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Haredims and Kahanists ?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
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How is that a secular approach? Who says that religiosity is excluded by having such an approach?
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This is actually a good approach to learning Talmud well.
The One and Only Mo:
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--- Quote from: Christian Zionist on December 05, 2009, 05:21:58 PM ---I heard that the Heredim has little knowledge of the Tanach and seldom read it. Is that true?
Also another question: Do they participate in Israel's compulsory military services?
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Chareidi women know it very well, in most cases better than Chareidi men. Because Charedi men's education is more focused on Talmud, while the women learn more on the Torah portion and more in Tanach. But the men do know those things as well (obviously the Torah portion because it is a mitzvah to read it several times with commentary each week). Maybe they are not as well versed in Tanach, that is likely true. But the Dati Leumi communities incorporated Tanach learning more into their yeshiva system so they are stronger there if less capable in Talmud relative to Charedim. But this is only speaking in generalities. There will always be exceptions to these general rules, there will be certain people who excel in all of these subjects and can become leaders of communities due to their expertise.
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There isn't Talmud learning without AT LEAST a somewhat strong background in written law.
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Written Law, yes. Tanach, not so much.
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Tanach includes the 5 books of Moses. Maybe you guys are referring to Nach.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
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Tanach includes the 5 books of Moses. Maybe you guys are referring to Nach.
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Yes I was referring to Naviim and Ketuvim mostly. I figured that is what he meant.
The One and Only Mo:
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--- Quote ---Written Law, yes. Tanach, not so much.
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Tanach includes the 5 books of Moses. Maybe you guys are referring to Nach.
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Yes I was referring to Naviim and Ketuvim mostly. I figured that is what he meant.
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Regardless, they learn enough of it and know plenty. Not to mention, a lot of it is already used in the Talmud.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
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--- Quote ---Written Law, yes. Tanach, not so much.
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Tanach includes the 5 books of Moses. Maybe you guys are referring to Nach.
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Yes I was referring to Naviim and Ketuvim mostly. I figured that is what he meant.
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Regardless, they learn enough of it and know plenty. Not to mention, a lot of it is already used in the Talmud.
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I think what they learn of it is mostly as kids, and you don't retain that much knowledge of it. The more operational knowledge is of talmud, the mode the yeshiva switches to at rather young age nowadays. You can't learn all your nach from Talmud and say that that is sufficient or adequate knowledge of those texts. (Although some will say "that's all you need to know!" - I don't think that's an intellectually honest position.) Nonetheless, the women know tanach rather well. And of course there are always exceptions. But for sure, the zionist yeshivot incorporated the tanach study for a reason.. Because it was lacking in the yeshivot. It is not a main focus. Some lament this, others celebrate it, others perhaps are indifferent or don't realize things can be different or don't find them worth changing even if they don't like it entirely.
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