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« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2008, 09:10:23 AM »
Being pro-West is bad?  Hell every Serb on here doesn't live in Serbia but in some Westernized nation like America, England, Australia, Canada or perhaps even Israel.... 

Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule?  Did the Serbs help the Allies because Communist Russia was on the side of the Allies after June 2, 1941 or were the Serbs only following the Communist dictators orders to fight against the Nazis?

your gonna tell me where i live?check my IP,then talk
What happened to serbia during ww2 and after,what did the allies do to serbia?The English and americans bombed serbia harder then the Nazi blitcz,saying we were bombing the nazi occupators,witch were long gone,and kingdom of yugoslavia had no relations with the cccp
and the west supported the communist in the end,knowing full-well what they chose

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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2008, 10:20:00 AM »
All I'm asking for was/is information and your views.  It is not "The West" you hate but the establishment that influences their geo-political decisions re: global issues.  Then again, they are only one player while Russia and her communist, Mohammedan and Turd World Allies are on the other. 

I stated what I did because I noticed most of the Serbs on here live outside of Serbia.  Today's Russia still holds much in political and ideological affirmation with the old Soviet Days.  I think it would, and is, wrong to believe that Communism was defeated or even that the old Soviet Union fully collapsed... as many here in the West do...

Thanks for the info and views.  Much appreciated...
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« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2008, 12:04:06 PM »
Being pro-West is bad?  Hell every Serb on here doesn't live in Serbia but in some Westernized nation like America, England, Australia, Canada or perhaps even Israel.... 

Those Westernized countries are occupying Serbian territories and are responsible for the collapse of the international recognized state of Yugoslavia.

Israel has no soldiers on Serbian soil. But the Israeli authorities had recognized Croatia and Bosnia as sovereign and independent states in 1991 and in 1992. Russia had also 
recognized those two states, but that can be explained. Back then, Russia was, to the advantage of Croatia and Bosnia,  ruled by a Western exponent Boris Yelcin.

Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule?  Did the Serbs help the Allies because Communist Russia was on the side of the Allies after June 2, 1941 or were the Serbs only following the Communist dictators orders to fight against the Nazis?

Russia was after the revolution of 1917 occupied by a Bolshevik government.
The highest members of the Bolshevik party and the founders of the red revolution were not Russians. Royal Yugoslavia was a free nation, in contradiction to Russia, during the period of 1918 until 1940. So, the Serbs had their own national identity and movement who fought against the Nazis after 1941. Russians had no alternative, because they were totally occupied by the communists.

The Serbs fought during WW2 together with the allies because the allies supported the Serbian struggle against Hitler's Europe. The Serbs had no other option besides the resist against the Nazi terror which started to exterminate the Serbs.
The Serbian reaction against Nazism was natural, self protection.
The allies and the Serbs had during WW2 the Nazis as a common enemy.
To thank the Serbs for their contribution in the struggle against Hitler, the allies rewarded the Serbs by handing their lands over to the Masonic-communist regime of Western exponent Tito.

Do you understand why the Serbs are not pro West?
Only pro EU national traitors in Serbia are pro West!
The JTF has not contact with those Serbs. This Serbian subforum is lead by the anti-globalist and pro Russian and Orthodox Serbs. We are against the NWO and the colonization of our lands.

I admit that I'm not a scholar on Serbia itself but I do know a fair amount about Russian, Communist and Islamic history and ideological specificities....  The West is collapsing like a deck of cards for a few main reasons. 

The West (babylon) is trying to create a one world government.
After the worldsunion is accomplished the following will happen.
The world's nations will give the power to a certain man.
And that is not good!
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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2008, 12:08:41 PM »
All I'm asking for was/is information and your views.  It is not "The West" you hate but the establishment that influences their geo-political decisions re: global issues.  Then again, they are only one player while Russia and her communist, Mohammedan and Turd World Allies are on the other. 

Thats why we are also anti-West.
The West looks down on 3d world countries. They are materialistic and selfish.

You have confirmed to me your Western hatred towards Slavic people, third world people (which were colonized and exploited by the West) and towards other people who do not share your ethnicity!

You are protecting the West and blaming others for the crimes committed by the West!
You do not even want to admit the Western crimes!

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« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2008, 12:17:01 PM »
Marzutra,
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Being pro-West and pro-East (in terms of East-Europe&Russia) is good.
We want peace with eachother, and together secure our interests and freedom.

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Some Serbs are living in Serbia, as does Dalmacija.

3) <<Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule? >>

Well, in the 30ties, Serbia was an Orthodox Kingdom, not a Soviet ally.

And why are you always calling the Soviet Union "Russia".

ALL RUSSIAN I KNOW HATE THE SOVIET UNION, AND ARE GLAD IT COLLAPSED.
Today Russia is not in a terrible good shape neither, but at least, it is better than under Gorbatchev, or Yeltsin.

You ahve really great points!
You are a true comrade of the Serbs and of the Slavic nation!
Al least you are honest and you are not washing the crimes committed by the West on other nations!

We can trust people like Ambiorix! Real European behavoir!

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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2008, 01:09:19 PM »
Thank you very much for your inputs.  I understand your contempt for this quest for a New World Order, however, that is the same ideology, only in a Communalist sort of way, that Communism demands and is currently trying to push also onto the world via Socialism/Leninsm/Perestroika....

I see this situation as a two headed snake.....  Russia and her Communist/Socialist/Islamist and Turd World "Allies" on one hand and the "West", with her Oligarchy lead cohorts working for similar ends....  The only difference I feel is in minor specificities and who is sitting on the global politburo. 

Thanks for your input.  PS: I'd not hold much faith in those sitting on the Oligarchy in Israel as they are of the most vile scum of this Earth as well.... imo.
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« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2008, 01:21:18 PM »
I see this situation as a two headed snake.....  Russia and her Communist/Socialist/Islamist and Turd World "Allies" on one hand and the "West", with her Oligarchy lead cohorts working for similar ends....  The only difference I feel is in minor specificities and who is sitting on the global politburo. 

There is no other nation who is creating a one world government as hard as the US and its allies are doing. This is separating my roads from yours.
I see the Russians and the 3rd world people as nations who are resisting the US imperialistic world domination. I also think that it is very wrong to mix Tzarist Orthodox Russia with the USSR.

If you know who the heads werre of the government of the former USSR everything will be clear. Most of them were indeed foreigners, at least they were not Orthodox.

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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2008, 01:38:13 PM »
I feel you are entirely mistaken and incorrect on your premise due to the fact that Russia then, as today, follows the same globalist ideology.  You are seeing this too much from a pro-Russia/anti-America bias my friend.  Step back and consider both the history and the ideologies of all players...  Socialism is global, communism is global and Islam is global in ideological specificity. 

It takes two to tango and the fact that America built Russia, Europe, the Islamic World and now Red China...one has to step back and look a the wider picture and ask why when Russia, is often a partner in this entire situation...
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2008, 01:54:37 PM »
Russia is not a communist state, that is pro-American propaganda.
Yes Islam is global, so is Roman catholicism.

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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2008, 03:52:29 PM »
Russia is not a communist state, that is pro-American propaganda.
Yes Islam is global, so is Roman catholicism.
Russia is a pseudo-Communist State.  It most certainly is not a democracy.  Communism, my friend IS in fact a global ideology as per Marx/Engles Manifesto with ideological specificities stemming back to Plato and the Neo-Platonists. 

Probably more propaganda...

Russian units raid Georgian airfields for use in potential Israeli strike against Iran – US intelligence
DEBKAfile September 11, 2009

5 Sept.: The Russians raided two Georgian airfields, which Tbilisi had allowed Israel to use for a potential strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, after the Georgian offensive against South Ossetia on Aug. 7.

Under a secret agreement with Georgia, the airfields were earmarked for use by Israeli fighter-bombers taking off to strike Iran, in return for training and arms supplies for the Georgian army.

DEBKAfile's intelligence sources report that flying from S. Georgia over the Caspian Sea to Iran would sharply trim the flying time for Israeli fighter-bombers to 3.5 hours.

Northern Iran and the Tehran region, where most of the nuclear facilities are concentrated, would be within range, with no need to request US permission to pass through Iraq air space.

Russian Special Forces also raided other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia and captured Israeli spy drones and other military equipment. DEBKAfile adds: If the Russians got hold of an Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle complete with sophisticated electronic reconnaissance equipment, they will have secured some of the IDF's most secret devices for spying on Iran and Syria.

When this happened before, Russian military engineers quickly dismantled the equipment, studied it and passed the technology on to Tehran and Damascus.

Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 12, 2008, 10:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

 
Russian Navy prepares for permanent Mediterranean base in Syria
Friday, Sept. 12, Moscow announced renovation had begun on the Syrian port of Tartus to provide Russia with its first long-term naval presence on the Mediterranean.

As the two naval chiefs talked in Moscow, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov met Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki in the Russian capital for talks on the completion of the Bushehr nuclear power plant by the end of the year.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the commander of the Russian, Navy Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky, and his Syrian counterpart, Gen. Taleb al Barri, spent all Friday working on details for the outfitting of Tartus port to accommodated increased Russian fleet Mediterranean missions not far from Israel’s shores.

Mottaki’s unannounced visit to the Russian capital focused on the timetable for Atomstroiexport to finish work on the Bushehr reactor after five years of delays.

Moscow has sharpened its tone in comments aimed at the West and the US in particular. President Dmitiry Medvedev said Friday that Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia was the equivalent for Russia of the 9/11 attack on America. Even if Georgia had become a NATO member, he said, he would not have thought twice about ordering the Russian army to go in.

Prime minister Vladimir Putin, after putting Moscow’s case on Georgia to the Western media, warned the US that stationing a missile defense shield near Russia’s borders would start an arms race in Europe. There was no basis for a new Cold War, he said.

DEBKAfile’s sources interpret Friday’s events as indicating that Russia’s leaders have determined not to declare a Cold War in Europe but to open a second anti-Western front in the Middle East.

In the second half of August, DEBKA file and DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s analysts discussed this re-orientation at length (Russia’s Second Front: Iran-Syria), disclosing that Moscow had decided to use its ties with Tehran and Damascus to challenge the United State and the West in the Middle East as well as the Caucasian, the Black Sea and the Caspian region.

The traumatic impact of the Georgia conflict on Russia’s rulers came through in the remarks of an unnamed Kremlin official quoted by the Russian media this week: “Everything has changed since the war with Georgia. What seemed impossible before is more than possible now when our friends become our enemies and our enemies our friends. Russia will respond. A number of possibilities are being considered, including hitting America where it hurts most – Iran and Syria.”

In aligning with Tehran and Damascus, Moscow stands not only against America but also Israel. This volatile world region is undergoing cataclysmic changes at a time when Israel is virtually without a fully competent prime minister and key political and military decision-making by the rest of the government is at a standstill.
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2008, 03:56:16 PM »
Russia communist?
American and anti-Russian propaganda!
That is a serious attack against an Orthodox country!

A Western occupation of Iran is dedicated to the encircling of Russia.
If Russia supplies weapons to Iran, than this does not mean that Russia is a communist state. Being communist and supplying weapons to Iran and Syria are not the same things. Syria does not recognize Kosovo.

US does not care about the stabilization at the Middle-East, otherwise they would not apply for a new war in that area. The war against Iran is a part of the plan which includes the organization of the encircling of the Russian federation.
This plan will endanger the world and the Middle-East.

But you believe that attacking Iran wil bring something good to your nation?
I do not agree.
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2008, 04:06:17 PM »
You may well be right however I tend to disagree.  With Yugoslavia and perhaps every other encounter since WW2 Russia is always consulted and perhaps a partner.  It feel it is most certainly dangerous to draw such lines especially when the historical specificities do not dictate it. The fact that a few years back the largest military training exercise was undertaken via Russia-China certainly doesn't have anything to do with American power unless one is to state their intention to either confront it or initiate it....

The Russian bear has always been anti-Israel for a very long time.  They've armed, funded, trained and propagated Israel's enemies in every war.... 
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2008, 04:19:13 PM »
The Russian bear has always been anti-Israel for a very long time.  They've armed, funded, trained and propagated Israel's enemies in every war.... 
I completely understand that you worry about Israel.
Maybe Israel will face the most of the consequences between a Russia-American conflict.

I also believe that Russia will not tolerate the total destruction of Israel.
Maybe USSR had some problems with Israel but USSR was not Orthodox Russia.
Look you can not hate Russia because of some former communists and especially if you know that foreigners controlled the USSR. How would you feel if I started to attack you because of Jews like Mose Pijade, Madeline Albright and other individual Jews?

40% of the participators who were direct responsible for the establishment of Israel were Russian Jews. I do not think that the USSR was so anti-Israel at all.
Israel is a small country, it must stay away from the conflicts between real worldpowers.

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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2008, 05:07:07 PM »
I completely understand that you worry about Israel.
Maybe Israel will face the most of the consequences between a Russia-American conflict.  It most certainly will, in my opinion.  If Russia enters into a conflict, every Communist, Mohammedan and Turd World nation will comply to Mother Russia's call.......  If no, why would China bother having military and political agreements/treaties with Russia?

I also believe that Russia will not tolerate the total destruction of Israel. Sadly, should that be the case, Russia wouldn't have done the aforementioned.  I know Russia, now, is very different than the Stalin's day but I don't believe Putin holds any affirmation towards Jews or Israel.
Maybe USSR had some problems with Israel but USSR was not Orthodox Russia. True. I hope and pray for the best.  Most don't know, or understand, that after both the '67 and '73 wars Israel almost came into direct confrontation with the Russian bear due Israel's downing many Russians flying Russian made aircraft, heading the Syrian Air Force.  Today most of Israel's enemies are armed by the Russians.  Sad but true.   I simply hope that Russia gets out of Serbia as well NATO and let either the Serbs "live along side" their Mohammedan neighbors or let the two sides battle it out so the Serbs can drive them back to Arabia where they belong.  my opinions...
Look you can not hate Russia because of some former communists and especially if you know that foreigners controlled the USSR.  Putin was the head of the KGB.  He is a Communist.  I detest the ideology and the peoples.  What sort of foreigners controlled the USSR?  Stalin was a Georgian which was absorbed into the Russian Empire in the 19th century. Lenin was from Simbirsk, Russia.  So I guess I'm lost as to which leaders were foreigners? How would you feel if I started to attack you because of Jews like Mose Pijade, Madeline Albright and other individual Jews? I'd feel both blessed and too I'd defend myself as to educate you towards their UN-Jewishness.  These people are the antithesis of Judaism and Jews.  They are Utopians, Globalists, Communists, Socialists...  There really isn't much Jewishness within these people.   

40% of the participators who were direct responsible for the establishment of Israel were Russian Jews. They were also Socialists and Communists....I do not think that the USSR was so anti-Israel at all. I'd like to know how many Jews lost their lives in the Gulag system?
Israel is a small country, it must stay away from the conflicts between real world powers. I agree with you 100%.  Sadly, Israel is faced between a rock and a hard place.  They are surrounded by 300 million Arabs who seek their destruction and are funded, trained and armed by one, if not more, of these super powers. 

The basic thing to remember brother is "When a cat and dog fight, the cat usually dies.  And the World blames the Jew."

I'm extremely anti-Communist, Socialist, Nazi, Humanist and Establishment..... 

"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2008, 05:56:18 PM »
i agree with Mar,u gotta step back alittle,tho i don't agree alltogether with ur other statements
and IMHO the "Capitalists" and socialists had the same master,and were trying to acomplish the same thing,you make to global super powers
then there is a cold war there are milions of guns tanks,everytihng made,competition blah blah,and i think that was the point,who makes the money and profits from selling them?one of them was bound to callapse and ther would be Oligarchy...(i think i ment to write more but my mind was "cut" when i started doing something else etc...)

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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2008, 06:03:54 PM »
i agree with Mar,u gotta step back alittle,tho i don't agree alltogether with ur other statements
and IMHO the "Capitalists" and socialists had the same master,and were trying to acomplish the same thing,you make to global super powers
then there is a cold war there are milions of guns tanks,everytihng made,competition blah blah,and i think that was the point,who makes the money and profits from selling them?one of them was bound to callapse and ther would be Oligarchy...(i think i ment to write more but my mind was "cut" when i started doing something else etc...)
I agree with you here.  I will go even further in the fact that one didn't really "collapse" like the American propaganda machine continually touts; "Ronald Reagan defeated Communism with his speech "Tear Down these Walls"."  In actual fact, and my opinion, that Reagan assisted its unleashment onto the world.  If one looks at the world today, in direct comparison with 1988, one will see a decided growth in Socialist nations where once was nominally Christian powers.  The EU would be a great example as would the current realities of Canada and Britain...America aside. 

I think you will very much like Anatoly Golitsyn's "New Lies for Old" or "The Perestroika Deception"... 

Off for Shabbat...   :dance:
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2008, 06:09:11 PM »
oh an i'll tell you,the serbs were idiots(still are)they didn't let the bosnians go to turkey,no they said they are serbs of muslim faith,they are our brothers blah blah,we deserve it.But i'll tell you i h8 the catholics far more then the muslims,far more,not becous croats are catholics,but HOW they are catholics,the catholics are one of the biggest evils to hit this planet,what have they done in america(N,S)all those books burned...all those educated ppl in europe burned,they manipulated and let the muslims consume the ortodox balkans so they could catholicise it later...they sent the world hundreds of years back,god,howmany extrodinary ppl may have been borne or were borne but burned......makes me sick to my stomach...

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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2008, 06:16:59 PM »
I agree with you here.  I will go even further in the fact that one didn't really "collapse" like the American propaganda machine continually touts; "Ronald Reagan defeated Communism with his speech "Tear Down these Walls"."  In actual fact, and my opinion, that Reagan assisted its unleashment onto the world.  If one looks at the world today, in direct comparison with 1988, one will see a decided growth in Socialist nations where once was nominally Christian powers.  The EU would be a great example as would the current realities of Canada and Britain...America aside. 

I think you will very much like Anatoly Golitsyn's "New Lies for Old" or "The Perestroika Deception"... 

Off for Shabbat...   :dance:

i think the point of Communisam was to weaken the "independent" superpower Russia(and the east,the asians etc)so that they could be concured at the end,and i think the point was to make the world one "country" or no country,to mix all ppl up so there would be no political racial crap etc,and then a select few familys would rule,Oligarchy...
The Beatles were an engenered groupe,they didn't happen by chance,they were sending political messages,got half of america on drugs etc,like the song "Imagine",it allways creeps me out,tho i love beatles :D

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Re: Why we Serbs should support Russia
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2008, 06:25:52 PM »
You ahve really great points!
You are a true comrade of the Serbs and of the Slavic nation!
Al least you are honest and you are not washing the crimes committed by the West on other nations!

We can trust people like Ambiorix! Real European behavoir!

Thank you Dalmacija.
i hope we can wake up our American and Jewish friends that we are all Christians-Jews, and that we can unite JTF on this matter.
Destroying Russia will not serve Israel's. Europe's nor America's interests....
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2008, 08:20:51 AM »
oh an i'll tell you,the serbs were idiots(still are)they didn't let the bosnians go to turkey,no they said they are serbs of muslim faith,they are our brothers blah blah,we deserve it.But i'll tell you i h8 the catholics far more then the muslims,far more,not becous croats are catholics,but HOW they are catholics,the catholics are one of the biggest evils to hit this planet,what have they done in america(N,S)all those books burned...all those educated ppl in europe burned,they manipulated and let the muslims consume the ortodox balkans so they could catholicise it later...they sent the world hundreds of years back,G-d,howmany extrodinary ppl may have been borne or were borne but burned......makes me sick to my stomach...
You know, here is where Nik would have enjoyed answering or responding to your post.  There is a book, very bias and anti-Catholic, and ignorant to the specificities of Judaism and most certainly the vileness and history of Mohammed, Islam and its expansion, but it does place forward many facts, ascertains that begs much questioning: "Vatican Assassins" - Eric Jon Phelps a Calvinist/Protestant.  The book delves into the history of Catholicism and how it bastardized Christianity with its various "councils", Papal rulings and adding/changing and deleting scripture from the New and Tanach .  The book follows a time line from the early Catholic Church in Rome to the infallible Pope as "G-d's representative on Earth" as simply a ploy for power and domination over the collapsing Roman Empire. 

The book moves onto the dealings and expansion of Catholicism, or a molested form of it with goals of making the Pope and his General, often referred to as "The Black Pope" who is the head of The Society of Jesus founded in 1537 by Saint Ignatius of Loyola, dominate the Earth.  A New World Order theory/agenda to which Rome and the Vatican sit at the center.  A modern day struggle to bring back the Roman Empire... 

Now many "Conspiracies" have popped up regarding this group but the fact that they did have a Communalist commune in Paraguay suggests that there was an alternative side of the Jesuit Order than to promulgate Christianity.  Phelps then moves to the Calvin/Luther Reformation against the heavy hand and corruption of the Vatican, Pope and Catholicism, the Counter-Reformation and even a Counter-Counter Reformation to which the Author and many Protestant historians believe has never ended. 

This book, including the Calvinist/Lutheran: Protestant History place forward the theory that the troubles, wars and corruption of the world stems from this religious war between the Vatican power and the vanquishment of the Protestants and Protestantism.  Is it true?  I don't know but it is very logical and too plausible imo.  A very interesting example is the meeting at Malta between Stalin, Churchill and FDR to sell out the rebellious protestants, Greek/Russian Orthodox of Europe which suddenly found themselves behind "The Iron Curtain" to be Communized by Lenin, Stalin and the entire Soviet Military Super-State.  Eric states the same with the abandonment of the Orthodox Christians to the Mohammedans by the Pope of Rome due to the earlier fact that the Jesuits were in collusion with the Ismailis: Assassins and the Caliphate.  A very interesting read....

i think the point of Communisam was to weaken the "independent" superpower Russia(and the east,the asians etc)so that they could be concured at the end,and i think the point was to make the world one "country" or no country,to mix all ppl up so there would be no political racial crap etc,and then a select few familys would rule,Oligarchy...
The Beatles were an engenered groupe,they didn't happen by chance,they were sending political messages,got half of america on drugs etc,like the song "Imagine",it allways creeps me out,tho i love beatles :D
This is also a good theory although I don't know what to make of it.  I first read this within the fraud book by John Coleman "The Committee of 300"; a total waste of time and undocumented/substantiated work of rubbish.  It wouldn't surprise me if the Beatles were Communists, however many during the '60's were totally taken in by the Communist propaganda during the so-called "Civil Rights" movement.  In fact, little had to do with "civil rights" but the expansion of anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, immoral, anti-G-d depredation: Humanism, Socialism, Communism, New Age and Esoteric/Eastern Gnosticism...anything to replace Christianity and expand the Utopian views of Plato, More and Marx...  yet also decidedly fitting into the premise presented above by Eric Jon Phelps...

It is a good theory and may well be true.....  But sadly "Dr." Coleman ruined it with its presentation without any substantiating proof/documentation. 

I will say that it was absolutely logical for the Beatles, and others during that time, to have been taken up with great interest by their like minded cohorts within media, government, legal and academic....  This movement is quite similar to the 14th-17th century Italian Renaissance starting in Tuscany and dominated by the Medicis.  The World can largely thank Lorenzo de' Medici for the Renaissance, the blistering growth of Humanism, Pantheism, the re-birth of the Eastern Esoteric "Mysteries" as well the re-birth of the old, and long forgotten, Roman term: "Palestine" as Italy tirelessly worked toward re-developing their Great Roman Pagan past....

Perhaps the Communist agenda working alongside and with the Beatles, and other "artists" of that era, is directly comparable with today's media and social decay due to the animalistic promulgation of this "Urban" Culture, Ebonics and this Rap/hip-hop degeneracy?  G-d it chaps my behind just to even think of this....
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« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2008, 03:37:25 PM »
m8 i'm trying to say all the sides can be directed to one puppet master,the rest is manipulation,i mean,there probably are a few "real sides",i mean there are probably more then one group trying to rule the world,otherwise they'r be already ruleing it(unless they aren't already...)

ps,your one of the few educated ppl i have a pleasure of talking to :)

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« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2008, 03:56:04 PM »
m8 i'm trying to say all the sides can be directed to one puppet master,the rest is manipulation,i mean,there probably are a few "real sides",i mean there are probably more then one group trying to rule the world,otherwise they'r be already ruleing it(unless they aren't already...)

ps,your one of the few educated ppl i have a pleasure of talking to :)

Ey you are forbidden to talk with educated non-Serbs!
Salim se... Just joking...

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burn teh witch!!11

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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2008, 04:54:15 PM »
burn teh witch!!11

yes.. just like in the middle ages...
Vatican style!

Boris Tadic = witch!!!

Zlo C.E. Srbi dotuci istinom i sa Rusijom i bratskom Kinom!!!
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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2008, 09:42:15 PM »
Thanks you guys be very well.  I just posted a very good ebook which I think you'll enjoy very much.  It is the "Jewish" groups (who've there is no Jewishness within them) that seek, and work towards the establishment of a new world order.  They work hand in hand with the Gentile that seeks to eliminate Christianity and establish the same end.  Do a search on here for "To Eliminate the Opiate".

The above post of mine was one angle of the Papal See/Vatican/Jesuits vs. Orthodox and Protestant Christians and one group/theory within the aforementioned Gentile anti-Christian movements.  The book by E.J. Phelps is also available in E-format for your desire.

Thanks for the comps and it is nice to see that people here are open minded and have actually practiced the teachings of Mark Twain "Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.