Moshiach ben Yosef + Jews in America

[decimos]

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[Dexter]

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I meant "How does Tzvi knows what exectly Moshiach ben Yosef will do?"

[decimos]

wel some of what he will do is in the Bible.

[q_q_]

While I know that the Moshiach will come very soon, I fear that we, righteous Jews, have failed. Rav Kahane mentioned the number 40 in terms of punishment and it is now 40 years from 1967. As such I am afraid that Moshiach will come "in it's time" and as a result there will be much suffering before his arrival. I hope that I am wrong, but I am afraid that I am indeed right.

He mentioned 40 years of warning, to do teshuva,  counting from 1948. As a time period, may be 38, may be 42.  He was murdered 42 years after 1948, in 1990. 
It is said that he prophetically eulogised himself in his last speech where he was shot.

If correct that in every generation there is a potential moshiach that takes on that role if we merit it. Then he was the best match.

[decimos]

my Rabbi said the final war will be with the christians! thoughts?

[jdl4ever]

And my Rabbi said it will be with the smurfs 

[decimos]

hee hee. seriously  thats what he said,i guess he dont like them much.

[mord]

My Rabbi says it will be with the Femanazis

[mord]

i DON'NT REALLY THINK MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE CHRISTIAN MAYBE POST CHRISTIAN AND REVERTING TO PAGANS

[mord]

i DON'NT REALLY THINK MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE CHRISTIAN MAYBE POST CHRISTIAN AND REVERTING TO PAGANS

Yes that's why I call them "Christian" with quotes.
IF they were real Christians, they would fight for the survival of their religion, but instead they let islam walk all over them. Those "Christians" would be happy to burn their own crosses and churches JUST to help build more mosques. And then there are the pagas, don't get me started on them! How lame can someone get when they start to worship Odin! 

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[Dr. Dan]

we have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way till we get to Moshiach..hate to break it to you.


However long it might be, it doesn' tmean we shoudl slack off either.

[OdKahaneChai]

we have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way till we get to Moshiach..hate to break it to you.

How do you know?

I think he'll be here tomorrow (IY"H)...

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.

He can come tomorrow but its up to us.

+ some people chant "we want Moshiah Now", but to know the seriousness of it, would probably dissapoint many. It could come either quickly (Prier to the sceduled time, but now it might be late, I dont know), or it can come at the sceduled time, and it could come with many tragedies, and holocaust (for example 1/5 Jews got out of Egypt).
The maximun is that He will come 200 years before the year 6,000 (which isn' to long into the future).

[jdl4ever]

Where you get the "200 before", I thought the Rabbis opinion in the Talmud was 6000.  Anyways, that isn't the maximum, but what the Rabbis think the maximum is, although I hope they are right and it comes by then. 

[OdKahaneChai]

Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.

He can come tomorrow but its up to us.

Who ever said we would be worthy?

Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Where you get the "200 before", I thought the Rabbis opinion in the Talmud was 6000.  Anyways, that isn't the maximum, but what the Rabbis think the maximum is, although I hope they are right and it comes by then. 

http://www.torahanytime.com/rav_mizrachi.html
04/29/07 When Masiach Comes 

He brings it down - listin to it. It has to do with the cosmic Shabbat (if im saying it correctly).

[jdl4ever]

Well I don't accept his opinion since the Talmud says otherwise. 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Well I don't accept his opinion since the Talmud says otherwise. 

I thought he was bringing from the Talmud. Anyway its not important.

[judeanoncapta]

Moshiach ben Yosef will arrive to the North. In the beginning, he will not know that he was chosen to be the first savior. He will operate thru his qualifications and thru his love for Am Israel that is embedded in him. He is very pious and has helpers with him. Thru his holy bravery and courage, people of the North as well as others will slowly awaken and want to attach themselves to him and join him. There will be those that will oppose him, including religious Jews that follow the Torah and its commandments.

He will rule from the Galil, his headquarters will be in Tzfat or Teveria. Some Talmidei Chachamim will begin to recognize him as the savior of Bnei Israel and will join him. Others will only join him much later.

* He'll announce an emergency regime.
* He will announce an emergency economic and secure regime because Israel will be bankrupt due to bankruptcy in America.
* He will call upon the Arab states to stop striking the Jews and to recognize the sovereignty of Israel in all Yesha territory.
* He will make major changes in the army.
* Major portion of the high-ranking officers of the IDF army will transfer their loyalty to him.
* In respond to kassam and rockets on Northern Israel, he will give instructions to completely exterminate a city in Syria.
* Egypt and Jordan will declare a war against him.
* He will lead the new IDF and capture Jordan and half of Sinai.
* He will forcibly capture Yerushalayim.

He will announce that the government operating in Yerushalayim are criminals and will demand to judge them according to the laws of the Jewish Court. He'll put some politicians in prison, while other politicians will try to run away. There will also be also politicans who will form a coalition to fight him, but he'll kill them.

* He will scatter media journalists and instead, place his own people.
* He will give (S'micha) Rabbinical authority to G'dol HaTorah to establish Chachmei Torah councilmen.
* He will cancel all authority and power of the Israel judicial system.

Meanwhile, in America...

* The Unites States will be severly struck because of their pride.
* The dollar will lose its value and the inflation will severely escalate.
* America will become bunkrupt.
* The severe strikes on the U.S. will come thru wars and even more, thru powerful weather disasters.
* The quick escalation of Moshiach ben Yosef will contribute to antisemitism.
* Antisemitism will rise to unimaginable heights.
* Jews of the United States will be forced to flee like fugitives, because those who survived the weather disasters will not be able to survive the tremendeous waves of hatred against them.
* The survivors will arrive in Israel with only the cloths on their back and Moshiach ben Yosef will reach out to help them.

Throughout the process, there will be many remarkable revealed miracles.

Please listen my friend, many are waiting for Moshiach to reveal himself and very soon, he will have the leadership.

What "Yehudit" says is very similar to what the holy sefarim (books) say, posted at Moshiach ben Yosef.

http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html

You have no idea what you are talking about.

What makes you think that you know so much detail?

Even the greatest Rabbis of the Talmudh had no idea how the Geulah would come about.

Besides, the Rambam does not beleive there is such a thing as moshiach ben yosef. And he was a great Hakham.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Sorry if I made the impression that I wrote it myself, but I posted the link at the end of the post.


About the Rambam, how would you know that? (What does he specifically write indicating that?)

[Dr. Dan]

Moshiach moshiach moshiach...oy oy oy oy oy...moshoiach  moshiach moshiach oy yoyoyoy...moshiach moshiach moshiach oy yoy oyoy..

come on everybody!

[OdKahaneChai]

Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.

He can come tomorrow but its up to us.

Who ever said we would be worthy?

Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?

How are people worthy now when they commit a great many slaps in the face. Or do you think the Israeli government is a worthy entity?

Who ever said we will be worthy?  Hashem took us out of Mitzrayim because we had reached the 49^th level of impurity!  Yiddishkeit was in such a dismal state, Hashem was forced to take us out!

[OdKahaneChai]

Moshiach is ready to come now, but are we ready? NO. Just look at the secular Israeli government that is NOT worthy of Moshaich's arrival. And at Jews who take their Jewishness for granted all over the world.
Moshiach will NOT be a sudden heavenly revelation, BUT the culmination of man's work to perfect the world.

He can come tomorrow but its up to us.

Who ever said we would be worthy?

Do you know why Hashem brought us out of Egypt?

How are people worthy now when they commit a great many slaps in the face. Or do you think the Israeli government is a worthy entity?

Who ever said we will be worthy?  Hashem took us out of Mitzrayim because we had reached the 49^th level of impurity!  Yiddishkeit was in such a dismal state, Hashem was forced to take us out!

Well being taken out of Egypt is not the same as Moshiach coming now. 
I just follow the teachings of the Rebbe.
He said that Moshiach's arrival is the responsibility of every Jew. We see Jews who don't care, who don't keep kosher or keep Shabbat etc. And the Israeli government is just dreadfully secular and anti-Torah

I guess others feel that he will come when it gets really bad but the situation will be different. That's one view of it.

My view is the same as the Rebbe's. He also emphasized in Jews doing acts of goodness and kindness in order to speed the coming of Moshiach. Like him, I feel that Moshiach will come through our hard work.

I understand if you disagree, my views may just be different. The links I have to those videos explain what the Rebbe said and what I believe about this matter.

I also follow the Rebbe ZY"A, and I hope I hope I hope that Moshiach will come through our own merit, and IY"H every Jew will be Shomer Mitzvos BEFORE he comes (which IY"H will be tomorrow), but I think it is incorrect to say that he isn't going to come until we fix the despicable Israeli government.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Actually both of you could be right and both scenarios are possible, allthough many have said that the time is up (for the first option- without Messianic birthpangs), but still both options are possible, and Rav Kahane writes a lot about it being as such).

[OdKahaneChai]

Actually both of you could be right and both scenarios are possible, allthough many have said that the time is up (for the first option- without Messianic birthpangs), but still both options are possible, and Rav Kahane writes a lot about it being as such).

I think we are currently experiencing the birthpangs of Moshiach.  And I have read Forty Years; it was actually the book that got me to become Frum.