Erica is not here to honestly discuss or debate ANYTHING.
All Erica is here to do is defend evil black behaviour at any cost while claiming not to.
A typical scenario is this:
A poster will give an account of black thugs intimidating people in the subway, gymnasium, mall...whatever. Erica does one or several of the following;
1/ make excuses the dress, language or behaviour of the blacks in question.
2/ claim their behaviour is normal.
3/ imply the poster is irrational for feeling intimidated.
4/ imply the poster is racist for feeling intimidated
5/ claim that non-blacks do the same
6/ claim that the posters are accusing HER of that sort of behaviour
I'm sick and tired of wasting time with her deflections, distortions and curveballs.
I advise all fellow JTFers to ignore her posts unless you enjoy banging your head against a wall and clarifying everything four times because she can't understand (or pretends not to understand) your questions or posts.
Stop being a baby Newman. I asked valid questions. I even said, on the OTHER post that I belive that MOST of the men in question did what the other poster said they did...I just didn't believe that ALL of them did, within the HOUR that 'a certain person' was in the gym with them. The numbers didn't add up. I DID go with the statistics, you're just angry that I didn't agree with every single thing YOU agreed with. You're pitiful.
I'm not here to be right. Even when you're wrong; for instance telling me and other people that I support evil blacks when I have documented proof of hating them; you never say..."Wow, I didn't read where you said all of that." You just leave the situation blank because you're too proud, or bull-headed to say so.
Ya see, Erica, Newman needs to hate you and needs for you to be evil. He can't stand the fact that there is an intelligent and ethical black person on here. It completely contradicts and destroys the stereotypes he has about black people. It's interesting that Newman and Ze'ev claim to have a problem with black evil behavior where in reality, they have an even bigger problem with blacks being good, smart, and moral people since it completely destroys their presumed stereotypes about black people. So how dare you come onto this forum and show us evidence to the contrary!
Wait, Daniel, that's not altogether true because they DO indeed love "Crazy" Joe Clark and Alan "I kicked my daughter out without a penny to her name because she's gay... that makes me look bad" Keyes.
I love finding good, smart, and moral blacks. It makes my day whenever I meet one and I love meeting them because it means that black people CAN aspire to something higher and they have the possibility of being good people. That is a hopeful notion for me. I would like to believe in free will and self-determination although sometimes it is hard to keep faith in that. Also, finding good, moral, and intelligent black people doesn't "completely destroy" any "stereotypes" about black people whatsoever. There are good, moral, and intelligent blacks, but unfortunately not all or even most of them are this way. It is possible for both types of blacks to exist simultaneously, Daniel. They are not mutually exclusive, this is faulty reasoning. The problem I have with Erica is not that she is a moral, intelligent, or good person, I actually appreciate all those qualities in her to some extent. The problem is that much of the time she makes excuses and justifies evil behavior.
You're very presumptive Daniel and you seem to be very arrogant when you state things like "he thinks" or "he can't stand" when you don't even know me or newman very well. You show your ignorance very well.
Ze'ev, I'm oh,so tired of repeating myself over and over again so you'll have to refresh my memory on what I'm excusing or justifying in evil behavior.
You get angry when I say that classical music isn't everyone's bag, then assume that people don't like it because of black hip-hop culture. Before there was hip hop, there were people who thought classical music was lame. How do you explain that?
The only thing I'm even remotely defending is the right for others to like what they like. I can't stand evil hip hop music; in fact I hate it. Mostly because I CAN'T (edit for spelling) defend it. Its stupid,there's nothing good about it. But because I like good hip hop, I'm using excuses?
Tell me, Ze'ev what else do I defend...because I'm pretty sure you passed over that post I dedicated wholey to you where I found EVERY time I spoke against evil blacks. You'd LIKE to think I'm the way you want me to be because I'm black and participation in any kind of black culture.
I don't get angry when you say that classical music isn't everyone's bag. I get fed up when you don't realize that black culture, music, "entertainment" and "morals" are driving down those respective areas of American society. I get fed up when you can't understand this, and you say things like "classical music isn't everyone's bag". That's not the point, I'm not talking about musical taste. I find it hard for you to believe that I actually think that people don't like classical music BECAUSE of hip-hop. Like hip-hop singlehandedly destroyed many people's chances of ever liking classical music and it was the ONLY cause of this. This is such a simpleminded view and I can't even believe that anyone could think that someone else holds it. It's like I need to spell everything out for you because you can't even understand basic concepts. The point is that while hip-hop of course isn't the only cause of lowered standards when it comes to American musical tastes, it's a BIG cause. Let's forget about classical music, I never even said that people liked classical music BEFORE hip-hop ever came to existence, the situation then was just as bad as it is now. Young people in the 60s and 70s DID listen to fantastic music, such as the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, Emerson Lake and Palmer, the Doors, and other classic rock groups. This music was some of the most popular music of the time, and it was GREAT. That's because we didn't have people's standards driven down by rap crap. The black music that was made at the time was GREAT, so it didn't lower people's standards. But unforunately, soul and R&B aren't a predominant part of young black culture anymore. When hip-hop started becoming popular, standards were driven down very low, and hip-hop is one of the most popular forms of music now in the U.S. and standards have hit rock bottom. Hip-hop DID have a hand in driving ignorant people's standards down, because now they think that HIP-HOP IS THE ONLY MUSIC THERE IS. I hear people say stupid things like "I need to be able to dance to it" or "It needs to have a good beat" or "it needs to have 'dope' lyrics" or "it's gotta have a lot of bass". These are new lowered standards that HIP-HOP helped to put in place. If you try to play a piece of jazz or classical music to the average young person of yesteryear, chances are they would at least be able to appreciate it. If you played some decent music to the typical person of today, they wouldn't be able to listen to it and they wouldn't even think of it as music because it doesn't have some jungle beat with thumping bass and some savage screaming in the background.
