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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guyNbluejeans on September 21, 2007, 11:23:33 AM
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All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.
And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!
It shall be called, New Israel!!!!
It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!
American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!
Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!
Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!
Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)
Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?
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Being in Israel is a religious issue, this might seem like heaven for a secular person and a secular state, but since G-d runs the world and he commaded the Jews to do certan things- they have to do them, even if wht you are saying would be supported internationally etc. it still would turn bad because G-d runs the world and doesnt want these things to happen.
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The first Zionists tried to establish Jewish state in Uganda, and Stalin created "Jewish Socialist Autonomic Republic" in Syberia; but the Jews can only flourish in the land G-d gave them as sign of eaternal convenant between HIM and father of Jews and all faithfull Abraham. It's a grave sin for all Israelites acording to Torah or Tanach as us christians say to give up or sell any portion of Eretz Israel to anybody; Becouse this land belongs exlusivly to G-d. And Israel is not primaly couse of ME violence; the Jews were massacred there long before 1948; like in Hebron Massacre in 1929.
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Friend, being a gentile, I suppose I'm in no position to tell you what God wants for Jewish folks. But at the same time, in view of all the mayhem that's been going on over there since Israel was created, I can't help but wonder if God wouldn't mind if people use their God-given common sense and consider something else.
Fresh air, clean water and peace ... versus having to deal with those mean Arabs? Hmm it seems like such a no-brainer to me.
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Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.
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Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.
Look at the position this leaves us in? Is the author of the Torah around to ask a few questions of? :(
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Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.
Look at the position this leaves us in? Is the author of the Torah around to ask a few questions of? :(
The existance of Jewish nation throu 2000 years of exile in diaspora in proof thata G-d exists. No other nations manged to return to their land from all of the wolrd and regain its language and culture exept Jews; The few milions of them is defending the land against assoult of 300 milions A-rabs and bilion of muslims for 60 years; that decond proof; and finaly no nation woud survive despite having so self hating dumb and naive leaders that third and final proof. And atheism can get you banned here.
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(Jacky Mason voice)
Oy! Alaska? Waddah-we look like? Eskimos? :D
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Hey, I'm 49 and I have heard of many other battles outside of the Middle East. The pattern though is that they are or were mostly, if not all, the result of islam or communism. Of course the ME is from islam but it did not stop there, remember a little place known as the Balkans, North Africa, etc. It is not war, yet, but look at Europe today, coming to a USA town near you. It does not matter where Israel is, or any infidels for that matter, muslims will never cease in working towards it's destruction. Also, even though Israel is a strong ally I do not think the US should be giving away any of it's land to anyone, especially a land like Alaska that is going to be of extremely significant strategic importance in the very near future.
Also, though I am also a gentile, I do understand that there are religious reasons for the state of Israel being where it is.
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I'm glad that no one has bitten my head off for suggesting what I suggested, but still, it just makes no sense (save for the religious obligations) as to why no one in here wouldn't jump at such an offer. It's like someone offering to trade you a brand new luxury car for a smashed up Pinto. Cooome on!
God forbid, but what if one morning you turn on your TV and see some ashen-face newscaster sobbing and saying through his tears that "Israel is no more" (as a mushroom cloud on the screen behind him roars with fire)?
In all these holy books is there any mention anywhere as to how one's thought processes should deal with practical problems?
Alaska; beautiful, beautiful Alaska......
Anyway, no disrespect intended. I guess fate is to have a role in this strange world, too, I don't know.
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Imagine for some people the religion is more important than new cars and other shining bubles; and coincedently it will be (so I hope) the mayority of users here; rember Israelites has no real claim to the land of Israel outside Torah; and this is religius (ortodox jewish) not materialists forum; so don't be satan and don't tempt us. Thank you.
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Imagine for some people the religion is more important than new cars and other shining bubles; and coincedently it will be (so I hope) the mayority of users here; rember Israelites has no real claim to the land of Israel outside Torah; and this is religius (ortodox jewish) not materialists forum; so don't be satan and don't tempt us. Thank you.
Okay.
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Israel is our home, promised us by Hashem, we will not give it up. Consider we went there when the land was only swamps and deserts and filled with Arab colonists. Do you really think we are going to give up our homeland? The very suggestion disgusts me >:(
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Israel is our home, promised us by Hashem, we will not give it up. Consider we went there when the land was only swamps and deserts and filled with Arab colonists. Do you really think we are going to give up our homeland? The very suggestion disgusts me >:(
Agreed.
Your idea is ridiculous because the Muslim Arabs will not be content with having Israel as their own country. Their goal is world domination. The suicide bombings will only come to America. You don't satiate the lusts of Nazi terrorists -- you kill them.
Your idea is also sickening personally. There is only one Israel! And it flourishes despite being surrounded by hostile Arabs.
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Just for fun, lets imagine for a second that a Jewish state was set up in Alaska or maybe Florida (wouldn't have to move many to Florida, they're built in lol ;) ). Fact of the matter is, there'd be arab terrorist attacks against any Jewish state located anywhere in the world, the very fact of the existence of a Jewish state is intolerable to the arabs. Know why? Because deep down inside, the muslims know that their religion is a sham, they know Islam and their Koran is nothing but an illegitimate bastardized plagiary of Jusaism and Christianity, and Judaism's irrefutable legitimacy reminds them of it more than any other.
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GuyNbluejeans: "...Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?..."
You'd best make your "offer" to the Wetbacks currently stealing your nation, or at the very least make the offer to the dark skinned, recently freed "brothers" of another color.
We Jews only want what is OURS.
We'll vaporize the entire Middle East and everyone in it who dares to take our sacred homeland away from us again.
It is written in Scripture that the Jew is viewed by the rest of the world as having a G-d only when living as a nation in Eretz Yisrael.
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Re: "...In all these holy books is there any mention anywhere as to how one's thought processes should deal with practical problems?..."
Yeah!
One day a Philistine descendant of the races of Giants which inhabited ancient Canaan showed up on the border of the Jews, and threatened to annihilate each and all, daring any Jew to come "take him on, if they so dare".
This went on for weeks.
Then David, a shepherd boy, came upon the scene, decided that the Jews had a "practical problem".
Relying only upon the G-d of the Jews for courage and bravery, and to the horror of all the grown men who were terrified by the Philistine barbarians, the little boy walked up to the gigantic drek, told him that it was now "Jewish High Noon", challenged him to a duel to decide the fate of Israel, and while the disgusting Philistine roared with laughter, the little Jew boy slung one smooth river rock with his slingshot, hitting Goliath between the eyes.
The giant crashed down to the ground, David rushed up, grabbed Goliath's gigantic and heavy sword, cut off his head and held it aloft.
The Philistines fled in terror.
We consider such behavior as "Jewish Pragmatism".
p.s.--almost forgot...Young shepherd David was annointed by a true Judge of Israel to become King. As King, he kept Goliath's spear and armor as a "souvenier" of his victory. Moshiach will come and reinstitute the Davidic Kingship of The World To Come.
p.s.s.-- I read this story over and over and over, but nowhere in it did the young shepherd boy David offer to negotiate "Land for Peace" with either Goliath, or the Philistine army. I like the "Jewish ending" better than I do "your mental processes for resolving practical issues".
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Keeping an open mind and answering this question one may think that it is a good idea as was considered by the Japanese to plant a Jewish "Nation" in what is now part of China. This in all reality will not work. The problem essentially IS a religious one. Islam demands ALL the World under Sharia Law or an Islamic World: Dar al Islam. The Hadith, moreso than the Qur'an specifies the killing of Pagans (Hindus), Jews and Christians.
Taking the Bible, both Christian, Jewish and for a laughable sake the Qur'an/Hadith as solely "Historical" knowledge. None mention a "P-lestinian People", "West Bank" so this suggests it is more than just a religious issue but a political issue as well. The Torah states Jerusalem over 800 times while again does the New Testament, not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an nor is "P-lestine". Again placing this immense political fraud into perspective when one answers why the twisting of fact to politically driven fantasy the answer is simple: Socialism: Humanism: Communism: Fascism: Globalism. All are G-dless Leftwing ineptitudes that replace G-d with man/state.
Therefore one can truly notice an immense agenda to disassociate the Judean (Jew) who believes in the Moral Laws of Judaism which are the from Judea BUT to associate Arabian/Muslims: so-called "P-alestinians" to the "West Bank".
As a historical document the Torah lays out the borders of a Jewish State: Israel very clearly in Genesis written between 3-4k years ago. To give you a bit of knowledge to further this sham, the first documented usage of "The Lebanon: Lebanon" IS the book of Genesis for the Northern area/border of Eretz Yisrael. The "Lebanese" are just as much of a laughable creation as are the "P-lestinians", "Kuwaitis", "Jordanians" or Iraqis....
I agree with MassuhD on this. The problem is that this "war" could be ended in a matter of days if Israel and America had the stones to identify the criminals and PUNNISH them. (Communism and Islam...)imo
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How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?
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How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?
No way. I want to move there someday.
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How about Toronto or Windsor.... We have so many of them here now that the result of our upencoming elections will be the renaming of Canada, for purposes of embracing diversity, tolerance and open mindedness to Canadakstan.... ??? Just fly into Toronto Lester B. Pearson International Airport and you'll think you've just landed in Khartoum.
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I wouldn't put your idea down for a second. You're a thinking man. However, its actually easier to force the arabs out of Israel, than it is to move 6 miilion Jews across the world to Alaska, to start over. It's just not going to happen. Much more feasible to force the Arabs out of Israel. And it could be done within a very short amount of time with the right leadership in place in Israel.
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If we Jews moved to Alaska and set up a new state that would be Imperialism, and we would be colonizing someone else's land, it would be a completely irrational project that would inevitably fail.
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My two cent's again; Kahene loyalist is right; the left woud start call Jews imperialists and colonisers in no time agian; and this time with some merit; Alaska is already settled and not all its citisens will agree to move away or live under foreghn yoke. The Jews don't want even all lands of the promised "Eretz Israel" at once; Israel expanded only thanks to A-rab invasions and agression wars. They only want tiny piece land they're ordered to live by G-d.
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If we Jews moved to Alaska and set up a new state that would be Imperialism, and we would be colonizing someone else's land, it would be a completely irrational project that would inevitably fail.
Yes you are right. I'd agree. As a matter of fact. No matter how many bombings, rocketings, murders, rapes etc. that happen in Eretz Yisrael by the ancient Bolistinians one NEVER hears from any Western Media "Innocent Israelis", "Innocent Jews" or "Innocent "settlers"".... Sad... simply sad. In all actuality, the World validates the concept of "Chosen People" with its continual focus and influencing on Israel and no other place on Earth that has far worse "Humanitarian" shamefulisms...
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Just for fun, lets imagine for a second that a Jewish state was set up in Alaska or maybe Florida (wouldn't have to move many to Florida, they're built in lol ;) ). Fact of the matter is, there'd be arab terrorist attacks against any Jewish state located anywhere in the world, the very fact of the existence of a Jewish state is intolerable to the arabs. Know why? Because deep down inside, the muslims know that their religion is a sham, they know Islam and their Koran is nothing but an illegitimate bastardized plagiary of Jusaism and Christianity, and Judaism's irrefutable legitimacy reminds them of it more than any other.
Sorry, I don't buy this. There'd be little concern that Muslims would hop on planes to fly all the way to Alaska just so they can kill Jews. And if they did start playing that game, there'd be no doubt that the New Israel would carpet bomb them with nukes, as no Jews would be in harms way if they did.
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This is a reason
Tora 2000 years old in Israel
(http://forum.bgdcafe.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=60669)
located in the wall above david's tomb if i am not mistaking ;)
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How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?
That sounds okay except the Arabs are spread out all over the place and in many different countries.
Hmmm I still like my idea ... but I wreckon too many Jews don't.
Let's hope things will eventually work out. Maybe someone can write up a new peace plan, I don't know. :)
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A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam... imo. PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)
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A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam... imo. PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)
I need to back away from this topic soon, as my knowledge isn't enough to lend much value to all the gazillions of facts and issues involved with the subject. I'm best at relating to things in their principals, otherwise I feel like I'm sinking in a muck field. ;D
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A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam... imo. PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)
5 milions on their way; just 300 milions more to go. ::)
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All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.
And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!
It shall be called, New Israel!!!!
It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!
American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!
Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!
Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!
Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)
Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?
In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.
Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.
If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.
However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.
You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.
If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.
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Here's a better idea: execute your plan...except switch the Israelis with the "Palestinians"
Makes more sense to move less people, no? ::)
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Here's a better idea: execute your plan...except switch the Israelis with the "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis"
Makes more sense to move less people, no? ::)
No way, I don't want to see Alaska ruined!!!
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All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.
And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!
It shall be called, New Israel!!!!
It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!
American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!
Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!
Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!
Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)
Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?
In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.
Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.
If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.
However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.
You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.
If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.
lubab -- Thanks for the thought-provoking questions and comments!
I am a simpleton. But let's see where this goes ... :)
Why are we hear, you ask? I'm not sure if you mean people in general or Jews in particular. But I'll just say from my own point of view with respect to the human race in general, we can do nothing except speculate. (Of course it wouldn't hurt to pray and fast if one is VERY serious about the matter.)
My speculation within the context of human beings as a whole is that we're to learn and grow as spiritual beings. Through pain, joy and suffering, we learn more about ourselves every day (or we should), as well as learn about God along the way.
Life is a great mystery, to say the least. We're here for a short time and then we're gone into the next world. I happen to be a person that has memories of where I was before I came into this world, though those memories are not much at all in the quanity department (but are not vague either). So I have that to think about as well as a lot of other things that maybe most people don't need to concern themselves with.
Okay, to get back on track ... Do you really believe that for people to strive to be "safe and comfortable" is such a bad thing and that it's boring? Every day in some way or another I try to be safe and comfortable. I like it way better than the alternative.
I wonder how you'd feel if you were to actually go to Alaska with the understanding that you're charged with the responsibility of giving the place a good look over (along with people to assist you) so as to consider the fesability of such a plan. You know, like if the political (and dare I say religious?) powers that be gave you cart blanc and then have you gather up all your information and present it to the Israeli kanesent/praliment to hear your recommendations. I bet you'd get up there and say, "Woah! This place has some potential!"
And I would wonder if God -- whom I assume enjoys saftey and comfort -- would hold it against you if you were to advise your fellow Israelis (in this scenario) that Alaska is a deal worth taking?
Do you think that God would be unhappy if you were to use the intellect He gave you to say, "You know, the killing and hate has been going on long enough; let's use our minds and bodies to secure a promising future for our children and their children in Alaska"?
It's true that to have a game of basketball in the manner you described would be boring. However, to have a vast and gorgeous slice of magnificent Alaska to do with as you please, could make one forget about the foolishness of people dying needlessly ... as there could be fewer challenges more daunting than to bring forth New Israel out of the most beautiful and rugged land God ever created. If you're into challenges then my guess would be that such a goal would tax all the wonderful talent and brain power of the Jewish people in a way and to a degree like never before!
My feeling is that for the sake of your children radical ideas need to be considered. And in my book New Israel is worth thinking about.
******My dinner is getting cold, sorry for not cleaning this up a bit. ;)
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Jews are not permitted to have a nation or nations outside of the holy land. Israel is our land, it currently has an arab/muslim cockroach infestation that will be fixed with a Kahanist government.
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Jews are not permitted to have a nation or nations outside of the holy land. Israel is our land, it currently has an arab/muslim cockroach infestation that will be fixed with a Kahanist government.
And what about Khazaria? was it Jewish or judaist state?
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The simple fact of history dictates that Jews should be in the Holy Land as the Bible, as a purely historical document, states. The reason for this is that over the past 2000 years, EVERY nation that had a Jewish Community persecuted it, pogrommed it or on the basis of purely anti-semitic fantasy stories, like the blood libel, made their lives very uncomfortable. Even today in every nation (sadly including Israel because of its Anti-Jew leaders) a Kippa wearing Jew is a target.
Everyone on Earth, in my opinion, knows deep within that all the land there in Bolistine belongs to the Jews, historically and factually but with such ignorance and hatred for Jews and Judaism (not to mention the socio-political agendas which have a goal to eliminate G-d, religion and even Jews) contually blame the Jew.
Just ask yourself why in all the mainstream media, Marxist educational system, defunct NWO/Globalist political arena there is such an agenda to disassociate the Jew from Judea but the Arabians with Bolistine or Bolistinians with the West Bank? It is laughable and not to mention ahistorical.
Since the Arabs have 600 times the land of little Israel and 52 parasitic States to choose from would it not be easier and more logical for these million of Gazans, West Bankions and "Arab Israelis" to be "transfered" to the sparcely populated Arabia, Syria, Libya, Algeria? I mean, aside from the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (both not really "ancient" sites) are the only two pieces "history" that they really have in the entirety of "Bolistine" when compared to the dozens and dozens of ancient archeological sites displaying Hebrew writing, synagogues, mikvas, fortresses of David, Herod, Solomon etc. The Arabs have nothing. Even the Jewish history as associated with the Greeks, Egptians and Romans is displayed in parts of the "Egyptian" Sinai, Israel, "Lebanon", southern "Syria" and "Jordan" but no Bolistinian and very little Arab. Even the Nebatean Petra is culturally alien to Islam and it Arab parasitic growth. I mean if one wishes to speak of expansionism think of the Arabic language alone. Arabic is foreign to Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan and even "Iraq".... Thanks to the global jihad of Islam since Mohammed's day, Arabic is now the second largest spoken language in Europe and as well 3rd in Canada.... In Halifax, where I'm from, Arabic is the second largest spoken language.... "Decline of the West"...
In my opinion, the "New Israel" should be well defined borders from the Mountains of Lebanon ALL of so-called P-lestine and the entire Sinai to the Suez Canal with ALL of the world's Jews "transfered". With Jewish Education, Jewish Courts, Jewish Government, social system based on Judaism and the concept of Charity instead of Socialism's tax and spend... That way the Jews, through the laws of Judaism can take care of these Erev Rav within and Amelek themselves.... Perhaps with a second look at history one might conclude that Judaism and the Jews were not all that bad...... ;)
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Khazaria a very good topic. Dunlap has a very good book about that far better than "The Thirteenth Tribe" by that parasite Arther Kostler....
You know something even more sad is that thanks to Stalin and his hatred for Jews he built a large dam which flooded the two or twin cities of the Khazars. Thanks to this all the archeological discoveries will either be distroyed or only accessed when the water is drained...
Good post... ;)
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Thanks, All, for your friendly and informative comments!!
It's all over my head because there's so much history and little details about this and that (though I'll probally go to my grave thinking that Alaska could be the key... :))
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The simple fact of history dictates that Jews should be in the Holy Land as the Bible, as a purely historical document, states. The reason for this is that over the past 2000 years, EVERY nation that had a Jewish Community persecuted it, pogrommed it or on the basis of purely anti-semitic fantasy stories, like the blood libel, made their lives very uncomfortable. Even today in every nation (sadly including Israel because of its Anti-Jew leaders) a Kippa wearing Jew is a target.
Everyone on Earth, in my opinion, knows deep within that all the land there in Bolistine belongs to the Jews, historically and factually but with such ignorance and hatred for Jews and Judaism (not to mention the socio-political agendas which have a goal to eliminate G-d, religion and even Jews) contually blame the Jew.
Just ask yourself why in all the mainstream media, Marxist educational system, defunct NWO/Globalist political arena there is such an agenda to disassociate the Jew from Judea but the Arabians with Bolistine or Bolistinians with the West Bank? It is laughable and not to mention ahistorical.
Since the Arabs have 600 times the land of little Israel and 52 parasitic States to choose from would it not be easier and more logical for these million of Gazans, West Bankions and "Arab Israelis" to be "transfered" to the sparcely populated Arabia, Syria, Libya, Algeria? I mean, aside from the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (both not really "ancient" sites) are the only two pieces "history" that they really have in the entirety of "Bolistine" when compared to the dozens and dozens of ancient archeological sites displaying Hebrew writing, synagogues, mikvas, fortresses of David, Herod, Solomon etc. The Arabs have nothing. Even the Jewish history as associated with the Greeks, Egptians and Romans is displayed in parts of the "Egyptian" Sinai, Israel, "Lebanon", southern "Syria" and "Jordan" but no Bolistinian and very little Arab. Even the Nebatean Petra is culturally alien to Islam and it Arab parasitic growth. I mean if one wishes to speak of expansionism think of the Arabic language alone. Arabic is foreign to Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan and even "Iraq".... Thanks to the global jihad of Islam since Mohammed's day, Arabic is now the second largest spoken language in Europe and as well 3rd in Canada.... In Halifax, where I'm from, Arabic is the second largest spoken language.... "Decline of the West"...
In my opinion, the "New Israel" should be well defined borders from the Mountains of Lebanon ALL of so-called P-lestine and the entire Sinai to the Suez Canal with ALL of the world's Jews "transfered". With Jewish Education, Jewish Courts, Jewish Government, social system based on Judaism and the concept of Charity instead of Socialism's tax and spend... That way the Jews, through the laws of Judaism can take care of these Erev Rav within and Amelek themselves.... Perhaps with a second look at history one might conclude that Judaism and the Jews were not all that bad...... ;)
Good post, the ME was truly islamic only since Mameluks campaign in XIII century, I woud add a so called fake Syria to Israel; since they'll never be with peace with Jews; As Rabbi Kahene said Balestine is more Italian than A-rab; you have to only vistit all these churches in Jerusalem; Betlehem or Nasareth. The Arabs didn't builded anything new in entire ME. And Jews have valid and eternal claim in Torah.
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All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.
And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!
It shall be called, New Israel!!!!
It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!
American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!
Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!
Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!
Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)
Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?
In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.
Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.
If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.
However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.
You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.
If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.
lubab -- Thanks for the thought-provoking questions and comments!
I am a simpleton. But let's see where this goes ... :)
Why are we hear, you ask? I'm not sure if you mean people in general or Jews in particular. But I'll just say from my own point of view with respect to the human race in general, we can do nothing except speculate. (Of course it wouldn't hurt to pray and fast if one is VERY serious about the matter.)
My speculation within the context of human beings as a whole is that we're to learn and grow as spiritual beings. Through pain, joy and suffering, we learn more about ourselves every day (or we should), as well as learn about G-d along the way.
Life is a great mystery, to say the least. We're here for a short time and then we're gone into the next world. I happen to be a person that has memories of where I was before I came into this world, though those memories are not much at all in the quanity department (but are not vague either). So I have that to think about as well as a lot of other things that maybe most people don't need to concern themselves with.
Okay, to get back on track ... Do you really believe that for people to strive to be "safe and comfortable" is such a bad thing and that it's boring? Every day in some way or another I try to be safe and comfortable. I like it way better than the alternative.
I wonder how you'd feel if you were to actually go to Alaska with the understanding that you're charged with the responsibility of giving the place a good look over (along with people to assist you) so as to consider the fesability of such a plan. You know, like if the political (and dare I say religious?) powers that be gave you cart blanc and then have you gather up all your information and present it to the Israeli kanesent/praliment to hear your recommendations. I bet you'd get up there and say, "Woah! This place has some potential!"
And I would wonder if G-d -- whom I assume enjoys saftey and comfort -- would hold it against you if you were to advise your fellow Israelis (in this scenario) that Alaska is a deal worth taking?
Do you think that G-d would be unhappy if you were to use the intellect He gave you to say, "You know, the killing and hate has been going on long enough; let's use our minds and bodies to secure a promising future for our children and their children in Alaska"?
It's true that to have a game of basketball in the manner you described would be boring. However, to have a vast and gorgeous slice of magnificent Alaska to do with as you please, could make one forget about the foolishness of people dying needlessly ... as there could be fewer challenges more daunting than to bring forth New Israel out of the most beautiful and rugged land G-d ever created. If you're into challenges then my guess would be that such a goal would tax all the wonderful talent and brain power of the Jewish people in a way and to a degree like never before!
My feeling is that for the sake of your children radical ideas need to be considered. And in my book New Israel is worth thinking about.
******My dinner is getting cold, sorry for not cleaning this up a bit. ;)
We don't need to speculate about what G-d wants from us and what kinds of challenges he wants us to overcome. He has already made this clear to us in the Torah. He has made it clear that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews. That is our destiny and it is worth fighting for. If the Jews running the government in Israel would only act in accordance the Torah we would not have the problems that so disturb you.
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But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't?
With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all!
THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between.
Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing.
I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people.
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But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't?
With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all!
THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between.
Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing.
I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people.
If you know anything about Arabs you'll know that you don't need to kill them all to solve this problem.
If you just threaten to kill them all (but I mean a threat that's real) the vast majority will be well behaved. They are generally cowardly when they don't think they can win.
Their terrorist ways are fueled by our weakness and lack of conviction. Our cowardice and constant statements to them that we don't really belong there basically beg them to attack and try to take over.
In your analogy, going to Alaska would be letting the cancer have a free reign to continue its world conquest elsewhere.
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But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't? Yes it is a specificity of Islam given by Dar al Islam vs. Dar al Harb which places Islam at perpetual war until the entire world is under Islam. This, in my opinion is very pertinant to the Jewish teachings of "If one comes to murder you; kill him first." Judaism, unlike Christianity, lays roots in legislation of "Eye for an eye." The concept of "Love they enemy" and "turn the other cheek" will only lead to deceit and conquest by the Islamists. One cannot love evilness or one coming to murder you solely because you do not believe in their contorted cult.
With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all! Very good. Agreed! Sadly with the billions of dollars spent on weaponry while none is used indicates moral decline. Add "Political Correctness" means national suicide as Israel is seeing today as too Europe and even Canada.
THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between. Rabbi Kahane used the same analagy of the Arabs 30 years ago. As hindsight is 20/20: he was right.
Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing. Yes, here in Canada as well and too in Europe. This indicates the most basic flaw of Socialist systems at work: the lack of capital punnishment. MOST of these savages would be introduced to old sparky or Smith and Wesson.....not permitted to infect the minds of the deprave with the cancer of Islam and making these people more evil.
I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people. Live and let live is a fabulous, yet near sighted philosphy like "Free Trade". Both concepts would be perfectly acceptable if people were truly of likeness: culture, religion, ethical morality, racial/ethnic etc. Perfectly good concept but truly at odds with "multiculturalism" for example... Unlike Marxist egalitarianism professes, not all peoples, faiths, cultures etc. are good and "equal". Some, like you stated so clearly, are right bloody rotten. This is really no reason for you not to have children but is more of an incentive for you to have children and raise them with far better values than that propagated as "enlightened". Most people who are religious Christians or Jews have very good families and contribute a nil crime statistic, in every area, not to mention are the largest contributers to charity and truly "humanitarian" projects. Good post here Guy
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Thanks for the compliment and interesting comments, MarZutra. :)
So what happens in the event -- God forbid! -- that the Islamos light-off some major bombs at a given moment killing many throughout the western world (and laugh and dance in the streets..), making 9/11 look like child's play by comparison ... thus pushing us over the edge so far that we *literally* kill ALL Muslims, good ones, too, how then might God judge us when we leave the world to face Him?
(Personally, I'd rather end my own life than to kill innocent people for the purpose of insuring my own safety and wellbeing, as who can be THAT in love with life?)
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Thanks for the compliment and interesting comments, MarZutra. You are most welcome. Fabulous topic to discuss logically and too morally.
So what happens in the event -- G-d forbid! -- that the Islamos light-off some major bombs at a given moment killing many throughout the western world (and laugh and dance in the streets..), making 9/11 look like child's play by comparison ... thus pushing us over the edge so far that we *literally* kill ALL Muslims, good ones, too, how then might G-d judge us when we leave the world to face Him? Well, in all honesty, based on the laws of the Torah, (not kings, popes or "religious" tyrants) to eliminate evilness in the world sanctifies G-d's name. This is part of the "eye for an eye" or "he who comes to murder you; kill him first!" or, go grab your Bible, and read Genesis 34. This will give you the Biblical response for the murders of our people, 911 and the event you lay out G-d forbid.
(Personally, I'd rather end my own life than to kill innocent people for the purpose of insuring my own safety and wellbeing, as who can be THAT in love with life?) Killing oneself is murder and a violation of the most sacred blessing G-d gives: Life. Thanks to "Political Correctness" and the total abandonment of a moral compass as seen today with the youths idolizing harlots, gangsters, criminal vermine and the absolute worst the gutter has to produce, one has trouble making a distinction between what is "innocence" and what is "guilt". Is there such a thing as an innocent Nazi? Nazism is VERY similar to Islam if you wish to get down to the specificities. So I can logically ask if one wilfully accepts the teachings of Islam (Nazism) as written within the Qur'an, Hadith (Mein Kempf) especially with its murderous Prophet Mohammed (Hitler) would they be "innocent"?
To keep you entertained for a while....Enjoy:
Dr. Robert Spencer's "The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Ke7nnedWM
Dr. Robert Spencer's "The Truth About Mohammed"
http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Allison-111406.wvx
Joan Peter's "From Time Immemorial: The Arab/Israeli Conflict over Bolistine" and "Turnspeak"
1. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-680.ram
2. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-681.ram
3. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1603.ram
4. http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1604.ram
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MarZutra -- Thanks, again....
I'll look at those links a bit later ... :)
I enjoyed our exchange even though, my friend, while we both want a lot of the same things ... we have a lot different ideas about getting to them. But like Larry King would often say, "That's what makes horse racing."
Take Care. ;)
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You are most welcome. Ol-stinky breath Lawrence Harvey Zeiger isn't a good example brother, he'd sell out his own mother to give an interview to Adolf Shickelgruber... ;)
Have you read the Qur'an or moreso the Hadith? If you have the opportunity pick up a copy printed prior to 1995 or one that is currently in use in most Mosques and not the ones you'd find at Chapters, Coles etc. As a matter of fact the Penguin mass market paperback, even though passing the editing/"political correcting" process still gives one the idea of what the world is dealing with and what it isn't...
Be well..
MZ
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You are most welcome. Ol-stinky breath Lawrence Harvey Zeiger isn't a good example brother, he'd sell out his own mother to give an interview to Adolf Shickelgruber... ;)
Have you read the Qur'an or moreso the Hadith? If you have the opportunity pick up a copy printed prior to 1995 or one that is currently in use in most Mosques and not the ones you'd find at Chapters, Coles etc. As a matter of fact the Penguin mass market paperback, even though passing the editing/"political correcting" process still gives one the idea of what the world is dealing with and what it isn't...
Be well..
MZ
I'm afraid I'm not much of a book reader these days (not that I ever really was), as I'm either working, sleeping or on the Internet. I do read news papers, however.
If you're a reader of books, I would recommend the book, "Michelle Remembers" (published by Pocket Books, 1980). It's a little hard to get because its been out of print for a while now, but Amazon should work if you give them a try.
It's a most disturbing book but will give you some insights into this world that you'd be hard pressed to find elsewhere.
Godspeed. :)
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Thank you for the title guy. I have added it to me "to read" list. I guess to answer the question you origionally posted through a book that will keep you glued to the pages was written by a Liberal Democrat and representative of the Middle East during the Carter Administration, of all places: Joan Peters "From Time Immemorial the Arab-Jewish Conflict over P-lestine". There is a video link above to an interview of the author about the book... :)
"Of all the bigotries that savage the human temper there is none as stupid as the anti-Semite. In the sight of these fanatics, Jews of to-day can do nothing right. If they are rich, they are birds of prey. If they are poor, they are vermin. If they are in favour of war, that is because they want to exploit the bloody feuds of Gentiles to their own profit. If they are anxious for peace, they are either instinctive cowards or traitors. If he lives in a strange land, he must be persecuted and pogrommed out of it. If he wants to go back to his own, he must be prevented."
– David Lloyd George, Former Prime Minister of Britain. 1929
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MarZuta -- Thank you sir. I'll check those links out for sure!
That quote you have of Daved Lyod George is powerful (and right on!)!