Should marijuana be unbanned?

[Ulli]

In my oppinion, the main problem with marihuana ia, that it makes you passive and lazy. The most muslimes smoke marihuana. It is the right for them, but this drug don't fit into my christian culture.

[MarZutra]

Of course it should not be unbanned.  My cousin is a dope head and I, for one, like to see drug dealers sent over to Iraq or Afghanistan to spend their days getting high before their beheading... 

[Joe Schmo]

Of course it should not be unbanned.  My cousin is a dope head and I, for one, like to see drug dealers sent over to Iraq or Afghanistan to spend their days getting high before their beheading... 

How do you feel about alcohol?

[Eugene]

NO way, drug addicts are a waste of space. A 5 cent bullet is all they need. 

What's your point?  There are millions of marijuana users out there today who use marijuana despite the fact that it's illegal.  How many people would say "oh, now that marijuana is legal, I'll use it."  The sanctions that are imposed for the use of marijuana are so weak anyway that they don't deter anyone from using it. 

My point is clear, drug addicts should be shot. Marijuana is an illegal drug. It can't get any clearer than that.

Should alcoholics be shot?  Why should marijuana be illegal while alcohol is legal?  The point is what SHOULD be, not what IS.

Alcoholism is a medical disease, friggin drug addicts are a social disgrace and no medical basis for their beginning.

They cause crime, and sbusive behaivour, its black culture infecting the west, and needs to be stopped.

These people are virus apon this earth and need to be removed.

I take it you are a pot head yourself?

It should be unbanned but only for those people who then dont go in to heavy drugs those people who is using heavy drugs all the drugs should be banned. Remember that whead not only damage but also heal

[MarZutra]

Alchohol is an entirely different matter.  One can drink a number of drinks and still be coherant while one joint, with whatever drug inside, renders MOST people incoherant.  Actually, dope is more harsh and more toxic on ones lungs than tobacco...  There are many different aspects one can state on this subject.  A glass of wine, beer, scotch, rum compares in no way to one joint......imo

[Joe Schmo]

Alchohol is an entirely different matter.  One can drink a number of drinks and still be coherant while one joint, with whatever drug inside, renders MOST people incoherant.  Actually, dope is more harsh and more toxic on ones lungs than tobacco...  There are many different aspects one can state on this subject.  A glass of wine, beer, scotch, rum compares in no way to one joint......imo

Drunk drivers kill many innocent people.

Alcohol makes people more AGGRESSIVE.  Cannabis makes people more PASSIVE.

It may be that people under the influence of cannabis cause auto accidents, but the kind of accidents that come from being too cautious...not too aggressive.

[Dan]

I'm curious to know what most of our members think?
I personally think that 'pot' is a gateway drug to other more potent and lethal drugs... I have tyred it once or twice in the past, but I found nothing interesting or beneficial form it. I'll never try or recommend it to anyone!

[Kiwi]

In my oppinion, the main problem with marihuana ia, that it makes you passive and lazy. The most muslimes smoke marihuana. It is the right for them, but this drug don't fit into my christian culture.

Bingo. The mullahs spend their lives lighting that up. And when did we become Mullahs?

And I am sure G-d never told us to get stoned. And supporting something to goes against gods word is not being a true follower of G-d.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I once asked a Rav if its allowed and he said no, but the reason why no is becuase its the Din Malhut Din- the Law of the Government is the law. In other words since it is illegal according to the laws of the Unites States one cant use it. - I would assume that one technically would be allowed if it becomes legal (allthough those who are lenient in regard to health would maybe allow rare consumption as long as one doesnt damage himself)- allthough this would probably be rejected by the majority, just as the ban on Cigareets has been put, and a Jew cant start smoking.

[MarZutra]

I'm curious to know what most of our members think?
I personally think that 'pot' is a gateway drug to other more potent and lethal drugs... I have tyred it once or twice in the past, but I found nothing interesting or beneficial form it. I'll never try or recommend it to anyone!

Yes, I agree...  no question...

[kellymaureen]

No it shouldnt be, its not a harmless drug, and I agree, gateway to harder drugs.

[Raulmarrio2000]

I think cannabis should be legal for those who wish to use it. It's not more harmfull than tobacco and alcohol. And anyway, what's the problem with drugs? As far as the adult person knows the risks.... Let them decide their fate.
In Let-be-land all drugs are legal, but everyone is strongly discouraged to use them. However we can't save our citizens from Argentinian prisons in case any of them would some day happen to take a drug, saddly.

[MarZutra]

I think cannabis should be legal for those who wish to use it. It's not more harmfull than tobacco and alcohol. And anyway, what's the problem with drugs? As far as the adult person knows the risks.... Let them decide their fate.
In Let-be-land all drugs are legal, but everyone is strongly discouraged to use them. However we can't save our citizens from Argentinian prisons in case any of them would some day happen to take a drug, saddly.

I disagree with you 110%.  It is far more harmful than tobacco and most assuradly alcohol.  There are so many problems with drugs, just look at any innercity or most of those "idols" people worship on the television.  I'm sure Robert Downey Jr. would be able to answer this or perhaps John Belushi...  Sadly, if people wish to use drugs than let them foot their own medical bills when they get sick or hurt.  Let them be fully responsible for breaking into peoples homes or shoplifting to cater their fix.  Here in Canada we, as the Socialist tax payer, foots their bills.  They get sick from their choosing to do drugs, or harm someone else and we foot the bills....  Sorry brother, I must disagree... 

Perhaps their might be one country where it is legal, Holland, and all the pot heads and meth addicts can move there?

[Ehud]

No it shouldnt be, its not a harmless drug, and I agree, gateway to harder drugs.

One of the main reasons it's considered to be a "gateway drug" is because it IS illegal, therefore in order to get it you have to go to criminals who sell the stuff and who either sell other and more harmful drugs, or know people who do.  Because marijuana IS illegal, it forces those who want to obtain it to meddle with the criminal underworld, who could push them into doing more harmful drugs.  Not only drugs, but gangs also control parts of the drug economy, so drug use could lead one into gang and other criminal activity.  If marijuana was legal, these people would be out of business.  We would shut down the mexican marijuana trafficking overnight.  It would be a huge blow to criminals and gangs because they wouldn't be able to profit from marijuana anymore.  If it was legal, the people who wanted to use it could obtain it through lawful means, they wouldn't have to meet any criminals to get it, and they wouldn't have that open gateway to more hardcore drugs that they have now. 

[MasterWolf1]

I think it should be banned,  potheads are so screwed up.  They use pot to get themselves out of their reality.  

[Ehud]

I think it should be banned,  potheads are so screwed up.  They use pot to get themselves out of their reality. 

And what aspect of pot being illegal prevents them from doing that?

[MasterWolf1]

Pot is nothing more then a temp high.  And a temp escape from reality.  You see that drug use is legal in places like the Netherland and they are doped out.  Young kids who are vast in space on it.

And here is the dangers of pot.

http://life.familyeducation.com/substance-abuse/resource/29881.html

[Ehud]

Pot is nothing more then a temp high.  And a temp escape from reality.  You see that drug use is legal in places like the Netherland and they are doped out.  Young kids who are vast in space on it.

And here is the dangers of pot.

http://life.familyeducation.com/substance-abuse/resource/29881.html

Marijuana use is lower in the Netherlands than it is in the United States.

[jsullivan]

I can't believe that on a Kahanist Torah forum, people are supporting legalization of narcotics.

In every European country where drugs have been legalized, there are now hundreds of thousands of white European drug addicts. Legalizing drugs legitimizes drugs and makes people feel that society accepts drug use. In England, when heroin was made readily available for use legally, within a short period of time, there were ten times as many heroin addicts as there had been before. In Holland, they started with legalizing marijuana and it led to a huge drug culture that now exists. Giving young people the legal "green light" to use narcotics of any type is extremely dangerous and always harmful.

[MasterWolf1]

http://www.fims.uwo.ca/newmedia2005/default.asp?id=125

And here is more on Teens and Pot.  If you legalize it would you tell kids and teens go ahead?  I have seen what potheads are like.  Many of em are pretty sad cases, they use this high to escape "pressure".  But once the high goes that pressure is still there, so what they do? Smoke up again.  It turns into a cycle.  Me personally I rather have a leveled head on everything I do.  I have never touched pot and besides it stinks.

[jsullivan]

The legalization of drugs is one of the reasons European family life and morality has completely broken down.

In New York City, Mayor Giuliani ordered a crackdown on all drug use and all drug sales. Even marijuana use was a "quality of life" crime, and Giuliani ordered the police to arrest the users and the small time dealers. This decision was one of the reasons for the huge drop in crime in New York. Once you surrender to drug use and the drug culture, it leads to a breakdown of all morality and public order.

[ftf]

The legalization of drugs is one of the reasons European family life and morality has completely broken down.

In New York City, Mayor Giuliani ordered a crackdown on all drug use and all drug sales. Even marijuana use was a "quality of life" crime, and Giuliani ordered the police to arrest the users and the small time dealers. This decision was one of the reasons for the huge drop in crime in New York. Once you surrender to drug use and the drug culture, it leads to a breakdown of all morality and public order.

They aren't legal in the UK, yet...

[jsullivan]

The legalization of drugs is one of the reasons European family life and morality has completely broken down.

In New York City, Mayor Giuliani ordered a crackdown on all drug use and all drug sales. Even marijuana use was a "quality of life" crime, and Giuliani ordered the police to arrest the users and the small time dealers. This decision was one of the reasons for the huge drop in crime in New York. Once you surrender to drug use and the drug culture, it leads to a breakdown of all morality and public order.

They aren't legal in the UK, yet...

Heroin addicts were able to legally obtain heroin at "clinics". That is a form of legalization which backfired disastrously in the UK.

[MarZutra]

I can't believe that on a Kahanist Torah forum, people are supporting legalization of narcotics.

In every European country where drugs have been legalized, there are now hundreds of thousands of white European drug addicts. Legalizing drugs legitimizes drugs and makes people feel that society accepts drug use. In England, when heroin was made readily available for use legally, within a short period of time, there were ten times as many heroin addicts as there had been before. In Holland, they started with legalizing marijuana and it led to a huge drug culture that now exists. Giving young people the legal "green light" to use narcotics of any type is extremely dangerous and always harmful.

Now this I totally agree with.  There are many independant studies that show dope is far more toxic than tobacco and too alcohol.  Dope is a gateway drug, my cousin who is a pot head says so but he chooses to smoke it and too wishes it to be legal.  Being a "gateway" drug has nothing to do with it being illegal, if one looks at every society today that has it legalized there has been a mass explosion of pot heads and with it meth, opium, cocaine, heroine addicts, crime, "safe" parks where aids infested needle droppers sleep or OD, red light districts, prostitution....  Legalization of drugs is pure insanity...look at the Arab culture and what Hashish (of course Islam didn't help) has done to them or the North American Indians with their "sweet grass".... .

If one is against Arab oil perhaps one too should be against pot, hashish and all opiot products since much of the world supply comes from Lebanon, Afghanistan and many other Muslim and Communist nations...  Good post Jimmy...

[Ulli]

I can't believe that on a Kahanist Torah forum, people are supporting legalization of narcotics.

In every European country where drugs have been legalized, there are now hundreds of thousands of white European drug addicts. Legalizing drugs legitimizes drugs and makes people feel that society accepts drug use. In England, when heroin was made readily available for use legally, within a short period of time, there were ten times as many heroin addicts as there had been before. In Holland, they started with legalizing marijuana and it led to a huge drug culture that now exists. Giving young people the legal "green light" to use narcotics of any type is extremely dangerous and always harmful.

Yes I agree. This drug makes lazy and passive. Thats not for us. Christians and Jews should be active in working and learning. This is our natural strength.