Nik Was Banned

[MarZutra]

So because elitists are ruining America automatically means that anything one chooses to think about them may be true?

There are people who say that America's elitists are conspiring with space aliens and are covering up Roswell, Area 51, etc. There are people who say that America's elitists do the bidding of the Mossad. There are people who say that America's elitists have invented the Holocaust.

You can't just believe whatever you want because Bush is bad. That is no argument.

Did I ever mention any of that lunacy?  NO.  Please do not take me as an ignoramus, fool or a wackjob...that my friend would be a big mistake and totally incorrect.... 

You continue your blind following of another Establisment pawn and see where it takes you........ 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

What "Establishment pawn" am I blindly following?

Are you trying to say that I am a Bush-lover or what? Show me where I expressed support for Jorge Wahhabi Bush even once.

[MarZutra]

Not at all, I'm simply stating that McCain and Obama are BOTH Establishment and both frauds of the same corrupt criminal cartel...  That IS what I'm saying...   No UFO's, No martians abducting people, no Mossad or Jewish World domination etc.  Simply stating the facts... to which I don't expect to be condemned for simply holding my reservations based on knowledge not some wacked out theory...

[Lisa]

Most people here are not fans of Bush, Obama, or McCain.

[MarZutra]

Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity...  Was she/he correct? 

[MarZutra]

I came back to this forum, probably as a detested individual like MassuhD and a few others, but as Rabbi Kahane himself often stated "I'm not here to impress people or make people like me, I'm here to make people think...." 

[muman613]

Marz,

Your entitled to believe anything you want, including that the martians have taken over the world... That is not my business. I dont think Bush was behind 9/11 and there is no evidence that he did. If you dont care who wins why are you visiting the Jews Against Obama forum? I dont have time to argue with people who hate America. I work too hard to make America a great country to worry about those who are trying to destroy it.

Where do you stand... It sounds like you really dont care about America and will not do your part to make it better. I am a contributing member of society and have a lot to lose in the coming election. I will do what I can to prevent Obama from getting close to the White House. It sounds like some are only going to complain.

muman613

Sorry if you find this "offending" but I am totally disgusted by your ignorance and insults.  I not once mentioned any belief whatsoever about Martians or Bush being directly involved with 911.  Just because one holds reservations and is fairly well researched in history does NOT make one "hate" America.  Hate the Elitists that are ruining America is one thing by they are NOT America.  Please reconsider your accusations. 

Your specific closing paragraph concludes to me your total ignorance in the political realities...  Please do not insult my intelligence by making incinuations that someone who is not a RINO or a blind follower of any defunct political pawn is anti-American.  Perhaps if you read many of my past posts you will conclude quite the opposite.....  Believe me, I'm one of the biggest supporters of America on this forum.  Ask any of the long time postors...

Two questions:

A) Are you going to vote in 2008?

B) Who are you voting for?

muman613

PS: I was not implying you believed in the UFOs and other things. I am just saying that complaining about the powers that be doesnt really accomplish much. I have said what I needed to say about how I feel about this government. I did not vote for Bush in 2000 nor did I vote for him in 2004. But I am glad that the person I voted for didnt win... Does anyone think Gore would have be better? Now I don't...

I vote for the party which I think will do the best good, or the least harm. I am not a right wing conservative and find McCain to agree on many policies. But there will always be differences.

[MarZutra]

A. No and B. Will back in Israel....  In all honesty, it is a very sad situation.  There is absolutely no candidtate.  Any Establishment candidate that is chosen/selected/voted in is simply following a protocol that has been active since Woodrow Wilson and more specifically FDR. 

Like it or not there, like in Israel, must be political reforms which Rabbi Kahane wrote a good work on....  

[Lisa]

Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity...  Was she/he correct?

Marzutra, you know very well that we're no fans of McCain.  We are adamantly against Barack Hussein Obama.  Therefore, we're supporting McCain as the lesser of the evils.  Now you might not see much of a difference, but I disagree.  

If Obama becomes our next President, you can be sure he'll use the race card on anyone who dares disagree with, or who opposes him.  And the Republicans are too spineless and too stupid to go after him and tear him down as he so much deserves.  

[takebackourtemple]

   I have not read through all 5 pages of this, but I take the responsibility for this. This is the first user that I have ever banned. Technically I just reinstated an existing ban which had expired. I banned him because he was spamming our forum with extremely long posts. I see that some people feel more strongly about the ban than I do, so I'll let Admin and the other Mods sort this out.

[MarZutra]

Yes Lisa, I do but following my receipt of a pm stating contra I must consider this information.  I didn't say that I didn't disagree with you Lisa.  Perhaps, as you state, is 100% truthful and planned from the get go as a political tactic? 

Now that is something that I've considered for a long time.  The difference is how fast the agenda will progress.  If one researches the facts behind many Presidents, similar to Israel, the most deprave things have occured under the watch of the so-called "right wing" representatives while the open criminalities and socialist progressions have contiued unabated under the "Left Wing". 

As a matter of fact Dr. Eugene Narrett from Www.IsraelEndTimes.Com has written an article about the possibilites/tactics/schema that you specifically state.....   

Like you, it is a no brainer who to actually vote for, but will your vote actually mean anything....  That is the point I'm trying to get accross...   

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity...  Was she/he correct? 

Perhaps this person was purposely misleading you or has an axe to grind.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There is a lot of specious reasoning going on here. Let me address two forms of it:

a: The fact that some conspiracies are real is not a blank-check to make up whatever you want and pass it off as true. We can't just invent our own realities. The fact that there are evil multinational schemes, often right before our eyes, isn't license to uncritically accept every crackpot's version of history and current events. One does not logically follow the other. The facts that (a) Bush is part of the NWO, and (b) that he is pro-Muslim and wants to legalize all the illegals, do not automatically validate (c), that he is behind 9/11. Several of you are arguing just that, though, in conflict with both observable facts and common sense.

CF, this is the key point in this whole debate.   I don't have much time for this now, but you have hit the nail on the head.    One cannot say "There are nefarious conspiracies among the establishment - Therefore Bush did 9/11. "
Or, "Bush is a bad guy and a stooge Therefore Bush did 9/11. "     Or, "The Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the country shortly after 9/11 Therefore Bush did 9/11. ."     

Either there's proof or there isn't.   Circumstantial aspersions don't mean anything.   The overwhelming proof is that this was an Islamic jihad.   The overwhelming proof is that the buildings collapsed due to the scientific explanation and NOT due to controlled demolition.  The overwhelming evidence proves that there was NOT controlled demolition of a SINGLE building on 9/11.    If one doesn't like those facts, too bad.  If one wishes it was the "evil cabal" behind 9/11 rather than just angry Jew-hating and infidel-hating upper middle class raghead jihadists working for al qaeda, TOO BAD.    If you want to tell me the "war on terror" is a sham, ok... It is.   It should have been a war on Islam.  If you don't like Bush's response and his letting the Saudi regime off the hook for anything it feels like doing, OK I agree.  That doesn't mean he did 9/11.

[MarZutra]

Like "Global Warming"?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Like "Global Warming"?

No, there is not overwhelming proof one way or the other.  And this is a THEORETICAL subject.  Not hard science.   This is an absurd comparison.    You knew that, so I wonder why bother saying it?

[MarZutra]

Not an absurd comparison whatsoever.  In many ways very comparable....

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Not an absurd comparison whatsoever.  In many ways very comparable....

No it isn't.   9/11 is something that happened and left evidence as well as video footage.   Global warming is something that some people PREDICT will happen, based on weather patterns.   That you compare the two shows you are delusional and refuse to accept the truth if it contradicts your preconceptions.

If you have something of substance to say, then say it.  Your winky winky face and vague insinuations to confuse people with false comparisons add nothing to this conversation.

[Muck DeFuslims]

There is a lot of specious reasoning going on here. Let me address two forms of it:

a: The fact that some conspiracies are real is not a blank-check to make up whatever you want and pass it off as true. We can't just invent our own realities. The fact that there are evil multinational schemes, often right before our eyes, isn't license to uncritically accept every crackpot's version of history and current events. One does not logically follow the other. The facts that (a) Bush is part of the NWO, and (b) that he is pro-Muslim and wants to legalize all the illegals, do not automatically validate (c), that he is behind 9/11. Several of you are arguing just that, though, in conflict with both observable facts and common sense.

CF, this is the key point in this whole debate.   I don't have much time for this now, but you have hit the nail on the head.    One cannot say "There are nefarious conspiracies among the establishment - Therefore Bush did 9/11. "
Or, "Bush is a bad guy and a stooge Therefore Bush did 9/11. "     Or, "The Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the country shortly after 9/11 Therefore Bush did 9/11. ."     

Either there's proof or there isn't.   Circumstantial aspersions don't mean anything.   The overwhelming proof is that this was an Islamic jihad.   The overwhelming proof is that the buildings collapsed due to the scientific explanation and NOT due to controlled demolition.  The overwhelming evidence proves that there was NOT controlled demolition of a SINGLE building on 9/11.    If one doesn't like those facts, too bad.  If one wishes it was the "evil cabal" behind 9/11 rather than just angry Jew-hating and infidel-hating upper middle class raghead jihadists working for al qaeda, TOO BAD.    If you want to tell me the "war on terror" is a sham, ok... It is.   It should have been a war on Islam.  If you don't like Bush's response and his letting the Saudi regime off the hook for anything it feels like doing, OK I agree.  That doesn't mean he did 9/11.

C.F, Kahane-Was-Right BT:

Excellent posts, guys.

It's nice to see logical, well written responses to the insanity that's been propagated on this forum.

Thanks, and keep up the good work.

[Americanhero1]

Everyone should just move on

[SavetheWest]

That the earth is warming and that carbon levels are increasing are completely scientifically proven and no scientist disputes those facts.  The why is what has not been proven and is up for debate in the scientific community.

[Shlomo]

I do not want people slamming on Nik, PERIOD.

If he is a Rabbi - if he isn't... who are you to say? If you cannot prove the words you say in any way, then to quote opinion as fact is gossip and it is completely forbidden by G-d in the Torah for us to do such a thing. This is lashon hora.

He's a Jew who loves Israel, loves the Jewish people, loves the Torah, and obviously has his own opinions. We are commanded not to slander another Jew such as this so it stops now. And G-d help you if he really is a Rabbi because you will have to answer to Hashem. Nik never meant to harm a soul and only did this because he believes this stuff is true and cares. Yes, he broke the rules. Yes, his stuff sounded crazy to me... but it's just not right to use him as a punching bag so that yet another person can be cursed at like a bad jerry springer episode. I mean, what is this? Is this necessary? Actually... it's just cruel... and you know how I feel about people who are cruel.

I was not aware that Nik was banned until just this afternoon. I know the person who banned him would only do so under tough circumstances. Nik is not our enemy. He broke the rules (which is his fault) but it is very unfortunate that he was banned. I disagreed with him but I still think he is a good Jew.

No more.

-Shlomo

[Rubystars]

Thank you Shlomo. I agree with your comments. I'm going to lock this thread if it's ok with you.