I realize that with this thread I am not toeing the "party line". I can already see people rolling their eyes..."oh Lubab's been taken in by the conspiracy nuts". But that's really the wrong attitude.
I came to JTF for answers and the truth. My questions led me to ask and when Chaim gave answers that made logical sense, answers that explained the current reality I was experiencing, I knew this was a place that had a lot of truth to offer.
But I know one must never assume he's found the truth and then it's over. Well...the Torah is ultimate truth for me and everything else is suspect. But there is always more to know and one must never stop asking questions, even questions about the Torah. I never want to be a ditto-head who doesn't think for himself and ask questions even if the person I'm following blindly is the great Chaim ben Pesach. So while I know Chaim might be displeased that I bring up these issues and I am sorry for that, my great love for the truth at all costs compels me to bring these issues up for discussion because they are too important to ignore.
So I Have Questions About 9-11.
Now let me start off by saying I don't yet have answers to these questions and I would hate nothing more than to be forced to conclude that our own government had any part in the execution of these bloody mass murders. That would be the ultimate betrayal. That's exactly why I ask these questions...hoping that maybe someone here (or all of you together can answer these questions to my satisfaction so I don't NEED to believe that the US government is capable of such evil.
(Though at the same time I realize government doesn't have a very good historical record for treating it's citizens well...one still hopes America is different).
So here are my questions and if anyone can help me out with any one of them please do so. I think this will spark an intereting discussion and I hope everyone will learn something and respect an opposing viewpoint. Let's try to keep away from labels like "conspiracy theory"
because there's no reason why one man's interpretation of events is any better than anyone else just because he happens to be the President or his spokesman. Every man should be able to weigh the evidence and draw their own conclusions if this still is a free country.
Enough intro, here are my questions:
1. Apparently we have a whole lot of Air Force Defenses in this country. We have a very high tech military. Maybe the best in the world. This military has protocols on how to deal with hijacked planes. It is my understanding that even commercial flights that go off slightly are quickly surrounded on both sides with US fighter planes on both sides. NORAD I believe is the organization in charge of this stuff.
Yet over the course of 2 hours on 9-11 one plane hit. Another plane hit. It was clear we were under attack. Then a third plane hit the Pentagon (which I would assume would be the the best guarded building in the country). There was apparently a fleet of fighter planes about 10 miles away. I think it's called Andrew's Feild or something like that. Not one plane of ours went up into the air that day to do something about those planes which they knew were WAY off course and obviously up to no good.
Why is this?
There was Norman Mineta, transportation secretary, who testified before Congress that he was with Dick Cheney when the plane was approaching the Pentagon and people kept running in asking him "does the order still stand?!" and even when the plane was withing 10 miles of the Pentagon he kept saying "yes the order still stands, have you heard anything to the contrary from me!" You can find this testimony on Youtube (
) . It was reported in the mainstream media. Now what "order" was Cheney referring to. It seems obvious to me that the only order he was referring to was an order for the Air Force to do nothing about that plane heading into the Pentagon...because that's exactly what happened...nothing...and in it went and many people were killed there.
2. WTC Building #7. It was not hit by a plane. You can see it had some small fires in a few floors. The media coverage of the fires in that building were reported in the major media and are available on YT as well. What caused it to collapse later in the day around 5:30 in about 7 seconds. It collapsed neatly and completely into it's own footprint for no apparent reason that I can think of. I've seen much weaker buildings with much worse fires burn for much much longer and they don't collapse at all. They just sort get gutted from the inside and the frame remains. Here nothing remained. Absolutely everything went down all in one shot for no good reason.
Larry Silverstein was on PBS a few days later and said he asked "them" to "pull it" "and we watched the building come down". "Pull it" is a phrase known to be used by demolition workers when they do a controlled demolition. If it was a controlled demolition how did they set that up so fast amongst all the chaos of the day? Correct me if I'm wrong but a controlled demolition would take weeks to set up, and why would they set one up in the first place?
It's notable that Larry Silverstein owned the twin towers and Building #7 and profited greatly from the insurance policies he'd taken out on his buildings weeks before the events. His buildings were the only ones that collapsed.
3. Why was the US government on the morning of 9-11 conducting drills to practice what to do if planes get flown into the world trade center and pentagon? This was also reported in the major media outlets and I'm sure you heard about it.
If they were aware of such a threat why did our air force respond so poorly (i.e.) not at all?
Or was it just a coincidence? What are the odds that they were coincidentally conducting an exercise on the exact same event that happened the exact same day? Can you imagine how many zeros you'd need to calculate those mind-boggling odds.
4. The collapse of the twin towers themselves seem very strange to me. The official claim is that they collapsed because the jet fuel melted the steel. If that would happen I would expect to see some sagging, maybe a falling over leaning tower of piza type of thing or falling over and yet it collapsed so neatly into it's own footprint. And the other building collapsed the exact same way.
If the jet fuel was responsible for fires that were so hot that it melted the entire steel core of the building...how is it that humans survived in the area of impact of the planes? I'm sure you've all seen pictures of people begging for their lives crawling out of that hole where the plane hit. That should have been the hottest spot of all! And yet we don't see them burning alive. They seem to be okay waiving their shirts etc. until the building starts to collapse It also seems that most of the jet fuel went up in a burst of flames upon impact and the fires inside were almost already under control when the actual collapse happened. Weird, no?
6. Bush's reaction. We all know that when Bush was told "our country is under attack" he was in Florida reading a book about a little goat. He seemed to sit there with the kids and continued reading with them for I think 15 minutes after he KNEW America was under attack.
The most disturbing thing about this is not the callousness of the president that while people are screaming for their lives from the top of that tower he's still sitting reading to little kids...the most disturbing thing to me ...is that if he believed we were under attack by terrorists who hate America and everything we stand for...he should have been scared out of his whitts because he would be the obvious next target for another plane. Who knew what they would do next. Al Queda would know where the President was suposed to be that day. Any sane president would run for his life into some sort of underground bunker but certainly get out of where everyone knew he was going to be. Why didn't he look scared? Why didn't he do anything for 15 minutes? He was even joking around...should he at least have gotten all the kids out of there to protect THEIR safety in case Al Qaeda was going to somehow bomb that school.
This would all make perfect sense if he knew about the attacks and working with Bin Laden (CIA trained and used by the US before in operations against Russia and Serbia I believe)...but makes no sense if we're being attacked by an enemy that we don't know what it will do next.
7. Mainstream news reported that some passports of the terrorists were found in the rubble. How it is that a plane's jet fuel made such a fire as to burn ALL the steel core of WTCs and collapse the entire building in seconds but these passports made it out onto the ground unscathed.
8. Most disturbingly: Guiliani ordered all the rubble from 9-11 almost immediately picked up and dumped and I think it was demolished or thrown in a river. Someone can go and Google and look up exactly what happened to it but it was unavailable for inspection very very quickly.
That was the biggest crime scene of the century. Why the rush to get rid of all the evidence?
Answers to any of these would be greatly appreciated, but I'm looking for facts and logic, not epithets and personal attacks please.
I'm looking for the truth just as you are...hopefully.
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