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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ItalianZionist on September 05, 2007, 08:48:18 PM
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Please pick the right occupation and major while you're in college, and pick it well. Because if you make a mistake and then want to change your occupation years down the road after graduation, it will be EXTREMELY difficult if not impossible.
Find out what you want to do and if it agrees with you and get some internship experience. Take advantage of the placement office a year to 6 months before graduation, because the placement office will treat you like yesterdays news if you go back to them a year after graduation. Fight like hell to get that first RIGHT job...right after college as soon as you graduate.
Take it from painful experience.
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I'm sorry to hear about that ItalianZionist. I can imagine how you feel. Just keep trying, eventually you'll find a job. If the people in charge of hiring at those jobs that only hire directly out of college won't hire you because you're too old, they're probably too stupid to want to work for anyway. Why would they not want to hire an older and more mature and experienced worker? Doesn't make any sense. Keep trying, someone will hire you just don't give up.
You're right about picking the right major in college though.
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Thanks Ze'ev.....you guys are the best.
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I hope it all works out for you IZ
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Please pick the right occupation and major while you're in college, and pick it well. Because if you make a mistake and then want to change your occupation years down the road after graduation, it will be EXTREMELY difficult if not impossible.
Find out what you want to do and if it agrees with you and get some internship experience. Take advantage of the placement office a year to 6 months before graduation, because the placement office will treat you like yesterdays news if you go back to them a year after graduation. Fight like hell to get that first RIGHT job...right after college as soon as you graduate.
Take it from painful experience.
I'm sorry you experienced that. Lots of people who attend college without a clue of what they're going there to recieve their degree in often find that looking for work is harder when you don't love what you do. Finding proper placement and getting the proper experience in the field of study you choose is very important.
I am currently in college recieving my Associate of Science- Interdisciplinary Education Paraprofessional Degree. But while I'm studying, I've been offered a job opportunity to work at a head start school while my 3 year old attends. I've also been told that I can go to my teenagers' high school to sit in (as a Paraprofessional ...or Teacher's Aide) to gain more experience. After I recieve my A.S. I'm going to go back for my B.S. in Secondary Education to become a full- fledged English/ Reading Support Teacher.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
I've taught in the New York City school system for eight years now in the south Bronx and I'm still enjoying it and doing well. I might be bananas, but it's got nothing to do with me working for the school system :laugh:
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
I've taught in the New York City school system for eight years now in the south Bronx and I'm still enjoying it and doing well. I might be bananas, but it's got nothing to do with me working for the school system :laugh:
My best friend since 7th grade is now a 5th grade teacher in our old neighborhood. She's gone batty but she's an outstanding teacher. lol
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
Don't be silly and risk your life out of misguided loyalty to savages, Erica.
You and your husband have worked hard to get where you are. Teach in a good school in a good neighbourhood and leave the losers of the planet to their fate.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
Don't be silly and risk your life out of misguided loyalty to savages, Erica.
You and your husband have worked hard to get where you are. Teach in a good school in a good neighbourhood and leave the losers of the planet to their fate.
Yet you are the same person who had the nerve to tell me what I should do for my community and culture...and you aren't the only person to say that. So its a bad thing when I don't take up the ENTIRE plight of the black communty and fix things for YOU but when I mention that I'm going to help out in another way, now I'm silly? Make up your mind, man. Despite what you say, I'm going to do what I feel I was born to do. My husband and I came out of the same system that the students I'll be teaching are in now. Stressful, though it may be, they're worth the effort, even if you do think they're good for nothing.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
I'll get one when I get home. I'm not going to be living in NY, but if I were, I'd take you up on that offer. You aren't scaring me.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
Don't be silly and risk your life out of misguided loyalty to savages, Erica.
You and your husband have worked hard to get where you are. Teach in a good school in a good neighbourhood and leave the losers of the planet to their fate.
Also, newman, I had a few teachers who acted just like you're acting toward black kids in their classes. I was even told by my 8th grade teacher that I'd not make anything of myself when I grew up. She was wrong and so are you about the students I'll come in contact with.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's 15 to 20 (edit to add numbers) black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It will be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
Sadly true newman
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
Sadly true newman
What is your purpose for teaching, ItalianZionist?
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
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Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
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Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
Erica, the last sentence is a fragment. Please revise.
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So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
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Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
He probably was a very enthusiastic and idealistic young teacher until the savages destroyed his enthusiasm.
Most ex-teachers you meet will tell you that.
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LOL......NO, but seriously, like I said, I come to work for the good kids and hopefully I will change the "bad" kids. But until the profession changes with more security and disruptive student removal, the system is in bad shape..I do not advise anyone to get into it. Maybe if nobody gets into it the system will get the message.
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So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
He probably was a very enthusiastic and idealistic young teacher until the savages destroyed his enthusiasm.
Most ex-teachers you meet will tell you that.
Newman, you read my mind.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
Erica, the last sentence is a fragment. Please revise.
Pardon me Mr. Teacher... "No one respected this uninvolved 8th grade teacher, including all of the hard-working teachers (who IMO had more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.)"
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
Erica, the last sentence is a fragment. Please revise.
Pardon me Mr. Teacher... "No one respected this uninvolved 8th grade teacher, including all of the hard-working teachers (who IMO had more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.)"
Erica, the system has to do a better job or removing disruptive students..Also the parents have to do their job, which in black neighborhoods, unfortunately they don't.
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
too true
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
Erica, the last sentence is a fragment. Please revise.
Pardon me Mr. Teacher... "No one respected this uninvolved 8th grade teacher, including all of the hard-working teachers (who IMO had more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.)"
Erica, the system has to do a better job or removing disruptive students..Also the parents have to do their job, which in black neighborhoods, unfortunately they don't.
Oh no...don't go there with Erica! ;)
We just have to figure out ways to bribe(buy) the parents into participating.
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So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
He probably was a very enthusiastic and idealistic young teacher until the savages destroyed his enthusiasm.
Most ex-teachers you meet will tell you that.
Most people don't like their jobs, newman. That dosen't mean that there isn't someone who will have better ideas on how to improve the situation.
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
Brillianly put, Ze'ev!
If you see the film 'Lean On Me' about that GREAT educator and black gentleman 'Crazy' Joe Clark, he says exactly that to his poor, inner-city students.
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
I don't preach that 'philosophy' to my children. My kids as well as my future students will know that the world doesnt' owe them anything. They do owe it to themselves to do well and prosper in society so that this racism crap can be anialated once and for all. There's nothing worse than growing up ignorant and blaming others for your downfalls.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
If you have no desire to inspire change in the minds of these students, why even teach, ItalianZionist? And why do you care, newman? If I'm the teacher of 30 students and over half of them graduate with honors, that's over half black kids who will not rob, steal, or kill. It would be a whole lot better when I reach ALL of my students.
Erica, of course there are children of all races that want to learn and behave. But all too are insolent in the bad neighborhoods. Moreover, you cannot always get the job you want and sometimes you need to stay with a job to pay the bills..
So you're one of those teachers who only teaches for the paycheck, and not for the overall teaching experience PLUS the pay. I had a teacher, my 8th grade teacher, in fact who told us that she wasn't interested in how we'd turn out, but that she only came to work everyday to collect a check. Needless to say, no one respected her. Not even teachers with more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.
Edited to Add:
Why didn't you get into a profession that you'd actually LOVE to get up in the morning to do?
Erica, the last sentence is a fragment. Please revise.
Pardon me Mr. Teacher... "No one respected this uninvolved 8th grade teacher, including all of the hard-working teachers (who IMO had more tact in their number 2 pencils than she had in her entire body.)"
Erica, the system has to do a better job or removing disruptive students..Also the parents have to do their job, which in black neighborhoods, unfortunately they don't.
Oh no...don't go there with Erica! ;)
We just have to figure out ways to bribe(buy) the parents into participating.
And bullcat, get off of my back, please. You bash me on giving incentives to students who do well. I'd rather present positive reinforcement than to end up saying to my students that they are too stupid to make it in the world so I won't try to teach them.
And what is giving children allowance, bullcat? I'm not sure if your child is old enough to recieve one but if you do give them an allowance for housework or good work in school, what's so wrong with me doing the same thing toward the end of the year for my future students?
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
I don't preach that 'philosophy' to my children. My kids as well as my future students will know that the world doesnt' owe them anything. They do owe it to themselves to do well and prosper in society so that this racism crap can be anialated once and for all. There's nothing worse than growing up ignorant and blaming others for your downfalls.
See,
You ARE a conservative at heart.
I bet you'll be just like Crazy Joe.
You'll be Crazy Erica, the 'bat' lady. :)
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
So if your class is doing so well, why are you complaining? I know the job isn't easy by a long shot, but is it the other teachers' students who are pushing your buttons and making you hate your job or just the routine? And congrats by the way. :)
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The people who support and push affirmative action and the affirmative action mentality are unwittingly creating people who think that they can't make it based on their own merits and that they need special help in order to compete with "normal" people. How demoralizing is that? What a horrible and offensive thing to teach people! It's telling them that they're different than everyone else and that we should have different standards for judging them because if we were to judge them based on the same standards as everyone else they would fail. Of course most of the affirmative action people aren't aware of how the concept of affirmative action is changing the way they think about themselves in society and they just support it because it's seemingly beneficial to them in the long run but it has disastrous effects on their psyches that they aren't even aware of. Affirmative action is breeding a generation of people with lowered senses of self-respect who know deep down in their hearts that a significant reason why they are in the place they are currently in is because of their skin color. Not their hard work, intelligence, but their skin color. What an awful thing that is to realize. Imagine if someone came up to you and told you that a part of what you worked to achieve in your life was predetermined and that you didn't actually work for it but it was given to you in an arbitrary manner. That is a soul-destructive realization that takes away a big part of your feeling of self-worth and humanity away from you.
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
So if your class is doing so well, why are you complaining? I know the job isn't easy by a long shot, but is it the other teachers' students who are pushing your buttons and making you hate your job or just the routine? And congrats by the way. :)
Erica, It's the system and the parents. The system is too liberal and P.C. to tell the parents how to act at home and the Parents all too often are irresponsible.
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
I don't preach that 'philosophy' to my children. My kids as well as my future students will know that the world doesnt' owe them anything. They do owe it to themselves to do well and prosper in society so that this racism crap can be anialated once and for all. There's nothing worse than growing up ignorant and blaming others for your downfalls.
See,
You ARE a conservative at heart.
I bet you'll be just like Crazy Joe.
You'll be Crazy Erica, the 'bat' lady. :)
I won't have to carry a bat around (even as a prop) to get my students to learn and care about their educations though. I'm conservative about some things, liberal about others. One thing I don't believe in is placing blame on white people when as a black person (born free, no less)you have the ability and intelligence to do anything you set your mind to.
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The people who support and push affirmative action and the affirmative action mentality are unwittingly creating people who think that they can't make it based on their own merits and that they need special help in order to compete with "normal" people. How demoralizing is that? What a horrible and offensive thing to teach people! It's telling them that they're different than everyone else and that we should have different standards for judging them because if we were to judge them based on the same standards as everyone else they would fail. Of course most of the affirmative action people aren't aware of how the concept of affirmative action is changing the way they think about themselves in society and they just support it because it's seemingly beneficial to them in the long run but it has disastrous effects on their psyches that they aren't even aware of. Affirmative action is breeding a generation of people with lowered senses of self-respect who know deep down in their hearts that a significant reason why they are in the place they are currently in is because of their skin color. Not their hard work, intelligence, but their skin color. What an awful thing that is to realize. Imagine if someone came up to you and told you that a part of what you worked to achieve in your life was predetermined and that you didn't actually work for it but it was given to you in an arbitrary manner. That is a soul-destructive realization that takes away a big part of your feeling of self-worth and humanity away from you.
The whole mentallity of which you speak was never intended to improve anybody's lot. It was designed to keep people poor and miserable and create a permanent voting base for the liberals who invented it.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
So if your class is doing so well, why are you complaining? I know the job isn't easy by a long shot, but is it the other teachers' students who are pushing your buttons and making you hate your job or just the routine? And congrats by the way. :)
Erica, It's the system and the parents. The system is too liberal and P.C. to tell the parents how to act at home and the Parents all too often are irresponsible.
I know what you're saying and I agree full-heartedly with you. I was talking to my best friend about this very subject last week and we came to the conclusion that there are parents who just expect the teacher to 'babysit' their son or daughter. Some are involved to the point that they'd attend school with their children but some are just lazy and too ignorant to help out.
I seek to change the policy which says that we have to mind our business when suggesting to parents that they help their children out at home with their homework or volunteer for the sake of their children's futures. If the parents are working, I'd work around their schedules to make sure they know about what their child is doing, progress and behavior-wise. Some parents will hate me for it, but some will respect the suggestions.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Do those same white people congregate with blacks? I remember back in college, whites sat with whites, Asians with Asians and blacks with blacks because each of the ethnicities thought that the other ethnicity didn't want to really have anything to do with them. SOme self-hating blacks sat alone because they were convinced that whites would make friends with them only to pick their culture apart. Some whites thought that if they made friends with a black person that they'd walk away from the situation speaking in ebonics and dressing 'hood'. There is fear on each side. Almost like inside bullying, only no one is saying anything.
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The people who support and push affirmative action and the affirmative action mentality are unwittingly creating people who think that they can't make it based on their own merits and that they need special help in order to compete with "normal" people. How demoralizing is that? What a horrible and offensive thing to teach people! It's telling them that they're different than everyone else and that we should have different standards for judging them because if we were to judge them based on the same standards as everyone else they would fail. Of course most of the affirmative action people aren't aware of how the concept of affirmative action is changing the way they think about themselves in society and they just support it because it's seemingly beneficial to them in the long run but it has disastrous effects on their psyches that they aren't even aware of. Affirmative action is breeding a generation of people with lowered senses of self-respect who know deep down in their hearts that a significant reason why they are in the place they are currently in is because of their skin color. Not their hard work, intelligence, but their skin color. What an awful thing that is to realize. Imagine if someone came up to you and told you that a part of what you worked to achieve in your life was predetermined and that you didn't actually work for it but it was given to you in an arbitrary manner. That is a soul-destructive realization that takes away a big part of your feeling of self-worth and humanity away from you.
The whole mentallity of which you speak was never intended to improve anybody's lot. It was designed to keep people poor and miserable and create a permanent voting base for the liberals who invented it.
That I agree with, now. When AA was first implemented it wasn't there to separate the races but make them equal. NOw its thought of something that makes life a living hell for each race because no one is comfortable talking to each other about anything because of the static between the races and AA. I wish it didn't exist, now.
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
So if your class is doing so well, why are you complaining? I know the job isn't easy by a long shot, but is it the other teachers' students who are pushing your buttons and making you hate your job or just the routine? And congrats by the way. :)
Erica, It's the system and the parents. The system is too liberal and P.C. to tell the parents how to act at home and the Parents all too often are irresponsible.
I know what you're saying and I agree full-heartedly with you. I was talking to my best friend about this very subject last week and we came to the conclusion that there are parents who just expect the teacher to 'babysit' their son or daughter. Some are involved to the point that they'd attend school with their children but some are just lazy and too ignorant to help out.
I seek to change the policy which says that we have to mind our business when suggesting to parents that they help their children out at home with their homework or volunteer for the sake of their children's futures. If the parents are working, I'd work around their schedules to make sure they know about what their child is doing, progress and behavior-wise. Some parents will hate me for it, but some will respect the suggestions.
Should the system pay these parents to participate with you in their children's education?
What if they just don't want to come to see you at any time?
Most teachers do try to meet with working parents at a convenient time.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Don't complain about the self-segregation. If they sat near you, you'd have to watch your wallet.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Do those same white people congregate with blacks? I remember back in college, whites sat with whites, Asians with Asians and blacks with blacks because each of the ethnicities thought that the other ethnicity didn't want to really have anything to do with them. SOme self-hating blacks sat alone because they were convinced that whites would make friends with them only to pick their culture apart. Some whites thought that if they made friends with a black person that they'd walk away from the situation speaking in ebonics and dressing 'hood'. There is fear on each side. Almost like inside bullying, only no one is saying anything.
Well when everyone sits in class on the first day and the blacks all decide to go together and sit in one area, no one is stopping them from sitting wherever they want. They choose to go sit together. None of the white people treat any of the black people any differently, I spoke to a few of the black people and I was just as nice to them as I was to anyone else. Whenever they see a black person they immediately have to know them, like if they see a black that they don't know they'll immediately go up to him and say hi nice to meet you, what's your name? I am almost certain that all the black people know each other by now and it's only barely 3 weeks into school. They don't go up to white people and act like they want to meet them. There are whites to talk to asians, there's an Indian guy I know who talks to white people and associates with white people and also even arab Muslims who associate with white people and talk to them. The blacks are different. They don't seem to want to get to know anyone who isn't black. It's sort of offensive really because when the black people are walking around it's almost impossible to even say hi to them because they completely ignore you because there's such a degree of separation between them and everyone else.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Don't complain about the self-segregation. If they sat near you, you'd have to watch your wallet.
I'm not complaining about it. I'm just saying that the "racism" and "inequality" and "segregation" are all imposed by themselves, not by anyone else.
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Erica, I don't want to brag, but my class has always scored among the highest in the district on standardized tests. Even though I hate my job, I still do it well..
So if your class is doing so well, why are you complaining? I know the job isn't easy by a long shot, but is it the other teachers' students who are pushing your buttons and making you hate your job or just the routine? And congrats by the way. :)
Erica, It's the system and the parents. The system is too liberal and P.C. to tell the parents how to act at home and the Parents all too often are irresponsible.
I know what you're saying and I agree full-heartedly with you. I was talking to my best friend about this very subject last week and we came to the conclusion that there are parents who just expect the teacher to 'babysit' their son or daughter. Some are involved to the point that they'd attend school with their children but some are just lazy and too ignorant to help out.
I seek to change the policy which says that we have to mind our business when suggesting to parents that they help their children out at home with their homework or volunteer for the sake of their children's futures. If the parents are working, I'd work around their schedules to make sure they know about what their child is doing, progress and behavior-wise. Some parents will hate me for it, but some will respect the suggestions.
Should the system pay these parents to participate with you in their children's education?
What if they just don't want to come to see you at any time?
Most teachers do try to meet with working parents at a convenient time.
If the parents can't get their kids to be bussed to the schools, or are too poor to send the students to school with decent clothing, I dont' see the problem in it. HOwever if they see abuse of the program then it should be kinked right then. Other suggestions should be talked about after the program ends. So there should always be someone trying to help out in other ways.
If the parents don't want to come to see me, I can't force them to, but I can still write and send them messages through their children. I'll have done my part.
My mom was a working mom with 3 children in public schools. She managed to make it to almost every function we had eventhough she wasn't emotionally involved in our schooling. She was difficult that way sometimes; and I don't know why. Alternatively though, some students develop without aid from their parents. They develop their own sense of style, thinking (problem solving) and come up with ways to make their lives better.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Do those same white people congregate with blacks? I remember back in college, whites sat with whites, Asians with Asians and blacks with blacks because each of the ethnicities thought that the other ethnicity didn't want to really have anything to do with them. SOme self-hating blacks sat alone because they were convinced that whites would make friends with them only to pick their culture apart. Some whites thought that if they made friends with a black person that they'd walk away from the situation speaking in ebonics and dressing 'hood'. There is fear on each side. Almost like inside bullying, only no one is saying anything.
Well when everyone sits in class on the first day and the blacks all decide to go together and sit in one area, no one is stopping them from sitting wherever they want. They choose to go sit together. None of the white people treat any of the black people any differently, I spoke to a few of the black people and I was just as nice to them as I was to anyone else. Whenever they see a black person they immediately have to know them, like if they see a black that they don't know they'll immediately go up to him and say hi nice to meet you, what's your name? I am almost certain that all the black people know each other by now and it's only barely 3 weeks into school. They don't go up to white people and act like they want to meet them. There are whites to talk to asians, there's an Indian guy I know who talks to white people and associates with white people and also even arab Muslims who associate with white people and talk to them. The blacks are different. They don't seem to want to get to know anyone who isn't black. It's sort of offensive really because when the black people are walking around it's almost impossible to even say hi to them because they completely ignore you because there's such a degree of separation between them and everyone else.
Then I'm more incline to call them 'flaky' people. Just like there are cliques in high school, there are cliques in college also. Those blacks in your class are afraid that the whites will look at them differently or see them as Yacov says often, as Affirmative Action. They put on a front to make it seem as though they're altogether when all they're thinking about is what the white people in the class thinks of them. I dont' have time for all of that mess.
I attend college online and no one besides one of my good friends in my classes knows what race I am (because it never came up). The school dosen't know either because it wasn't a question on the application. I associate with everyone who seems fun, inviting and opinionated. I don't have time to weed out all of the black people online and get to know them, just by virtue of them being black. lol That's too much work.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Don't complain about the self-segregation. If they sat near you, you'd have to watch your wallet.
I'm not complaining about it. I'm just saying that the "racism" and "inequality" and "segregation" are all imposed by themselves, not by anyone else.
Its a never-ending cycle. It started with blacks of yesterday being separated from everyone else because they were 'different'... but it ended the moment we became free-thinking, voting, and enterprising people. Some took on the challenge, others still blame the white man for their problems, trials and tribulations. If you're not succeeding in life, its your own fault. The world dosen't revolve around lazy people.
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
I'm just bringing this thread up a little bit because of the interesting topic.
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
Newman...you're a genius....you're right on the money
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
Newman...you're a genius....you're right on the money
I can just imagine. Work is hell, but who do you turn to? Your bosses are tree-swingers and you've got the constant thread of being accused of racism.....as well as the daily risk of stabbing or shooting!!!
IZ, as soon as you're elligable for retirement pay....GET OUT. Take your pension, move to a white conservative state and drive a truck! You'll have a 100 fold improvement in your quallity of life.
Leave the planet of the apes to it's fate.
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
Newman...you're a genius....you're right on the money
I can just imagine. Work is hell, but who do you turn to? Your bosses are tree-swingers and you've got the constant thread of being accused of racism.....as well as the daily risk of stabbing or shooting!!!
IZ, as soon as you're elligable for retirement pay....GET OUT. Take your pension, move to a white conservative state and drive a truck! You'll have a 100 fold improvement in your quallity of life.
Leave the planet of the apes to it's fate.
ape has killed ape
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
Newman...you're a genius....you're right on the money
I can just imagine. Work is hell, but who do you turn to? Your bosses are tree-swingers and you've got the constant thread of being accused of racism.....as well as the daily risk of stabbing or shooting!!!
IZ, as soon as you're elligable for retirement pay....GET OUT. Take your pension, move to a white conservative state and drive a truck! You'll have a 100 fold improvement in your quallity of life.
Leave the planet of the apes to it's fate.
Newman , I'd like to say "I don't believe you're saying this!!!" but that would be untrue. I DO believe you're saying this. This means that you are not at all FOR educating black youth, you want them not to be educated at all because of what, exactly?
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
newman, I am always amazed at your ability to so thoroughly understand the situation here in America even though you're on the other side of the globe in Australia. You not only obviously care so much about America, but you have an intimate knowledge about so many things in America that it is a continuous source of surprise for me. You have a great amount of common sense and intuition. There are people who are LIVING IN THE SITUATION, but even they don't understand what's going on, but you are across the world and you have your hand on the pulse of what's going on here. Goes to show that everyone with a brain can see what's going on, no matter where he is, and the people who are brainwashed and steeped in idiocy will never be able to recognize what's going on even if they're directly involved in it, I think it's both.
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Newman, don't you think that not further educating black youths that the country will go even more into social debt?
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newman, I am always amazed at your ability to so thoroughly understand the situation here in America even though you're on the other side of the globe in Australia. You not only obviously care so much about America, but you have an intimate knowledge about so many things in America that it is a continuous source of surprise for me. You have a great amount of common sense and intuition. There are people who are LIVING IN THE SITUATION, but even they don't understand what's going on, but you are across the world and you have your hand on the pulse of what's going on here. Goes to show that everyone with a brain can see what's going on, no matter where he is, and the people who are brainwashed and steeped in idiocy will never be able to recognize what's going on even if they're directly involved in it, I think it's both.
Thankyou, Ze'ev
I also have a 10th grade education. But a man who can read is a man who can educate himself. The trick is simple:
Once you eliminate all the liberal,PC BS you have a clear mind. Fill it with information instead of football, gossip, soap operas and other baloney and HEY PRESTO.........you get some knowledge.
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newman, I am always amazed at your ability to so thoroughly understand the situation here in America even though you're on the other side of the globe in Australia. You not only obviously care so much about America, but you have an intimate knowledge about so many things in America that it is a continuous source of surprise for me. You have a great amount of common sense and intuition. There are people who are LIVING IN THE SITUATION, but even they don't understand what's going on, but you are across the world and you have your hand on the pulse of what's going on here. Goes to show that everyone with a brain can see what's going on, no matter where he is, and the people who are brainwashed and steeped in idiocy will never be able to recognize what's going on even if they're directly involved in it, I think it's both.
Thankyou, Ze'ev
I also have a 10th grade education. But a man who can read is a man who can educate himself. The trick is simple:
Once you eliminate all the liberal,PC BS you have a clear mind. Fill it with information instead of football, gossip, soap operas and other baloney and HEY PRESTO.........you get some knowledge.
#1, Answer my question please... #2. You made a list of ways 'shvartzas' are making life difficult (or something to that affect) and one of the things you listed was (edited to insert the correct quote) "Why can't I get into a good university? schvartzas!"... but YOU, newman, have a 10th grade education. I don't know what the criteria in Austrailia's high schools are but here in America, you need a high school diploma or GED equivelent in order to get into college. You dropped out. How exactly were you expecting to get into college?
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
I'm willing to bend a little because his response is so vague... he probably did graduate from high school... however, you must admit if I'd posted, " I have a 6th grade education..." most of you would say, 'Figures...after all you're a shvartza.'
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
I'm willing to bend a little because his response is so vague... he probably did graduate from high school... however, you must admit if I'd posted, " I have a 6th grade education..." most of you would say, 'Figures...after all you're a shvartza.'
Yeah, but at least that would be a somewhat informed guess. Let's face it, blacks have disproportionately high high school drop out rates. That's just a fact.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Newman, you didn't specify that you were speaking of someone in America, did you? It went over my head because you were vague. If you want to post someone else's words, make sure you add "anonomyous" or by 'the author'.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
I'm willing to bend a little because his response is so vague... he probably did graduate from high school... however, you must admit if I'd posted, " I have a 6th grade education..." most of you would say, 'Figures...after all you're a shvartza.'
Yeah, but at least that would be a somewhat informed guess. Let's face it, blacks have disproportionately high high school drop out rates. That's just a fact.
Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Newman, you didn't specify that you were speaking of someone in America, did you? It went over my head because you were vague. If you want to post someone else's words, make sure you add "anonomyous" or by 'the author'.
it has "by anonomous" at the bottom.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Newman, you didn't specify that you were speaking of someone in America, did you? It went over my head because you were vague. If you want to post someone else's words, make sure you add "anonomyous" or by 'the author'.
it has "by anonomous" at the bottom.
Re-read and edit, newman... anonomyous isn't there at all....
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Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
It wasn't a drop-out thing. In Australia, at the end of year 10 you sit for exams and are awarded a School Certificate a.ka. Intermediate Cert'.
If you continue through to the end of year 12 you get a Higher School Cert'.
I had to leave school and home at 16 because my home life was intollerable. I've made out OK.
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Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
It wasn't a drop-out thing. In Australia, at the end of year 10 you sit for exams and are awarded a School Certificate a.ka. Intermediate Cert'.
If you continue through to the end of year 12 you get a Higher School Cert'.
I had to leave school and home at 16 because my home life was intollerable. I've made out OK.
So you got the American equivelent of a GED certificate. So why couldn't you get into a University again?
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
"Yeah, but at least that would be a somewhat informed guess. Let's face it, blacks have disproportionately high high school drop out rates. That's just a fact."
I was responding to the above quote. At which point I guess that it is supposed to be acceptable that whites or other non blacks assume that all blacks are high school drop outs. Yes, I went to a school where the drop out rate was incredible, but I was also one of 100 seniors in our school to graduate from the school dispite the drop out rate. Its simply not fair to lump those who succeed with those who give up.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Yeah, what she's doing is basically equating the statements "many blacks proportionate to their population drop out from high school" to "no black has ever graduated from high school ever"
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Let's just say that it's safe to assume that if you're a black person you have a much higher chance of not having graduated high school than the typical white person. Agreed?
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Let's just say that it's safe to assume that if you're a black person you have a much higher chance of not having graduated high school than the typical white person. Agreed?
So it dosen't pay to even talk to a white person because always in the backs of their minds they're probably thinking...wow, I bet they didn't finish high school. My odds aren't the same as anyone's odds, but I will say this, maybe to give your post some validity, I thought about dropping out because of my family situation. Luckily I had councellors in school and teachers who cared about where I'd end up. I had a lot of outside help in deciding against becoming a statistic.
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
That's a lie! First off, it's only a small number of students who have no desire to be educated and who cause the most behavior problems in a school. Even those few do not desire to assault or murder us. They just want us to "Quit beasting", but they rarely assault us and never express how they want us dead. I'm speaking from my experiences in working in a bad area in the south Bronx for eight years. What experiences do you have to back up your claims?
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
Black teachers tell black children that they're going to face racism and that they are still responsible for succeeding in life and that the only person who can stand in the way of their successes is themselves.
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I hope you don't teach them like all the other black teachers probably teach them by telling them that they're going to face racism and the reason they're going to fail is because whitey is going to put them down and how they need affirmative action to succeed. The kids of today need to hear that if they mess up, it's their fault, and the only person who can stand in the way of their success is THEMSELVES. Tests aren't racist, teachers don't grade based on race, so stop your damn whining, stop demanding affirmative action and hit those books and don't blame anyone else if you don't succeed.
Brillianly put, Ze'ev!
If you see the film 'Lean On Me' about that GREAT educator and black gentleman 'Crazy' Joe Clark, he says exactly that to his poor, inner-city students.
For once, this is a post I agree with. There's nobody who is that extreme in my school. But I have seen and heard the black teachers and counselors in my school give the same exact message to the students.
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The people who support and push affirmative action and the affirmative action mentality are unwittingly creating people who think that they can't make it based on their own merits and that they need special help in order to compete with "normal" people. How demoralizing is that? What a horrible and offensive thing to teach people! It's telling them that they're different than everyone else and that we should have different standards for judging them because if we were to judge them based on the same standards as everyone else they would fail. Of course most of the affirmative action people aren't aware of how the concept of affirmative action is changing the way they think about themselves in society and they just support it because it's seemingly beneficial to them in the long run but it has disastrous effects on their psyches that they aren't even aware of. Affirmative action is breeding a generation of people with lowered senses of self-respect who know deep down in their hearts that a significant reason why they are in the place they are currently in is because of their skin color. Not their hard work, intelligence, but their skin color. What an awful thing that is to realize. Imagine if someone came up to you and told you that a part of what you worked to achieve in your life was predetermined and that you didn't actually work for it but it was given to you in an arbitrary manner. That is a soul-destructive realization that takes away a big part of your feeling of self-worth and humanity away from you.
The whole mentallity of which you speak was never intended to improve anybody's lot. It was designed to keep people poor and miserable and create a permanent voting base for the liberals who invented it.
Actually, it was designed to level the playing field. Whether or not this actually works is a whole other issue in itself. For many students, giving them IEPs (Individualized Education Plans), putting them in self-contained classes, giving them support services, and test modifications are very beneficial to the students. Yet there are some students that no matter how many accomodations you give them, they will not succeed or do any better on the tests either because they are so delayed or they have the potential, but refuse to apply themselves. But this applies only to a small minority of students.
But your stated intention that this was designed to make black people miserable is completely wrong and the exact opposite intention is true.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Do those same white people congregate with blacks? I remember back in college, whites sat with whites, Asians with Asians and blacks with blacks because each of the ethnicities thought that the other ethnicity didn't want to really have anything to do with them. SOme self-hating blacks sat alone because they were convinced that whites would make friends with them only to pick their culture apart. Some whites thought that if they made friends with a black person that they'd walk away from the situation speaking in ebonics and dressing 'hood'. There is fear on each side. Almost like inside bullying, only no one is saying anything.
Well when everyone sits in class on the first day and the blacks all decide to go together and sit in one area, no one is stopping them from sitting wherever they want. They choose to go sit together. None of the white people treat any of the black people any differently, I spoke to a few of the black people and I was just as nice to them as I was to anyone else. Whenever they see a black person they immediately have to know them, like if they see a black that they don't know they'll immediately go up to him and say hi nice to meet you, what's your name? I am almost certain that all the black people know each other by now and it's only barely 3 weeks into school. They don't go up to white people and act like they want to meet them. There are whites to talk to asians, there's an Indian guy I know who talks to white people and associates with white people and also even arab Muslims who associate with white people and talk to them. The blacks are different. They don't seem to want to get to know anyone who isn't black. It's sort of offensive really because when the black people are walking around it's almost impossible to even say hi to them because they completely ignore you because there's such a degree of separation between them and everyone else.
I don't know how things are in your part of the planet. But on my side of the planet, what you state here is completely not true!
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Don't complain about the self-segregation. If they sat near you, you'd have to watch your wallet.
I'm not complaining about it. I'm just saying that the "racism" and "inequality" and "segregation" are all imposed by themselves, not by anyone else.
It's imposed by both.
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
I work in dist 8.
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ItalianZionist, what district do you teach in?
....dist 19
Am I right in guessing that it's not just the savage kids who destroyed your love for the job, but also the Affirmative Action people put in senior posts at the school board making dumb decisions, too?
You're partly right in this statement. There are a lot of politically appointed educrats that have never taught in the school system that are put in senior posts that make absolutely horrible decisions for the school system. But I would disagree on calling them "affirmative action" people. Do you think Joel Klein, the chancelor of the NYC school system, is an affirmative action person or is he someone who was appointed by Bloomberg because of political connections? I've seen how this works in the school system. Those who are appointed to the senior posts are done so due to political connections and not due to affirmative action.
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newman, I am always amazed at your ability to so thoroughly understand the situation here in America even though you're on the other side of the globe in Australia. You not only obviously care so much about America, but you have an intimate knowledge about so many things in America that it is a continuous source of surprise for me. You have a great amount of common sense and intuition. There are people who are LIVING IN THE SITUATION, but even they don't understand what's going on, but you are across the world and you have your hand on the pulse of what's going on here. Goes to show that everyone with a brain can see what's going on, no matter where he is, and the people who are brainwashed and steeped in idiocy will never be able to recognize what's going on even if they're directly involved in it, I think it's both.
Thankyou, Ze'ev
I also have a 10th grade education. But a man who can read is a man who can educate himself. The trick is simple:
Once you eliminate all the liberal,PC BS you have a clear mind. Fill it with information instead of football, gossip, soap operas and other baloney and HEY PRESTO.........you get some knowledge.
Sounds like you're the real schvartze here then.
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Newman, don't you think that not further educating black youths that the country will go even more into social debt?
That's an excellent point, Erica. It's a hell of a lot more expensive to put them on welfare and/or in prison than it is to educate them early on, both financially as well as morally.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
So you're saying that we should all be like the schvartzes and drop out? Or is it that if a white person drops out, it's because he realizes what liberal bunk education really is and is better off dropping out and using his own brain to achieve his brilliance and success while if a black person drops out, it's because he's just a dumb lazy ape schvartze?
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Um, Newman, you are the biggest violator of not being able to understand the concept of collective versus individual. You constantly generalize and stereotype the entire black race based on individual scenarious and think your conclusions are sound and accurate. Yet if someone points out a positive individual experience and scenario, all of a sudden, you have a complete understanding of the concept of collective versus individual. This is nothing more than selective reasoning.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Um, Newman, you are the biggest violator of not being able to understand the concept of collective versus individual. You constantly generalize and stereotype the entire black race based on individual scenarious and think your conclusions are sound and accurate. Yet if someone points out a positive individual experience and scenario, all of a sudden, you have a complete understanding of the concept of collective versus individual. This is nothing more than selective reasoning.
No.
I generalise based on statistics, observation and common knowledge. When you wake up to yourself and become a conservative and are no longer confused by your liberal upbringing, you'll see things as clearly as I do.
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
So you're saying that we should all be like the schvartzes and drop out? Or is it that if a white person drops out, it's because he realizes what liberal bunk education really is and is better off dropping out and using his own brain to achieve his brilliance and success while if a black person drops out, it's because he's just a dumb lazy ape schvartze?
No of course we shouldn't drop out. I wasn't trying to make any general statement about why white people drop out of high school, but I have heard from some white drop outs that they just thought school was BS and didn't have any relation to the real world and what they were learning was pointless crap. I'm not saying that's true, I'm just saying that was their reason for quitting. I've met some high school drop-outs who are capable people who just don't want to go along with the system. Of course I don't ever think that a person is better off not graduating high school. There are many whites who drop out because they are dumb lazy ape white trash and there are plenty of blacks who drop out because they are dumb lazy ape schvartzes but proportionally, I would say that more whites than blacks drop out because they don't see why they should have to take classes learning about things that they will never end up needing in their lives. (again, not my opinion but this is what they think)
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Erica have you ever taught in a city school before? I wouldn't recommend it. If it's in a bad neighborhood, you'll go bananas within 6 months.
And you know this because? I actually attended school, both elementary school and high schol in the city where I grew up. Not much has changed since I was in school. Its only been 15 years for me. I'm going to teach where I'm needed. Right now I'm needed in the community where I grew up.
I know because I'm a teacher in an awful neighborhood. If you want a job let me know...I'll give you mine..
What burns me up, IZ is that you went into a nobel profession with the good intention of educating children.
Your reward is to be threatened with assault or murder every day by savages who have NO DESIRE to be educated.
That's a lie! First off, it's only a small number of students who have no desire to be educated and who cause the most behavior problems in a school. Even those few do not desire to assault or murder us. They just want us to "Quit beasting", but they rarely assault us and never express how they want us dead. I'm speaking from my experiences in working in a bad area in the south Bronx for eight years. What experiences do you have to back up your claims?
Daniel, I poked my head in for a few minutes this morning but couldn't stay to respond to you so I'll do so now... DANIEL YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!! And you echo everything I'm feeling about becomming a teacher. I feel like I owe it to myself and my community to at least dedicate my time, education and energy to teaching children in my neighborhood back home how to read and write. I'm not walking on the moon or anything but I am intending on helping to move mountains. When I become certified, I'll go where I'm needed. I'm going to respond to the other posts you read but do know this...they will look the same as this post I'm writing in response to you now.
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Keep the faith ItalianZionist. I went throught a similar situation too. Things will turn out all right.
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The black people at my law school are affirmative action and they frankly don't belong there. It's VERY apparent that they're not up to the level of everyone else. Also, they always segregate themselves and only talk to each other and no one else. The white people are always so nice to them but they CHOOSE to only congregate among themselves. In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room and all the blacks are off on one side of the room by themselves. It's self-segregation and the only reason that they're doing it is because they're taught that people hate them and that they need to stick with each other or else whitey will "bring them down" when in reality most of the liberal white people are willing to bend over and take it from any of them.
Do those same white people congregate with blacks? I remember back in college, whites sat with whites, Asians with Asians and blacks with blacks because each of the ethnicities thought that the other ethnicity didn't want to really have anything to do with them. SOme self-hating blacks sat alone because they were convinced that whites would make friends with them only to pick their culture apart. Some whites thought that if they made friends with a black person that they'd walk away from the situation speaking in ebonics and dressing 'hood'. There is fear on each side. Almost like inside bullying, only no one is saying anything.
Well when everyone sits in class on the first day and the blacks all decide to go together and sit in one area, no one is stopping them from sitting wherever they want. They choose to go sit together. None of the white people treat any of the black people any differently, I spoke to a few of the black people and I was just as nice to them as I was to anyone else. Whenever they see a black person they immediately have to know them, like if they see a black that they don't know they'll immediately go up to him and say hi nice to meet you, what's your name? I am almost certain that all the black people know each other by now and it's only barely 3 weeks into school. They don't go up to white people and act like they want to meet them. There are whites to talk to asians, there's an Indian guy I know who talks to white people and associates with white people and also even arab Muslims who associate with white people and talk to them. The blacks are different. They don't seem to want to get to know anyone who isn't black. It's sort of offensive really because when the black people are walking around it's almost impossible to even say hi to them because they completely ignore you because there's such a degree of separation between them and everyone else.
I don't know how things are in your part of the planet. But on my side of the planet, what you state here is completely not true!
Thank you Daniel! It is a lie.
Also, I emphasized one sentence I didn't look into at first..
"In one of my classes all the white people are sitting in the center of the room ..."
It sounds to me like they're segregating themselves also if they're not occupying empty chairs surrounding them... This has more to do with people (IN YOUR CLASSS) being uncomfortable around each other rather than just blacks being stand-offish. I was one of those blacks back in college who sat with people who best fit my personality; a little goofy, intelligent, musically inclined, and depressed. lol The people I sat with were black, white, sometimes a Chinese guy sat with us when his classes corresponded with our down time. My point is that you shouldn't go making off handed judgements about black people when its up to you to ask them how they feel about the situation you all are in. Are you afraid to talk to them, IZ?
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I think newman was saying that it only takes a 10th grade education in order to see things in the correct way. I don't think he was necessarily saying that HE had a 10th grade education.
No, I actually do have a 10th grade education.
The other post Erica is referring to was written by an american in general terms and was not about ME getting into a college. That part went over her head (as do a lot of things).
Oh, woah, tell us the story behind that, if you would be so kind? Namely, how does such a brilliant person only have a 10th grade education. Was it because you realized it was all bogus and you didn't need it? I know there is a similar phenomenon among many intelligent people who don't feel that they should just "go along" with the system.
So you're saying that we should all be like the schvartzes and drop out? Or is it that if a white person drops out, it's because he realizes what liberal bunk education really is and is better off dropping out and using his own brain to achieve his brilliance and success while if a black person drops out, it's because he's just a dumb lazy ape schvartze?
No of course we shouldn't drop out. I wasn't trying to make any general statement about why white people drop out of high school, but I have heard from some white drop outs that they just thought school was BS and didn't have any relation to the real world and what they were learning was pointless crap. I'm not saying that's true, I'm just saying that was their reason for quitting. I've met some high school drop-outs who are capable people who just don't want to go along with the system. Of course I don't ever think that a person is better off not graduating high school. There are many whites who drop out because they are dumb lazy ape white trash and there are plenty of blacks who drop out because they are dumb lazy ape schvartzes but proportionally, I would say that more whites than blacks drop out because they don't see why they should have to take classes learning about things that they will never end up needing in their lives. (again, not my opinion but this is what they think)
Dispite what you've read in the statistics about blacks and the drop out rate in America, would you think the same way about a black child who gets bored with things they feel they won't need to know in the future ; then ultimately drops out?
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Of course I would feel the same way about anyone who drops out of school for that reason. I just have a feeling that most black drop outs of school either just have a "screw this" mentality or don't want to even try in high school because of past failures in their academics so they just give up. Of course this is the case with many white drop-outs as well but I just feel that there is a greater proportion of whites who drop out in a more conscious way because they refuse to go along with the educational status quo. Of course everyone who drops out has a screw this mentality but what I'm trying to say is that most whites have a more conscious screw this mentality. Go ask a typical black why he dropped out and he'll give you an answer along the lines of, oh school, screw that, that's not cool, why go to school when I can join a gang and deal drugs instead, whereas if you talk to the average white drop-out and ask him why he dropped out he'll be more likely to say that he didn't see the point because what they learn about isn't relevant to the real world. Of course at the end of the day it doesn't really make a difference, they're all high school drop outs anyway.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Um, Newman, you are the biggest violator of not being able to understand the concept of collective versus individual. You constantly generalize and stereotype the entire black race based on individual scenarious and think your conclusions are sound and accurate. Yet if someone points out a positive individual experience and scenario, all of a sudden, you have a complete understanding of the concept of collective versus individual. This is nothing more than selective reasoning.
No.
I generalise based on statistics, observation and common knowledge. When you wake up to yourself and become a conservative and are no longer confused by your liberal upbringing, you'll see things as clearly as I do.
This is not about conservative versus liberal. It's about reality versus fantasy and being consistent about it. You are engaging in double standards and just absolute hypocrisy.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Um, Newman, you are the biggest violator of not being able to understand the concept of collective versus individual. You constantly generalize and stereotype the entire black race based on individual scenarious and think your conclusions are sound and accurate. Yet if someone points out a positive individual experience and scenario, all of a sudden, you have a complete understanding of the concept of collective versus individual. This is nothing more than selective reasoning.
No.
I generalise based on statistics, observation and common knowledge. When you wake up to yourself and become a conservative and are no longer confused by your liberal upbringing, you'll see things as clearly as I do.
This is not about conservative versus liberal. It's about reality versus fantasy and being consistent about it. You are engaging in double standards and just absolute hypocrisy.
No i'm not.
When the majority of group A act the same as the majority of group B, I'll be critical of both.
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Of course I would feel the same way about anyone who drops out of school for that reason. I just have a feeling that most black drop outs of school either just have a "screw this" mentality or don't want to even try in high school because of past failures in their academics so they just give up. Of course this is the case with many white drop-outs as well but I just feel that there is a greater proportion of whites who drop out in a more conscious way because they refuse to go along with the educational status quo. Of course everyone who drops out has a screw this mentality but what I'm trying to say is that most whites have a more conscious screw this mentality. Go ask a typical black why he dropped out and he'll give you an answer along the lines of, oh school, screw that, that's not cool, why go to school when I can join a gang and deal drugs instead, whereas if you talk to the average white drop-out and ask him why he dropped out he'll be more likely to say that he didn't see the point because what they learn about isn't relevant to the real world. Of course at the end of the day it doesn't really make a difference, they're all high school drop outs anyway.
You're proving my point exactly. You're making a lot of presumptions and generilizations. A drop-out is a drop-out regardless of color. There is no difference in the motivations and the issues which drive people to drop out of school. It's not like guidance counselors have certain issues in order to prevent whites from dropping out that are any different from preventing blacks from dropping out. The issues are exactly the same across the board regardless of race.
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Its not informed if someone implies that a black hasn't graduated just because they are black. I graduated high school 15 years ago.
This is typical Erica.
You quote a statistic or observation about blacks as a whole and she responds with..."But I don't" or "But I didn't"....it's annoying but get used to it as we can't seem to explain the concept of collective versus individual.
Um, Newman, you are the biggest violator of not being able to understand the concept of collective versus individual. You constantly generalize and stereotype the entire black race based on individual scenarious and think your conclusions are sound and accurate. Yet if someone points out a positive individual experience and scenario, all of a sudden, you have a complete understanding of the concept of collective versus individual. This is nothing more than selective reasoning.
No.
I generalise based on statistics, observation and common knowledge. When you wake up to yourself and become a conservative and are no longer confused by your liberal upbringing, you'll see things as clearly as I do.
This is not about conservative versus liberal. It's about reality versus fantasy and being consistent about it. You are engaging in double standards and just absolute hypocrisy.
No i'm not.
When the majority of group A act the same as the majority of group B, I'll be critical of both.
What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
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No issue is ever 100% exactly the same for two groups of people, EVER! There are always going to be cultural differences in every single aspect of life, no matter what. I guess next you're going to tell me that the reason for murder with whites and blacks is EXACTLY the same, or the reason for gang activity between whites and blacks is exactly the same. There are very different issues concerning why whites and blacks drop out of school. One is the anti-intellectual nature of many African Americans who think that it is "acting white" to do well in school. You don't find this phenomenon among white people. You cannot deny cultural realities and cultural histories that have shaped the way people are today. If the issues are exactly the same across the board, why do we find disparities in white and black drop-out rates? Obviously the issues are not exactly the same. Nothing between two cultures is EVER exactly the same and to assume that they would ever be in any situation fails to look and appreciated the complexity of different cultural realities.
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Erica is NOT the exception! Most black people that I have encountered in my life are exactly like Erica. The exceptions come from the examples you use to make false generalizations.
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Erica is NOT the exception! Most black people that I have encountered in my life are exactly like Erica. The exceptions come from the examples you use to make false generalizations.
If that was the case, then majority black neighbourhoods would be fit to live in. But they AINT. They're HELLHOLES because ones like ERICA are a MINORITY.
Ze'ev, please find those stats.
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Newman, I'm not the only exception in America. There are many blacks like me. The only ones you see, sadly, are the ones on the news or in the chronicles you read in the morning. You've never gotten out among black people to see what the truth is. You love assuming because its like a game to you. You seek to get rid of the black race in schools, but think of yourself as the 'exception' to white people everywhere because you're supposedly "level-headed" and "above reproach" but you're just another drop-out. No better than ANYONE who drops out of high school because they're bored. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! You apparently think you were brought into this world knowing what's on the minds of everyone you pass or pass judgment on, when you don't know ANYTHING for sure (but what you read in statistics). I wonder if statistics are done to compare idiot-racists to level-headed, tolerant people. Hmmmm....
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No issue is ever 100% exactly the same for two groups of people, EVER! There are always going to be cultural differences in every single aspect of life, no matter what. I guess next you're going to tell me that the reason for murder with whites and blacks is EXACTLY the same, or the reason for gang activity between whites and blacks is exactly the same. There are very different issues concerning why whites and blacks drop out of school. One is the anti-intellectual nature of many African Americans who think that it is "acting white" to do well in school. You don't find this phenomenon among white people. You cannot deny cultural realities and cultural histories that have shaped the way people are today. If the issues are exactly the same across the board, why do we find disparities in white and black drop-out rates? Obviously the issues are not exactly the same. Nothing between two cultures is EVER exactly the same and to assume that they would ever be in any situation fails to look and appreciated the complexity of different cultural realities.
We're talking two different issues here. One is the disparity between the number of blacks who drop out versus the number of whites who do the same. There is no disagreement there. But what you're doing here is taking something where two different people behave the same and presuming that the root cause is different and then stating that the disparity between white and black drop-out rates somehow proves that there are different cultural reasons why both a black and white person would drop out of school. That's really confusing the issue.
The Boston Red Sox have won the most games this year so far while the Tampa Bay Rays have won the least number of games. So when the Rays win their games, does that mean that there are different causal factors from when the Red Sox win their games?
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Newman, I'm not the only exception in America. There are many blacks like me. The only ones you see, sadly, are the ones on the news or in the chronicles you read in the morning. You've never gotten out among black people to see what the truth is. You love assuming because its like a game to you. You seek to get rid of the black race in schools, but think of yourself as the 'exception' to white people everywhere because you're supposedly "level-headed" and "above reproach" but you're just another drop-out. No better than ANYONE who drops out of high school because they're bored. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! You apparently think you were brought into this world knowing what's on the minds of everyone you pass or pass judgment on, when you don't know ANYTHING for sure (but what you read in statistics). I wonder if statistics are done to compare idiot-racists to level-headed, tolerant people. Hmmmm....
Thanks Erica. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Blacks like you don't make the news (except for on here perhaps :) ). But those that make the news are the exceptions. But Newman and people like him like to believe that what they see on the news makes up the majority of a people. It's complete BS. You are the rule and certainly not the exception.
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Hmmmm....
Who be typin' in ebonics now?
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Newman, I'm not the only exception in America. There are many blacks like me. The only ones you see, sadly, are the ones on the news or in the chronicles you read in the morning. You've never gotten out among black people to see what the truth is. You love assuming because its like a game to you. You seek to get rid of the black race in schools, but think of yourself as the 'exception' to white people everywhere because you're supposedly "level-headed" and "above reproach" but you're just another drop-out. No better than ANYONE who drops out of high school because they're bored. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! You apparently think you were brought into this world knowing what's on the minds of everyone you pass or pass judgment on, when you don't know ANYTHING for sure (but what you read in statistics). I wonder if statistics are done to compare idiot-racists to level-headed, tolerant people. Hmmmm....
Thanks Erica. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Blacks like you don't make the news (except for on here perhaps :) ). But those that make the news are the exceptions. But Newman and people like him like to believe that what they see on the news makes up the majority of a people. It's complete BS. You are the rule and certainly not the exception.
lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
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I would say it's very level headed to look at reality backed up with mountains of evidence and then drawing conclusions based on that. What is Newman or I saying that is so racist that has no basis in reality? You're taking both of our statements and wildly taking them out of proportion like Newman and I are saying that every black person is this way or that way. When newman talks about ghettos with majority blacks, he correctly calls them hell-holes and correctly points out that they are infested with criminals. Why is this a racist thing to say? Why is it level headed to deny reality?
When we say that blacks are a criminal society, we don't need to show that 100% of blacks are criminals, we just need to show that there is a severe criminal problem that is more pronounced among blacks than anyone else. If that is 30% of the population, 40% of the population, so be it, the exact numbers are inconsequential.
When we say that blacks are a society that produces illegitimate children, we don't need to show that 100% of blacks do this, again, we just need to show that it is a problem among blacks more than it is among anyone else, and that it is a particularly black problem, which it is. The severity of these things are unique to black communities, so it is fair game to point them out in generalized fashions.
It's just that whenever you see one of these broad and vague statements, you instantly go into black reactionary mode, immediately believing that we mean every single black person. Your common defense of how you are different than what we say is an example of this.
Whenever there is a feature of the black community that is 1) disproportionate to blacks 2) recognized as a "black problem" 3) that's pervasiveness is unique to the black community, I'm going to recognize that as a component of the black community. Of course it doesn't have to even be a problem with the majority of people.
When we point out anti-Semitism among Polish people for example, we don't need to prove that every single Polish person is an anti-Semite, we just need to point to the uniqueness of the problem to Poland, the pervasiveness of the problem, and the degree of the problem.
These are the modes that these sort of things are discussed in and indeed when speaking of general habits of cultures and religions, this sort of thinking is commonly used all the time. Why should it not be used in reference to blacks?
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Newman, I'm not the only exception in America. There are many blacks like me. The only ones you see, sadly, are the ones on the news or in the chronicles you read in the morning. You've never gotten out among black people to see what the truth is. You love assuming because its like a game to you. You seek to get rid of the black race in schools, but think of yourself as the 'exception' to white people everywhere because you're supposedly "level-headed" and "above reproach" but you're just another drop-out. No better than ANYONE who drops out of high school because they're bored. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! You apparently think you were brought into this world knowing what's on the minds of everyone you pass or pass judgment on, when you don't know ANYTHING for sure (but what you read in statistics). I wonder if statistics are done to compare idiot-racists to level-headed, tolerant people. Hmmmm....
Thanks Erica. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Blacks like you don't make the news (except for on here perhaps :) ). But those that make the news are the exceptions. But Newman and people like him like to believe that what they see on the news makes up the majority of a people. It's complete BS. You are the rule and certainly not the exception.
lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
See here's an example of what I'm saying, this statement of yours shows how you believe we are looking at this issue. We don't say that the action of one person constitutes the action of an entire people. This is the frame of thinking that you use in your example. THe fact that you actually believe that we think that way is sort of ridiculous, I'm actually surprised at it. Let me make our position clearer, obviously you're making an example of us that is grossly exaggerated. We think that when we find many many many many examples of something, which is backed up with empirical evidence, we can legitimately claim that as an issue which has a pervasiveness that is unique in severity and degree to that community. This is how the entire world thinks of ideas and concepts and it is not a new concept to me and newman by any means.
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lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
You'd have to look at statistics, too.
They'd tell you that person was in a tiny minority.
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lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
You'd have to look at statistics, too.
They'd tell you that person was in a tiny minority.
See this would be taking an observation and applying it to an entire people while what newman and I are doing is taking many observations, and backing that up with empirical evidence, and then making generalized claims on that. Surely you can see the difference.
If you can't, there's not much more we can do to help you.
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What "majority" are you talking about? Where do you get your intelligence from other than your own head? You think that using examples of blacks hanging out on the street in Bed Sty and Harlem proves a majority of blacks behave this way. But when Erica demonstrates that she's not this way and that she's actually smart, then you claim that you can't generalize from just this one person. C'mon Newman, you can't have it both ways now. Be consistent.
Statistics:
70% of blacks born out of wedlock.
69% of all crime comitted by blacks (only 14% overall population)
Ze'ev might have the stats on what % of blacks have records (it's eally high).
Erica is an exception, as I've said repeatedly.
There's NO inconsistancy.
Newman, I'm not the only exception in America. There are many blacks like me. The only ones you see, sadly, are the ones on the news or in the chronicles you read in the morning. You've never gotten out among black people to see what the truth is. You love assuming because its like a game to you. You seek to get rid of the black race in schools, but think of yourself as the 'exception' to white people everywhere because you're supposedly "level-headed" and "above reproach" but you're just another drop-out. No better than ANYONE who drops out of high school because they're bored. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! You apparently think you were brought into this world knowing what's on the minds of everyone you pass or pass judgment on, when you don't know ANYTHING for sure (but what you read in statistics). I wonder if statistics are done to compare idiot-racists to level-headed, tolerant people. Hmmmm....
Thanks Erica. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Blacks like you don't make the news (except for on here perhaps :) ). But those that make the news are the exceptions. But Newman and people like him like to believe that what they see on the news makes up the majority of a people. It's complete BS. You are the rule and certainly not the exception.
lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
See here's an example of what I'm saying, this statement of yours shows how you believe we are looking at this issue. We don't say that the action of one person constitutes the action of an entire people. This is the frame of thinking that you use in your example. THe fact that you actually believe that we think that way is sort of ridiculous, I'm actually surprised at it. Let me make our position clearer, obviously you're making an example of us that is grossly exaggerated. We think that when we find many many many many examples of something, which is backed up with empirical evidence, we can legitimately claim that as an issue which has a pervasiveness that is unique in severity and degree to that community. This is how the entire world thinks of ideas and concepts and it is not a new concept to me and newman by any means.
Ze'ev, let me explain something to you that you probably missed...
Blacks should be taken out of public schools... NEWMAN
Blacks should not be seen at hospitals.... NEWMAN
How is that NOT a generalization?
I KNOW, coming from where I'm from, that there is a problem in the black community. I KNOW this. I ABHORE the fact that its prevelent. But everytime I make a good suggestion on how to help out, I get bashed and get told that "MY PEOPLE" will never amount to anything. That MY PEOPLE are lazy. You don't really want to hear anyone talk about positive change in the black community. Both of you (and others) just want to revel in the fact that there are problems. I think that sucks, and if I thought the same way about Israel, I'd be booted out of here SO fast because I'd be standing in the way of progress. So check what you write before you click "Post" because what I'm reading are posts full of generalizations and no solutions. No REAL ones anyway.
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lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
You'd have to look at statistics, too.
They'd tell you that person was in a tiny minority.
See this would be taking an observation and applying it to an entire people while what newman and I are doing is taking many observations, and backing that up with empirical evidence, and then making generalized claims on that. Surely you can see the difference.
If you can't, there's not much more we can do to help you.
Ze'ev,
The arguments of liberals have NEVER been based on reason or empirical evidence.
Their arguments are based on hysterical emotion based on false guilt and a pathological need to create victims.
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lol In that case, here in California, I could *assume* that everytime I saw a white person doing something bad in the news, represents the entire faction of white people in America. lol I'm glad I'm not as fickle as Newman is.
You'd have to look at statistics, too.
They'd tell you that person was in a tiny minority.
See this would be taking an observation and applying it to an entire people while what newman and I are doing is taking many observations, and backing that up with empirical evidence, and then making generalized claims on that. Surely you can see the difference.
If you can't, there's not much more we can do to help you.
Ze'ev,
The arguments of liberals have NEVER been based on reason or empirical evidence.
Their arguments are based on hysterical emotion based on false guilt and a pathological need to create victims.
And just where do you get your empircal evidence from?
It seems to me that you're the one basing your arguments on hysterical emotions with no empirical evidence in order to create villians.
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Erica, I would love for there to be solutions, but frankly it's not my job to come up with solutions for other people. You are right in the fact that we like to revel in the problems of other people, I think that's human nature though. But that does not mean that these problems are not real. I think the fact that I will be paying taxes to fund the misguided government's "solutions" to black people's problems and the fact that I don't raise hell with the University admissions council about affirmative action is enough. The fact that I am willing to pay taxes to fund a crack addict's welfare payments due to her "baby's daddy" leaving her after she got pregnant, and that I'm not marching up to Capitol Hill to raise hell about it is already TOO MUCH to ask of me. What else should I do, quit school and donate my time to the southern poverty law center?
I'm not a think tank on helping blacks but I do have many ideas on how to do this.
Trust me when I say this. If there was no poverty, no violence, no gun crimes, no murders, no rapes, no robberies, no affirmative action, blacks spoke properly, didn't act like crazed beasts, had good morality, behaved like civilized people, I would be one VERY happy man.
But can you blame me for being cynical about it?
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And just where do you get your empircal evidence from?
It seems to me that you're the one basing your arguments on hysterical emotions with no empirical evidence in order to create villians.
They usually come from academics, the media and government departments.....all of which are run by liberals.
So before you claim the stats are wrong, consider that they are probably fiddled in favour of minorities as they are. So if anything, the picture for negroes is probably WORSE.
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Erica, I would love for there to be solutions, but frankly it's not my job to come up with solutions for other people. You are right in the fact that we like to revel in the problems of other people, I think that's human nature though. But that does not mean that these problems are not real. I think the fact that I will be paying taxes to fund the misguided government's "solutions" to black people's problems and the fact that I don't raise hell with the University admissions council about affirmative action is enough. The fact that I am willing to pay taxes to fund a crack addict's welfare payments due to her "baby's daddy" leaving her after she got pregnant, and that I'm not marching up to Capitol Hill to raise hell about it is already TOO MUCH to ask of me. What else should I do, quit school and donate my time to the southern poverty law center?
I'm not a think tank on helping blacks but I do have many ideas on how to do this.
Trust me when I say this. If there was no poverty, no violence, no gun crimes, no murders, no rapes, no robberies, no affirmative action, blacks spoke properly, didn't act like crazed beasts, had good morality, behaved like civilized people, I would be one VERY happy man.
But can you blame me for being cynical about it?
Yes, I can because what you COULD think about besides other people's problems is how to make YOUR life better. My life is already great but I want to contribute more to my community so I'm going to school to become an educator. I believe that's MY calling. It dosen't have to be yours. But at the same time, I don't expect anyone to look at me, blaming me (since they can't see the rest of the black community) for their problems. I didn't take anything from you.
"...blacks spoke properly"... (talk to your buddy, Newman about that one...)
As for the rest on your list of 'black crimes' I can't do anything about the adults, like I said once before...but I can help the children. You don't want to see good happen, turn away like the rest of the system does when blacks are doing something great.
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
Giving to the supposed needy should be VOLLUNTARY, not mandated by the government.
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
Giving to the supposed needy should be VOLLUNTARY, not mandated by the government.
Speak out against it if you don't like it. This is a free country. Freedom of speech is still noticed here.
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
Giving to the supposed needy should be VOLLUNTARY, not mandated by the government.
Speak out against it if you don't like it. This is a free country. Freedom of speech is still noticed here.
Well thanks for letting us know about that option. In reality, it's a non-option because Ze'ev Jabotinsky and newman aren't going to be able to reverse our respective governments' welfare policies, we're not speaking about this in a practical sense, we're talking about it in a sense of justice and morality.
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So it dosen't pay to even talk to a white person because always in the backs of their minds they're probably thinking...wow, I bet they didn't finish high school. My odds aren't the same as anyone's odds, but I will say this, maybe to give your post some validity, I thought about dropping out because of my family situation. Luckily I had councellors in school and teachers who cared about where I'd end up. I had a lot of outside help in deciding against becoming a statistic.
What was your situation and how did your school help you?
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Democracy should have NOTHING to do with matters of morallity.
It is IMMORAL to take from one man and give to another. Whether 51% of people think it should be so is irrelevant.
If 51% of people think Jews should convert to christianity, the government still has NO right to do it.
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So it dosen't pay to even talk to a white person because always in the backs of their minds they're probably thinking...wow, I bet they didn't finish high school. My odds aren't the same as anyone's odds, but I will say this, maybe to give your post some validity, I thought about dropping out because of my family situation. Luckily I had councellors in school and teachers who cared about where I'd end up. I had a lot of outside help in deciding against becoming a statistic.
What was your situation and how did your school help you?
My situation has been talked about a lot here. My mom was abused by her ex boyfriend. My brother, sister and I were also. Because I was the oldest, whenever he was angry, he'd pick me to beat on, after he was done with my mom. He usually hit me because I tried to defend my mom. He also use to kick us out a lot so we never knew whether we were going to be gone or not. But he mostly hit me because I was a developing female. Well going through all of that made my life hell, inside the 'home' and outside at school. I was distant at school. I was also failing miserably because my thoughts were never at school and on my studies. I was always worried about what he'd make up as an excuse to beat us.
One day, I made up in my mind that I would just drop out of school, convinced that no one loved or cared if I lived or died. With that thought in my head, I went to my councellor and told her how I was feeling. She told me that she was sorry that I was going through what I was going through at home but that I should reconsider dropping out of school because there was more ahead for me than what I was going through. More positive things. She also informed me that once I finished high school, I'd be free to go to a college far away from my situation. So I hung on for one more year (as I was a Junior when I thought about dropping out), and psyched myself out when I went to school. School became my second home because the people were different, the teachers were caring, and I got to be me. My opinions mattered and it reflected in my schoolwork. I graduated with one more credit than I needed and was accepted to a city college where I'm from. I dropped out...because I couldn't afford to attend but I worked for two years, got married, had kids and 13 1/2 years later, I'm happier than I'd ever been as an abused child.
My counellors at school helped me by listening to me and not judging my situation. It also helped to have my best friend since 7th grade by my side encouraging me also...as she was in the same predicament not too many years before I was. Now she's a 5th grade teacher in our home town. And I'm in school at present, recieving my A.S. in Interdisciplinary Education-Paraprofessional. (Big word for Teacher's Aide)
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
Don't you always pay taxes Erica? In what country do you live? What do you get back when you file your taxes?
After all, I get it back when I file my taxes. How idiotic is that?
Are all social programs good ones? Then why are many elderly people leaving much needed medication in the pharmacy because of the expense?
Could it be because we need to pay people to go to school?
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We're not against helping them (just leave us out of it). We're for speaking honestly about reality.
If you don't want to have anything to do with lending any financial support to welfare, or other services, let your political leaders know. I can't erase that for you, especially since I'm a tax payer also. When I work, I have to pay for just as many social services as you do. The difference is that I don't care anymore because the services exist for a reason. I'm happy my money's going to help someone. After all, I get it back when I file my taxes.
Don't you always pay taxes Erica? In what country do you live? What do you get back when you file your taxes?
After all, I get it back when I file my taxes. How idiotic is that?
Are all social programs good ones? Then why are many elderly people leaving much needed medication in the pharmacy because of the expense?
Could it be because we need to pay people to go to school?
Yes. We always pay our taxes, but I look at the reward as getting it back when the times come. I dont' stress about who the money's going to anymore. I use to but its a waste of energy and time I could be spending doing something else. All social programs that are helping out the community, homelessness, schooling, or whatever is available is good. You'd have to talk to the person in charge of Medicare and Medicaid to get the answer to why our elderly can't afford medication. I think that system is messed up, completely. And NO I don't think the DIRECT reason that elderly people can't afford medication is because people are paid to go to school. Education is as important as medicating our elderly citizens.