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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: admin on October 09, 2007, 03:09:48 PM
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There is too much of that in Israel. It's especially bad when the women who wear them expose a belly button stapling. I used to like seeing women dress that way in Israel but it's so stupid now that every single non-religious woman does that.
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No by state (national) law which is too omnipotent already but by comunal law/social customs and traditions; However it must be prohibited for old ugly fat women. 8;)
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I don't know about banned - but seeing less of them would be nice.
Yesterday at the Columbus Day parade in NYC a Bacardi Rum Float went by with some scantily clad women aboard.
BullCat Jr. yelled out something like - Hey Ladies - Put some shirts on you're sticking out all over. ::)
I was so proud of her. O0
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only for fat chicks they should be banned :laugh:
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I agree with Bullcat.
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only for fat chicks they should be banned :laugh:
Haha! Good answer! *making shuddering noise*
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I think this type of shirt should be banned from schools (which it technically is right now if it's enforced properly) and should be banned from public places with families and children. Ergo, Britney Spears should be banned in all her forms.
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It depends on who's wearing them.
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It depends on who's wearing them.
Yeah - Some men should just avoid them altogether!
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We all know what Joe Gutfeld will vote.
How do you know? Would he vote whatever Don Imus thinks? Though I don't know what Imus thinks about it.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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Just like tattoos and piercings, no. It is up to the individual how they want to appear in the Holy Land. Judaism encourages us to dress conservatively.
The woman you speak of are obviously not Orthodox or Hasidic. They most likely belong to the minority of the Reform movement or are Conservative. People of the less strict demoninations dress like this.
Women who dress like this are of little moral fiber. Exposing this particular part of the body is unacceptable and indecent. If a Jewish woman dresses like this, they're most likely going to have sex out wedlock. A Jewish woman should not woo a man through her attire. No woman of any religion should do that.
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>:(
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the most beautiful women I see are almost always more modestly dressed (not talking about long skirts...but they wear less revealing stuff)
the most trashy women generally wear the most revealing stuff with piercings and tattoos all over the place.
However, I don't mind good looking women without piercings and tatts wearing things a little bit revealing, but I think that is pretty rare.
I think they should have choice so at least I can see what type of person they are almost immediately.
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the most beautiful women I see are almost always more modestly dressed (not talking about long skirts...but they wear less revealing stuff)
the most trashy women generally wear the most revealing stuff with piercings and tattoos all over the place.
However, I don't mind good looking women without piercings and tatts wearing things a little bit revealing, but I think that is pretty rare.
I think they should have choice so at least I can see what type of person they are almost immediately.
Immodest dress usually suggests that a woman is looking to attract a male through her attire. That is not the way it is meant to be in Judaism or Christianity. Relationships built on lust are impure, and will surely lead to sex out of wedlock.
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No by state (national) law which is too omnipotent already but by comunal law/social customs and traditions; However it must be prohibited for old ugly fat women. 8;)
I'm with you, there.
The same goes for licra spotswear. It's supposed to be for cutsie-pie little 20 something girls, not the 60+ geriatrics wearing the stuff today!
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Joe would vote yes because he likes to see immodestly dressed women. He likes that Israeli women pose in swimsuits.
me too...i just shudder when i see tatoos, piercings or if they are under the age of 18...
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I don't know about banned - but seeing less of them would be nice.
Yesterday at the Columbus Day parade in NYC a Bacardi Rum Float went by with some scantily clad women aboard.
BullCat Jr. yelled out something like - Hey Ladies - Put some shirts on you're sticking out all over. ::)
I was so proud of her. O0
I love your kid LOL! ;D
I think it should be banned for women because I just reckon its immodest for them to showoff that bit of their body....though I accidentally clicked No. :)
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Immodest dress usually suggests that a woman is looking to attract a male through her attire. That is not the way it is meant to be in Judaism or Christianity. Relationships built on lust are impure, and will surely lead to sex out of wedlock.
So I take it your not a huge fan of Girls Gone Wild??????
What if we lived in a world where men only valued brains...but women were not allowed to have intellectual discussions (like if an intellectual discussion was considered immodest)...that would be great for the beautiful but dumb women, but would that be fair to smart women?
Beauty and brains are just two things that make people attractive. Each have their place, and both men and women can individually choose which they want more of in a partner/mate before or during marriage.
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I think they are in exceptionally poor taste but I am not sure about a ban. How could we enforce it?
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No, we cant tell people how to dress, its up to the individual. I dont wear those shirts, but anyone who wants to can. As a woman I am far more offended by a woman in a burka shuffling behind her husband on a hot day, lugging 8 small kids while he strolls along in shorts, than I am a womans bare midriff.
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No, we cant tell people how to dress, its up to the individual. I dont wear those shirts, but anyone who wants to can. As a woman I am far more offended by a woman in a burka shuffling behind her husband on a hot day, lugging 8 small kids while he strolls along in shorts, than I am a womans bare midriff.
No offense to some of the people here and ultra-religious Jews, but the whole extreme-modesty enforcement thing sounds a lot like some Sharia-s#it. I'm with the secularists in this regard & can definitely understand anyone having an extreme aversion to religious policies that would enforce something like this in Israel.
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Immodest dress usually suggests that a woman is looking to attract a male through her attire. That is not the way it is meant to be in Judaism or Christianity. Relationships built on lust are impure, and will surely lead to sex out of wedlock.
So I take it your not a huge fan of Girls Gone Wild??????
What if we lived in a world where men only valued brains...but women were not allowed to have intellectual discussions (like if an intellectual discussion was considered immodest)...that would be great for the beautiful but dumb women, but would that be fair to smart women?
Beauty and brains are just two things that make people attractive. Each have their place, and both men and women can individually choose which they want more of in a partner/mate before or during marriage.
If we lived in a JTF America, one with morals, women would concentrate less on their looks and more on their mind. Of course you're always going to have your retards, but that can't be helped.
Beauty is a great thing, but a women does not have to expose every bit of her body she can without being technically nude to prove her beauty. I find that quite unattractive.
That's why most Jews don't approach women, but, instead, are introduced through third parties.
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Immodest dress usually suggests that a woman is looking to attract a male through her attire. That is not the way it is meant to be in Judaism or Christianity. Relationships built on lust are impure, and will surely lead to sex out of wedlock.
So I take it your not a huge fan of Girls Gone Wild??????
What if we lived in a world where men only valued brains...but women were not allowed to have intellectual discussions (like if an intellectual discussion was considered immodest)...that would be great for the beautiful but dumb women, but would that be fair to smart women?
Beauty and brains are just two things that make people attractive. Each have their place, and both men and women can individually choose which they want more of in a partner/mate before or during marriage.
If we lived in a JTF America, one with morals, women would concentrate less on their looks and more on their mind. Of course you're always going to have your retards, but that can't be helped.
Beauty is a great thing, but a women does not have to expose every bit of her body she can without being technically nude to prove her beauty. I find that quite unattractive.
That's why most Jews don't approach women, but, instead, are introduced through third parties.
Well, I agree with you that some women over-do it, but a man with any sense would probably not find that attractive anyways. I also think wholesome beauty is the best and that the most beautiful women are never the ones that have to starve themselves to look decent (a little on the heavy site/athletic are ok with me).
The immoral fashion industry full of queers and starving models sets the stupidest, cruelist, and most obscene standards, and it is criminal that they have such a loud voice. I'm already over it and see right through it, but it is horrible, especially for younger people like teens and early 20's. So I would like to shut them out and I would not mind a society where these people are marginalized rather than being center stage.
However, my main disagreement is about the standards of social interaction between normal, decent men and women. I think it is unnatural to be overly sexually modest...In fact I think it some cases, it is a complete farce.
And as far as being introduced through 3rd party...Ok, that is fine...one of my rabbis met his wife that way and they have an extremely nice family of 6 or more kids...But I also don't think there should be any stigma attached to meeting people and having a social life that includes women even if it leads to premarital sex.
For some people, having one partner in their lifetime is fine, but for others...let's just say nature didn't intend it that way and I doubt Hashem did either.
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Whatever happend to self control, we are responsible for our own actions, we can blame the other person for wearing revealing clothes, but really WE are responsible for our own actions.
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Whatever happend to self control, we are responsible for our own actions, we can blame the other person for wearing revealing clothes, but really WE are responsible for our own actions.
You're correct, but my statements are geared torward women who walk around like they're begging to have sex and most likely out of wedlock. If these women had morals, they'd realize that dressing like that is foolish and demeaning. Women do it, because they know most men like it. It's a very sad situation. A woman can't find any way else to attract a man then through her body. But men are to blame as well, because they only go after the women dressed this way. That's why so many women dress like this now. These women know they don't stand a chance of attracting a man, when you have all these other huahs walking around, so they realize they have to compete. It got like this, because of the US's lack of sound morals.
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No offense to some of the people here and ultra-religious Jews, but the whole extreme-modesty enforcement thing sounds a lot like some Sharia-s#it. I'm with the secularists in this regard & can definitely understand anyone having an extreme aversion to religious policies that would enforce something like this in Israel.
I agree with you that there should not be a ban on them, but I think that we do have every right to cast shame and criticism over tasteless, prurient fashion trends. I don't see an analogy between ridiculing trashy dress and sharia.
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No offense to some of the people here and ultra-religious Jews, but the whole extreme-modesty enforcement thing sounds a lot like some Sharia-s#it. I'm with the secularists in this regard & can definitely understand anyone having an extreme aversion to religious policies that would enforce something like this in Israel.
I agree with you that there should not be a ban on them, but I think that we do have every right to cast shame and criticism over tasteless, prurient fashion trends. I don't see an analogy between ridiculing trashy dress and sharia.
But unlike the Muslim Nazis, Jews respect Jewish women, and think of them as equals.
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what do you care if women dress that way to compete for men?
if a women is looking for a typical shmuck who watches porn and loves to go to strip bars and shove dollar bills up a strippers you know where, let em dress provacative...the only men they will attract that way are not really any prize anyways in my opinion.
I agree ridicule is fine, but in this case mostly a waste of time.
The concept of banning is something different.
At this time I gotta say I'm not sure which I find more repulsive: The overt over-sexuality of trashy women (and even queers) or the extreme modesty of the ultra-religious sharia types.
Damn, can't we just live in a world where people are normal O0
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No by state (national) law which is too omnipotent already but by comunal law/social customs and traditions; However it must be prohibited for old ugly fat women. 8;)
If it dosen't fit, one mustn't buy it! LOL
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What do the other women here think?
I don't think they should be banned. I'm not EVEN a belly shirt wearing woman, but I respect all womens' rights to wear what they wish, given that they can fit into it. I'm more for belly shirts than I would be for the head to foot number that muslim women wear.
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What do the other women here think?
I don't think they should be banned. I'm not EVEN a belly shirt wearing woman, but I respect all womens' rights to wear what they wish, given that they can fit into it. I'm more for belly shirts than I would be for the head to foot number that muslim women wear.
Well if you respect all women's right to wear what they wish - then don't discriminate against the larger size people. You don't like discrimination right? ;)
I have never been a large sized person - but I rarely wore a belly baring anything off of the beach. As a mother - I wouldn't wear one now because I want my daughter to have respect for her body. So exposing her skin - in a modest way - is reserved for the beach. I dread when she gets a little older and tries to follow the trends. Hopefully - we are headed back to a more modest style of dress - but I doubt it. :(
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What do the other women here think?
I don't think they should be banned. I'm not EVEN a belly shirt wearing woman, but I respect all womens' rights to wear what they wish, given that they can fit into it. I'm more for belly shirts than I would be for the head to foot number that muslim women wear.
Well if you respect all women's right to wear what they wish - then don't discriminate against the larger size people. You don't like discrimination right? ;)
I have never been a large sized person - but I rarely wore a belly baring anything off of the beach. As a mother - I wouldn't wear one now because I want my daughter to have respect for her body. So exposing her skin - in a modest way - is reserved for the beach. I dread when she gets a little older and tries to follow the trends. Hopefully - we are headed back to a more modest style of dress - but I doubt it. :(
Then maybe I could restate that for myself because my response was discriminatory towards bigger women. Let's just say that I'm a big woman who wouldn't be caught dead in a shirt like that. Modesty really comes in the way you carry yourself. I know women who wear form-fitting clothing who just like the way it looks on them and aren't looking for a man to admire it. But then again, I know some women who wear the tightest clothes imaginable because they feel that's the way you get and keep a man in your life.
*I haven't worn a swimsuit in years, not even a full one, but that's because I have issues. lol Its no one's fault. However, I have ALL girls. I have a 16 year old who is into babydoll shirts and a soon to be 16 year old who is into tiny shirts that show off her form and short skirts. Its really easy to dictate to them in the house not to wear certain things for the sake of not giving out or recieving the wrong energy. But it's totally another story when they can leave the house in what you tell them to wear, go to their friends' house before the school bus arrives and changes into one of their friends' belly shirts/ or outfits. My other girls don't have this problem though, and its because they've been around me a lot longer than my 15 year old. I dress fairly modest. I LOVE long skirts, but I also love short skirts which stop 3 inches above my knee. Flattering but not over the top.
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I'm not looking foward to those teenage years. I hear they can be difficult no matter how good the child is. :-\
Children can certainly bring on the grey hairs...I dread how grey I'll be when she reaches those years. ::)
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I'm not looking foward to those teenage years. I hear they can be difficult no matter how good the child is. :-\
Children can certainly bring on the grey hairs...I dread how grey I'll be when she reaches those years. ::)
Oh, I'm charishing my grey hairs...I'm going to need proof when they get older and have their own children of how much stress they put me through. lol "Erica, how did you do it? How did you help raise us without losing your mind..." Me: LOOK AT MY HEAD!!!! :::D
I remember being a teenager and loving to dress up. I was never the type to wear skin tight clothing but by the time I got into high school I'd graduated into dressing like I was a teacher, rather than your average student. I was sophisticated (taking my mom's blazers, eye liner). lol So I know what my daughters are going to be like (those who are above 15 and those who aren't there yet (THANK GOD!) )
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I'm not looking foward to those teenage years. I hear they can be difficult no matter how good the child is. :-\
Children can certainly bring on the grey hairs...I dread how grey I'll be when she reaches those years. ::)
Oh, I'm charishing my grey hairs...I'm going to need proof when they get older and have their own children of how much stress they put me through. lol "Erica, how did you do it? How did you help raise us without losing your mind..." Me: LOOK AT MY HEAD!!!! :::D
I remember being a teenager and loving to dress up. I was never the type to wear skin tight clothing but by the time I got into high school I'd graduated into dressing like I was a teacher, rather than your average student. I was sophisticated (taking my mom's blazers, eye liner). lol So I know what my daughters are going to be like (those who are above 15 and those who aren't there yet (THANK G-d!) )
I guess I will have earned the grey hairs but I'm not sure I'm going to cherish them! ;)
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I'm not looking foward to those teenage years. I hear they can be difficult no matter how good the child is. :-\
Children can certainly bring on the grey hairs...I dread how grey I'll be when she reaches those years. ::)
Oh, I'm charishing my grey hairs...I'm going to need proof when they get older and have their own children of how much stress they put me through. lol "Erica, how did you do it? How did you help raise us without losing your mind..." Me: LOOK AT MY HEAD!!!! :::D
I remember being a teenager and loving to dress up. I was never the type to wear skin tight clothing but by the time I got into high school I'd graduated into dressing like I was a teacher, rather than your average student. I was sophisticated (taking my mom's blazers, eye liner). lol So I know what my daughters are going to be like (those who are above 15 and those who aren't there yet (THANK G-d!) )
I guess I will have earned the grey hairs but I'm not sure I'm going to cherish them! ;)
I was told, years ago that having grey hairs was a sign of wisdom. :D
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Loose fitting and covering clothes are a lot cooler to wear in the heat then, tight shorts or t-shirts. A lot of skin cancer and damage from UV rays is increasing these days since a lot of people are exposed. The sun is the greatest danger to skin.
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It's just indecent. The purpose of wearing a shirt is to cover up your midsection. Your belly button shouldn't be exposed. Women need to have decency, and if we had a sense of morality in this country, there would be none of this. This only started to happen when the US started losing its morals in the liberal-minded '60's.
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Well.. if a female is shaped well, it doesn't bother me (well, jealousy sets in if they're attractive), but I doubt I would want my daughter to be dressed like that, so I'm a bit split on this subject. Although I think females are much more attractive when dressed conservatively but still show their figure.