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Re: Please don't hate me for asking....
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2007, 01:17:59 PM »

Just for fun, lets imagine for a second that a Jewish state was set up in Alaska or maybe Florida (wouldn't have to move many to Florida, they're built in lol  ;) ). Fact of the matter is, there'd be arab terrorist attacks against any Jewish state located anywhere in the world, the very fact of the existence of a Jewish state is intolerable to the arabs. Know why? Because deep down inside, the muslims know that their religion is a sham, they know Islam and their Koran is nothing but an illegitimate bastardized plagiary of Jusaism and Christianity, and Judaism's irrefutable legitimacy reminds them of it more than any other.

Sorry, I don't buy this. There'd be little concern that Muslims would hop on planes to fly all the way to Alaska just so they can kill Jews. And if they did start playing that game, there'd be no doubt that the New Israel would carpet bomb them with nukes, as no Jews would be in harms way if they did.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2007, 01:25:31 PM »
This is a reason

Tora 2000 years old in Israel



located in the wall above david's tomb if i am not mistaking ;)
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2007, 01:28:24 PM »
How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?

That sounds okay except the Arabs are spread out all over the place and in many different countries.

Hmmm I still like my idea ... but I wreckon too many Jews don't.

Let's hope things will eventually work out. Maybe someone can write up a new peace plan, I don't know. :)

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2007, 01:50:34 PM »
A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam...  imo.  PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 02:03:55 PM »
A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam...  imo.  PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)

I need to back away from this topic soon, as my knowledge isn't enough to lend much value to all the gazillions of facts and issues involved with the subject. I'm best at relating to things in their principals, otherwise I feel like I'm sinking in a muck field. ;D

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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 03:43:54 PM »
A new peace plan would mean the end of Communism and its ideological Leftist cohorts and Islam...  imo.  PS: Just the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza could be relocated to Alaska no? ;)

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13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2007, 08:52:38 PM »
All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.

And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!

It shall be called, New Israel!!!!

It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!

American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!

Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!

Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!

Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)

Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?

In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.

Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.

If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.

However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.

You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.

If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.
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Re: Please don't hate me for asking....
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2007, 09:12:04 PM »
Here's a better idea: execute your plan...except switch the Israelis with the "Palestinians"
Makes more sense to move less people, no? ::)

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2007, 09:53:12 PM »
Here's a better idea: execute your plan...except switch the Israelis with the "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis"
Makes more sense to move less people, no? ::)

No way, I don't want to see Alaska ruined!!!
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2007, 11:23:28 PM »
All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.

And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!

It shall be called, New Israel!!!!

It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!

American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!

Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!

Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!

Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)

Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?

In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.

Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.

If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.

However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.

You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.

If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.

lubab -- Thanks for the thought-provoking questions and comments!

I am a simpleton. But let's see where this goes ... :)

Why are we hear, you ask? I'm not sure if you mean people in general or Jews in particular. But I'll just say from my own point of view with respect to the human race in general, we can do nothing except speculate. (Of course it wouldn't hurt to pray and fast if one is VERY serious about the matter.)

My speculation within the context of human beings as a whole is that we're to learn and grow as spiritual beings. Through pain, joy and suffering, we learn more about ourselves every day (or we should), as well as learn about God along the way.

Life is a great mystery, to say the least. We're here for a short time and then we're gone into the next world. I happen to be a person that has memories of where I was before I came into this world, though those memories are not much at all in the quanity department (but are not vague either). So I have that to think about as well as a lot of other things that maybe most people don't need to concern themselves with.

Okay, to get back on track ... Do you really believe that for people to strive to be "safe and comfortable" is such a bad thing and that it's boring? Every day in some way or another I try to be safe and comfortable. I like it way better than the alternative.

I wonder how you'd feel if you were to actually go to Alaska with the understanding that you're charged with the responsibility of giving the place a good look over (along with people to assist you) so as to consider the fesability of such a plan. You know, like if the political (and dare I say religious?) powers that be gave you cart blanc and then have you gather up all your information and present it to the Israeli kanesent/praliment to hear your recommendations. I bet you'd get up there and say, "Woah! This place has some potential!"

And I would wonder if God -- whom I assume enjoys saftey and comfort -- would hold it against you if you were to advise your fellow Israelis (in this scenario) that Alaska is a deal worth taking?

Do you think that God would be unhappy if you were to use the intellect He gave you to say, "You know, the killing and hate has been going on long enough; let's use our minds and bodies to secure a promising future for our children and their children in Alaska"?

It's true that to have a game of basketball in the manner you described would be boring. However, to have a vast and gorgeous slice of magnificent Alaska to do with as you please, could make one forget about the foolishness of people dying needlessly ... as there could be fewer challenges more daunting than to bring forth New Israel out of the most beautiful and rugged land God ever created. If you're into challenges then my guess would be that such a goal would tax all the wonderful talent and brain power of the Jewish people in a way and to a degree like never before!

My feeling is that for the sake of your children radical ideas need to be considered. And in my book New Israel is worth thinking about.

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2007, 08:04:20 AM »
Jews are not permitted to have a nation or nations outside of the holy land. Israel is our land, it currently has an arab/muslim cockroach infestation that will be fixed with a Kahanist government.

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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2007, 08:25:55 AM »
Jews are not permitted to have a nation or nations outside of the holy land. Israel is our land, it currently has an arab/muslim cockroach infestation that will be fixed with a Kahanist government.

And what about Khazaria? was it Jewish or judaist state?
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2007, 08:27:03 AM »
The simple fact of history dictates that Jews should be in the Holy Land as the Bible, as a purely historical document, states.  The reason for this is that over the past 2000 years, EVERY nation that had a Jewish Community persecuted it, pogrommed it or on the basis of purely anti-semitic fantasy stories, like the blood libel, made their lives very uncomfortable.  Even today in every nation (sadly including Israel because of its Anti-Jew leaders) a Kippa wearing Jew is a target.

Everyone on Earth, in my opinion, knows deep within that all the land there in Bolistine belongs to the Jews, historically and factually but with such ignorance and hatred for Jews and Judaism (not to mention the socio-political agendas which have a goal to eliminate G-d, religion and even Jews) contually blame the Jew.  

Just ask yourself why in all the mainstream media, Marxist educational system, defunct NWO/Globalist political arena there is such an agenda to disassociate the Jew from Judea but the Arabians with Bolistine or Bolistinians with the West Bank?  It is laughable and not to mention ahistorical.

Since the Arabs have 600 times the land of little Israel and 52 parasitic States to choose from would it not be easier and more logical for these million of Gazans, West Bankions and "Arab Israelis" to be "transfered" to the sparcely populated Arabia, Syria, Libya, Algeria?  I mean, aside from the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (both not really "ancient" sites) are the only two pieces "history" that they really have in the entirety of "Bolistine" when compared to the dozens and dozens of ancient archeological sites displaying Hebrew writing, synagogues, mikvas, fortresses of David, Herod, Solomon etc. The Arabs have nothing.  Even the Jewish history as associated with the Greeks, Egptians and Romans is displayed in parts of the "Egyptian" Sinai, Israel, "Lebanon", southern "Syria" and "Jordan" but no Bolistinian and very little Arab.  Even the Nebatean Petra is culturally alien to Islam and it Arab parasitic growth.  I mean if one wishes to speak of expansionism think of the Arabic language alone.  Arabic is foreign to Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan and even "Iraq"....  Thanks to the global jihad of Islam since Mohammed's day, Arabic is now the second largest spoken language in Europe and as well 3rd in Canada....  In Halifax, where I'm from, Arabic is the second largest spoken language....  "Decline of the West"...

In my opinion, the "New Israel" should be well defined borders from the Mountains of Lebanon ALL of so-called P-lestine and the entire Sinai to the Suez Canal with ALL of the world's Jews "transfered".  With Jewish Education, Jewish Courts, Jewish Government, social system based on Judaism and the concept of Charity instead of Socialism's tax and spend...  That way the Jews, through the laws of Judaism can take care of these Erev Rav within and Amelek themselves....  Perhaps with a second look at history one might conclude that Judaism and the Jews were not all that bad...... ;)
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2007, 08:30:22 AM »
Khazaria a very good topic.  Dunlap has a very good book about that far better than "The Thirteenth Tribe" by that parasite Arther Kostler.... 

You know something even more sad is that thanks to Stalin and his hatred for Jews he built a large dam which flooded the two or twin cities of the Khazars.  Thanks to this all the archeological discoveries will either be distroyed or only accessed when the water is drained...

Good post... ;)
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2007, 12:51:56 PM »
Thanks, All, for your friendly and informative comments!!

It's all over my head because there's so much history and little details about this and that (though I'll probally go to my grave thinking that Alaska could be the key... :))

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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2007, 02:11:47 PM »
The simple fact of history dictates that Jews should be in the Holy Land as the Bible, as a purely historical document, states.  The reason for this is that over the past 2000 years, EVERY nation that had a Jewish Community persecuted it, pogrommed it or on the basis of purely anti-semitic fantasy stories, like the blood libel, made their lives very uncomfortable.  Even today in every nation (sadly including Israel because of its Anti-Jew leaders) a Kippa wearing Jew is a target.

Everyone on Earth, in my opinion, knows deep within that all the land there in Bolistine belongs to the Jews, historically and factually but with such ignorance and hatred for Jews and Judaism (not to mention the socio-political agendas which have a goal to eliminate G-d, religion and even Jews) contually blame the Jew.  

Just ask yourself why in all the mainstream media, Marxist educational system, defunct NWO/Globalist political arena there is such an agenda to disassociate the Jew from Judea but the Arabians with Bolistine or Bolistinians with the West Bank?  It is laughable and not to mention ahistorical.

Since the Arabs have 600 times the land of little Israel and 52 parasitic States to choose from would it not be easier and more logical for these million of Gazans, West Bankions and "Arab Israelis" to be "transfered" to the sparcely populated Arabia, Syria, Libya, Algeria?  I mean, aside from the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (both not really "ancient" sites) are the only two pieces "history" that they really have in the entirety of "Bolistine" when compared to the dozens and dozens of ancient archeological sites displaying Hebrew writing, synagogues, mikvas, fortresses of David, Herod, Solomon etc. The Arabs have nothing.  Even the Jewish history as associated with the Greeks, Egptians and Romans is displayed in parts of the "Egyptian" Sinai, Israel, "Lebanon", southern "Syria" and "Jordan" but no Bolistinian and very little Arab.  Even the Nebatean Petra is culturally alien to Islam and it Arab parasitic growth.  I mean if one wishes to speak of expansionism think of the Arabic language alone.  Arabic is foreign to Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan and even "Iraq"....  Thanks to the global jihad of Islam since Mohammed's day, Arabic is now the second largest spoken language in Europe and as well 3rd in Canada....  In Halifax, where I'm from, Arabic is the second largest spoken language....  "Decline of the West"...

In my opinion, the "New Israel" should be well defined borders from the Mountains of Lebanon ALL of so-called P-lestine and the entire Sinai to the Suez Canal with ALL of the world's Jews "transfered".  With Jewish Education, Jewish Courts, Jewish Government, social system based on Judaism and the concept of Charity instead of Socialism's tax and spend...  That way the Jews, through the laws of Judaism can take care of these Erev Rav within and Amelek themselves....  Perhaps with a second look at history one might conclude that Judaism and the Jews were not all that bad...... ;)

Good post, the ME was truly islamic only since Mameluks campaign in XIII century, I woud add a so called fake Syria to Israel; since they'll  never be with peace with Jews; As Rabbi Kahene said Balestine is more Italian than A-rab; you have to only vistit all these churches in Jerusalem; Betlehem or Nasareth. The Arabs didn't builded anything new in entire ME. And Jews have valid and eternal claim in Torah.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2007, 03:21:40 PM »
All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.

And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!

It shall be called, New Israel!!!!

It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!

American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!

Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!

Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!

Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank G-d Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)

Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?

In order to answer this question you'd first need to answer the question: what are we doing here? What is our purpose in this world?
Is it just to be safe and comfortable? If that's the case we should just kill ourselves right now because that is just about the most boring thing I can imagine. Definitely not something worth living for.

Jews believe we are here on a mission to make this world better-to make it a place where G-d (Truth or whatever you wanna call it) is revealed.

If we have that perspective then everything changes. Sure G-d put us in a very tuff situation. But He knows exactly what he's doing.
How does it glorify G-d or the Jewish people or make this world a better place if we all pick up and move to Alaska.

However, if we in the most difficult of situations, do things as G-d commands (which the Israeli government is not doing over there right now) we will merit great victory and miracles beyond belief that will glorify G-d's name from one corner of the earth to the other.

You think you want comfort and safety. But this is not what brings happiness or joy. Overcoming challenges. Doing what's right in the face of adversity, this is something worth dying for, and it's certainly something worth living for.

If it makes it easier to understand just imagine playing basketball, but nobody is defending and the hoop is three feet high and the ball is tiny. Are you going to have fun scoring a lot of points like that? I doubt it. Will life is the biggest and most amazing game you can imagine.

lubab -- Thanks for the thought-provoking questions and comments!

I am a simpleton. But let's see where this goes ... :)

Why are we hear, you ask? I'm not sure if you mean people in general or Jews in particular. But I'll just say from my own point of view with respect to the human race in general, we can do nothing except speculate. (Of course it wouldn't hurt to pray and fast if one is VERY serious about the matter.)

My speculation within the context of human beings as a whole is that we're to learn and grow as spiritual beings. Through pain, joy and suffering, we learn more about ourselves every day (or we should), as well as learn about G-d along the way.

Life is a great mystery, to say the least. We're here for a short time and then we're gone into the next world. I happen to be a person that has memories of where I was before I came into this world, though those memories are not much at all in the quanity department (but are not vague either). So I have that to think about as well as a lot of other things that maybe most people don't need to concern themselves with.

Okay, to get back on track ... Do you really believe that for people to strive to be "safe and comfortable" is such a bad thing and that it's boring? Every day in some way or another I try to be safe and comfortable. I like it way better than the alternative.

I wonder how you'd feel if you were to actually go to Alaska with the understanding that you're charged with the responsibility of giving the place a good look over (along with people to assist you) so as to consider the fesability of such a plan. You know, like if the political (and dare I say religious?) powers that be gave you cart blanc and then have you gather up all your information and present it to the Israeli kanesent/praliment to hear your recommendations. I bet you'd get up there and say, "Woah! This place has some potential!"

And I would wonder if G-d -- whom I assume enjoys saftey and comfort -- would hold it against you if you were to advise your fellow Israelis (in this scenario) that Alaska is a deal worth taking?

Do you think that G-d would be unhappy if you were to use the intellect He gave you to say, "You know, the killing and hate has been going on long enough; let's use our minds and bodies to secure a promising future for our children and their children in Alaska"?

It's true that to have a game of basketball in the manner you described would be boring. However, to have a vast and gorgeous slice of magnificent Alaska to do with as you please, could make one forget about the foolishness of people dying needlessly ... as there could be fewer challenges more daunting than to bring forth New Israel out of the most beautiful and rugged land G-d ever created. If you're into challenges then my guess would be that such a goal would tax all the wonderful talent and brain power of the Jewish people in a way and to a degree like never before!

My feeling is that for the sake of your children radical ideas need to be considered. And in my book New Israel is worth thinking about.

******My dinner is getting cold, sorry for not cleaning this up a bit.  ;)


We don't need to speculate about what G-d wants from us and what kinds of challenges he wants us to overcome.  He has already made this clear to us in the Torah. He has made it clear that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews. That is our destiny and it is worth fighting for. If the Jews running the government in Israel would only act in accordance the Torah we would not have the problems that so disturb you.




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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2007, 04:14:56 PM »
But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't?

With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all!

THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between.

Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing.

I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people.

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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2007, 05:06:22 PM »
But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't?

With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all!

THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between.

Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing.

I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people.


If you know anything about Arabs you'll know that you don't need to kill them all to solve this problem.

If you just threaten to kill them all (but I mean a threat that's real) the vast majority will be well behaved. They are generally cowardly when they don't think they can win.

Their terrorist ways are fueled by our weakness and lack of conviction. Our cowardice and constant statements to them that we don't really belong there basically beg them to attack and try to take over.

In your analogy, going to Alaska would be letting the cancer have a free reign to continue its world conquest elsewhere.

 


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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2007, 05:27:05 PM »
But then does that mean that all Muslims -- men, women and children -- should be killed off all around the world? Isn't one of the tenants of their religion to either convert people or kill those that won't?  Yes it is a specificity of Islam given by Dar al Islam vs. Dar al Harb which places Islam at perpetual war until the entire world is under Islam.  This, in my opinion is very pertinant to the Jewish teachings of "If one comes to murder you; kill him first."  Judaism, unlike Christianity, lays roots in legislation of "Eye for an eye."  The concept of "Love they enemy" and "turn the other cheek" will only lead to deceit and conquest by the Islamists.  One cannot love evilness or one coming to murder you solely because you do not believe in their contorted cult.

With our war against the Islamo terrorists, I have no choice but to think that the only way to bring an end to their (growing) evil is to do just that -- kill 'em all!  Very good. Agreed!  Sadly with the billions of dollars spent on weaponry while none is used indicates moral decline.  Add "Political Correctness" means national suicide as Israel is seeing today as too Europe and even Canada.

THAT doesn't mean I think we should; it's a real dilemma is all I'm saying. Like cancer, you either let it keep growing and then it kills you, or you kill all of it and be done with it once and for all, no in-between.  Rabbi Kahane used the same analagy of the Arabs 30 years ago.  As hindsight is 20/20: he was right.

Here in the states radical Muslims have a strong foothold in our prison systems teaching their "religion" to blacks that hate whites. They, the new adherents, then spread it to like-minded blacks ... and it just keeps growing. Yes, here in Canada as well and too in Europe.  This indicates the most basic flaw of Socialist systems at work: the lack of capital punnishment.  MOST of these savages would be introduced to old sparky or Smith and Wesson.....not permitted to infect the minds of the deprave with the cancer of Islam and making these people more evil.

I'm so glad that I never brought children into this world, as my own "live and let live" philosophy clashes with the notions of too many mean people. Live and let live is a fabulous, yet near sighted philosphy like "Free Trade".  Both concepts would be perfectly acceptable if people were truly of likeness: culture, religion, ethical morality, racial/ethnic etc.  Perfectly good concept but truly at odds with "multiculturalism" for example...   Unlike Marxist egalitarianism professes, not all peoples, faiths, cultures etc. are good and "equal".  Some, like you stated so clearly, are right bloody rotten.  This is really no reason for you not to have children but is more of an incentive for you to have children and raise them with far better values than that propagated as "enlightened".  Most people who are religious Christians or Jews have very good families and contribute a nil crime statistic, in every area, not to mention are the largest contributers to charity and truly "humanitarian" projects.  Good post here Guy
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2007, 08:17:51 PM »
Thanks for the compliment and interesting comments, MarZutra. :)

So what happens in the event -- God forbid! -- that the Islamos light-off some major bombs at a given moment killing many throughout the western world (and laugh and dance in the streets..), making 9/11 look like child's play by comparison ... thus pushing us over the edge so far that we *literally* kill ALL Muslims, good ones, too, how then might God judge us when we leave the world to face Him?

(Personally, I'd rather end my own life than to kill innocent people for the purpose of insuring my own safety and wellbeing, as who can be THAT in love with life?)


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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2007, 08:35:11 PM »
Thanks for the compliment and interesting comments, MarZutra.  You are most welcome.  Fabulous topic to discuss logically and too morally.

So what happens in the event -- G-d forbid! -- that the Islamos light-off some major bombs at a given moment killing many throughout the western world (and laugh and dance in the streets..), making 9/11 look like child's play by comparison ... thus pushing us over the edge so far that we *literally* kill ALL Muslims, good ones, too, how then might G-d judge us when we leave the world to face Him? Well, in all honesty, based on the laws of the Torah, (not kings, popes or "religious" tyrants) to eliminate evilness in the world sanctifies G-d's name.  This is part of the "eye for an eye" or "he who comes to murder you; kill him first!" or, go grab your Bible, and read Genesis 34.  This will give you the Biblical response for the murders of our people, 911 and the event you lay out G-d forbid.

(Personally, I'd rather end my own life than to kill innocent people for the purpose of insuring my own safety and wellbeing, as who can be THAT in love with life?) Killing oneself is murder and a violation of the most sacred blessing G-d gives: Life.  Thanks to "Political Correctness" and the total abandonment of a moral compass as seen today with the youths idolizing harlots, gangsters, criminal vermine and the absolute worst the gutter has to produce, one has trouble making a distinction between what is "innocence" and what is "guilt".  Is there such a thing as an innocent Nazi?  Nazism is VERY similar to Islam if you wish to get down to the specificities.  So I can logically ask if one wilfully accepts the teachings of Islam (Nazism) as written within the Qur'an, Hadith (Mein Kempf) especially with its murderous Prophet Mohammed (Hitler) would they be "innocent"?

To keep you entertained for a while....Enjoy:

Dr. Robert Spencer's "The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam"

 

Dr. Robert Spencer's "The Truth About Mohammed"

  http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Allison-111406.wvx

Joan Peter's "From Time Immemorial: The Arab/Israeli Conflict over Bolistine" and "Turnspeak"

1.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-680.ram
2.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-681.ram
3.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1603.ram
4.  http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Allison-111406.wvx

Joan Peter's "From Time Immemorial: The Arab/Israeli Conflict over Bolistine" and "Turnspeak"

1.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-680.ram
2.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-681.ram
3.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1603.ram
4. 
http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Allison-111406.wvx

Joan Peter's "From Time Immemorial: The Arab/Israeli Conflict over Bolistine" and "Turnspeak"

1.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-680.ram
2.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-681.ram
3.  http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-1603.ram
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« Last Edit: September 25, 2007, 08:37:47 PM by MarZutra »
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2007, 09:29:50 PM »
MarZutra -- Thanks, again....

I'll look at those links a bit later ...  :)

I enjoyed our exchange even though, my friend, while we both want a lot of the same things ... we have a lot different ideas about getting to them. But like Larry King would often say, "That's what makes horse racing."

Take Care. ;)

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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2007, 11:49:58 PM »
You are most welcome.  Ol-stinky breath Lawrence Harvey Zeiger isn't a good example brother, he'd sell out his own mother to give an interview to Adolf Shickelgruber... ;)

Have you read the Qur'an or moreso the Hadith?  If you have the opportunity pick up a copy printed prior to 1995 or one that is currently in use in most Mosques and not the ones you'd find at Chapters, Coles etc.  As a matter of fact the Penguin mass market paperback, even though passing the editing/"political correcting" process still gives one the idea of what the world is dealing with and what it isn't...

Be well..
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2007, 12:24:38 AM »
You are most welcome.  Ol-stinky breath Lawrence Harvey Zeiger isn't a good example brother, he'd sell out his own mother to give an interview to Adolf Shickelgruber... ;)

Have you read the Qur'an or moreso the Hadith?  If you have the opportunity pick up a copy printed prior to 1995 or one that is currently in use in most Mosques and not the ones you'd find at Chapters, Coles etc.  As a matter of fact the Penguin mass market paperback, even though passing the editing/"political correcting" process still gives one the idea of what the world is dealing with and what it isn't...

Be well..
MZ

I'm afraid I'm not much of a book reader these days (not that I ever really was), as I'm either working, sleeping or on the Internet. I do read news papers, however.

If you're a reader of books, I would recommend the book, "Michelle Remembers" (published by Pocket Books, 1980). It's a little hard to get because its been out of print for a while now, but Amazon should work if you give them a try.

It's a most disturbing book but will give you some insights into this world that you'd be hard pressed to find elsewhere.

Godspeed. :)