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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xgamer on August 14, 2007, 10:37:13 PM
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I am confused. I heard a theory that Arabs originated in the Saudi Arabian peninsula and savagley killed the other semites living up north more in the rest of the middle east. And did arabs create babylon?
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Arabs didn't create Babylon. Babylon was created by the Babylonians who were not Arabs. Arabs did originate on the Arabian peninsula and in the end did do a lot of conquering.
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
that is messed up becuase arabs are physical descendents of Abraham ( allthough didnt inherit the spiritual qualities as did Israel.)
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
Thanks for that. ALL TRUE!
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Just have to say quickly that Ishmael was no a bastard child of Avraham. Sarah gave Avraham her servant Hagar to sleep with. She was thus a concubine....which in that time period was a legal thing.
G-d's promises were to Avraham, Isaac and Jacob. But! G-d gave Ishmael his own promises.
Do I like Arabs? I have no problem with Arabs. I have a problem with the false religion Islam.
It is Islam and not the Arab that is the problem.
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Arabs also descended through Jacob's brother Esau, which is Edom ( southern Jordan). Esau married Ismael's daughter Mahalath.
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
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Just have to say quickly that Ishmael was no a bastard child of Avraham. Sarah gave Avraham her servant Hagar to sleep with. She was thus a concubine....which in that time period was a legal thing.
G-d's promises were to Avraham, Isaac and Jacob. But! G-d gave Ishmael his own promises.
Do I like Arabs? I have no problem with Arabs. I have a problem with the false religion Islam.
It is Islam and not the Arab that is the problem.
Concubinage (rape) is also legal in islam and still is to this day. Is such a thing allowed in the Torah?
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Concubinage is not rape. If it were, then you are accusing Avraham avinu, King David (a man after HaShem's own heart) King Solomon and a multitude of others in the Tanach of being rapists.
Polygamy and concubinage are allowed under Torah law. The rabbis made polygamy illegal after a time...but as for HaShem? The Torah never says He hated the concept. In fact He actively allowed it.
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
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As this has come up, I'd wonder if someone could find a refferrence for me to somewhere in the torah, or the tanakh for that matter when God says that concubines are allowed, from my reading of it, I've seen that thy existed, but nothing to say that it was a good thing that they did.
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Concubinage is not rape. If it were, then you are accusing Avraham avinu, King David (a man after HaShem's own heart) King Solomon and a multitude of others in the Tanach of being rapists.
Polygamy and concubinage are allowed under Torah law. The rabbis made polygamy illegal after a time...but as for HaShem? The Torah never says He hated the concept. In fact He actively allowed it.
Where in the Torah is the topic addressed? If it is in the Torah, then it is pretty obvious that it was actively allowed by HaShem. A 'multitude of others', I assume you are referring to the righteous people one would read about if they read the Tanach. If so, we are not perfect and are apt to make mistakes - even the most righteous amongst us. The rabbis who made polygamy illegal, were they sanheddrin? What were the reasons behind this? ??? ???
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
OK....Morally vaccuous self-hater then. How's that?
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
OK....Morally vaccuous self-hater then. How's that?
Slef hater as in an antisemite? nah, just because i dont agree with a fanatical religious belief doesnt make racist towards Jews, as for moralls, well, you people advocate far worse, so whos the morally bankrupt?
As for the arabs, most modern day arabs are just people who were arabized in the Islamic expansion.
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
OK....Morally vaccuous self-hater then. How's that?
Slef hater as in an antisemite? nah, just because i dont agree with a fanatical religious belief doesnt make racist towards Jews, as for moralls, well, you people advocate far worse, so whos the morally bankrupt?
As for the arabs, most modern day arabs are just people who were arabized in the Islamic expansion.
Update:
Shtetl dwelling, morally vaccuous, self-hating, arab-lover.
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The arabs came from Arebia and from todays Jordan, they were pagans until Muhammed era (7-6 centery BC), than they invaded all middle east and than too north africa, turkey, spain and India's area .
Babylon was created by the babylonians (simetic people), not the arabs.
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Oh I see. So basically Arabs destroyed these other semitic cultures/civilizations. I guess the only semites the arabs did not completely absorb is the jews?
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
This is how you referr to Torah??
You should be stoned to death.
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
This is how you referr to Torah??
You should be stoned to death.
lol... talk about insanity, they still stone people in Iran, are you copy cats of the Mullahs? you sound pretty much the same.
Are you an Israeli by any chance?
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
This is how you referr to Torah??
You should be stoned to death.
lol... talk about insanity, they still stone people in Iran, are you copy cats of the Mullahs? you sound pretty much the same.
Are you an Israeli by any chance?
I wish to HaShem I was so I could kick the crap out of leftist traitors like you. Have a look at my signature and personal pic.....do I look like I'd be an Israeli???
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
This is how you referr to Torah??
You should be stoned to death.
lol... talk about insanity, they still stone people in Iran, are you copy cats of the Mullahs? you sound pretty much the same.
Are you an Israeli by any chance?
I wish to HaShem I was so I could kick the crap out of leftist traitors like you. Have a look at my signature and personal pic.....do I look like I'd be an Israeli???
Hehe you wont, because youre just a tough guy behind the keyboard, most of you are, and i hope advocation of violence is not accepted in here, i am just asking, if youre not an Israeli, that makes it more relevant, that its none of your business.
Kick the crap out of me, cyber net warriors, i love those types.
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
This is how you referr to Torah??
You should be stoned to death.
you forgot to add "inshallah".
and no, as a secular jew, i dont care about the torah, thats why you arguments ring hollow, they are all based on your torah, not my radical ideas of logic.
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Oh I see. So basically Arabs destroyed these other semitic cultures/civilizations. I guess the only semites the arabs did not completely absorb is the jews?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
They LOVE arab muslim-nazis who would kill Jews, though.
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
no they are jews .
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
How what he said have anything to do with claimimg that we are "pathetic cowards" ?
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
How what he said have anything to do with claimimg that we are "pathetic cowards" ?
name calling and jumping out of the blue calling me a gentile hater and self hater is nothing more then a way of disregarding my views and arguments, a tactic used by... *drumroll*....
MUSLIMS- the term islamophobe is used to attack anyone who speaks against islam, just as a peace now/self hating jew will be used by you with anyone who criticizes the removal of the entire arab population and/or the disengagement.
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
How what he said have anything to do with claimimg that we are "pathetic cowards" ?
name calling and jumping out of the blue calling me a gentile hater and self hater is nothing more then a way of disregarding my views and arguments, a tactic used by... *drumroll*....
MUSLIMS- the term islamophobe is used to attack anyone who speaks against islam, just as a peace now/self hating jew will be used by you with anyone who criticizes the removal of the entire arab population and/or the disengagement.
All we're attacking is your suicidal stupidity.
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
How what he said have anything to do with claimimg that we are "pathetic cowards" ?
name calling and jumping out of the blue calling me a gentile hater and self hater is nothing more then a way of disregarding my views and arguments, a tactic used by... *drumroll*....
MUSLIMS- the term islamophobe is used to attack anyone who speaks against islam, just as a peace now/self hating jew will be used by you with anyone who criticizes the removal of the entire arab population and/or the disengagement.
There is a diffrent between calling someone self haters and "islamophobe", it's like someone call anti-simetic nazis and than he'll say it's like the term islamophobe is used to attack anyone who speaks against islam, "nazis" is used to attack anyone who speaks against the jews .
Stop the political correctness !
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's God's "rantings".
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's G-d's "rantings".
are you calling G-d insane? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's G-d's "rantings".
are you calling G-d insane? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
You are the one who's calling God insane, read the post Ben Alen quoted again .
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's G-d's "rantings".
are you calling G-d insane? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
You are the one who's calling G-d insane, read the post Ben Alen quoted again .
sarcasm, recognize it.
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's G-d's "rantings".
are you calling G-d insane? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
You are the one who's calling G-d insane, read the post Ben Alen quoted again .
sarcasm, recognize it.
Oh, I'm sorry, I ghess when you can't defend your claims you call it sarcasm, how sad .
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Tzvi I disagree with you. It may be "messed up" to say such a thing, but in this case it's TRUE!
Arabs are descendants of Yishmael, the bastard child of Hagar (a Hamitic Egyptian) and Avraham.
Ha'Shem prophecied that they would be wild asses of men, and their hands will be against their brethren and all of humanity.
The one thing about Ha'Shem, blessed be He, He's never wrong.
your insane rantings, they amuse me.
Idiot. Those are not MY "rantings". That's G-d's "rantings".
are you calling G-d insane? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
You are the one who's calling G-d insane, read the post Ben Alen quoted again .
sarcasm, recognize it.
Oh, I'm sorry, I ghess when you can't defend your claims you call it sarcasm, how sad .
תגיד לי אתה רציני? אני צוחק על הבחור המסכן, הוא מאוהב באלוהים הטיפש, לא יודע מאיפה הבאתם את הטיפוסים האלה
and you GUESSed wrong
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יש פה גם אתאיסטים אדיוט, הם לא מתבטאים כמו מניאקים חסרי רגישות (כמוך), והוא מאוהב באלוהים, אתה מאוהב בטרן, לנו לא אכפת את מי אתה אוהב ולך גם לא אמור להיות אכפת במי אנחנו מאוהבים, מבין ?
And no, I didn't GUESSed wrong .
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I think SSN and Taren are gentile-haters and self-haters.
my father is a gentile and i love the US, and i love my country and do more for it then you can ever dream of, questioning my loyalty only shows what pathetic cowards you are.
Product of a mixed marriage! Guaranteed way to breed a self-hater!
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He said Ben Alen is in love with the fool God .
Ban him !
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יש פה גם אתאיסטים אדיוט, הם לא מתבטאים כמו מניאקים חסרי רגישות (כמוך), והוא מאוהב באלוהים, אתה מאוהב בטרן, לנו לא אכפת את מי אתה אוהב ולך גם לא אמור להיות אכפת במי אנחנו מאוהבים, מבין ?
And no, I didn't GUESSed wrong .
בסופו של דבר הוא מבסס את כל האמונות שלו על ביטחון בהשם, זה עולה בחיים
ואני ניסיתי להיות נחמד, אי אפשר שקוראים לי חלאה הומו, זה מקום מלא שנאה כמו אתר הקייקייקיי, ברגע שמישהו בא ומתנגד לדעות שלכם אתם קופצים ומקללים וצועקים "אתם טועים" לפני שאתם מגיבים
אכפת לי ממי אתם מאוהבים כשזה על חשבון המדינה
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He said Ben Alen is in love with the fool G-d .
Ban him !
HEY GENIUS, learn hebrew, i didnt say god was a fool i said the guy was a fool.
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HEY GENIUS, learn hebrew, i didnt say G-d was a fool i said the guy was a fool.
כאשר אתה מדבר במשלב לשוני של חזיר אל תצפה ממני להבין אותך .
אתה אמרת, חתיכת אינפנטיל שכמותך "הוא מאוהב באלוהים הטיפש", אם היית אומר "הטיפש מאוהב באלוהים" הייתי מבין אותך כמו שהיית רוצה .
If your level of hebrew wasn't like pig's level of hebrew I would understand you .
You wrote "He's in love with G-d the fool", if you will say "The fool is inlove with G-d" I would understand you.
You moron .
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ובקשר לשטויות האחרות שפלטת, האהבה לאלוהים אינה על חשבון המדינה, היא על חשבון החיים הרגילים של אדם אינדבידואלי, אתאיזם ישראלי הוא על חשבון המדינה מאחר וזה בד"כ מלווה בתמיכה תהומית באויב הערבי, ובן אלן היה נחמד אליך, עכשיו אתה צוחק עליו סתם, חתיכת אדיוט ,
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This exchange highlights the difference between an 'Iron Jew' like Dexter and a snivvling shtetl kike like SSN.
Dexter's a 13 year old and he's more than got this puke's measure.
G_D bless you, Dexter. You give me hope for Eretz Yisrael.
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HEY GENIUS, learn hebrew, i didnt say G-d was a fool i said the guy was a fool.
כאשר אתה מדבר במשלב לשוני של חזיר אל תצפה ממני להבין אותך .
אתה אמרת, חתיכת אינפנטיל שכמותך "הוא מאוהב באלוהים הטיפש", אם היית אומר "הטיפש מאוהב באלוהים" הייתי מבין אותך כמו שהיית רוצה .
If your level of hebrew wasn't like pig's level of hebrew I would understand you .
You wrote "He's in love with G-d the fool", if you will say "The fool is inlove with G-d" I would understand you.
You moron .
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ובקשר לשטויות האחרות שפלטת, האהבה לאלוהים אינה על חשבון המדינה, היא על חשבון החיים הרגילים של אדם אינדבידואלי, אתאיזם ישראלי הוא על חשבון המדינה מאחר וזה בד"כ מלווה בתמיכה תהומית באויב הערבי, ובן אלן היה נחמד אליך, עכשיו אתה צוחק עליו סתם, חתיכת אדיוט ,
he is in love with god (pause) the fool.
כשאתה מקבל כסף מהמדינה ללמוד בישיבה בעוד אחרים נלחמים בצבא זה פוגע במדינה, יש לי קרוב דתי בצה"ל אבל כמה אשכרה עושים את זה? נחמד אלי? הוא מטורף כמו כל שאר האנשים פה
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אני לומד בביה"ס רגיל ואני חילוני, והדתיים לא לומדים בישיבה כל היום, יש מה שנקרא ישיבת הסדר שזה כמו ביה"ס חילוני רגיל, רק שהוא דוחה את הצבא במעט עד שהם יסיימו ללמוד ואז הם משרתים (כמו עתודה)
At least learn where to put commas so people can understand what you want.
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אני לומד בביה"ס רגיל ואני חילוני, והדתיים לא לומדים בישיבה כל היום, יש מה שנקרא ישיבת הסדר שזה כמו ביה"ס חילוני רגיל, רק שהוא דוחה את הצבא במעט עד שהם יסיימו ללמוד ואז הם משרתים (כמו עתודה)
At least learn where to put commas so people can understand what you want.
quit yer bitchin'
רוב הדתיים לא מתגייסים, זאת עובדה. תראה לי שלא
תקשיב, הקטע של התנועה הזאת זה שהם מראים לך פתרונות פשוטים לבעיות מורכבות, בחיים זה לא ככה. מצטער אם העלבתי אותך אבל אין לך מושג כמה בוגדניים ואינפאנטילים האנשים כאן
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רוב
הדתיים הלאומיים
כן מתגייסים, בשונה מהחרדים אליהם אנחנו כן מתנגדים ואנחנו בהחלט נכריח אותם להתגייס לצבא ולתרום את חלקם.
והפיתרון הטוב ביותר הוא תמיד הפשוט ביותר, זה דבר ידוע, ותראה את הכתבה שהבאתי על כך ששליש מהערבים מהגרים מהארץ מרצון, עכשיו תאר לך כמה יהגרו ועוד עם כסף .
ולא הבנתי את המשפט שאמרת לי, מצטער, אני לא מבין את המילים המוזרות האלה .
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הדתיים הלאומיים
כן מתגייסים, בשונה מהחרדים אליהם אנחנו כן מתנגדים ואנחנו בהחלט נכריח אותם להתגייס לצבא ולתרום את חלקם.
והפיתרון הטוב ביותר הוא תמיד הפשוט ביותר, זה דבר ידוע, ותראה את הכתבה שהבאתי על כך ששליש מהערבים מהגרים מהארץ מרצון, עכשיו תאר לך כמה יהגרו ועוד עם כסף .
ולא הבנתי את המשפט שאמרת לי, מצטער, אני לא מבין את המילים המוזרות האלה .
יש בעיה עם רבנים שיושבים בבית וקוראים לסרבנות, השינוי שאתה מדבר עליו לא יקרה בקרוב הם חושבים שחשוב להתפלל בדיוק כמו שחשוב להלחם
ואפילו אם, אז אתה מודה שכרגע אני צודק בהצהרה שלי, רצון לכבוש את כל האזור ולגרום למותם של מיליונים כי זה בתורה זה לא קצת אבסורד
אני פשוט אומר שהאנשים פה מתנהגים כמו ילדים והפתרונות שלהם פשוט מחרידים
אתה יודע איזו בעיה זאת להציע כסף עבור פינוי ערבים?
באמת נראה לך שכל מי שלא בארגון הוא בולשביק שונא ישראל? או שרק הם אומרים את זה כדי שזה יראה ככה ושזה יראה כאילו רק להם יש את הפתרון
זאת טקטיקה ישנה, תביא פיתרון פשוט וכל מי שלא מסכים בולשביק, ככה תופסים אנשים
זה עובד עוד יותר טוב אם משלבים דת בזה
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I can't read this to save myself but I hope Dexter's saying something about his mother.
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היי
SSN
צפה בסירטון הבא :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxLQHrSzbPs
חוץ מזה, רוב חברי האירגון הולכים להתגייס לצבא, אך יסרבו פקודה אם יגידו להם לגרש אנשים, הרבנים אומרים לסרב פקודה, אבל כן להתגייס. ועל איזה הצהרה אתה מדבר ? אני דיברתי על החרדים, אתה צודק הם באמת לא מתגייסים, אבל אתה אמרת שכל הדתיים לא מתגייסים, וזה לא נכון .
מה מחריד בפיתרון הזה ? יש לך פיתרון יותר טוב תגיד לי ? הפיתרון הזה יותר הגיוני מלתת להם להקים מדינה, אם יש לך פיתרון טוב יותר אז תציע ונראה מה יגידו, ולמען האמת, אתה זה שהתנהגת כמו ילד עד עכשיו .
וברור שלא כל מי שלא באירגון הוא לא בולשיביק, גם לא אמרנו את זה וגם לא שונא ישראל.
ועובדה שיש פה אתאיסטים שאומרים שהפיתרון הזה הגיוני בלי שום קשר לדת, ואני בעד סיפוח הגדה המערבית וזהו, אנחנו לא צריכים עוד שטחים לדעתי וגם חיים אומר שלא נצא לכיבושים יזומים (עכשיו תאמר בקול רם, יזומים, יזומים, יזומים), יופי, עכשיו נקווה שלא תפלוט שטויות בקשר לדברים האלה .
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היי
SSN
צפה בסירטון הבא :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxLQHrSzbPs
חוץ מזה, רוב חברי האירגון הולכים להתגייס לצבא, אך יסרבו פקודה אם יגידו להם לגרש אנשים, הרבנים אומרים לסרב פקודה, אבל כן להתגייס. ועל איזה הצהרה אתה מדבר ? אני דיברתי על החרדים, אתה צודק הם באמת לא מתגייסים, אבל אתה אמרת שכל הדתיים לא מתגייסים, וזה לא נכון .
מה מחריד בפיתרון הזה ? יש לך פיתרון יותר טוב תגיד לי ? הפיתרון הזה יותר הגיוני מלתת להם להקים מדינה, אם יש לך פיתרון טוב יותר אז תציע ונראה מה יגידו, ולמען האמת, אתה זה שהתנהגת כמו ילד עד עכשיו .
וברור שלא כל מי שלא באירגון הוא לא בולשיביק, גם לא אמרנו את זה וגם לא שונא ישראל.
ועובדה שיש פה אתאיסטים שאומרים שהפיתרון הזה הגיוני בלי שום קשר לדת, ואני בעד סיפוח הגדה המערבית וזהו, אנחנו לא צריכים עוד שטחים לדעתי וגם חיים אומר שלא נצא לכיבושים יזומים (עכשיו תאמר בקול רם, יזומים, יזומים, יזומים), יופי, עכשיו נקווה שלא תפלוט שטויות בקשר לדברים האלה .
לא קראתי לאף אחד הומו או העלבתי את המורשת שלו, אני לא מאמין כמה קללות חטפתי, לא הייתי מתנהג בצורה כזאת אם אנשים כמו ניומאן היו מתנהגים כמו בני אדם, אל תגן על גועל כזה אפילו אם זה בצד שלך, אני לא מצדד בטארן שהוא מקלל בלי שקיללו אותו קודם
אתה צודק התכוונתי לחרדים לא לדתיים בכללי, זה הפך למילה נרדפת אצלי סליחה
צבא לא מתפקד אם חיילים עושים מה שבא להם- זה חלק כל כך חזוב מהטענה שלי
סרבנים הורסים את הצבא, הורסים, אי אפשר אפילו לתפוס את הנזק שזה עושה, חיילים חייבים למלא פקודות אחרת אין צבא
וזה הרעיון- הפתרון הוא לא בין לילה והופ כל הבעיות נפתרות
זה שילוב של אלמנטים שונים שלוקח להם שנים לפעול, סינון מנגנונים עויינים וכולי שלבסוף יסתיים בגירוש מספר בוגדים, לאחר זמן מה עוד
מדינה משלהם לא בא בחשבון, אבל גירוש המוני יהרוס את המדינה, שנינו לא פוליטיקאים וגם חיים בן פסח לא, בוא לא נעמיד פנים שאנחנו גאונים אקדמיים, אבל אם יש משהו שאני יודע שהוא 100% זה שאי אפשר לפתור את הבעיה הזאת בפתרון פשוט, זה יקח שנים אבל זה יפתר
תחשוב על מה שאני אומר, ותראה איך ניומאן רוצה שתקלל את אמא שלי, הוא מתנהג בצורה מבישה
אני יודע שאנחנו לא מסכימים על הנושא אבל תנסה לראות את זה מהנקודה שלי
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צבא גם לא אמור להלחם באויבים שלו, אתה רוצה שנהיה בצבא שהוא צבא המדינה ולא צבא העם ? אתה רוצה שחיילים יהיו רובוטים וחסרי מוסר כלפי העם שלהם, הכל בתנאי שהצבא יהיה מאוחד ועוד הרבה שטויות, בכלל צפית בסירטון שהבאתי לך ?
האם אתה היית מגרש את שכן שלך מביתו ? אולי את המשפחה שלך ? אולי את הדודים שלך ? עכשיו בכדי שתבין את הרעיון, דמיין שהמתנחלים הם הדודים, האמא ואבא, הסבא וסבתא וכל המשפחה, האם אתה היית מסכים לגרש אותם ? או לתמוך בגירוש כזה ? ועוד בכזו ברוטליות ואלימות בזמן ש97% מהם התגייסו בשקט את רובם התקיפו והכו, כל ההליך הזה היה ברוטלי ולא הגיוני, והוא היה משהו ששרון עשה בכדי לזכות בתמיכת השמאל, ואני מניח שאתה יודע שזה נכון מאחר ואין שום סיבה הגיונית לגרש אותם חוץ מאשר הרצון לחטוף גשם של קאסמים על הראש והתעצמות אדירה של החמאטן בעזה, רק אנשים חסרי היגיון היו אומרים שזה דבר מוצדק .
ואף אחד לא אמר שהפיתרון הוא יום אחד והופ, זה יקח המון זמן כמובן, אפילו שנים, אמרנו שלא ?
וגם לא אמרנו שזה פיתרון בטוח, אבל בספר שנערך יותר מ50% מערביי יש"ע אומרים שאם הם היו יכולים הם היו עוזבים, ועובדה ש6 מיליון מה"פלסטינים" כלל לא חיים בארץ הזו, הם יעזבו את הארץ בשמחה, וכסף זה מה שחסר להם.
אם אתה חושב שזה ייפתר מעצמו אז אתה טועה, תתמוך בפיתרון מסוים במקום להתלונן ולומר שהפיתרון שלנו, של השמאלים ושל הערבים הוא לא ריאלי או הגיוני, באמת שזה מצחיק, קל מאוד לבקר את כולם, הא ?
עצוב מאוד שחרדים ודתיים הם אותו דבר בעיניך, חרדים הם רק 7% מהאוכלוסיה ומוזר שהתשקורת מנפחת את העניין שלהם כ"כ.
ואני לא התעלמתי ממה שניומן אמר, אתה יכול להגיד לו מה שאתה חושב על מה שהוא אומר ועל צורת ההתבטאות שלו .
צפית בסירטון ?
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
OK....Morally vaccuous self-hater then. How's that?
Slef hater as in an antisemite? nah, just because i dont agree with a fanatical religious belief doesnt make racist towards Jews, as for moralls, well, you people advocate far worse, so whos the morally bankrupt?
As for the arabs, most modern day arabs are just people who were arabized in the Islamic expansion.
Update:
Shtetl dwelling, morally vaccuous, self-hating, arab-lover.
whats wronge with Shtetl dwelling? for most of the time Jews lived in seperate communities bewcuase they didnt want to be negitivly influenced by the gentile world and culture around them, during those times Jews were in greater spiritual shape. This insulting on "shtetl" Jews was done by Jew haters and more recently by the secular zionists.
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Arabs also descended through Jacob's brother Esau, which is Edom ( southern Jordan). Esau married Ismael's daughter Mahalath.
No, during the 2nd Temple period Edom was equated with Rome, Christianity took over Rome and became edom, America, Britian, Germany, Russia are Edom. But some say (even before the holocaust) that Germany is Edom, and I read a fascinating piece of Gemara saying in the future 300 princes of Edom would get together and when edom is unified it will devestate the world, it even calls it Germany. ( I might find the article , and Ill post it).
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According too my Theology Arabs are the decendants of a bastard child.
There for you complaining about racism in the form of anti-semitism will be rather ironic? same rhetoric Muslims use with their pigs and apes.
More moral equivelence from a 'piss now' self-hater.
As usual, you cant actually have a discussion with out throwing the good old self hating Jew syndrom, i am not a member of Peace Now, want to try to evaluate me again?
OK....Morally vaccuous self-hater then. How's that?
Slef hater as in an antisemite? nah, just because i dont agree with a fanatical religious belief doesnt make racist towards Jews, as for moralls, well, you people advocate far worse, so whos the morally bankrupt?
As for the arabs, most modern day arabs are just people who were arabized in the Islamic expansion.
Update:
Shtetl dwelling, morally vaccuous, self-hating, arab-lover.
whats wronge with Shtetl dwelling? for most of the time Jews lived in seperate communities bewcuase they didnt want to be negitivly influenced by the gentile world and culture around them, during those times Jews were in greater spiritual shape. This insulting on "shtetl" Jews was done by Jew haters and more recently by the secular zionists.
I was using it in the same way Meir Kahane did when he would tell leftist self-haters to get out of their shtetls (of the mind). No offense meant to the REAL shtetl dwellers who kept their identity against persecution.
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Heres the most reliable answer from Lillith the female demon that is the reason they hate women
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actually to call an assimilated self-hating Jew a shtetl Jew, is the opposite of what he is. If Jews more more "shtetl" they would keep more of their true identity and not adapt foreign culture and soo called "morals" etc.
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actually to call an assimilated self-hating Jew a shtetl Jew, is the opposite of what he is. If Jews more more "shtetl" they would keep more of their true identity and not adapt foreign culture and soo called "morals" etc.
You're right in that sense.
But It's a shtetl of the mind in the sense of "don't fight, run away, let's not make waves, just ignore them, they'll go away" as exhibited by the leftist, pro-dissengagement self-haters we had on the forum before.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
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I second that!
Lisa is, again, 100% correct.
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And after all this discussion, from my Theology, Arabs originated from a bastard child.
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I think when a camel rapes a donkey you get an Arab. :o
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arabs are very bad people, but lets respect Avraham avenu and not say that they are bastards because it isnt true and is also an insult to our Forfather (even though I understand you dont mean to insult him ,but still).
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You defile camels and donkeys !!!! HERETIC !!! ;)
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You defile camels and donkeys !!!! HERETIC !!! ;)
He hee heee :D :) ;D :o
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I heard that arabs breed by masturbating in the desert and letting the flies do the rest. Is that true?
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I heard that arabs breed by masturbating in the desert and letting the flies do the rest. Is that true?
Well, partially true. Recent Arab scientific studies indicate the best way to do it is on camel dung to attract the flies. The Muslim scientists are really advanced you know ;).
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You've seen the faces on those creatures. And they have the hide to call Jews pigs and monkies!!.....Geez Louise!!!
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
you dare attack not only my lifestyle but my morals, only because you are so ignorant you fail to see that your choices are not the only ones in this world.
"you people have no morals" yeah im sure you love hilonim...
dont pretend as if the religious community isnt riddled with crime, from sex crimes to stealing money from god- fearing people, every 2 days theres a new bastard whose convicted!
the basis to all our laws is the torah, i just dont let it take over my life like you do, i follow the basic human principles and im happy that way, so are most israelis.
THAT is why you will NEVER be in power here, you are self proclaimed martyrs with a moral high ground that enjoy preaching to others.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
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i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
Putting aside religious arguments and conceding that you are correct in saying that "we in the west are going to need unity in order to defeat" the Muslims, my question to you is simple. How do you propose we go about defeating them?
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
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SSN my understanding on the small details of the Israel situation only goes so far however I read through you posts and am left wondering on how you would expect Israel to survive as a homeland for Jews. A majority secular Israel would in the span of 50 years or so become so intermingled with the Arab population that it would cease to exist as we know it. Am I wrong on this?
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
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SSN my understanding on the small details of the Israel situation only goes so far however I read through you posts and am left wondering on how you would expect Israel to survive as a homeland for Jews. A majority secular Israel would in the span of 50 years or so become so intermingled with the Arab population that it would cease to exist as we know it. Am I wrong on this?
i disagree as the arab majority (or half) refuse to support israel and are traitors, the rest do not intermingle "too much" theres still a distance between the two cultures, a friendly distance.
i have an arab mechanic, nice guy and he loves israel, hes a muslim.
israel's primary role is to harbor jews, let them live without being persecuted.
israel should have an ethnic identity, but a halacha state is the exact opposite extreme of a "medinat kol ezraheya" like the USA.
i support a secular state with several religious laws, and religious areas where more laws are enforced so that religious ppl can live without feeling alienated.
jewish population is for the better part not shrinking, i agree there are many improvements needed such as getting rid of 50% of the traitors in this country but were not in danger demographically speaking other then that.
thank you for replying with dignity and like a civilized human being.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
we win wars because us REAL ISRAELIS go out and die for our country, not because of you praying weally weally hard before you go to bed.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
we win wars because us REAL ISRAELIS go out and die for our country, not because of you praying weally weally hard before you go to bed.
You didn't even bother answering my point about the ideas of religious jews regarding the rabbi molestation issue, since it's obviously beyond your pathetic scope. You have no idea what real davening is, if you did, you would know that we pray 3 times a day..another example of your ignorance. Israel wins wars because Hashem wants it to, plain and simple. Why do you think the Torah says that certain people shouldn't go to war? (i.e., newlyweds, people who dont want to out of fear of their sin, etc..), when according to your view, they would stand a greater chance of victory if these people did fight? Biblical Israel won many wars with this idea, and they suffered far fewer casualties than modern Israel..wonder why. Also, we won the six-day war, and the independence war which even historians agree was miraculous..but no, it's because of brute strength, which Israel lacked in both these wars. Actually, when israel's military was built up more in the yom kippur war, we were nearly beaten, explain that?
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
we win wars because us REAL ISRAELIS go out and die for our country, not because of you praying weally weally hard before you go to bed.
You didn't even bother answering my point about the ideas of religious jews regarding the rabbi molestation issue, since it's obviously beyond your pathetic scope. You have no idea what real davening is, if you did, you would know that we pray 3 times a day..another example of your ignorance. Israel wins wars because Hashem wants it to, plain and simple. Why do you think the Torah says that certain people shouldn't go to war? (i.e., newlyweds, people who dont want to out of fear of their sin, etc..), when according to your view, they would stand a greater chance of victory if these people did fight? Biblical Israel won many wars with this idea, and they suffered far fewer casualties than modern Israel..wonder why. Also, we won the six-day war, and the independence war which even historians agree was miraculous..but no, it's because of brute strength, which Israel lacked in both these wars. Actually, when israel's military was built up more in the yom kippur war, we were nearly beaten, explain that?
if you read any book you will see its hard working men and women and our genius generals and officers that won these wars, but i know you dont ever read anything other then the torah.
and im pretty sure taren destroyed your rabbi molesting argument, which is based solely on your god theory.
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i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
Putting aside religious arguments and conceding that you are correct in saying that "we in the west are going to need unity in order to defeat" the Muslims, my question to you is simple. How do you propose we go about defeating them?
SSN,
Why do you ignore my question? How do you propose the west defeats Muslims?
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
we win wars because us REAL ISRAELIS go out and die for our country, not because of you praying weally weally hard before you go to bed.
You didn't even bother answering my point about the ideas of religious jews regarding the rabbi molestation issue, since it's obviously beyond your pathetic scope. You have no idea what real davening is, if you did, you would know that we pray 3 times a day..another example of your ignorance. Israel wins wars because Hashem wants it to, plain and simple. Why do you think the Torah says that certain people shouldn't go to war? (i.e., newlyweds, people who dont want to out of fear of their sin, etc..), when according to your view, they would stand a greater chance of victory if these people did fight? Biblical Israel won many wars with this idea, and they suffered far fewer casualties than modern Israel..wonder why. Also, we won the six-day war, and the independence war which even historians agree was miraculous..but no, it's because of brute strength, which Israel lacked in both these wars. Actually, when israel's military was built up more in the yom kippur war, we were nearly beaten, explain that?
Oh dont tell me, Israel failed in 2006 because of Gush Katif, which is quite surprising because the percent of the oranges in the army was as high as ever, but hey, ashem decided to play his own personal battle field computer game, but i guess he decided to switch sides this time? Hezballah, the meanning of the word means Gods Party, they also claim their god is on their side, they also claim they are right about it, whats the difference between you and them? nada.
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SSN, since you are open about rejecting the Torah, I see no point in you continuing to post here. This is a Torah true forum of good Jews and righteous Gentiles who are proud of their Judaism and their Christianity.
Also, I can't imagine you ever calling a moosie a religious fanatic. But you seem to have no problem throwing that term at Jews. You're a sicko lefty, that's for sure.
i hate religious extremists on both sides, the muslim ones outnumber the jewish ones a million to one, but still i am SECULAR AND ATHEIST, if that means i am less then human, so be it, you're not in power nor will you ever be.
the torah is a choice, i chose not to follow it just as you have, do i murder? do i not give to charity?
i just dont believe religion is a good excuse to get people killed.
mist muslims are religious fanatics, but we in the west are going to need unity in order to beat them, you are NOT unified, you have an agenda that will derail israel's long term goals and might eventually end it, and THAT is why i am here, i am voicing my opinion lisa.
next time i wouldnt call someone a sicko lefty, sitting at home barely moving a finger, judging everyone for not living according to your standard.
It's hard to decide which is worse, a self-righteous, arrogant, "enlightened" atheist, or a gun-toting, allah akhbar-ing muslim. One threatens to destroy the Earth by dissolving the Jewish people spiritually(namely you and your atheist ilk SSN, since the Torah says that if the Jews were to cease from the earth Chas Vechalila, the earth would be destroyed), and the other threatens to destroy the world physically, through force. I for one think that Atheism is a bigger threat, since at least the muslims believe in G-d, albeit they have one ridiculous idea of what He is.
you entire arguments is based on religion, you would slaughter all us hilonim if you could.
or just force us to become religious like yourself.
whose like the muslims now?
I would kill the chilonim?? What are you basing that on? Torah? I doubt it..we have no commandment to kill people like you, on the contrary, it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah, in hopes that you will do Teshuvah. You have a very messed up idea of what Judaism is if you think otherwise.
If you knew the 6th commandment you wouldn't say such a thing. Moron.
Also, I would not force the chilonim to become religious..they'd receive little reward if they were forced into it. Look at your beloved chiloni lifestyle and tell me how healthy it is(not to even bring up the spiritual side of it). You people have no morals, and if you do, it's only because of religion. Face facts - morality is not something we have without Torah.
Haha the typical haredi/dati lecturing about moral and lifestyle, want a list of child molesting rabanim? its well documented even though they are doing their best to hide it from the public, talking about moralls yet not having a problem with killing gays, talking about moralls while saying youre going to hang me when you come to power, talking about stonning to death, you people are just hypocrites, youre allways the bravest behind the computer screen, yet i dont see you lifting your head in Israel, because you would share a cell along with Ahmed and Muhamad.
"it is our duty to bring you closer to Torah", thats what Muslims say about Islam, grats for having another thing in common with your brothers in faith, keep your facist version of Judaism to yourself, if you want a Jewish Iran, buy a flight ticket to Iran.
Keep calling us morons, guess theres a selective law here about insults and nick naming, but who thought other wise?
The rabbis you speak of are NOT charedi or torah-jews, they are scum, who will get theirs from Hashem. Not that this makes any difference to you, since you would never understand the charedi reason for not making a big stink about them. We have a belief that G-d sorts things out without our involvement, that he punishes the wicked without us acting on his behalf(sometimes). Also, if Jews are not close to Torah, they will not have any clue how to live. The fact that atheists and chilonim are so full of themsleves and think they have a handle on truth does not prove that they are right.
They are rabbis, some have been for decades, they are well learn in Judaism, but they just like to molest their students in the Yeshivot, the reason they dont make a biy "stink" about them is because they want to keep using the "secular-immorality" card, but they cant stop the thousands of Israelis who become seculars, more like driven away to secularism because of their treatment in the "moral" religious side of the Israeli society, nice try.
Chilonim are full of themselves because they are the majority, they are the ones who mostly built this state, they are the ones who were here before gush emunim showed its ugly face after 67, oh and it was them who actually won wars, we can see the success after 73,82,2000 and 2006 when you let the superior religious aspect infect the army and society, great success.
It would be a waste of time to tell you that it is because of Hashem that we win wars, not because of chilonim..think whatever you will. The reason why we do not expose the rabbis who molest children in the secular media is because of the complicated halachot involved regarding Lashon harah..also, the Gemara says not to make known the sins of a learned person, for he will be punished greatly by Hashem, more so than we could deal out in this world, though I wouldn't think tjhat you would understand that at all.
we win wars because us REAL ISRAELIS go out and die for our country, not because of you praying weally weally hard before you go to bed.
You didn't even bother answering my point about the ideas of religious jews regarding the rabbi molestation issue, since it's obviously beyond your pathetic scope. You have no idea what real davening is, if you did, you would know that we pray 3 times a day..another example of your ignorance. Israel wins wars because Hashem wants it to, plain and simple. Why do you think the Torah says that certain people shouldn't go to war? (i.e., newlyweds, people who dont want to out of fear of their sin, etc..), when according to your view, they would stand a greater chance of victory if these people did fight? Biblical Israel won many wars with this idea, and they suffered far fewer casualties than modern Israel..wonder why. Also, we won the six-day war, and the independence war which even historians agree was miraculous..but no, it's because of brute strength, which Israel lacked in both these wars. Actually, when israel's military was built up more in the yom kippur war, we were nearly beaten, explain that?
Oh dont tell me, Israel failed in 2006 because of Gush Katif, which is quite surprising because the percent of the oranges in the army was as high as ever, but hey, ashem decided to play his own personal battle field computer game, but i guess he decided to switch sides this time? Hezballah, the meanning of the word means Gods Party, they also claim their G-d is on their side, they also claim they are right about it, whats the difference between you and them? nada.
G-d doesn't take sides, that's anthropomorphism, he does that he does, and maybe if fewer people like you existed, we may have won that war. You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?
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Fewer people like me existed? but there are millions of me around, what are you going to do, exterminate them? we may have won the war if billions going to settlements would have gone to the infantry soldiers for equipment, or maybe soldiers who had to baby sit settlers 24/7 and didnt have time to actually train for combat, maybe things would have been better.
"You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?"
Then you have no clue what an agnostic is, shocking...
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G-d doesn't take sides, that's anthropomorphism, he does that he does, and maybe if fewer people like you existed, we may have won that war. You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?
Fewer people like me existed? but there are millions of me around, what are you going to do, exterminate them? we may have won the war if billions going to settlements would have gone to the infantry soldiers for equipment, or maybe soldiers who had to baby sit settlers 24/7 and didnt have time to actually train for combat, maybe things would have been better.
"You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?"
Then you have no clue what an agnostic is, shocking...
Agnostics typically teach that if g-d exists, he is so beyond fathoming that he is not like a man at all. And you claim to be one of them..something tells me you're just confused, and that you latched on to the first idea of G-d that doesn't require any responsiblity whatsoever that you saw.
When I said what I said about people like you, I meant that if the Jews had greater merit, then we maybe would not have suffered the way we did, that your kefirah and your actions that you do as a result of it are dangerous to the klal. Extermination has no grounds in Torah, i don't know why you would think such a thing.
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
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G-d doesn't take sides, that's anthropomorphism, he does that he does, and maybe if fewer people like you existed, we may have won that war. You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?
Fewer people like me existed? but there are millions of me around, what are you going to do, exterminate them? we may have won the war if billions going to settlements would have gone to the infantry soldiers for equipment, or maybe soldiers who had to baby sit settlers 24/7 and didnt have time to actually train for combat, maybe things would have been better.
"You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?"
Then you have no clue what an agnostic is, shocking...
Agnostics typically teach that if g-d exists, he is so beyond fathoming that he is not like a man at all. And you claim to be one of them..something tells me you're just confused, and that you latched on to the first idea of G-d that doesn't require any responsiblity whatsoever that you saw.
When I said what I said about people like you, I meant that if the Jews had greater merit, then we maybe would not have suffered the way we did, that your kefirah and your actions that you do as a result of it are dangerous to the klal. Extermination has no grounds in Torah, i don't know why you would think such a thing.
Agnostics typically is defined as a person who is open to the concept of a god or gods, but not a spesific one, there for i can be open to the idea YOUR god exists, just as i am open to the idea an Indian god exists... etc. etc.
"then we maybe would not have suffered the way we did", how typical, blame me for 2000 years of hardship, and not the god who promised you other wise, you need a scape goat so your belief wont fade away, the scapegoat just happens to be me.
"Extermination has no grounds in Torah", thats disputed, but since i am not an expert you can enlighten me about Amalek.
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
yes you sacrifice people for the torah, and how do you know you worship god? did he tell you?
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
yes you sacrifice people for the torah, and how do you know you worship G-d? did he tell you?
There is not a single case of human sacrifice sanctioned by the torah..G-d himself sent a ma'alach to stop Avraham from sacrifcing Yitzchak on the akeida, remember? probably not.
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
yes you sacrifice people for the torah, and how do you know you worship G-d? did he tell you?
There is not a single case of human sacrifice sanctioned by the torah..G-d himself sent a ma'alach to stop Avraham from sacrifcing Yitzchak on the akeida, remember? probably not.
are you THAT dumb to believe im talking about Aztec style sacrifices?
are you THAT THICK?!
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G-d doesn't take sides, that's anthropomorphism, he does that he does, and maybe if fewer people like you existed, we may have won that war. You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?
Fewer people like me existed? but there are millions of me around, what are you going to do, exterminate them? we may have won the war if billions going to settlements would have gone to the infantry soldiers for equipment, or maybe soldiers who had to baby sit settlers 24/7 and didnt have time to actually train for combat, maybe things would have been better.
"You anthropomorphize g-d a lot..i thought that was against your so called "enlightened" agnosticism?"
Then you have no clue what an agnostic is, shocking...
Agnostics typically teach that if g-d exists, he is so beyond fathoming that he is not like a man at all. And you claim to be one of them..something tells me you're just confused, and that you latched on to the first idea of G-d that doesn't require any responsiblity whatsoever that you saw.
When I said what I said about people like you, I meant that if the Jews had greater merit, then we maybe would not have suffered the way we did, that your kefirah and your actions that you do as a result of it are dangerous to the klal. Extermination has no grounds in Torah, i don't know why you would think such a thing.
Agnostics typically is defined as a person who is open to the concept of a G-d or gods, but not a spesific one, there for i can be open to the idea YOUR G-d exists, just as i am open to the idea an Indian G-d exists... etc. etc.
"then we maybe would not have suffered the way we did", how typical, blame me for 2000 years of hardship, and not the G-d who promised you other wise, you need a scape goat so your belief wont fade away, the scapegoat just happens to be me.
"Extermination has no grounds in Torah", thats disputed, but since i am not an expert you can enlighten me about Amalek.
Generally speaking, agnostics tend to have an idea of G-d, and a very convenient one at that. If a person believes that everything G-d does is just, he does nto need a scapegoat. I do not blame you for the hardships, I blame your ideas, and people like you throughout histroy, ranging from the chayt ha'egel, to modern times.
Wiping out Amalek is a totally different story, as you were referring to jewish people, the torah does not say that we can wipe out jewish people(im giving you enough credit to know what an eir hanidachas is, but even in this case it was extremely rare that an entire city would turn to idolatry)
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
yes you sacrifice people for the torah, and how do you know you worship G-d? did he tell you?
There is not a single case of human sacrifice sanctioned by the torah..G-d himself sent a ma'alach to stop Avraham from sacrifcing Yitzchak on the akeida, remember? probably not.
are you THAT dumb to believe im talking about Aztec style sacrifices?
are you THAT THICK?!
Well remember since me and you are morons, and since both of us are stupid when it comes to the bible, me claiming it was god himself who told Abraham to sacrifice his child as a test will be false? but i guess i must have picked that one out of a cartoon on the lefty T.V...
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...meanwhile I patiently await an answer to my question...
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taren id reply to this convo but im laughing too hard at this guy...
I'd laugh at you if it weren't for the remorse I feel for you and others like you, who are so deeply rooted in secularism and are so anti-torah that you deny truths held dear to the Jewish people for millenia, under the guise of intelligence and free-thinking. I would venture that some frum jew [censored] you off when you were younger, or you got a bad image of frum jews from israeli media.
im not anti torah at all, im against sacrificing people for it and worshiping it with zeal, im basically anti- you.
I want to sacrifice people? I don't worship torah, i worship g-d..big difference.
yes you sacrifice people for the torah, and how do you know you worship G-d? did he tell you?
There is not a single case of human sacrifice sanctioned by the torah..G-d himself sent a ma'alach to stop Avraham from sacrifcing Yitzchak on the akeida, remember? probably not.
are you THAT dumb to believe im talking about Aztec style sacrifices?
are you THAT THICK?!
Well remember since me and you are morons, and since both of us are stupid when it comes to the bible, me claiming it was G-d himself who told Abraham to sacrifice his child as a test will be false? but i guess i must have picked that one out of a cartoon on the lefty T.V...
You are, unbelievably, correct in saying that G-d himself originally told avraham to sacrifice yitzchak, what difference does that make? it was a test of his faith, but not one which G-d wanted him to carry out evidently.
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...meanwhile I patiently await an answer to my question...
you want me to write down a single sentence like "kill all muzzies" or something?
how did we win WW2, how did the US get rid of the communists?
were fighting a global war, and we WILL win, we will destroy radical islam because we have superior firepower, motivation, intellect and resources.
we will defeat them wherever they are, i am not a general and neither are you, there is no single answer to "how we beat them", thats like telling a child "those guys are bad guys", its simplifying things for a simple mind, i hold you higher then that.
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Well youre the one who asked SSN if he "remembers", as in "you probably dont have a clue", we are sorry to dissapoint you.
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...meanwhile I patiently await an answer to my question...
you want me to write down a single sentence like "kill all muzzies" or something?
how did we win WW2, how did the US get rid of the communists?
were fighting a global war, and we WILL win, we will destroy radical islam because we have superior firepower, motivation, intellect and resources.
we will defeat them wherever they are, i am not a general and neither are you, there is no single answer to "how we beat them", thats like telling a child "those guys are bad guys", its simplifying things for a simple mind, i hold you higher then that.
You presume that I am looking for an all encompassing simple answer to a complex problem. You are mistaken in your presumption. Perhaps I should have clarified. Did we win WW2 by allowing Germans and Japanese to immigrate into England and the U.S. during a time of war? Did we beat the communists by being afraid to name who and what the enemy was because of political correctness. Do you believe the way we go about fighting this "global war" today is correct? Do you believe that the U.S. should not have dropped two atomic bombs on Japan when they had the chance and instead fought a long, protracted war resulting in the deaths of millions?
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...meanwhile I patiently await an answer to my question...
you want me to write down a single sentence like "kill all muzzies" or something?
how did we win WW2, how did the US get rid of the communists?
were fighting a global war, and we WILL win, we will destroy radical islam because we have superior firepower, motivation, intellect and resources.
we will defeat them wherever they are, i am not a general and neither are you, there is no single answer to "how we beat them", thats like telling a child "those guys are bad guys", its simplifying things for a simple mind, i hold you higher then that.
You presume that I am looking for an all encompassing simple answer to a complex problem. You are mistaken in your presumption. Perhaps I should have clarified. Did we win WW2 by allowing Germans and Japanese to immigrate into England and the U.S. during a time of war? Did we beat the communists by being afraid to name who and what the enemy was because of political correctness. Do you believe the way we go about fighting this "global war" today is correct? Do you believe that the U.S. should not have dropped two atomic bombs on Japan when they had the chance and instead fought a long, protracted war resulting in the deaths of millions?
there were germans and japanese in the US during these times, the japanese were put into camps, this solved NOTHING, its a dark chapter in american history, and i myself questioned if it really was unnecessary, and it was according to history.
we must remember muslims arent a single entity, but yes we must crackdown harder on militant ones in our nations and indeed everywhere, this does not mean put ALL muslims in camps.
i support the decision to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki, but remember how many years it took to reach japan? they had to conquer islands and make a safe route in order to deliver the killing blow, this is a metaphor to how we cant just go around nuking the muslim extremists, its a delicate process of war.
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...meanwhile I patiently await an answer to my question...
you want me to write down a single sentence like "kill all muzzies" or something?
how did we win WW2, how did the US get rid of the communists?
were fighting a global war, and we WILL win, we will destroy radical islam because we have superior firepower, motivation, intellect and resources.
we will defeat them wherever they are, i am not a general and neither are you, there is no single answer to "how we beat them", thats like telling a child "those guys are bad guys", its simplifying things for a simple mind, i hold you higher then that.
You presume that I am looking for an all encompassing simple answer to a complex problem. You are mistaken in your presumption. Perhaps I should have clarified. Did we win WW2 by allowing Germans and Japanese to immigrate into England and the U.S. during a time of war? Did we beat the communists by being afraid to name who and what the enemy was because of political correctness. Do you believe the way we go about fighting this "global war" today is correct? Do you believe that the U.S. should not have dropped two atomic bombs on Japan when they had the chance and instead fought a long, protracted war resulting in the deaths of millions?
there were germans and japanese in the US during these times, the japanese were put into camps, this solved NOTHING, its a dark chapter in american history, and i myself questioned if it really was unnecessary, and it was according to history.
we must remember muslims arent a single entity, but yes we must crackdown harder on militant ones in our nations and indeed everywhere, this does not mean put ALL muslims in camps.
i support the decision to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki, but remember how many years it took to reach japan? they had to conquer islands and make a safe route in order to deliver the killing blow, this is a metaphor to how we cant just go around nuking the muslim extremists, its a delicate process of war.
Whether the Japanese internment camps were successful or not is debatable. I do not believe that ALL Japanese in the U.S. were the enemy but don't doubt that some were. The challenge is how to differentiate? You state that "we must crackdown harder on militant ones in our nations and indeed everywhere, this does not mean put ALL muslims in camps." How do you distinguish the militant Muslims? The flaw in your logic is that, to do both, is impossible. Yes, you can use intelligence and attempt to infiltrate the militant ones, but this is unreliable at best and at worst not supported by a segment of the population based on civil rights violations.
Also, the fact that Muslims already live in the U.S. does not address the insanity of continuing to let Muslims immigrate to the U.S. and to keep the borders unprotected.
My question about the atomic bomb was not meant to insinuate that we should nuke the Muslim world. It was to convey a mindframe that existed then that said we will use anything at our disposal to defeat our enemy, no matter how cruel it is deemed to be by some. I do not believe this mindframe exists today.
As far as I'm concerned, we appear to agree that the west is facing a huge problem and that we need to defeat it. We probably do not agree on the method to do so.
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It's clear from reading these exchanges that these left, secular Israelis have NO IDEA how to win. It's clear from post-Oslo history that they have NO IDEA how to win.
Yes, the secularists of 47-67 knew how.............but this geneation does not!
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
I'm also Hiloni for now ...
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
I'm also Hiloni for now ...
That's OK (for now), Dexter. You have Ahavat Yisrael, patriotism, courage, barzel and a desire to WIN against evil.
The problem with Israelis like these other two is that they seek the path of appeasement, defeat and suicide because of self-hate and moral confusion.
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
I'm also Hiloni for now ...
That's OK (for now),
never say that, the people who tell you that what you are doing is okay can be the worst enemy for a person. I like listining to people who tell me what im doing is wronge, they are the ones who can and do really help me becuase then I see that its wronge and try with G-ds help to change. Im not 100% okay, but we should allways strive to be the best.
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
I'm also Hiloni for now ...
then those lectures would be great for you (actually also for everyone).
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are you a fan of the movie "the gladiator", ssnn?
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
I LOVE Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi's stuff! I've been alternating between Ask JTF and Divine Information lectures in the car each day. I got a really cool car radio that reads MP3s off a USB drive. Traffic doesn't even phase me these days. I actually look forward to it and I learn a lot.
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are you Israeli Hilonim? you should seach lectures by Rav Amnon Yitzhak, if not listin to just one lecture by Rav Mizrahi and tell me if you dont belive (know) in the Torah.
divinenformation.com , or Kolyakov.org - their are lectures titles "divine information" or "Proof That Torah is Divine I and II" . after seeing it, please try to disprove even one of the points, I dont belive that after seeing it you still will have doubts.
shkoyach tzvi for posting that, i'd recommend the series I did on youtube about the torah's divinity as well http://youtube.com/vulcanmat613
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I'm going to check that out. Do you this series?
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I'm going to check that out. Do you this series?
Yeah, I did a series called "argument for the torah's divinity" a few months back..baruch hashem it helped 2 jews find torah.
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Its amazing how deeper and deeper you learn the Torah the more secrets you find and the more one can be simply amazed. Even within the pshat of many of the events in the Talmud you are able to learn deeper insights and profound secrets.
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Its amazing how deeper and deeper you learn the Torah the more secrets you find and the more one can be simply amazed. Even within the pshat of many of the events in the Talmud you are able to learn deeper insights and profound secrets.
- for example last night I was reading Likutei Moharan and their was an
thanks for commenting on my videos tzvi, it's greatly appreciated!
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Its amazing how deeper and deeper you learn the Torah the more secrets you find and the more one can be simply amazed. Even within the pshat of many of the events in the Talmud you are able to learn deeper insights and profound secrets.
- for example last night I was reading Likutei Moharan and their was an
thanks for commenting on my videos tzvi, it's greatly appreciated!
They are great videos.
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Its amazing how deeper and deeper you learn the Torah the more secrets you find and the more one can be simply amazed. Even within the pshat of many of the events in the Talmud you are able to learn deeper insights and profound secrets.
- for example last night I was reading Likutei Moharan and their was an
thanks for commenting on my videos tzvi, it's greatly appreciated!
If people have questions on Judaism can I direct them to you?
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Its amazing how deeper and deeper you learn the Torah the more secrets you find and the more one can be simply amazed. Even within the pshat of many of the events in the Talmud you are able to learn deeper insights and profound secrets.
- for example last night I was reading Likutei Moharan and their was an
thanks for commenting on my videos tzvi, it's greatly appreciated!
If people have questions on Judaism can I direct them to you?
Sure thing, and if I don't know the answer, I'll forward the q to a competent rabbi, my email's in my profile.