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Yekutiel:
Thanks for the kind words but I do not profess to be a tazdik. I am a simple Jew, who happens to believe with a passion that Rav Kahane was right and that we are heading for destruction, and rapidly running out of time. It is for this reason that I risk arrest and harrassment to speak out on behalf of Jews. I know that what I say and do is legal and I also know that I will be persecuted for it. I am a big boy and i understand the consequences of speaking part of the Torah truth in our generation.
I do not know why I have been singled out to absorb the brunt of the persecution to unprecedented extremes such as the kennel closure and the closure of a personal business. I accept my fate with truel love of the Almighty and am honored to be a target of the forces of darkness.
I see Chaim and Noam and Baruch and HaIvri as friends. At the same time i reserve the right to criticise them if I think they are doing something wrong. I have worked with all of the above on many different fronts, and will continue to work with anyone who shares various goals.
When I mentioned that I do not know the exact programs of Chaim or Noam I meant it in the sense that Merzel has apolitical program to realize parts of his ideology. I have some small programs like the canine unit or the referendum. Publishing and speaking out is wonderful and I applaud all of those who do it. Not everyone is launching specific programs on the ground. I will probabaly be forced to hault most of my programs as well due to lack of funds.I did not mean it as a minus. People do what they can and speaking out is hard enough. Both Noam and Chaim have done plenty of time for deeds and speaking out. I have no problem with that and respect both of them for their dedication and siffering on behalf of the Jewish people.
I mean it is fine to attack Merzel for running for Knesset if that is what some people believe, however, it is an another story entirely when people are given an alternative on theground. I too will probabaly soon limit my activities to speaking out via internet, and through publications. That is risky enough and important enough. I meant no harm when I said that I do not know of any specific progams on the ground that they are leading to implement the ideas. I know that they say good things and support the Judean Initiative and other good programs, but support is not the same as launching programs on theground. There is a need for both and God bless those who have the wisdom and the ability to contribute in speech and in action within existing organizational infratsructures or from without to further common goals.
I sense people mocking Rabbi Kahane's referendum concept. And so let it be clear. The change that we all believe in will come one day. israel will become a Jewish state with pride and Judaism. How will this change come about? Will teh people force it through some sort of peaceful revolution surrounding the Knesset, demanding that change or will it be a bloody overthrow? I dont know. I do know that Rav Kahane wrote and said that he had preferred bringing about that change without a civil war and without bloodshed. I do hope that the warriors on this forum will not be too upset if that change happens to come first through the deligitimizing of the current regime through referendums that prove that the current corrupt regime do not enjoy the support of the majority of Jews in Israel. I do hope that if the referendum brings about that chnage or the beginning of the change that people the Kahanists will not ban the revolutionary changes that the referendum will bring!
It is wonderful to see people attack others, yet I dont see them leading the bloody revolution. It is wonderful to attack the referendom which is a utencil to bring about the proposed changes and to save Jewish lives. As if Rabbi Kahane said that referendum results that vioilates halacha should be followed. As if we follow our parents or an evil king if they tell us to violate halacha. Obviously such a referendum is not followed if the results contradict God's law. That doe snot mean that we dont use Knesset or referendum to try an dbring about the revolutionary changes we all believe in. It also does not mean that "majority rules" has no place in the halachic system. And even if there is no place in the halachic system as a system of government it does not mean the tool cant be used to overthrow the government. Federman, Rav Kahane Merzel Chaim and who not all supported Rav Kahane's runs for Knesset, back then. THUS DEMOCRACY CAN BE USED TO BRING ABOUT THE CHANGE!!
Also let us not confuse the immorality and anti Jewish ethics of democracy with other aspects of majority rule. Yes, Judaism opposes equality for all. Yes other pluralistic values are un and anti-Jewish. This does not mean that a majority of Jews who do or demand the right thing is a bad thing to strive for.
I want the majority of Jews to demand transfer, smashing hizbullah in Lebanon the way the Torah would obligate, not surrendering more land. Ironically, the majority of Israelis said exaclty that during and after the war in Lebanon. IT SEEMS ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND MIND BOGGLING THAT KAHANISTS WOULD SAY "LET US IGNORE THE INCREDIBLE NEW REALITY, AND LET US BABBLE ABOUT A CIVIL WAR THAT WE ARE NOT LEADING ANYHOW" it seems mind boggling and insane that we would not try and durect this new righteous massive protest movement to include real solutions based on faith in God and not in America! Instead we have the media and the leftist interest groups misdirecting the righteous protest into the direction of moronic National Commissions that will never address the real pain of the real pain of the nation an dthe real root of the problem.
And instead of Kahane people joining me to help direct this massive protest movemnt and to demand a referendum that will give a podium to the Jewish alternative and that will reach the correct conclusions, I have people teaching me that democracy is unJewish, as if I dont know that and as if Rav Kahane did not know that. What is the point? Protests that deligitimize the government or that broadcast our views is kosher, internet tirades that broadcast our position is kosher, but trying to mobilize the masses to topple the government peacefully is not????
I SAY WE SHOULD BE LEADING THIS PROTEST MOVEMENT AND SAYING:
YES TO A COMMISSION OF INQUIRY HEADED BY THE NATION AND NOT THE CORRUPT JUDGES!
Investigate the judges, the media together with the corrupt politicians!
For the nation has the right to determine its own destiny- and the judges will not indict themselves!
Only the people will ask the relevant questions, that no state sponsored commission of inquiry will have the guts to ask.
Who gave the legal seal of approval to the corrupt politicians to surrender Lebanon and Gaza?
How much did these land surrenders contribute to the morale of the terrorists?
Did these land surrenders enable the terrorists to kidnap the IDF soldiers and to hit deeper into Israel with their rockets? Were the lands surrendered used as bases of operation enabling the Hizbullah to build bunkers and more effectively kill Jews in Israel?
Who established the code of ethics incorporated into the IDF that brought about the needless death of so many Jews as a result of not attacking terrorists in civilian population centers?
How did the massive resources used to expel Jews last year impact the level of readiness of the IDF to combat the real enemy?
demanding the implementation of the findings of such a referendum that will incorporate the issue of Arab expulsion and annexation of Yesha could be our last chance to bring about the necessary Torah changes, peacefully, before it is too late.
jsullivan:
jdl4ever, don't give me this hypocritical "unity" talk. Yekutiel is the one who split the movement to begin with. We would have real unity today if not for what Yekutiel did.
I'm all for real unity. Not talk, but action.
Also, within Yekutiel's sugarcoated remarks is the claim that he has an action program on the ground and we don't.
It's the other way around. His referendum plan is not serious. THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PUT YEKUTIEL'S REFERENDUM ON THE ISRAELI BALLOT.
JTF - through Noam - distributes many thousands of dollars to Jewish families who live in the Hilltop Youth communities. I don't know if Yekutiel gives them any money - I hope he does. But I do know that many of these Jewish families are greatly helped by our assistance.
THAT IS A PROGRAM ON THE GROUND.
Also, JTF sponsors kollel yeshiva learning at Mearat HaMachpelah in Chevron. Rabbi Alba is giving daily shiurim in Talmud Yerushalmi at the Cave of the Patriachs. Rabbi Alba is a great Jewish hero who served two years in prison for writing that the Torah commands Jews to avenge Arab terrorist attacks. The Rabbi refused to cooperate with Shabak and was thrown in prison. The Rabbi also is one of the great authorities today on Mearat HaMachpelah and has written a very scholarly book on the subject.
JTF COVERS 100% OF THE COSTS OF THESE VITAL TORAH LESSONS THAT WILL, G-D WILLING, CREATE A NEW GENERATION OF HEROIC JEWISH SCHOLARS LIKE RABBI ALBA.
THAT IS A PROGRAM ON THE GROUND.
I could go on and on.
Yekutiel did start his canine program, which is an excellent idea. He deserves credit for that.
Yekutiel is welcome to come here and post his messages. As is Nahum. But if he is going to make certain claims, he should expect that we will respond.
Scriabin:
Forgive my ignorance. Who is Yekutiel?
I'm assuming that we're not speaking of the Rabbi from the first half of the 20th century.
TorahZionist:
--- Quote from: Scriabin on October 19, 2006, 11:42:22 AM ---Forgive my ignorance. Who is Yekutiel?
--- End quote ---
Mike Guzofsky/Yekutiel Ben Yaakov
He runs kahane.org, voiceofjudea.com and the Jewish Legion.
Scriabin:
Is this the same Yekutiel that is posting here?
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