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Title: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 30, 2013, 04:51:19 AM
Are you against the antics of the misfits & miscreants known as Neturei Karta?
If the answer is yes there is something you in the Diaspora can do about it.
Write to you congressman,senator or member of parliament & demand that that they have Neturei Karta declared a terrorist group.
Neturei Karta members went to Iran & met with Achmadinajad several times as well as Gaza & recieves support from Iran & Hamas which is against US,UK & Canadian as well as a few other countries laws.
After all Kach & Kahane Chai are illegal & neither have engaged in terrorism while NK has engaged in acts of violence against other Jews both in Israel & as well & as stated receives funding from terrorist groups & rogue nations.
Isn't it  time we put a stop to Neturei Karta?
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 30, 2013, 08:40:47 AM
very good idea
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 30, 2013, 08:51:09 AM
Are you against the antics of the misfits & miscreants known as Neturei Karta?
If the answer is yes there is something you in the Diaspora can do about it.
Write to your congressman,senator or member of parliament & demand that that they have Neturei Karta declared a terrorist group.
Neturei Karta members went to Iran & met with Achmadinajad several times as well as Gaza & recieves support from Iran & Hamas which is against US,UK & Canadian as well as a few other countries laws.
After all Kach & Kahane Chai are illegal & neither have engaged in terrorism while NK has engaged in acts of violence against other Jews both in Israel & as well & as stated receives funding from terrorist groups & rogue nations.
Isn't it  time we put a stop to Neturei Karta?
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 30, 2013, 08:54:52 AM
This is very doable & can have an impact their funding & activities.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 30, 2013, 08:45:38 PM
Who cares? Anyway why would you want to tattle to goyim about who is good or bad Jews? One day Chaims dollar solution will be implemented against them.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on July 30, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
I don't see how this group can even begin to be classified as a 'terrorist' organization.

Considering the word 'terrorism' is very loosly defined as it is, I am against confusing the definition. But how does what they do constitute terrorism? Have they carried out terror attacks against Jews? Do they plan to kill Jews? I have not seen evidence that this is the case.

Being friendly with the enemy does not legally constitute terrorism....

So until I hear an explanation as to how this is terrorism I have to say I don't quite agree.

Obviously I believe NK should be Cherem and socially ostracised and excluded. But I don't think fouling the definition of 'terrorism' is necessary.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on July 30, 2013, 09:25:26 PM
I don't see how this group can even begin to be classified as a 'terrorist' organization.

Considering the word 'terrorism' is very loosly defined as it is, I am against confusing the definition. But how does what they do constitute terrorism? Have they carried out terror attacks against Jews? Do they plan to kill Jews? I have not seen evidence that this is the case.

Being friendly with the enemy does not legally constitute terrorism....

So until I hear an explanation as to how this is terrorism I have to say I don't quite agree.

Obviously I believe NK should be Cherem and socially ostracised and excluded. But I don't think fouling the definition of 'terrorism' is necessary.

I agree, and disagree. They do not commit terrorism. They support it. They're like the CAIR. Declare them a terrorist supporting group.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on July 30, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
I agree, and disagree. They do not commit terrorism. They support it. They're like the CAIR. Declare them a terrorist supporting group.

Ok... I get it... They do support those who commit terrorism against the Jewish state...

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 30, 2013, 10:34:53 PM
I agree, and disagree. They do not commit terrorism. They support it. They're like the CAIR. Declare them a terrorist supporting group.

Terrorist supporting groups ARE declared as Terrorist groups.   How else can you explain the presence of Kach on the list?   They reasoned that Kach supports terror and violence (even though that's not true) and therefore put them on the list, despite the fact that it's not a terrorist group.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 30, 2013, 10:36:02 PM
Who cares? Anyway why would you want to tattle to goyim about who is good or bad Jews? One day Chaims dollar solution will be implemented against them.

I don't see it as tattling to the goyim, I see it simply as harming the NK in whatever way possible.  They deserve every possible harm we can do to them (legally).    It would put a big limitation on their stupid actions if they were to receive this distinction.  This is purely political.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on July 30, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
Terrorist supporting groups ARE declared as Terrorist groups.   How else can you explain the presence of Kach on the list?   They reasoned that Kach supports terror and violence (even though that's not true) and therefore put them on the list, despite the fact that it's not a terrorist group.

Wasn't Kach related to JDL which actually did commit some activity which was considered terrorism?

I don't know if NK 'supports' Iran financially or has any other involvement other than propaganda tools. So again I find it hard to define NK as a Terror group and question whether they can be considered 'terror supporting' according to the definition which you suggest.

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 30, 2013, 10:49:36 PM
Wasn't Kach related to JDL which actually did commit some activity which was considered terrorism? 

As far as I know, Kach had nothing to do with JDL.

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I don't know if NK 'supports' Iran financially or has any other involvement other than propaganda tools. So again I find it hard to define NK as a Terror group and question whether they can be considered 'terror supporting' according to the definition which you suggest.

They receive money from terrorists.   I don't know if that's enough to designate them, but it's certainly worth a try considering what inane considerations go into formulating that list.   You might actually succeed.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 30, 2013, 11:07:06 PM
As far as I know, Kach had nothing to do with JDL.

They receive money from terrorists.   I don't know if that's enough to designate them, but it's certainly worth a try considering what inane considerations go into formulating that list.   You might actually succeed.
Wrong the official name of Kach was Kach The Jewish Defense League of Israel until the time the rav,ZT"L,HY"D divested the 2 groups from one another.
But for a while they were part & parcel & even after the divestment both groups had overlapping members for quite a while.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 30, 2013, 11:11:08 PM
I don't see how this group can even begin to be classified as a 'terrorist' organization.

Considering the word 'terrorism' is very loosly defined as it is, I am against confusing the definition. But how does what they do constitute terrorism? Have they carried out terror attacks against Jews? Do they plan to kill Jews? I have not seen evidence that this is the case.

Being friendly with the enemy does not legally constitute terrorism....

So until I hear an explanation as to how this is terrorism I have to say I don't quite agree.

Obviously I believe NK should be Cherem and socially ostracised and excluded. But I don't think fouling the definition of 'terrorism' is necessary.
NK have  been known to use violence against other Jews.
They have terrorized Lubavitch,Klausenberg,Belz & Gur Chassidim as well against Dati Leumi Jews both in the US & Israel & it is high time they are dealt with & neutralized.
Having Congressmen & MP's in the Diaspora declare them terrorist groups is a way to deal with them.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on July 30, 2013, 11:25:52 PM
If they actually engage in 'terrorism' as the term has come to be defined then I support it. If it requires expanding the definition of 'terrorism' I would have to be remain against it.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 31, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
If they actually engage in 'terrorism' as the term has come to be defined then I support it. If it requires expanding the definition of 'terrorism' I would have to be remain against it.
If Kach & Kahane Chai which have not as a group engaged in terrorism are on such a list I can not see why NK which supports & receives support from terrorist organizations also not be listed.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on July 31, 2013, 01:14:55 AM
If Kach & Kahane Chai which have not as a group engaged in terrorism are on such a list I can not see why NK which supports & receives support from terrorist organizations also not be listed.

Because the world treasures its kapos. It should be (<-That's why it won't), and to Kahane-was-right (and what does the BT stand for anyways?) you just accused me of saying CAIR was not a terrorist group. I garnish the truth to make it palatable, and you can figure out what I mean if you think about it.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 31, 2013, 01:47:23 AM
Because the world treasures its kapos. It should be (<-That's why it won't), and to Kahane-was-right (and what does the BT stand for anyways?) you just accused me of saying CAIR was not a terrorist group. I garnish the truth to make it palatable, and you can figure out what I mean if you think about it.
Quite true & I did not accuse you of that.
Also I did not use the letters BT.
BTW,the Arabs stole the name CAIR from us & the original CAIR (Committee Against Israeli Retreat) was a JDL front group back in the good old days.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on July 31, 2013, 03:14:04 AM
Quite true & I did not accuse you of that.
Also I did not use the letters BT.
BTW,the Arabs stole the name CAIR from us & the original CAIR (Committee Against Israeli Retreat) was a JDL front group back in the good old days.

I was able to determine that LKZ was asking Kahane-Was-Right-BT about what the BT stands for...

The answer LKZ is that BT is an acronym for 'Baal Teshuva' or a person who has returned to Torah Judaism after having been brought up without religion (but born Jewish) or a minimal Jewish education (as I had been given, and the 'Bar Mitzvah'). And I am not speaking for KWRBT by the way...

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 31, 2013, 07:30:46 AM
Wrong the official name of Kach was Kach The Jewish Defense League of Israel until the time the rav,ZT"L,HY"D divested the 2 groups from one another.
But for a while they were part & parcel & even after the divestment both groups had overlapping members for quite a while.

They were put on this list long after that point.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 31, 2013, 07:32:17 AM
Because the world treasures its kapos. It should be (<-That's why it won't), and to Kahane-was-right (and what does the BT stand for anyways?) you just accused me of saying CAIR was not a terrorist group. I garnish the truth to make it palatable, and you can figure out what I mean if you think about it.

I didn't accuse you of anything.  You failed to understand my comment.   CAIR is a terrorist group, but they will never EVER appear on such a list, even though they were already caught directly aiding hamas.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Dan193 on July 31, 2013, 10:23:44 AM
Neturei Karta was on Terrorfat's payroll.
Neturei Karta was helping Terrorfat.

http://soc.culture.israel.narkive.com/x5tzsH8i/neturei-karta-chassidim-on-arafat-s-payroll
Naomi Ragen <***@netvision.net.il> wrote:

Friends,

All of us have been appalled by pictures of
black-frocked chassidim in anti-Israel and anti-Semitic
rallies over the last few years, led by Rabbi Hirsch,
the self-styled "foreign minister" of this extreme
Israel-hating sect of chassidim.

Now, documentation uncovered by Israeli raids has
uncovered receipts and letters from Arafat to Hirsch in
which Arafat paid Hirsch thousands of dollars for his
pro PLO "activities."
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: rafeli18 on July 31, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
How big are their numbers?
Terrorists or not they're shameless hypocrites !
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 31, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
How big are their numbers?
Terrorists or not they're shameless hypocrites !
Not more than a few hundred. & I agree.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: rafeli18 on July 31, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
They reside in Israel and reap her benefits but want to "dismantle"it! Just like the muslims and Palestinians .
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Dan193 on July 31, 2013, 12:44:49 PM
Think about this, Neturei Karta was being funded by Arafat and Neturei Karta wants Israel destroyed, yet their allowed to live in Israel and Chaim isn't.
THIS IS INSANITY!
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: ChabadKahanist on July 31, 2013, 12:52:28 PM
They reside in Israel and reap her benefits but want to "dismantle"it! Just like the muslims and Palestinians .
Actually they do not take one agorah from the government & they as a matter of fact will not even use Israeli currency & do all their business transactions in American or other foreign currency.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Zelhar on July 31, 2013, 04:56:38 PM
Actually they do not take one agorah from the government & they as a matter of fact will not even use Israeli currency & do all their business transactions in American or other foreign currency.
Are you sure they don't receive welfare and health care benefits ? Their institutions perhaps don't receive funds, but on individual basis I am pretty sure they live off of the Israeli tax payers.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 31, 2013, 08:23:21 PM
Are you sure they don't receive welfare and health care benefits ? Their institutions perhaps don't receive funds, but on individual basis I am pretty sure they live off of the Israeli tax payers.

I agree 100%.  And of course they get garbage collection etc. Not only that but I once read where the satmar school system (a different group but also a. Group which purports to not take money from the govt) through various loopholes did end up getting some money from the govt.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on July 31, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
I didn't accuse you of anything.  You failed to understand my comment.   CAIR is a terrorist group, but they will never EVER appear on such a list, even though they were already caught directly aiding hamas.

I always understand everything. Except if it's dumb. My comment was that they are a "terrorist supporting group, like CAIR". When I say "Nazi supporting group", I mean nazi group. And, like the second part of my reason why neutered karta won't be on the list, they should be too.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 31, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
I always understand everything. Except if it's dumb. My comment was that they are a "terrorist supporting group, like CAIR". When I say "Nazi supporting group", I mean nazi group. And, like the second part of my reason why neutered karta won't be on the list, they should be too.

You're still not getting it.   "Terrorist supporting groups" would merit inclusion on the list based solely on the definition.  The only reason CAIR is NOT on the list is because of political correctness and US govt worship of Muslims which overrides the list definitions.   So other groups which support terrorists could in theory be placed on the list (even though CAIR is not on it).   Enter Naturei Karta.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on July 31, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
You're still not getting it.   "Terrorist supporting groups" would merit inclusion on the list based solely on the definition.  The only reason CAIR is NOT on the list is because of political correctness and US govt worship of Muslims which overrides the list definitions.   So other groups which support terrorists could in theory be placed on the list (even though CAIR is not on it).   Enter Naturei Karta.

Aie. They should be on the list and they're a terrorist group. Really, and this is a pretty good example of why, it's best not to accuse people of things.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 31, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
Aie. They should be on the list and they're a terrorist group. Really, and this is a pretty good example of why, it's best not to accuse people of things.

I still am not aware of what I accused you of.  So, what are you talking about?
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on July 31, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
I still am not aware of what I accused you of.  So, what are you talking about?

Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 31, 2013, 11:55:44 PM
NK should at least be required to register as agents of the Iranian government.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 01, 2013, 10:51:39 AM
Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.

Uhhh.  What?

Sounds to me like you are misconstruing something into a personal attack when it wasn't.

I suggest you quit being such an overly defensive drama queen.  No one here is "out to get you"
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 02:18:02 AM
Uhhh.  What?

Sounds to me like you are misconstruing something into a personal attack when it wasn't.

I suggest you quit being such an overly defensive drama queen.  No one here is "out to get you"

Ok. You're a [censored] retard.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 06, 2013, 09:38:43 AM
Ok. You're a [censored] retard.

Why with the petty insults, child?  The effect of this is trolling of the forum.

You don't see how this:
Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.
,
which you then used as a pretext to hurl insults and attacks,
is an overreaction to something that wasn't an attack on you at all?    Taking something that isn't personal and making it into a flame war is a type of trolling.

If you are worried about being "indirectly accused" and respond with insults, it's a good sign you are overreacting.   Think about it.   Does it really make sense to say someone attacked you by inference?   The whole concept is oxymoronic.   
Now man up, and stop behaving like a little girl.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 06, 2013, 11:11:15 AM
If this is done it is a very bad precedent. Jews should not go complaining about other Jews to non-Jewish governments. When the opportunity comes we can and should take care of them ourselves. Dont get others involved.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 12:58:05 PM
Why with the petty insults, child?  The effect of this is trolling of the forum.

You don't see how this:,
which you then used as a pretext to hurl insults and attacks,
is an overreaction to something that wasn't an attack on you at all?    Taking something that isn't personal and making it into a flame war is a type of trolling.

If you are worried about being "indirectly accused" and respond with insults, it's a good sign you are overreacting.   Think about it.   Does it really make sense to say someone attacked you by inference?   The whole concept is oxymoronic.   
Now man up, and stop behaving like a little girl.

Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: cjd on August 06, 2013, 01:13:52 PM
Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.
This sort of low life nastiness is really uncalled for... From the way I see it you have crossed the line quite a few times... It seems like you were becoming more civil however I see the same old trollish behavior just waiting to come out...  Whoever it was that banned you some time back was on the right track.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
This sort of low life nastiness is really uncalled for... From the way I see it you have crossed the line quite a few times... It seems like you were becoming more civil however I see the same old trollish behavior just waiting to come out...  Whoever it was that banned you some time back was on the right track.

Do it. I won't protest. Way I see it, I only return low-life nastiness.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: cjd on August 06, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
Do it. I won't protest. Way I see it, I only return low-life nastiness.
I don't see anyone else cursing and name calling... Only you.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 01:21:01 PM
I don't see anyone else cursing and name calling... Only you.

Ok. CJD is an overly defensive drama queen who behaves like a girl and is really a little child.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: cjd on August 06, 2013, 01:34:45 PM
Ok. CJD is an overly defensive drama queen who behaves like a girl and is really a little child.
I see the point your trying to make but I can't agree with you... You really need to go back and read through the thread... Unless there is some other underlying issues present the sort of responses you made seem very uncalled for.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
I see the point your trying to make but I can't agree with you... You really need to go back and read through the thread... Unless there is some other underlying issues present the sort of responses you made seem very uncalled for.

If this was a conversation in real life, I'd have broken his jaw, and he would have known to speak with respect in the first place. Since this is the internet, all I have here is retorts. I refuse to be mocked, especially by someone who doesn't even understand what I am saying.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on August 06, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.

LKZ,

I like you, and I value your opinion, but I must protest your continuing this argument. Sometimes it is better to let things go than to continue such a conversation. I am sorry it seems to you that KWRBT was insulting you, I did not see such a thing, but I realize each of us reacts differently to the way we are treated.

I like both you and KWRBT and even though KWRBT and I don't agree on everything I am able to step back and avoid getting upset about things he says which could be upsetting. Sometimes communicating through the medium of the internet is difficult because often our message gets misread and something we said is twisted either deliberately or innocently.

Please stop namecalling. It is not conducive to dialog. Respect JTF members who have been here and contributed to the JTF cause for years. Even if you feel a bit upset about something said it is better for the movement to take these kinds of things into PM, and maybe have someone else give an opinion about why this argument is taking place.

I am discouraged when I see good people like you and KWRBT getting pulled into a conflict. There is a  time and a place for conflict, but I don't think this forum is the best place for it..

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 04:50:01 PM
LKZ,

I like you, and I value your opinion, but I must protest your continuing this argument. Sometimes it is better to let things go than to continue such a conversation. I am sorry it seems to you that KWRBT was insulting you, I did not see such a thing, but I realize each of us reacts differently to the way we are treated.

I like both you and KWRBT and even though KWRBT and I don't agree on everything I am able to step back and avoid getting upset about things he says which could be upsetting. Sometimes communicating through the medium of the internet is difficult because often our message gets misread and something we said is twisted either deliberately or innocently.

Please stop namecalling. It is not conducive to dialog. Respect JTF members who have been here and contributed to the JTF cause for years. Even if you feel a bit upset about something said it is better for the movement to take these kinds of things into PM, and maybe have someone else give an opinion about why this argument is taking place.

I am discouraged when I see good people like you and KWRBT getting pulled into a conflict. There is a  time and a place for conflict, but I don't think this forum is the best place for it..

Never once have you seen me insult someone with reason, and never once have you seen me say nothing after an insult. It's the reason i came back to the forum in the first place.

I'll play then. Pretend I'm KWRBT:

You can't say that an argument is a fish because arguments don't live in water and are in fact incorporeal. Don't be such a drama queen Muman.

Now respond respectfully.

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: muman613 on August 06, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
LKZ,

I realize that once a person feels attacked they respond in order to defend themselves. I am all for standing up for yourself and avoiding appearing weak, especially when dealing with people who are my enemy (personal and national). There is a time to make a stand over an issue, and then there are times when issues can be let go. In this case I believe you said something which KWRBT didn't agree with, he may have worded his reply in a tone which appeared to you to be challenging. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, but I often step away from the computer and will let the discussion die down while I consider a way of expressing myself which conveys my true feelings without (or minimally) injecting personal issues into the conversation.

If only we could all step back and realize that for the most part all the long time JTF members are working for a noble goal. When we have these kinds of conversations (arguments) we lose some of the righteousness we have due to our engaging in Lashon Hara. I only ask that everyone be a little more respectful to each other.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
LKZ,

I realize that once a person feels attacked they respond in order to defend themselves. I am all for standing up for yourself and avoiding appearing weak, especially when dealing with people who are my enemy (personal and national). There is a time to make a stand over an issue, and then there are times when issues can be let go. In this case I believe you said something which KWRBT didn't agree with, he may have worded his reply in a tone which appeared to you to be challenging. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, but I often step away from the computer and will let the discussion die down while I consider a way of expressing myself which conveys my true feelings without (or minimally) injecting personal issues into the conversation.

If only we could all step back and realize that for the most part all the long time JTF members are working for a noble goal. When we have these kinds of conversations (arguments) we lose some of the righteousness we have due to our engaging in Lashon Hara. I only ask that everyone be a little more respectful to each other.

The wording of his response was not quite as relevant and the wording of his insults. If anyone would like, I can show them exactly how to insult effectively and persistently. I take personal insults as a plea to do so.

As I expected, you did not find a respectful response. I tried, but don't fault me for not finding one. It's unfortunate that this had to happen. If ever once someone said something after I was fed another baseless insult, without me responding my way first, I would have said nothing. I get all the blame as usual, but heck, I'm Jewish, so I'm used to that.

Despite the fact that I would now never associate with him, I respect KWRBT because he is doing a good deed by helping JTF. I will not show respect to someone after they disrespect me. You can tell me a thousand times to pull down my pants and bend over for him, but it will not happen. I am not going to be his [censored] and give him little petty self-esteem boost opportunities for the small of manhood.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Lisa on August 06, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
Whoa!

Kahane-Was-Right-BT is a good guy.  I met him in person.  And frankly, I don't understand what this argument is about. 

Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 06, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
Whoa!

Kahane-Was-Right-BT is a good guy.  I met him in person.  And frankly, I don't understand what this argument is about.

I don't doubt that. I said Neturei Karta is a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, which is a terrorist group.  He told me I was wrong because terrorist supporting groups are terrorist groups. Pedophile supporting groups are pedophile groups.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Lisa on August 06, 2013, 10:32:59 PM
I don't doubt that. I said Neturei Karta is a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, which is a terrorist group.  He told me I was wrong because terrorist supporting groups are terrorist groups. Pedophile supporting groups are pedophile groups.

Well it's not worth fighting over.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 07, 2013, 12:35:04 AM
Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

Bla bla bla bla.

Me me me me. 

Faggot and retard.
Bla.  Bla bla.


Its just all about you, isn't it?
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on August 07, 2013, 12:35:57 AM
I don't doubt that. I said Neturei Karta is a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, which is a terrorist group.  He told me I was wrong because terrorist supporting groups are terrorist groups. Pedophile supporting groups are pedophile groups.

LKZ, I agree with you, they support terrorism and they way they communicate this to the world is even more despicable, but why are you attacking CJD and KWBRT, 'breaking people's jaws,' this doesn't sound like you and I don't think this is the real you. NK behave like trash, we've seen these traitors on Israeli TV speaking outside of both sides of their mouths and worse.  Sometimes friends, allies disagree, this violent talk between allies is not good and not you
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 07, 2013, 12:36:39 AM
Well it's not worth fighting over.

I certainly agree. The lesson, however, is not mine to learn. Unless Muman figures out a respectful reply to that hypothetical situation, which could come in handy potentially.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 07, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
If this was a conversation in real life, I'd have broken his jaw, and he would have known to speak with respect in the first place.
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Since this is the internet, all I have here is retorts. I refuse to be mocked, especially by someone who doesn't even understand what I am saying.

You began your flame war on a pretext that I supposedly mocked you (indirectly or by inference, whatever that means).  Except that oops, only 1 problem:  I didn't.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 07, 2013, 12:42:19 AM
Its just all about you, isn't it?

You can't make drama by calling someone a drama queen for no sensible reason, and not expect me to call you out on your crap.

LKZ, I agree with you, they support terrorism and they way they communicate this to the world is even more despicable, but why are you attacking CJD and KWBRT, 'breaking people's jaws,' this doesn't sound like you and I don't think this is the real you. NK behave like trash, we've seen these traitors on Israeli TV speaking outside of both sides of their mouths and worse.  Sometimes friends, allies disagree, this violent talk between allies is not good and not you

As I hinted at, no one talks to me that way in real life that knows me, so it would never happen. If someone on the street called me a pansy, or anything to do with women, it means they want to fight so you have to break their jaw or their knee first.

I am peaceful, but I've seen what people who think their birth or age or some inherent thing makes them superior do, and it's not something that I ever tolerate. If this man, whatever his merits, wants to talk down to me, then I'm not going to back down.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 07, 2013, 12:43:28 AM
:::D :::D :::D
You began your flame war on a pretext that I supposedly mocked you (indirectly or by inference, whatever that means).  Except that oops, only 1 problem:  I didn't.

... you're still on that? It was to show you the logic. Next time ill spell it out. Do you understand what I am saying now?
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 07, 2013, 12:46:27 AM
You can't make drama by calling someone a drama queen for no sensible reason, and not expect me to call you out on your crap.

So now you're going to pretend that the drama queen quip was not a response to a tirade of insults you lobbed at me initially?  don't play games.

And when I called you a drama queen it wasn't an attack, it was an accurate description of your behavior in this thread.  To a t.
Title: Re: Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group
Post by: Israel Chai on August 07, 2013, 12:54:40 AM
So now you're going to pretend that the drama queen quip was not a response to a tirade of insults you lobbed at me initially?  don't play games.

And when I called you a drama queen it wasn't an attack, it was an accurate description of your behavior in this thread.  To a t.

You're a retard.

"Because the world treasures its kapos. It should be (<-That's why it won't), and to Kahane-was-right (and what does the BT stand for anyways?) you just accused me of saying CAIR was not a terrorist group. I garnish the truth to make it palatable, and you can figure out what I mean if you think about it. no insult

I always understand everything. Except if it's dumb (not in reference to you, and if you think this is the insult, it's best you stop calling other people little girls). My comment was that they are a "terrorist supporting group, like CAIR". When I say "Nazi supporting group", I mean nazi group. And, like the second part of my reason why neutered karta won't be on the list, they should be too. nothing a man would consider an insult

Aie. They should be on the list and they're a terrorist group. Really, and this is a pretty good example of why, it's best not to accuse people of things. (meaning that you don't get it) when you said that I don't get it, I said that you don't. No insult

Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum. still no insult



"Uhhh.  What?

Sounds to me like you are misconstruing something into a personal attack when it wasn't.

I suggest you quit being such an overly defensive drama queen.  No one here is "out to get you" "


So please tell me KWRBT; how did i hurt your feelings?