM
I'm not quite sure how to take that post Yerusha? Oh! I got it, your bashing Kahanists, Na Nach, and Chabad!
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 09, 2012, 12:38:17 AM
But they are true Jews.  True Jews who have truly gone astray.

Are you aware of what they think about repeating that phrase and why they say it?    Come on, now, stop playing naive.   These dudes are wacko.

Real Breslaver's are fine.   
And also many non-Breslav Jews (many in the settlements who aren't even chassidim) are interested in Rebbe Nachman's teachings and delve into them.     
But the messianic guys with the catch phrases are a cult.   If you can't handle that, then don't read the thread.
Why don't you tell me what sin they are committing?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on September 09, 2012, 01:01:15 AM
But they are true Jews.  True Jews who have truly gone astray.

Are you aware of what they think about repeating that phrase and why they say it?    Come on, now, stop playing naive.   These dudes are wacko.

Real Breslaver's are fine.   
And also many non-Breslav Jews (many in the settlements who aren't even chassidim) are interested in Rebbe Nachman's teachings and delve into them.     
But the messianic guys with the catch phrases are a cult.   If you can't handle that, then don't read the thread.
From what I found is their Rebbe got a letter from Rebbe Nachman that by quadrupling his name is the same as the song of songs. Which will bring the redemption.

I have seen some say he is the messiah. But once again what is the problem with thinking someone might be the messiah? As long as your not praying to them and worshiping them?
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 09, 2012, 02:44:43 AM
Edu,

What you bring up is not representative of the majority of the Breslever community.

That's because he's talking about the na nach's.  Which is what this thread is about.
Title: Re: What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 09, 2012, 02:47:19 AM
From what I found is their Rebbe got a letter from Rebbe Nachman that by quadrupling his name is the same as the song of songs. Which will bring the redemption.

I have seen some say he is the messiah. But once again what is the problem with thinking someone might be the messiah? As long as your not praying to them and worshiping them?

 :o

HE'S A DEAD PERSON!