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JTFrulz:
We all know that the only TRUE and LEGITIMATE representatives of the KAHANIST
movement in Israel are Noam Federman and Baruch Marzel.

While they may not agree on the issue of ELECTIONS, they do not hide their opinions
and are being TRUTHFUL.

Yekutiel is a distinguished person but he is FAR from being truthful.

Yekutiel says he is against elections but in fact he WORKED FOR Yissrael Cohen
and Michael Kleiner AGAINST Baruch Marzel.

Yekutiel says he is close to Noam Federman but he always accuses him of being
a Shabak Agent.

Yekutiel says he is represents KAHANISM but he did nothing to spread RABBI KAHANE works
since BINYAMIN KAHANE was shot by muslim terrorists. UNLESS you consider training dogs
or opening up Internet Coffee Shop.

I know nothing of REVAVA excluding their failed attempt to go to Temple Mount.

I know nothing of David HaIvri except he continued BINYAMIN KAHANE work on the
Darka Shel Torah and spreading RABBI KAHANE books together with LENNY GOLDBERG.
I wonder why Yekutiel was not the one to take over the project from the beginning.

I also see David HaIvri does not respond to wicked language against him and that may mean
he is a true JEW who hears insults and remains silent just as Noam Federman does when he
is being accused by wicked opportunists and slanderers from his own camp.

JTF should support the ones who are TRUTHFUL ,for TRUTHFULLNESS is the main value
RABBI KAHANE viewed as a test if a person is being rightworthy of the title PROUD JEW.

kman123:
your right JTFRULZ you indeed know nothing.

Im just guessing you dont live in Israel because you would know that there is NO kahane movement it isnt headed by marzel, federman or ben gvir because it doesnt exist.

there is a memorial once a year and marzel comes to plug why he should be elected and federman talks about taking down the state and everyone basically says the same thing year after year. thats the extent of the movement.

as far as yekutiel I know that he has been publishing books like revolution or referendum, 40 years and others in hebrew and english as well as the voice of judea, and recently took over the darka shel torah thank god after it didnt get published for quite some time, he has aranged the biggest kahane event ever when he organized the hachnasat sefer torah on the tapuach hill, he ran and continues to run the national referendum campaign and many more projects all in addition to the life saving dog project.  i could go on but im not here to plug him.
as far as the elections from what i understand he didnt vote but he helped kleiner with advertising because he thought it was very noble of him to put pinner who was an inmate on his list. in fact the day before the elections yekutiel aproached kleiner and asked him if he would be interested in putting pinner at the number 1 position on his list and he said that he would do that but marzel on the other hand when approached with the same proposal declined.

Yekutiel:
JTFrulz wrote:
"Yekutiel is a distinguished person but he is FAR from being truthful."

Actually I always thought that I was not that distinguished but I am truthful. And if you wish to attack my truth, please try and substantiate the claim. If I have made mistakes, I will try and correct it.

JT..wrote:
"Yekutiel says he is against elections but in fact he WORKED FOR Yissrael Cohen
and Michael Kleiner AGAINST Baruch Marzel."

I never said I was against elections. I said that ideologically I am probabaly closer to Federman than HaIVri. That includes many aspects of ideology. As far as elections I am not in either camp. I think that good Jews should use any tool at their disposal to save Jewish lives. I really doubt that any great salvation will, in the end come from Knesset. Yet that does not mean that certain good people wont do certain life saving things if elected. And so I might help Marzel and Kleiner and Feiglin maybe even Efi Eitam, if he keeps it up, but overall I dont see that corrupt institution saving am Yisrael, at this point...

JTF...writes:
"Yekutiel says he is close to Noam Federman but he always accuses him of being
a Shabak Agent."

That is absolutely false. I am not close to Federman. I work with him from time to time on common goals. I do see him as a friend and an ally. But we are not close and I do not say that we are. I invited him to speak at the Judean conference, I have supplied him with guard dogs. I have made a protest on his behalf when he was in prison. He is a friend and I appreciate much of his work for prisoners etc...

I DO NOT SAY THAT HE IS A SHIN BET AGENT. I do say that he says that when he was a youth 17-18 that he worked as some sort of double agent feeding the police disinformation. That is what he says. I do not believe that he has worked with or for the authorities in any capacity since then and I dont say that he is an agent. At the same time, I would never suggest to Kahane people to play the double agent stuff, because I think anything we say to the authorities, even if we work 100 percent within the law, can and will be used against us. Noam was young, and for all I know he really succeeded as a double agent. I would not and have not said that he is an agent. And it is wrong and misleading to say that this is what I have said. Federman is a good Jew. I dont have to agree with his style and everything he says. Nor do I have to agree with his decision to feed misinformation to the authorities when he was 17.

JTF says:
Yekutiel says he represents KAHANISM but he did nothing to spread RABBI KAHANE works
since BINYAMIN KAHANE was shot by muslim terrorists. UNLESS you consider training dogs
or opening up Internet Coffee Shop.

I dont say I represent Kahanism. I say that I am continuing some of the vital programs that Rav Kahane started, which others have aborted. I do say that Rav Kahane was right. I do say that I believe the Kahane ideas and programs to be the only ones that could save Israel.

What is the difference what you say or think or what I say? The US state dept seems to think that I am continuing Kahanism and they have inlcuded any group i ever started regardless of the groups stated purpose to be classified as a Kahane terrorist group, see today's news once again. The Israelis seem to feel that my work is more Kahanism than anyone elses. When was teh last time you saw teh Israeli police close down a Kahane person's private business? The Israeli highcourt upholds the closure of the kennels and the cafe because "they are continuing the Kahane legacy" see high court decisions. So maybe you can convince them that I am not Kahanist and maybe they can permit me to open a business and do the defense work that I had set out to do...

The Voice of Judea continues to publish writings of Rav Kahane. And I never stopped publishing Rav Kahane's works.

JTF... writes:
I know nothing of David HaIvri except he continued BINYAMIN KAHANE work on the
Darka Shel Torah and spreading RABBI KAHANE books together with LENNY GOLDBERG.
I wonder why Yekutiel was not the one to take over the project from the beginning.

I was. I was one of the cofounders of the parsha newsletter. And I was in the states when Rav Binyamin was killed. The moment I came back to Israel, I was asked to lead the local activities and parsha newsletter, and I continued to make sure the page came out on track. The moment I saw problems I stepped in...

I also see David HaIvri does not respond to wicked language against him and that may mean
he is a true JEW who hears insults and remains silent just as Noam Federman does when he
is being accused by wicked opportunists and slanderers from his own camp.

I have not heard any allegations leveled against Noam. As far as HaIvri, I am not bothered why he does not answer the allegations raised against him. I am bothered why he does not answer false allegations made by his puppet and pet moderator Elisha against others. It is HaIvri's group and his forum and he has someone doing his dirty work and saying the sickest Loshon Horah about others and does not say anything nor does he prevent his moderator from doing that, nor does he permit myself and others to answer the trash. So that is his briliant way of not answering? I see...He bans JTF, Kahane.org and dozens of people - mamash a righteous bastion of democracy, that Revava democratic Republic.

Jtfconcludes:
JTF should support the ones who are TRUTHFUL ,for TRUTHFULLNESS is the main value
RABBI KAHANE viewed as a test if a person is being rightworthy of the title PROUD JEW.

Fair enough so let us be honest and stop misquoting.

Yekutiel:
In reply to Kman:

Kman, as for you final statement:

"So there is no black and white between Kach and Kahane Chai. Today the two camps blend. What ideology do you believe JTF has? They support both Marzel and Federman. Chaim has said The Chayil Party is a good idea as is The State of Judea."

I do not think the ideologies blend nor do i think the tactics blend. I think there are common goals and i think people need to bury their egos to see how to help each other on common goals.

There is ideology and there is execution and implementation of an ideology. I do not know exactly what Chaim does or exactly what he preaches. I dont think that he is leading some sort of program in Israel. As for Merzel he has a political party. I have helped him here or there during the elections, but as I said i dont see any great salvation coming from the elections, the knesset or his party... As for Federman, I dont know exactly what programs he is implementing. But if he organizes a program or event that I agree with I will say so, as I have in the past.

When Federmanmade the appeal regarding teh police inaction on the Zada lynching, I praised him and invited him on teh Voice of Judea show. Jews need to be honest and truthful indeed. And when Federman does a good thing, I priase him and offer him a podium to express himself...

 I am focusing on the Kahane referendum program among others because it is clear to me that the Kahane referendum idea is a brilliant idea and it is clear that the current call from the majority of Israelis for a people's commission of inquiry could lead to the type of emergency referendum to save Israel from its corrupt leaders. This is a time for all Kahanists to join forces in trying to guide the righteous anger of the majority of Israelis. The fact that other Kahane people dont see this is beyond me. But I suppose it is ideas like this that differentiate us from the others. And I suppose the "revolution or Referendum" approach scares the regime to the extent that they have taken unprecedented measures against me and those assisting me in these programs and campaigns...

The people of Israel will yet determine their own destiny in spite of the sick leaders in Israel and inspite of the lack of movement in this direction by most Kahane factions...

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Yekutiel on October 18, 2006, 04:44:33 PM --- I am focusing on the Kahane referendum program among others because it is clear to me that the Kahane referendum idea is a brilliant idea and it is clear that the current call from the majority of Israelis for a people's commission of inquiry could lead to the type of emergency referendum to save Israel from its corrupt leaders. This is a time for all Kahanists to join forces in trying to guide the righteous anger of the majority of Israelis. The fact that other Kahane people dont see this is beyond me. But I suppose it is ideas like this that differentiate us from the others. And I suppose the "revolution or Referendum" approach scares the regime to the extent that they have taken unprecedented measures against me and those assisting me in these programs and campaigns...



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Yekutiel dont you see that the Referendum idea is a joke, if the great Rav Kahane wasnt able to accomplish this ideal, then you believe that any one else can? I understand that you want positive change and still belive in the origional Rav Kahane's approach, but we have to see the reality and we have to see that being part of the system and trying to work within ( Marzel) or making a referendum (you) or any other democracy nonsense (as if democracy has any true say in Judaism or that a majority counts).

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