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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on October 02, 2007, 11:48:57 PM
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Moshiach ben Yosef will arrive to the North. In the beginning, he will not know that he was chosen to be the first savior. He will operate thru his qualifications and thru his love for Am Israel that is embedded in him. He is very pious and has helpers with him. Thru his holy bravery and courage, people of the North as well as others will slowly awaken and want to attach themselves to him and join him. There will be those that will oppose him, including religious Jews that follow the Torah and its commandments.
He will rule from the Galil, his headquarters will be in Tzfat or Teveria. Some Talmidei Chachamim will begin to recognize him as the savior of Bnei Israel and will join him. Others will only join him much later.
* He'll announce an emergency regime.
* He will announce an emergency economic and secure regime because Israel will be bankrupt due to bankruptcy in America.
* He will call upon the Arab states to stop striking the Jews and to recognize the sovereignty of Israel in all Yesha territory.
* He will make major changes in the army.
* Major portion of the high-ranking officers of the IDF army will transfer their loyalty to him.
* In respond to kassam and rockets on Northern Israel, he will give instructions to completely exterminate a city in Syria.
* Egypt and Jordan will declare a war against him.
* He will lead the new IDF and capture Jordan and half of Sinai.
* He will forcibly capture Yerushalayim.
He will announce that the government operating in Yerushalayim are criminals and will demand to judge them according to the laws of the Jewish Court. He'll put some politicians in prison, while other politicians will try to run away. There will also be also politicans who will form a coalition to fight him, but he'll kill them.
* He will scatter media journalists and instead, place his own people.
* He will give (S'micha) Rabbinical authority to G'dol HaTorah to establish Chachmei Torah councilmen.
* He will cancel all authority and power of the Israel judicial system.
Meanwhile, in America...
* The Unites States will be severly struck because of their pride.
* The dollar will lose its value and the inflation will severely escalate.
* America will become bunkrupt.
* The severe strikes on the U.S. will come thru wars and even more, thru powerful weather disasters.
* The quick escalation of Moshiach ben Yosef will contribute to antisemitism.
* Antisemitism will rise to unimaginable heights.
* Jews of the United States will be forced to flee like fugitives, because those who survived the weather disasters will not be able to survive the tremendeous waves of hatred against them.
* The survivors will arrive in Israel with only the cloths on their back and Moshiach ben Yosef will reach out to help them.
Throughout the process, there will be many remarkable revealed miracles.
Please listen my friend, many are waiting for Moshiach to reveal himself and very soon, he will have the leadership.
What "Yehudit" says is very similar to what the holy sefarim (books) say, posted at Moshiach ben Yosef.
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html
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I also pray every day for Moshiach.
The world is in travail, as a woman in labor, exactly as was foretold.
Each and every day another sign of Moshiach's coming...and almost all of the prophecies have been fulfilled.
Even time has sped up.
Only the willfully blind can not see these events.
These are frightening times.
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Then what happens?
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Some people believe that Mashiach Ben Yosef is Rabbi kahane HY"D.
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Some people believe that Mashiach Ben Yosef is Rabbi kahane HY"D.
Rav Kahane was a Kohen. Anyway I dont necessarily belive him to be for a number of reasons. 1- He's a Kohen, 2- MBY is supposed to reveal and will reveal many deep secrets of the Torah, allthough Rav Kahane was a great Talmid Hacham still his works deal with a lot of simpler (if we can call it that) but great teachings maninly based on the Pshat of the Talmud, MBY is supposed to real Deep Torah Secrets (each 3 different levels). 3- Hes not here to initiate the wars allthough I see how in a way he can be in this category becuase its his teachings in this generation that can be the impact of the wars.
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While I know that the Moshiach will come very soon, I fear that we, righteous Jews, have failed. Rav Kahane mentioned the number 40 in terms of punishment and it is now 40 years from 1967. As such I am afraid that Moshiach will come "in it's time" and as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right.
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Re: "...as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right..."
Correct.
Look at the the "leaders" of the State of Israel...look at America's "leadership"...look at the corruption prevalent in American Conservative and Reform movements...accepting homosexual Rabbis, promoting homosexual marriage (even mixed faith homosexual marriages), renouncing Kashrut laws & renouncing brit milah...
As they say in academia, "The s_it's gonna' hit the fan!"
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Re: "...as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right..."
Correct.
Look at the the "leaders" of the State of Israel...look at America's "leadership"...look at the corruption prevalent in American Conservative and Reform movements...accepting homosexual Rabbis, promoting homosexual marriage (even mixed faith homosexual marriages), renouncing Kashrut laws & renouncing brit milah...
As they say in academia, "The s_it's gonna' hit the fan!"
Indeed there is currently spiritual suffering but my fear is that physical suffering will accompany it very soon......
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Re: "...as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right..."
Correct.
Look at the the "leaders" of the State of Israel...look at America's "leadership"...look at the corruption prevalent in American Conservative and Reform movements...accepting homosexual Rabbis, promoting homosexual marriage (even mixed faith homosexual marriages), renouncing Kashrut laws & renouncing brit milah...
As they say in academia, "The s_it's gonna' hit the fan!"
Indeed there is currently spiritual suffering but my fear is that physical suffering will accompany it very soon......
The physical is worse then the spiritual?
Anyway, even though what is said is true, we might (and currently) are facing many challenges, but we should never loose hope, G-d runs the world and everything he made was Tov, even Tov Meod. Whatever we face, was put by G-d and we have to deal with it the right way. Above all -the greatest damage someone can do to you is you yourself.
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The Vilna Gaon taught that Mashiach Ben Yosef would be a Cohen
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The Vilna Gaon taught that Mashiach Ben Yosef would be a Cohen
Where?
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Sefer Kol HaTor is where he wrote that
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Sefer Kol HaTor is where he wrote that
I read that Sefer, dont remember that point, also in that Sefer it is written that M Ben Yosef will reveal deep secrets of the Torah.
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do you know which chapter?
The book is also available online http://www.yedidnefesh.com/kaballah/kol-hator/1.htm
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sorry no I dont
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The Vilna Gaon taught that Mashiach Ben Yosef would be a Cohen
do you belive Rav Kahane to be MBY and why?
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The Vilna Gaon taught that Mashiach Ben Yosef would be a Cohen
Strange I never heard this. How can he been a Cohen if he is Ben YOSEF (not Levi)? Generally things go ben achar ben (after the father) when it comes to Moshiach. Do you know where that is written?
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The Vilna Gaon taught that Mashiach Ben Yosef would be a Cohen
Strange I never heard this. How can he been a Cohen if he is Ben YOSEF (not Levi)? Generally things go ben achar ben (after the father) when it comes to Moshiach. Do you know where that is written?
He said Sefer Kol HaTor , but I have read it some time ago and dont remember that to be the case. The sefer is also available online for free to read.
http://www.yedidnefesh.com/kaballah/kol-hator/1.htm
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mm interesting as cohens ARE LEVITES,and he would be called Ben David as it is said Moshiac will come from that line.It is also said that all nations shall know of the one true G-d and that he {Moshiac}will be a "warrior King".
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And how do you know that ?
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is that a trick question?
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that was rude of me, the passage you need is Isaiah 11:1..althru Isaih alludes to "His" arrival and but what terms it is on.
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is that a trick question?
I asked Tzvi .
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is that a trick question?
I asked Tzvi .
Whats your question exactly?
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is that a trick question?
I asked Tzvi .
Whats your question exactly?
"And how do you know that ?"
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confused.com :o
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confused.com :o
I meant "How does Tzvi knows what exectly Moshiach ben Yosef will do?"
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wel some of what he will do is in the Bible.
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While I know that the Moshiach will come very soon, I fear that we, righteous Jews, have failed. Rav Kahane mentioned the number 40 in terms of punishment and it is now 40 years from 1967. As such I am afraid that Moshiach will come "in it's time" and as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right.
He mentioned 40 years of warning, to do teshuva, counting from 1948. As a time period, may be 38, may be 42. He was murdered 42 years after 1948, in 1990.
It is said that he prophetically eulogised himself in his last speech where he was shot.
If correct that in every generation there is a potential moshiach that takes on that role if we merit it. Then he was the best match.
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my Rabbi said the final war will be with the christians! thoughts?
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And my Rabbi said it will be with the smurfs :D
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hee hee. seriously thats what he said,i guess he dont like them much.
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My Rabbi says it will be with the Femanazis ;) ;)
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i DON'NT REALLY THINK MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE CHRISTIAN MAYBE POST CHRISTIAN AND REVERTING TO PAGANS
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i DON'NT REALLY THINK MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE CHRISTIAN MAYBE POST CHRISTIAN AND REVERTING TO PAGANS
Yes that's why I call them "Christian" with quotes.
IF they were real Christians, they would fight for the survival of their religion, but instead they let islam walk all over them. Those "Christians" would be happy to burn their own crosses and churches JUST to help build more mosques. And then there are the pagas, don't get me started on them! How lame can someone get when they start to worship Odin! :o
True
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we have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way till we get to Moshiach..hate to break it to you.
However long it might be, it doesn' tmean we shoudl slack off either.
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we have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way till we get to Moshiach..hate to break it to you.
How do you know?
I think he'll be here tomorrow (IY"H)...
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Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.
He can come tomorrow but its up to us.
+ some people chant "we want Moshiah Now", but to know the seriousness of it, would probably dissapoint many. It could come either quickly (Prier to the sceduled time, but now it might be late, I dont know), or it can come at the sceduled time, and it could come with many tragedies, and holocaust (for example 1/5 Jews got out of Egypt).
The maximun is that He will come 200 years before the year 6,000 (which isn' to long into the future).
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Where you get the "200 before", I thought the Rabbis opinion in the Talmud was 6000. Anyways, that isn't the maximum, but what the Rabbis think the maximum is, although I hope they are right and it comes by then.
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Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.
He can come tomorrow but its up to us.
Who ever said we would be worthy?
Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?
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Where you get the "200 before", I thought the Rabbis opinion in the Talmud was 6000. Anyways, that isn't the maximum, but what the Rabbis think the maximum is, although I hope they are right and it comes by then.
http://www.torahanytime.com/rav_mizrachi.html
04/29/07 When Masiach Comes
He brings it down - listin to it. It has to do with the cosmic Shabbat (if im saying it correctly).
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Well I don't accept his opinion since the Talmud says otherwise.
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Well I don't accept his opinion since the Talmud says otherwise.
I thought he was bringing from the Talmud. Anyway its not important.
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Moshiach ben Yosef will arrive to the North. In the beginning, he will not know that he was chosen to be the first savior. He will operate thru his qualifications and thru his love for Am Israel that is embedded in him. He is very pious and has helpers with him. Thru his holy bravery and courage, people of the North as well as others will slowly awaken and want to attach themselves to him and join him. There will be those that will oppose him, including religious Jews that follow the Torah and its commandments.
He will rule from the Galil, his headquarters will be in Tzfat or Teveria. Some Talmidei Chachamim will begin to recognize him as the savior of Bnei Israel and will join him. Others will only join him much later.
* He'll announce an emergency regime.
* He will announce an emergency economic and secure regime because Israel will be bankrupt due to bankruptcy in America.
* He will call upon the Arab states to stop striking the Jews and to recognize the sovereignty of Israel in all Yesha territory.
* He will make major changes in the army.
* Major portion of the high-ranking officers of the IDF army will transfer their loyalty to him.
* In respond to kassam and rockets on Northern Israel, he will give instructions to completely exterminate a city in Syria.
* Egypt and Jordan will declare a war against him.
* He will lead the new IDF and capture Jordan and half of Sinai.
* He will forcibly capture Yerushalayim.
He will announce that the government operating in Yerushalayim are criminals and will demand to judge them according to the laws of the Jewish Court. He'll put some politicians in prison, while other politicians will try to run away. There will also be also politicans who will form a coalition to fight him, but he'll kill them.
* He will scatter media journalists and instead, place his own people.
* He will give (S'micha) Rabbinical authority to G'dol HaTorah to establish Chachmei Torah councilmen.
* He will cancel all authority and power of the Israel judicial system.
Meanwhile, in America...
* The Unites States will be severly struck because of their pride.
* The dollar will lose its value and the inflation will severely escalate.
* America will become bunkrupt.
* The severe strikes on the U.S. will come thru wars and even more, thru powerful weather disasters.
* The quick escalation of Moshiach ben Yosef will contribute to antisemitism.
* Antisemitism will rise to unimaginable heights.
* Jews of the United States will be forced to flee like fugitives, because those who survived the weather disasters will not be able to survive the tremendeous waves of hatred against them.
* The survivors will arrive in Israel with only the cloths on their back and Moshiach ben Yosef will reach out to help them.
Throughout the process, there will be many remarkable revealed miracles.
Please listen my friend, many are waiting for Moshiach to reveal himself and very soon, he will have the leadership.
What "Yehudit" says is very similar to what the holy sefarim (books) say, posted at Moshiach ben Yosef.
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html
You have no idea what you are talking about.
What makes you think that you know so much detail?
Even the greatest Rabbis of the Talmudh had no idea how the Geulah would come about.
Besides, the Rambam does not beleive there is such a thing as moshiach ben yosef. And he was a great Hakham.
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Sorry if I made the impression that I wrote it myself, but I posted the link at the end of the post.
About the Rambam, how would you know that? (What does he specifically write indicating that?)
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Moshiach moshiach moshiach...oy oy oy oy oy...moshoiach moshiach moshiach oy yoyoyoy...moshiach moshiach moshiach oy yoy oyoy..
come on everybody!
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Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.
He can come tomorrow but its up to us.
Who ever said we would be worthy?
Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?
How are people worthy now when they commit a great many slaps in the face. Or do you think the Israeli government is a worthy entity?
Who ever said we will be worthy? Hashem took us out of Mitzrayim because we had reached the 49th level of impurity! Yiddishkeit was in such a dismal state, Hashem was forced to take us out!
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Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.
He can come tomorrow but its up to us.
Who ever said we would be worthy?
Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?
How are people worthy now when they commit a great many slaps in the face. Or do you think the Israeli government is a worthy entity?
Who ever said we will be worthy? Hashem took us out of Mitzrayim because we had reached the 49th level of impurity! Yiddishkeit was in such a dismal state, Hashem was forced to take us out!
Well being taken out of Egypt is not the same as Moshiach coming now.
I just follow the teachings of the Rebbe.
He said that Moshiach's arrival is the responsibility of every Jew. We see Jews who don't care, who don't keep kosher or keep Shabbat etc. And the Israeli government is just dreadfully secular and anti-Torah
I guess others feel that he will come when it gets really bad but the situation will be different. That's one view of it.
My view is the same as the Rebbe's. He also emphasized in Jews doing acts of goodness and kindness in order to speed the coming of Moshiach. Like him, I feel that Moshiach will come through our hard work.
I understand if you disagree, my views may just be different. The links I have to those videos explain what the Rebbe said and what I believe about this matter.
I also follow the Rebbe ZY"A, and I hope I hope I hope that Moshiach will come through our own merit, and IY"H every Jew will be Shomer Mitzvos BEFORE he comes (which IY"H will be tomorrow), but I think it is incorrect to say that he isn't going to come until we fix the despicable Israeli government.
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Actually both of you could be right and both scenarios are possible, allthough many have said that the time is up (for the first option- without Messianic birthpangs), but still both options are possible, and Rav Kahane writes a lot about it being as such).
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Actually both of you could be right and both scenarios are possible, allthough many have said that the time is up (for the first option- without Messianic birthpangs), but still both options are possible, and Rav Kahane writes a lot about it being as such).
I think we are currently experiencing the birthpangs of Moshiach. And I have read Forty Years; it was actually the book that got me to become Frum.
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Sorry if I made the impression that I wrote it myself, but I posted the link at the end of the post.
About the Rambam, how would you know that? (What does he specifically write indicating that?)
He writes two chapters detaling what the Moshiach will do and will not do and he doesn't mention Moshiach ben yosef at all.
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maybe the RAMBAM was only listing what would -certainly- happen. And the reason why, is so that we do not identify a false one.
furthermore, you mention he lists what he will certainly not do. No doubt he was aware of the tradition of moshiach ben yosef, and he did not list that in his certainly do nots for moshiach.
I agree with you that Tzvi`s link is rubbish. It is out there.. Tzvi, you posted one site where somebody nobody had ever heard of thought he had gone up and spoken to moshiach.
I saw a similar site(called erevmoshiach) about children that are meant to have seen the time of moshiach, they tried to predict the near future and got it completely wrong. The site was pulled down soon after, because - to paraphrase - "it gave away too many secrets" and "kabbalists" objected to the site being up.
The site was taken very seriously, the child would speak, and then scholars would analyse his words and find these obscure sources to backup lots of what he was saying.. and they would say he knew things that he could not possibly have learnt himself. And the use of the method was justified, by a quote from the zohar that children would see the prophecies of the future.. It had a forum too, and many people there did not agree with the stuff on the site, but were very knowledgeable.. One even mentioned a kabbalistic source for the magen dovid, but I did not note it down.
That site certainly took more care to be accurate than the site or article posted to start this thread!
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That site was pulled because all of the kids predictions did NOT come true.
Not because of any Kabbalists afraid of too many secrets being revealed.
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yes, that`s why I said their predictions did not come true, and why I put kabbalists in quotes.
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That site was pulled because all of the kids predictions did NOT come true.
Not because of any Kabbalists afraid of too many secrets being revealed.
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There are a lot of people in Israel who have sites claiming their are the Mashiach, it's very entertaining.
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That site was pulled because all of the kids predictions did NOT come true.
Not because of any Kabbalists afraid of too many secrets being revealed.
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There are a lot of people in Israel who have sites claiming their are the Mashiach, it's very entertaining.
Saying "I am the Moshiach" when you are not the ruler of Israel is kind of like saying "I'm the president of the USA" when really I'm just an accountant.
It is ridiculous.