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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shechinah on July 09, 2007, 10:07:46 PM
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I was recently informed that gentile women go crazy for Jewish men. :o
It seems many non-Jews are now signing up for jdate, the online Jewish singles' site. Predictably, the gentile women want stable, reliable men with good jobs, possibly ones who, despite what their presense on jdate suggests, actually prefer non-Jewish women (one woman puts in her profile that she wishes to be someone's "shiksa"), and the gentile men want well-put-together, assertive women. Mensches and JAPs, in other, more dated, words.
All I can say is, how creepy. It makes sense that, like any group, Jews would attract their share of ethnic fetishists or people who swallow whole every positive stereotype they hear them. But jdate is supposed to connect actual people, of an actual religious heritage, not provide women statistically more likely to wear nice clothes or men statistically more likely to be professionals.
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Jdate should be for those either already Jewish or interested in converting
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reveals to what extent stereotypes of pushy Jewish women and push-over (but wealthy) Jewish men still exist in the public consciousness.
http://whatwouldphoebedo.blogspot.com/2004/12/outdated-jdate.html
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They also have Blck women on Jdate
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I've heard of this phenomenon as well. I always believed that if the Jews are ever going to be destroyed it will be through love of them and not anything else. The fact that JDate is contributing to this is sick. Aren't Jewish men and women in America bombarded with gentiles in every day life. Now they need to have them on JDate as well? Let's face it, in American life, we can't get a break. Everything we see around us is one more temptation to go after a gentile seductress. I think JDate should require every registrant to be Jewish. You know, come to think of it, I saw a gentile on JDate that I even thought about contacting! She struck me as particularly un-Jewish looking and I was interested in her and I read her profile and it said something like "I like Jews, I have a couple of Jewish roomates, I think they're cool!" It's fraudulent to have them on there, I thought she was Jewish but it turned out that she just wanted to be somebody's shiksa!
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Whether this is true or this is not, it is not something to celebrate or be proud of. Whether these women are selfish gold-diggers or wonderful decent people makes no difference, The Torah is quite clear that this is forbidden. It says it in the Tanakh, in Nehemiah, Ezra, Deuteronomy. It's all over the place.
By the way, it would be more polite not to use the term shiksa. It is an insult in Yiddish. I know that non-yiddish speakers use it to mean a beautiful gentile woman. For example, no one will be calling Oprah Winfrey or Whoopi Goldberg a shiksa anytime soon. However the actual word is an insult and shouldn't be used unless the woman in question deserves it.
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Whether this is true or this is not, it is not something to celebrate or be proud of. Whether these women are selfish gold-diggers or wonderful decent people makes no difference, The Torah is quite clear that this is forbidden. It says it in the Tanakh, in Nehemiah, Ezra, Deuteronomy. It's all over the place.
By the way, it would be more polite not to use the term shiksa. It is an insult in Yiddish. I know that non-yiddish speakers use it to mean a beautiful gentile woman. For example, no one will be calling Oprah Winfrey or Whoopi Goldberg a shiksa anytime soon. However the actual word is an insult and shouldn't be used unless the woman in question deserves it.
Is it okay to use the expression JAP (Jewish-American Princess)?
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WHY NOT
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I don't see why not. It's not much of an insult. I've met people who consider it a compliment.
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I don't see why not. It's not much of an insult. I've met people who consider it a compliment.
They're most likely sick in the head. It's definitely an insult. The way that the women who consider themselves "Jewish American Princesses" behave is insulting as well.
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True, but some of those people don't mind it.
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Jdate is not a strictly orthodox site so I see no reason why converts can't be from the other branches of Judaism.
I know several gentile women who have met and married Jewish men from Jdate and converted because of it.
Jdate is not a religious dating site so I don't have a problem with it. If you are looking for a religious Jew don't go on Jdate because they are few and far between on there.
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If we don't destroy ourselves and the world, we will in about 1000 tears be a world of muts and mongrels. The mixing of the races and religions will be the downfall of man and we will be no more guided by our heritage than by our desire to be different and "evolved".
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If we don't destroy ourselves and the world, we will in about 1000 tears be a world of muts and mongrels. The mixing of the races and religions will be the downfall of man and we will be no more guided by our heritage than by our desire to be different and "evolved".
Ice cream is wonderful, so is vindaloo curry. Mix them together and the resultant concoction will make you retch.
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JDate should not be for people INTERESTED in converting. It should only be for people whose mother is Jewish or who already converted according to Halacha.
JDate is a garbage site that allows married women and fags to post as well.
You hit the nail with the hammer, yacov! And yes, sometimes i go on jdate for kicks...
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Gentile women going with Jewish men is very common but Jewish women rarely if ever go for gentile men - unless the gentile male in question is black!
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Gentile women going with Jewish men is very common but Jewish women rarely if ever go for gentile men - unless the gentile male in question is black!
There's a great section on Jewish dating on aish.com.
They asked Jewish women why they won't date Jewish men and they answer "they're not macho,not sexy, too cheap blah blah blah"
They asked gentile women why they DO date Jewish men and they answered " better providers, more cultured, more mature, more responsible etc"
I guess the grass is greener on the other side.
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I guess the grass is greener on the other side.
That is so true.
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It's Black on white all over the world
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There's also the shiksa-peal thing. It gives me a giant dose of the you-know -whats. I adore Jewish women but I'm a noachide. There's nothing in the sheva mitzvot that says I can't marry a Jewess, but I'd be putting a stumbling block before the blind (making HER break a mitzva) if I did. So I can't. :'(
Then there are these silly Jews who have all the lovely Jewish women to choose from and they want stupid shiksas..........who won't bear them Jewish children. It makes me annoyed.
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You can keep your gentile women. I'm not interested in them. ;)
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Look Heidi Klum the attractive German model married a Black man why? why?
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You can keep your gentile women. I'm not interested in them. ;)
I don't blame you. I'm not that keen on them either.....but I have no choice :'( I wonder if a rabbi might let me marry a Jewish widow? I'm the same religion....I just have less mitzvot.....probably not.)
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
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Look Heidi Klum the attractive German model married a Black man why? why?
Sometimes a spoiled white girl will take up with a schvartza to punnish her parents for not buying her the pony she wanted when she was 10.
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
Distant Irish, English, Norwegian ( don't tell anybody...they havn't forgotten bloody Oslo) and 1/16 chinese.....I'm the result of an orgy ;)
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
Distant Irish, English, Norwegian ( don't tell anybody...they havn't forgotten bloody Oslo) and 1/16 chinese.....I'm the result of an orgy ;)
A world wide orgy :laugh: ::)
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
Distant Irish, English, Norwegian ( don't tell anybody...they havn't forgotten bloody Oslo) and 1/16 chinese.....I'm the result of an orgy ;)
A world wide orgy :laugh: ::)
It's terrible to go to a synagogue and see beautiful Jewish girls with that lovely glow that only Jewesses have and know thet're all forbidden. Then I have to go out on Saturday night with some goy slut...........OI >:(
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
Distant Irish, English, Norwegian ( don't tell anybody...they havn't forgotten bloody Oslo) and 1/16 chinese.....I'm the result of an orgy ;)
A world wide orgy :laugh: ::)
It's terrible to go to a synagogue and see beautiful Jewish girls with that lovely glow that only Jewesses have and know thet're all forbidden. Then I have to go out on Saturday night with some goy slut...........OI >:(
Many non Jewish women are very attractive
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girls with that lovely glow
It's called post-coital bliss. ;D
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Would you guys marry an attractive beautifull Black woman Halle Berry the actress
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Your Irish Newman aren'nt you? the Irish are the lost tribe :laugh:
Distant Irish, English, Norwegian ( don't tell anybody...they havn't forgotten bloody Oslo) and 1/16 chinese.....I'm the result of an orgy ;)
A world wide orgy :laugh: ::)
It's terrible to go to a synagogue and see beautiful Jewish girls with that lovely glow that only Jewesses have and know thet're all forbidden. Then I have to go out on Saturday night with some goy slut...........OI >:(
Many non Jewish women are very attractive
Attractive...Yes but hardly the same quality. An alfa-Romeo is a nice looking car but it will fall apart in 2 years, rust in 4 yrs and has a bad electical system from new.....that's a shiksa.
Now a Jewess..........there's a Lexus...Good as GOLD!
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girls with that lovely glow
It's called post-coital bliss. ;D
Jewish virgins have it too....it's a Jewess thing I am able to spot. I can be in a room with 10 girls and I'll spot the 1 out of the 10 who's Jewish.
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Would you guys marry an attractive beautifull Black woman Halle Berry the actress
NO....I'd have some fun for a weekend but not marriage. If I must have a shiksa I'll take vanilla. :D
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Would you guys marry an attractive beautifull Black woman Halle Berry the actress
I think Halle Berry looks nicer with long hair.
Ashanti is really nice
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Would you guys marry an attractive beautifull Black woman Halle Berry the actress
I think Halle Berry looks nicer with long hair.
Ashanti is really nice
I think courage is a very attractive quality in a woman...and often overlooked by the shallow. What is it in Hebrew?...........Eyshet Chayil?
Woman of valour?
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I got back on
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I got back on
I can't stop laughing. How in the world did you come up with that name?
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I just thought it up :laugh:
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I just thought it up :laugh:
If the mods came in and saw Idi Amin they would have freaked :laugh:
They would have banned you and said yemach shmo v'zichro :laugh:
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Your right
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Your right
You should have typed in the Idi Amin voice........
" hello out der all you JTF fans. Dis de president Idi Amin Dada what are cummin to you from de presidential pallace in uganda"
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Gentile women going with Jewish men is very common but Jewish women rarely if ever go for gentile men - unless the gentile male in question is black!
That's not true. Plenty of Jewish women marry gentile men. And very few of them marry blacks. I have alot of non-religious female relatives who have intermarried.
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Gentile women going with Jewish men is very common but Jewish women rarely if ever go for gentile men - unless the gentile male in question is black!
That's not true. Plenty of Jewish women marry gentile men. And very few of them marry blacks. I have alot of non-religious female relatives who have intermarried.
If there is going to be intermarriage (G_d forbid) it's better a Jewess marries a goy. At least the kids are Jewish.
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I guess. But if too much of that happens, we won't have any Levites or Cohanim which is pretty terrible.
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I would never do it without Rabbinical permission, but all the reasons for dissallowing intermarriage are not applicable to noachide chassids.
There's no religious conflict....the kids would be Jewish and isn't a Torah gentile(like me) going to raise better Jewish kids than a secularist Jew?....Hypothetically
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Gentile women of Northern European extraction are very beautiful. There is no question about it. It's too bad for Jewish women though that so many successful secular Jews choose to marry pretty blond gentiles as their "trophy-wives." They leaves them at a demographic disadvantage, because gentile men, as a rule, don't find them equally as attractive and are not very keen on dating them. I think that statistically there must be a lot more unmarried Jewish spinsters compared to other ethnic groups, because Jewish men don't want to marry Jewish women. Not all of them, of course. But this disbalance is a real phenomenon that exists.
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They have beutifull women from all groups
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They have beutifull women from all groups
Who does?
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Gentile women of Northern European extraction are very beautiful. There is no question about it. It's too bad for Jewish women though that so many successful secular Jews choose to marry pretty blond gentiles as their "trophy-wives." They leaves them at a demographic disadvantage, because gentile men, as a rule, don't find them equally as attractive and are not very keen on dating them. I think that statistically there must be a lot more unmarried Jewish spinsters compared to other ethnic groups, because Jewish men don't want to marry Jewish women. Not all of them, of course. But this disbalance is a real phenomenon that exists.
I'd be over the moon with just one lovely Jewess....if it was allowed.
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They have beutifull women from all groups
Who does?
They have beautifull Jewish girls, northern european ,Slavic girls,German girls who i don'nt consider northen european,Italian girls and girls from all ethnic groups
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Masha have you ever went to post on Koolanoo.com it's free and has members fromall over the world
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Gentile women of Northern European extraction are very beautiful. There is no question about it. It's too bad for Jewish women though that so many successful secular Jews choose to marry pretty blond gentiles as their "trophy-wives." They leaves them at a demographic disadvantage, because gentile men, as a rule, don't find them equally as attractive and are not very keen on dating them. I think that statistically there must be a lot more unmarried Jewish spinsters compared to other ethnic groups, because Jewish men don't want to marry Jewish women. Not all of them, of course. But this disbalance is a real phenomenon that exists.
I've actually met Jewish men like this. I couldn't believe it but different people have different tastes. It may be part of a self-hate factor. Or maybe it's just like guys who like Asian girls or something. I never really understood it, but maybe guys like this should only marry converts. I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world. But if someone only likes blondes. They should look for a shidduch in Boro Park. We have real blondes and redheads coming out of our ears.
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Romanians and hungarians ;D
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Gentile women of Northern European extraction are very beautiful. There is no question about it. It's too bad for Jewish women though that so many successful secular Jews choose to marry pretty blond gentiles as their "trophy-wives." They leaves them at a demographic disadvantage, because gentile men, as a rule, don't find them equally as attractive and are not very keen on dating them. I think that statistically there must be a lot more unmarried Jewish spinsters compared to other ethnic groups, because Jewish men don't want to marry Jewish women. Not all of them, of course. But this disbalance is a real phenomenon that exists.
I'd be over the moon with just one lovely Jewess....if it was allowed.
I believe you. But you are not typical. Demographically, Jewish women are at a disadvantage, because a significant percentage of Jewish men prefer Northern European women, but there is no replacing percentage of Gentile men who prefer Jewish women. Jewish looks are not equally "promoted" in the media to establish them as a phenotypical variation of humanity that could also be considered attractive. A lot of Jewish girls fret: "I look too Jewish."
More than half professionally successful Jewish men that I know married Gentile women. Some of them are not even "fully" secular, but belong to a Conservative or Reformed Synagogue. Quite a few of them actually had their wives convert to Judaism and are bringing their children up as Jewish (in the Conservative or Reformed sense). One of them said to me: "I am proud to be Jewish and I want my children to be Jewish. It is just that I have never found Jewish women physically attractive or beautiful. So you could say, I'm improving the race."
One recent example of intermarriage. Sergey Brin, the founder of Google, who is Jewish, has recently married a Gentile woman. I am sure, she is very nice - she has an intelligent and attractive face on the photographs. But this is just a case in point.
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Gentile women of Northern European extraction are very beautiful. There is no question about it. It's too bad for Jewish women though that so many successful secular Jews choose to marry pretty blond gentiles as their "trophy-wives." They leaves them at a demographic disadvantage, because gentile men, as a rule, don't find them equally as attractive and are not very keen on dating them. I think that statistically there must be a lot more unmarried Jewish spinsters compared to other ethnic groups, because Jewish men don't want to marry Jewish women. Not all of them, of course. But this disbalance is a real phenomenon that exists.
I've actually met Jewish men like this. I couldn't believe it but different people have different tastes. It may be part of a self-hate factor. Or maybe it's just like guys who like Asian girls or something. I never really understood it, but maybe guys like this should only marry converts. I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world. But if someone only likes blondes. They should look for a shidduch in Boro Park. We have real blondes and redheads coming out of our ears.
They're insane....I'd kill to marry a Jewess but can't. These crazy Jews can take their pick of the best women on earth and they want shiksas!!
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
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But he allows moslems to rule his site
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Scotish women are attractive but i fear they lust after 3rd worlders
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Scotish women are attractive but i fear they lust after 3rd worlders
Well, women of North European descent are unsophisticated. Their lack of intelligence is actually quite off-putting but they're okay if they keep their mouths shut. ;D
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
Sarah Silverman? ;D ::)
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Scotish women are attractive but i fear they lust after 3rd worlders
Well, women of North European descent are unsophisticated. Their lack of intelligence is actually quite off-putting but they're okay if they keep their mouths shut. ;D
Finnish women are like that. When they speak it sounds like "muk muk muk muk muk"
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Famous Jewish women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpk4-yGG8A
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Famous Jewish women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpk4-yGG8A
There's a heap.
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
I read an interview with an Israeli professor of genetics who has done a lot of genetic research in the past decade to see how Jews from different parts of the world are genetically connected. He has proven that genetically Jews are the same tribe. They all come from a very limited set of chromosomes (I think, he or his colleague he actually proven that they belong to the same male line).
Anyway, he was asked: "Why are so many European Jews fair with blue or green eyes? Is it because their ancestors were raped?" He answered: "This is a big misconception. There is a blond phenotype that is native to the Jewish race. It is just is not as wide-spread as the dark phenotype." So, the blond gene is natural in the Jewish popultaion. Howeverm Jewish blonds still look Jewish. It's not the color of the hair and the eyes only that makes a person look this or that. It's also the facial features.
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
The reason we have so many blondes in Boro Park is not such a happy or pleasant reason. Rape of Jewish women in Europe was so common that it added a heck of a lot of blonde genes. I have blue eyes and when I was a boy, I had bleach blonde hair. It's gotten darker ever year since I was six. In fact the reason that the Hungarian Hassidic women shave their heads was originally a rabbinic decree to fend off rape in Hungary so when the man tried to rape her, she would pull off her kercheif and scare him off, or atleast turn him off from trying to rape her. But it's obvious that there was a heck of a lot of rape of Hungarian and Polish Jewish women and hence, there are an enormous amount of blondes and redheads.
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
The reason we have so many blondes in Boro Park is not such a happy or pleasant reason. Rape of Jewish women in Europe was so common that it added a heck of a lot of blonde genes. I have blue eyes and when I was a boy, I had bleach blonde hair. It's gotten darker ever year since I was six. In fact the reason that the Hungarian Hassidic women shave their heads was originally a rabbinic decree to fend off rape in Hungary so when the man tried to rape her, she would pull off her kercheif and scare him off, or atleast turn him off from trying to rape her. But it's obvious that there was a heck of a lot of rape of Hungarian and Polish Jewish women and hence, there are an enormous amount of blondes and redheads.
That was encouraged by the clergy of the day. I believe there was NO punnishment for raping a Jewess in those times.
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But even in ancient times their were Jewish tribes that were light
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Here is an example of a blond Jewish type:
http://www.serialno3817131.com/serialno15.html
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did you see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpk4-yGG8A
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(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1861/secherthumbzr8.jpg)
What does this Jewish Marine Major who was killed in iraq look like
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Famous Jewish women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpk4-yGG8A
The majority of the women in the photographs don't look Jewish at all. I suspect that most of them are half-Jewish or quarter-Jewish. I know that that for sure about Scarlett Johansson and Gwyneth Paltrow. And that is the point: the ones who are Hollywood starlets are not Jewish-looking.
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Well most stars in hollywood are taken for their looks
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I'm not going to intervene, but I don't appreciate the generalizations of Jewish women or the degradation of Gentile women.
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But even in ancient times their were Jewish tribes that were light
Not as light as me.
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IM MEDIUM :laugh:
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Well most stars in hollywood are taken for their looks
But that's my point: the Jewish looks are not valued. The stars in the pictures don't look typically Jewish. They could even be dark-haired and brown-eyed (like Winona Ryder). But their facial feautures would not be typically Jewish, beautiful in a typically Jewish way, because typically Jewish facial features are not considered beautiful.
Look at these "semitic" faces. Would they be in Hollywood?
http://www.serialno3817131.com/serialno12.html
(http://www.spaceape.de/hannaharendt/images/Hannah_Arendt_1928.jpg)
(http://www.willieporter.com/pictures/1167699196-anne_frank-portait.jpg)
(http://www.wiederverheiratet.net/images/edith_stein.jpg)
(http://www.nndb.com/people/097/000030007/ayn-rand-wtl_big.jpg)
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THE 3RD FROM THE TOP IS NOT VERY SEMITIC LOOKING
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
The reason we have so many blondes in Boro Park is not such a happy or pleasant reason. Rape of Jewish women in Europe was so common that it added a heck of a lot of blonde genes. I have blue eyes and when I was a boy, I had bleach blonde hair. It's gotten darker ever year since I was six. In fact the reason that the Hungarian Hassidic women shave their heads was originally a rabbinic decree to fend off rape in Hungary so when the man tried to rape her, she would pull off her kercheif and scare him off, or atleast turn him off from trying to rape her. But it's obvious that there was a heck of a lot of rape of Hungarian and Polish Jewish women and hence, there are an enormous amount of blondes and redheads.
Please read my response before. There ARE natural blond Jewish phenotypes. So says an expert in genetics. He ought to know.
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did you see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpk4-yGG8A
That video is full of it. Most of those women are not Jewish. Gwyneth Paltrow is a Jew?!?!?! Gimme a break.
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WELL HER FATHER IS
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THE 3RD FROM THE TOP IS NOT VERY SEMITIC LOOKING
It is a fairly popular Jewish type where I come from. A lot of women in my family have similar features.
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I still maintain that Sephardic Jewish women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I think so too. The dark hair, elegant noses, urban sophistication, and the thickly accented exotic voices - which can be likened to thick drops of sweet honey spread over a wafer - all of these things are heavenly.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PW33qppZjCA&mode=related&search=
But how comes it that you have so many natural blondes?!
The reason we have so many blondes in Boro Park is not such a happy or pleasant reason. Rape of Jewish women in Europe was so common that it added a heck of a lot of blonde genes. I have blue eyes and when I was a boy, I had bleach blonde hair. It's gotten darker ever year since I was six. In fact the reason that the Hungarian Hassidic women shave their heads was originally a rabbinic decree to fend off rape in Hungary so when the man tried to rape her, she would pull off her kercheif and scare him off, or atleast turn him off from trying to rape her. But it's obvious that there was a heck of a lot of rape of Hungarian and Polish Jewish women and hence, there are an enormous amount of blondes and redheads.
Please read my response before. There ARE natural blond Jewish phenotypes. So says an expert in genetics. He ought to know.
I did read it. I just think it's delusional. That's all.
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WELL HER FATHER IS
But she does not look Jewish. She looks like her mother. Scarlett Johansson looks Swedish, not Jewish.
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well she could be most anything
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(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1861/secherthumbzr8.jpg)
What does this Jewish Marine Major who was killed in iraq look like
O.K he was'nt an actor and he's fully jewish
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I did read it. I just think it's delusional. That's all.
What makes you think it's delusional??? What do you know that I don't know? I come from the Ukraine. A lot of Ukrainian and Polish Jews have light brown hair and light-colored eyes. At least half. At the same time, they have Jewish facial features. They don't look like Poles or Ukrainians at all. What a genetic twist that would be. So many people got raped, and they all inherited their rapists' coloring, but none of them inherited their rapists' facial features. Very odd. Look at the pictures of half Jews. You will see that many of them have inherited the Gentile facial features. They don't look like Ukrainian and Polish Jews at all. In fact, many of the Jews from this part of the world got genetically tested and proven to be as Jewish as dark Jews. Yes, Jewish women have been raped. Nobody's denying it. But it only partly explains the fair looks - the small part of it. Have you seen photographs by Roman Vishniac of Polish Jews?
the boy in the front - typical blond Jew with very Jewish features:
(http://www.brandl.com.au/Books/Eastoftime/eastoftime.jpg)
Joseph Brodsky, the Russian-Jewish poet. Typical blond Jew with typical Jewish features:
(http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Brodsky%20Photo0001.jpg)
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I am a Polish/Russian/Ukrainian Jew.
I have both blond hair genes, blue eye genes and a button nose.
If I didn't dress Jewish, most people wouldn't even know I was Jewish.
There are plenty of Jews who don't look semitic at all.
I'm one of them.
Not something I delight in. But it is true.
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I am a Polish/Russian/Ukrainian Jew.
I have both blond hair genes, blue eye genes and a button nose.
If I didn't dress Jewish, most people wouldn't even know I was Jewish.
There are plenty of Jews who don't look semitic at all.
I'm one of them.
Not something I delight in. But it is true.
Are you chassidic, JNC?
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You betcha.
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I am a Polish/Russian/Ukrainian Jew.
I have both blond hair genes, blue eye genes and a button nose.
If I did dress Jewish, most people wouldn't even know I was Jewish.
There are plenty of Jews who don't look semitic at all.
I'm one of them.
Not something I delight in. But it is true.
You have just proven my point. A lot of Jews from Poland and Ukraine are fair. I grew up in the city that was 1/3 Jewish. I have seen a great variety of Jewish types. The majority were light or lightish. Yes, there are Jewish types with button noses. If you post your photograph, I'll tell you if you look Jewish or not, because I'm good at picking out Jewish types. By the way, none of the antisemites from my place of birth would ever confuse a blond Jew with a non Jew. They recognized Jews very well.
judeanoncapta, I respect you very much as a poster, and I don't want to start a fight with you. But I find what you're saying very ignorant and a bit racist - saying that blondness in Jews came from rapes. Jews come in different colors. Even an expert in genetics says so.
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You betcha.
Lubavitch?
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You betcha.
Lubavitch?
Nope.
My Brother is, though.
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Look at the picture of a blond Jewish soldier - the link on p.5. She looks very semitic to me. The two pictures of the boy and the poet look Semitic. There is a variety of semitic types.
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You betcha.
Lubavitch?
Nope.
My Brother is, though.
In my 'Idiots' guide to Judaism' by Rabbi Blech he said the Chassidic movement put emphasis on the joy of worship over and above cold , thoughtless recitation...is that a fair assessment?
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Masha, you're not starting any fights, at all. I'm not upset by anything you said. I hope that I have not been offended by my observations. You're right. Most Blonde Jews still look semitic. But some don't. That's all I'm saying. I can't post my picture on the site. But when I get some of my childhood pictures scanned, I'll send it to you.
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You betcha.
Lubavitch?
Nope.
My Brother is, though.
In my 'Idiots' guide to Judaism' by Rabbi Blech he said the Chassidic movement put emphasis on the joy of worship over and above cold , thoughtless recitation...is that a fair assessment?
True, to a point.
Although, it is a little more complicated than that.
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You betcha.
Lubavitch?
Nope.
My Brother is, though.
In my 'Idiots' guide to Judaism' by Rabbi Blech he said the Chassidic movement put emphasis on the joy of worship over and above cold , thoughtless recitation...is that a fair assessment?
True, to a point.
Although, it is a little more complicated than that.
Rabbi Blech really likes the Chassidic movement. In a book of this kind I only got a brief overview. From what I gathered It seems to be a more 'together' community than others. Would you decribe it as 'charismatic'? ( I don't like that word because of it's use by other folk, but I can't think of another)
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Some of the groups are very charismatic.
Some are just as cold as can be.
The most charismatic group today is Breslov, bar none.
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And yes, the Chassidic communities are some of the together communities that exist in the Jewish world.
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Masha, you're not starting any fights, at all. I'm not upset by anything you said. I hope that I have not been offended by my observations. You're right. Most Blonde Jews still look semitic. But some don't. That's all I'm saying. I can't post my picture on the site. But when I get some of my childhood pictures scanned, I'll send it to you.
No, I'm not offended. Hope I haven't offended you. Peace! :) Yes, please send me your childhood pictures - I'll be objective.
I have a suggestion. You might want to take me up on it - or not. Someone on this forum gave a link about a month ago to a genetic testing lab. You lick a swab (or something simple like that) and send it to them. They send you the result of the test and break up you heritage into components.
Found the link!
http://www.dnatribes.com/sampleresults.html
Now, we know that blond hair and blue eyes are carried by recessive genes. So if they can only be inherited from the surrounding Gentile populations (those who have raped Jewish women), then one might reasonably expect that more that half of a blond Jew's genotype is not Jewish. If you find that more than half of your genotype is Jewish - this is a definitive proof that Jews do have native blond phenotypes. (Now, when I say blond, I don't mean as blond as Scandinavians but those who have blond hair in childhood that later become light brown).
I'm going to do it myself - test myself. As soon as I can afford it - I'm broke right now. But I'm very curious what the test result will say. For some reason I'm sure that I'm close to 100% Jewish.
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And yes, the Chassidic communities are some of the together communities that exist in the Jewish world.
You guys are cool. You're also the most welcomming to us 'perplexed' gentiles. When gentiles seek out a Rabbi who teaches the Sheva Mitzvot..99 times out of 100 it's a Chassidic Rabbi. I guess that means they're really doing their 'light unto the nations' job. I might even be described as a gentile grabbing a corner of your garment.lol
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Cool.
Just don't yank too hard. My Tzitzith could rip.
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Masha, were you born in the Ukraine. Part of my family is from Zhitomir. Was your family near there?
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Cool.
Just don't yank too hard. My Tzitzith could rip.
LOL
The old learned men at the shull must be quite perplexed these days. They could remember the days when all goyim hated Jewery and now days there's a whole bunch wanting a part of it. A sign of the end times maybe?
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newman, it's perplexing even for me and I'm a whippersnapper. But I actually do think that we are entering the end times. Not only for this reason but for many others. The oldest Midrash that we have "Pirkei D'Rabbi Eliezer" has a whole list of the things that the Ishmaelites will do in the Land of Israel in the End of Days. According to my humble opinion, most of them have come true already.
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Masha, were you born in the Ukraine. Part of my family is from Zhitomir. Was your family near there?
I know Zhitomir, but I have never been there. Part of my family is from Germany. Another part is from Uman. But they descended (according to the family legend - but who can check this now?) from the Jews who left before the Diaspora and have settled on the Black Sea coast and the Crimean Peninsula at the time it was populated by the ancient Greeks. They lived among the Greeks and often worked as artisans, such as goldsmiths and silversmiths. A lot of ancient Greek and Scythian jewelry from that region and period was made by the Jews. Not a lot of people know this, but there were large and prosperous Jewish communities on the Black Sea coast at the turn of the first millenium.
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From Uman?
I go there every Rosh Hashana.
Have you been to Sofiefka Park?
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From Uman?
I go there every Rosh Hashana.
Have you been to Sofiefka Park?
Yes, when I was a child. I barely remember it.
P.S. I sent you a PM
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Please elaborate. Why should Sephardic Jews need PMs from Eastern European Jews? ;D
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yes jews should stay pure from gentiles genes