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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
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You're way off base, righteous Christians have every right to criticize the left-wing "Jews", the Christians are being effected by the actions and consequences of those screwed up "Jews" also. When those left wing "Jews" helped put Obama in the White House, the righteous Christians along with the rest of us are all suffering the consequences. They have every RIGHT to criticize them.
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
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PM.
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So you think that people like Norman Finkelstein, Bobby Fischer, or the NK "rabbis" are "holy" and beyond criticism?
For real?
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So you think that people like Norman Finkelstein, Bobby Fischer, or the NK "rabbis" are "holy" and beyond criticism?
For real?
U happen to be Chosen to have the right to do so?
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U happen to be Chosen to have the right to do so?
Huh???
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
1.) A Jew is a Jew, and once again, not all Left-wing Jews know what they're doing. That's why HaShem sent Prophets, in order to make Jews do a Teshuva, tha's why He punishes us.
2.) Christians who support the enemies of HaShem ARE sinning and making a Chilul HaShem, just like any other Gentile who does that.
3.) Are you the lawyer of Christians or a loyal Jew?
I'm stating a simple fact. It's worse for a Jew to against the Torah than it is for a Christian to go against the Torah. Why? CHRISTIANS DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TORAH! Obviously bad Jews are held in a higher regard since more is expected out of them. The world was created for the Jewish people and for Israel, so we are expected to do be GOOD. Don't make excuses for Jews who don't know any better. Murder is murder, man.
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
1.) A Jew is a Jew, and once again, not all Left-wing Jews know what they're doing. That's why HaShem sent Prophets, in order to make Jews do a Teshuva, tha's why He punishes us.
2.) Christians who support the enemies of HaShem ARE sinning and making a Chilul HaShem, just like any other Gentile who does that.
3.) Are you the lawyer of Christians or a loyal Jew?
Disagree. If right wing Jews and religious Jews do not call out and rebuke the evil amongst them, then G-d will leave that up to the heathens and pagans, you are off base here.
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U happen to be Chosen to have the right to do so?
Huh???
It's not your place as a Gentile to criticize, judge and attack Jews, certainely not like you usually do.
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Yes or no: are you saying that Neturei Karta members, Noam Chomsky, and Bobby Fischer should not be criticized? It is a simple question.
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
1.) A Jew is a Jew, and once again, not all Left-wing Jews know what they're doing. That's why HaShem sent Prophets, in order to make Jews do a Teshuva, tha's why He punishes us.
2.) Christians who support the enemies of HaShem ARE sinning and making a Chilul HaShem, just like any other Gentile who does that.
3.) Are you the lawyer of Christians or a loyal Jew?
Disagree. If right wing Jews and religious Jews do not call out and rebuke the evil amongst them, then G-d will leave that up to the heathens and pagans, you are off base here.
The question of what will HaShem do is not for any of us, the Mitzvah is to make do a Teshuvah, that's why Right-wing and Torah Jews are doing this, not from hatred but from Ahavat Israel, and once again, Gentiles are not Commanded to do so and have no right either to do so, the Commandament is for Jews and not Gentiles.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
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I understand what you mean. Jews have greater potential than Gentiles, but most Jews do not live up to it.
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Yes or no: are you saying that Neturei Karta members, Noam Chomsky, and Bobby Fischer should not be criticized? It is a simple question.
I'm saying that these people can be criticized by Jews and shouldn't be criticized (and of coure not attacked like you do) by Gentiles.
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
1.) A Jew is a Jew, and once again, not all Left-wing Jews know what they're doing. That's why HaShem sent Prophets, in order to make Jews do a Teshuva, tha's why He punishes us.
2.) Christians who support the enemies of HaShem ARE sinning and making a Chilul HaShem, just like any other Gentile who does that.
3.) Are you the lawyer of Christians or a loyal Jew?
Disagree. If right wing Jews and religious Jews do not call out and rebuke the evil amongst them, then G-d will leave that up to the heathens and pagans, you are off base here.
The question of what will HaShem do is not for any of us, the Mitzvah is to make do a Teshuvah, that's why Right-wing and Torah Jews are doing this, not from hatred but from Ahavat Israel, and once again, Gentiles are not Commanded to do so and have no right either to do so, the Commandament is for Jews and not Gentiles.
AMERICAN CHRISTIANS have EVERY right to judge terrible Erav Rav. You are not one that should tell them to stop, since you take up for their EVIL.
ERAV RAV
http://www.mishpattsedek.com/Erev-Rav.htm
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Do you have a scriptural source for that?
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Do you have a scriptural source for that?
He has good intentions, there are definitely some sources out there that have his sentiment. But reality is that some Jews today are so [censored] in the head.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
Uhhhhh.....you know that I am a Jew?? YOU have a TERRIBLE attitude. G-d loves a HUMBLE spirit, NOT haughty.
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My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Please have some respect for a right-wing Jewish lady like Paulette.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
I kindly asked you to provide a source for your position.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
There is no Jewish Pride anymore. That's why the world is in the shape it's in. There are so few religious Jews, and so few right-wing Jews. Most Jews don't wear kippahs or do anything. Israel sacrifices it's own people spiritually and physically, and most of them make a mockery out of our religion and the Torah.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
Ron seems to consider Christians as some lower forms of beings. He seems to have a really bad attitude towards Christians which bothers me.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
There is no Jewish Pride anymore. That's why the world is in the shape it's in. There are so few religious Jews, and so few right-wing Jews. Most Jews don't wear kippahs or do anything. Israel sacrifices it's own people spiritually and physically, and most of them make a mockery out of our religion and the Torah.
PM.
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
Ron seems to consider Christians as some lower forms of beings. He seems to have a really bad attitude towards Christians which bothers me.
Too bad I'm not the Crusader-loving kike, is it?
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Left wing Jews (Jews that go against Hashem and the Torah or make a mockery of Hashem and the Torah and endanger lives of Jews) SHOULD be criticized. I'd replace some gentiles with those sinning, low-life, despicable, left-wing pieces of trash. The entire Israeli government, for one. Christians don't get sins for being pro-Palestinian and pro-Arab. Christians aren't expected to create a home that is Terror free and safe for Jews. Christians aren't expected to cherish the life of Jews. Christians aren't supposed to do anything, technically, to help Jews, so obviously it's the Jews who ARE expected to perform and DON'T that are WORSE than even the WORST goyim.
1.) A Jew is a Jew, and once again, not all Left-wing Jews know what they're doing. That's why HaShem sent Prophets, in order to make Jews do a Teshuva, tha's why He punishes us.
2.) Christians who support the enemies of HaShem ARE sinning and making a Chilul HaShem, just like any other Gentile who does that.
3.) Are you the lawyer of Christians or a loyal Jew?
Disagree. If right wing Jews and religious Jews do not call out and rebuke the evil amongst them, then G-d will leave that up to the heathens and pagans, you are off base here.
The question of what will HaShem do is not for any of us, the Mitzvah is to make do a Teshuvah, that's why Right-wing and Torah Jews are doing this, not from hatred but from Ahavat Israel, and once again, Gentiles are not Commanded to do so and have no right either to do so, the Commandament is for Jews and not Gentiles.
AMERICAN CHRISTIANS have EVERY right to judge terrible Erav Rav. You are not one that should tell them to stop, since you take up for their EVIL.
ERAV RAV
http://www.mishpattsedek.com/Erev-Rav.htm
WOOOT U SAY THERE MISSIONERIC FILTH?
I don't support the deeds of he Erev Rav but ANY Jew represents the Creator of the Universe, not only Right-wing and Torahnic (or as some say, "religious", criticism (or in worse cases, such as cursing and attacking Jews, "sluts", "weirdos", "faggots" etc) is CHILUL HASHEM. Ever heard of THIS?
Yes, but the fact is that those Jews bring it on themselves.
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WOOOT U SAY THERE MISSIONERIC FILTH?
I don't support the deeds of he Erev Rav but ANY Jew represents the Creator of the Universe, not only Right-wing and Torahnic (or as some say, "religious", criticism (or in worse cases, such as cursing and attacking Jews, "sluts", "weirdos", "faggots" etc) is CHILUL HASHEM. Ever heard of THIS?
Do you need some medication, man?
You started this thread, in a confrontational tone, and started flaming everybody who questioned you. Nobody responded in anger to you until you started attacking them first. You have viciously attacked a very proud right-wing Jewish lady here who has been one of our most valuable members for a long time, and expect to be treated like nothing happened?
Actually, you've been acting nuts for a month or two now. What's the deal?
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
Uhhhhh.....you know that I am a Jew?? YOU have a TERRIBLE attitude. G-d loves a HUMBLE spirit, NOT haughty.
Aren't you Christian?
G-D doesn't like it when His CHOSEN CHILDREN are being attacked by HAUGHTY GENTILES.
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Too bad I'm not the Crusader-loving kike, is it?
Geez Louise. ::)
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
Ron seems to consider Christians as some lower forms of beings. He seems to have a really bad attitude towards Christians which bothers me.
Too bad I'm not the Crusader-loving kike, is it?
You need help. ::)
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WOOOT U SAY THERE MISSIONERIC FILTH?
I don't support the deeds of he Erev Rav but ANY Jew represents the Creator of the Universe, not only Right-wing and Torahnic (or as some say, "religious", criticism (or in worse cases, such as cursing and attacking Jews, "sluts", "weirdos", "faggots" etc) is CHILUL HASHEM. Ever heard of THIS?
Do you need some medication, man?
You started this thread, in a confrontational tone, and started flaming everybody who questioned you. Nobody responded in anger to you until you started attacking them first. You have viciously attacked a very proud right-wing Jewish lady here who has been one of our most valuable members for a long time, and expect to be treated like nothing happened?
Actually, you've been acting nuts for a month or two now. What's the deal?
I started this thread telling my opinion and people started attacking ME. I flamed nobody.
About your question, I'll answer this tommorow, gotta sleep right now.
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How come you suddenly deleted your YouTube account?
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Ron, you seem to really hate pro-Israel Serbs who sheltered and armed Jews during the Shoah--would you prefer to try to find "allies" within the Albanians and Croats?
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Gentiles here should stop getting themeselves to the wrong level and stop attacking Left-wing Jews, there are still Chosen.
To Jews: All Jews, even Leftie ones, can do Teshuva, when we Right-wing Jews criticize them, we do so to make do Teshuva.
and I'm sick and tired of Christians doing it, especially right now, on daily basis.
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Its not up to you to criticize those that have supported this movement LONG before YOU came here. In fact, IMO, Christians and Gentiles, if they are still here, I dont know why, there are SOME Jewish people here that treat them like DOGS. Very WRONG.
David Ben Moshe- all of his best friends are Christians, the same with Chaim Ben Pesach.
Being Chosen should NOT have a haughty attitude, but a HUMBLE one.
My SOUL was standing at Mt.Sinai long before YOUR first cell-brain was ever CREATED.
Still, Gentiles shouldn't criticize them, and as for all Jews who oppose my point, talk like patriot Jews who love their brothers and sisters and not like UN represntors.
Have you ever HEARD of Jewish national pride?!
There is no Jewish Pride anymore. That's why the world is in the shape it's in. There are so few religious Jews, and so few right-wing Jews. Most Jews don't wear kippahs or do anything. Israel sacrifices it's own people spiritually and physically, and most of them make a mockery out of our religion and the Torah.
PM.
No, I'm not going to argue with you. I agree with what you are saying in theory, and I've made it clear about how I felt awkward having Christians on a Jewish forum, but I've done so much to try and change my ways over the last year and a quarter (becoming frum etc.) that I CANNOT STAND secular Jews who CHOOSE wrong instead of right. I'm not talking about the ones who don't know (there are different halachot for people like them). I used to be closed minded about goyim, I agree, and I will never forget a neshama of a Jew, because all Jews have a place in the world to come, but it FRUSTRATES the HELL out of me to see so many Jews going against Hashem. ESPECALLY IN ERETZ YISRAEL. I used to not think about Christians as a major source of good, but I realized it's much MUCH worse to go against Hashem and the Torah as a JEW, than it is for a goy to criticize those SAME, filthy Jews. G-d bless the RIGHTEOUS gentiles.
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I started this thread telling my opinion and people started attacking ME. I flamed nobody.
About your question, I'll answer this tommorow, gotta sleep right now.
You made the first attack:
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
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Aren't you Christian?
G-D doesn't like it when His CHOSEN CHILDREN are being attacked by HAUGHTY GENTILES.
How long have you been here? You should know that I am a Jewess, my husband, David Ben Moshe, and if you cant take up for me, but want to take up for evil Erav Rav, then thats YOUR affair.
You are no friend. I will not trust you----EVER.
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I will stand up for Ron here...
I dont condone his angry tone here but I too get frustrated when I see non-Jews criticizing Jews... It is wrong and yet we allow it to happen. It is true that even Jews who are far from Torah, far from Derech Eretz, are still Jews and still have the potential to do Teshuva.
When we talk about rebuke it must be rebuke which comes with Ahavat, or Loving Rebuke... Rebuke for the sake of putting down the Jew is not rebuke, it is abuse and against Torah. Rebuke is what a father does to an errant child. Calling names and trying to hurt the neshama of the Jew is a violation of a negative mitzvah.
I hope that everyone involved in this thread can understand what Ron is trying to say. It is frustrating to see non-Jews pushing Jews away from their heritage by calling names and cursing Jews, I believe that it is evil. We should be gathering in the Jews by doing outreach and rebuking with loving kindness..
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http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/publicat/hazon/tzedaka/rebuke.htm
Rav Shneur Kotler was the son of Rav Aharon Kotler, and he shared the following comments about his father, the founder and first Rosh Yeshiva (Head) of the famous Lakewood Yeshiva:
"My father - may the memory of the righteous be a blessing - had to constantly arouse people; reprove people; make demands. Yet he never gave reproof or made demands without first expressing that person's virtue with love...Without making sure that the person knows his worth in his (the Rosh Yeshiva's) eyes so that his spirit doesn't fall; so that he doesn't lose his interest, vitality and creativity..."
A reference to the above idea in found in the following advice of King Solomon:
"Do not admonish the scoffer, lest he hate you; admonish the wise person, and he will love you." (Proverbs 9:8)
According to Rabbi Moshe Alshich, a noted biblical commentator, the above verse has the following deeper meaning:
There is a scoffer and a wise person within each of us. If you address the scoffer within the other person, he will resent your criticism and hate you; however, if you address the wise soul within him - his true essence - then he will love you for reminding him of his true and good nature.
This is universal advice which all people can follow by remembering that the friend one is rebuking is created in the Divine image (Genesis 5:1).
Be Well, and Shalom,
Yosef Ben Shlomo Hakohen (See below)
The above insights are cited in “The Legacy of Maran Rav Aharon Kotler” by Rabbi Yitzchok Dershowitz. This amazing and inspiring book is about the life and teachings of one of the great spiritual leaders of our people during the 20th century. The teachings and stories in this book can help us to become the spiritual children of this great sage. This book also helps us to appreciate the power of Torah study and how each of us can tap into this source of power. It is published by Feldheim: www.feldheim.com
http://www.ou.org/torah/gelman/rebuke57.html
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These are the words of the famed Avnei Ezel "True rebuke is only possible to those we love, whose behavior touches our heart and we wish for their improvement. Similar to a parent who rebukes a child and not someone else’s child. The closer you are to a person, the greater the love and the more sincere the rebuke. Rebuke that is the byproduct of love has the greatest affect....Without "do not hate" there cannot be rebuke.
Rabbi Yitzchak Elchanan Spector put it best with the following example "The difference between me and others is similar to that of a cat and a person who live in a house. Both of them hate mice, but the cat wants the mice around so he can chase them and kill them, the people who live in the house would rather that the mice not be there at all. Similarly, I pray that there be no more sin and I work toward that end, others want sin to continue so that they have someone to hate a yell at. That’s the danger of rebuke if not done for the right reason.
There is one other important thing to remember in all of this. There are two sides of rebuke coin, there is the rebuker and the rebukee. We have seen that one must rebuke out of care and in order to show concern, in a similar vain one must accept rebuke with a certain humility and awareness of shortcomings in mind.
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Aren't you Christian?
G-D doesn't like it when His CHOSEN CHILDREN are being attacked by HAUGHTY GENTILES.
How long have you been here? You should know that I am a Jewess, my husband, David Ben Moshe, and if you cant take up for me, but want to take up for evil Erav Rav, then thats YOUR affair.
You are no friend. I will not trust you----EVER.
Came back to tell you I'm sorry though for consdiering you a Christian. Also I wanna talk to you about something later on.
Once again, I don't take up for the Erev Rav, I just said that Gentiles have no right to criticize and of course not attack (like Gentiles such as Bonesfan do), it's not up to them.
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I started this thread telling my opinion and people started attacking ME. I flamed nobody.
About your question, I'll answer this tommorow, gotta sleep right now.
You made the first attack:
It's not up to you Gentiles to consider urself higher or better than any Jew, no matter what.
Should I also say you have the right to murder Jews or something? what's the OFFENSE in this statement?
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Christians can call Jews names as much as they want. They can do it while having bacon cheesburgers on Yom Kippur while having pedophile orgies or on Pesach eating bread, lighting fires, and getting stoned if they wanted to. Christians should understand that the Jewish soul is holy no matter what, even Jews are ACTING like animals. Christians can call them names. JEWS CANNOT SPEAK LOSHON HORA, though. *(Although speaking it about a rasha, I think is allowed).
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רון בן מיכאל, if it wasn't for your name, and with that retarded attitude and way of thinking, I would certainly think you are a muslim. Get a clue arshole.
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Christians can call Jews names as much as they want. They can do it while having bacon cheesburgers on Yom Kippur while having pedophile orgies or on Pesach eating bread, lighting fires, and getting stoned if they wanted to. Christians should understand that the Jewish soul is holy no matter what, even Jews are ACTING like animals. Christians can call them names. JEWS CANNOT SPEAK LOSHON HORA, though. *(Although speaking it about a rasha, I think is allowed).
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Muman just summarized my point. The most annoying thing is when Bonesfan calles Jewish girls "sluts".
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רון בן מיכאל, if it wasn't for your name, and with that retarded attitude and way of thinking, I would certainly think you are a muslim. Get a clue arshole.
What's that dirty little Ishmaelite piece of ape garbage? didn't have already when we wiped your whole cave out?
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OK, but that comes to show you how badly they are acting. There's no halacha for Christians to follow. Better they call the bad ones names then go all crusade on us ,lol. But seriously, it's just name-calling to bad Jews. Don't single out Bones because 1) He is a great guy and a terrific goy 2) It's halahacally worse for Jews to say loshin hora about other Jews and 3) It's never going to change, the same way you're never going to get every Jew to change.
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Ron, you are a good Jew and you have good intentions, but you are wrong.
1. As Torah Jews, we are commanded to curse traitors and informers. We must curse them 3 times a day in the Shmone Esre. We must pray for their violent death:
".... למינים ולמלשינים אל תהי תקווה וכל הזדים כרגע יאבדו"
2. When Moshe Rabeinu came down from Har Sinai and saw the sin of the golden calf, he did give all of the sinners a chance to do tshuva (repent). But 3000 refused to do tshuva. Moshe ordered the Levites to kill all 3000 who refused to change their evil ways.
3. Pinhas killed Zimri, who was the leader of the tribe of Shimon, because Zimri was sinning with a woman from Moav. Until Pinhas acted, 24,000 Jews died in a plague that Hashem started to punish and warn the Jewish people not to engage in such evil behavior. In the Torah, Hashem blesses Pinhas and his family for all generations for killing Zimri. (Parashat Balak)
4. The Maccabees started their revolt by killing Hellenist traitor Jews.
So it is clear that righteous Jews are commanded to curse, and if possible, to even kill informers and traitors.
Righteous Gentiles are not supposed to curse Jews, but these self-hating Jewish traitors are karet (cut off) from the Jewish people. The Erev Rav are enemies of the Jewish people. Peace Now, the Bolshevik news media, Bagatz (the Israeli Supreme Court) and other traitor informers are enemies of the Jewish people. When righteous Gentiles curse them, they are cursing enemies of the Jewish people.
Obviously, we must all be careful not to curse Jews who are simply mistaken or misguided. And yes, we must appeal to mistaken and misguided Jews to do tshuva (repent).
We must also treat righteous Gentiles with love and respect. Righteous Gentiles will be baolam habah (in the world to come) where they will have eternal life. Jewish informer traitors will not be baolam habah.
To put it simply, if you offer me a choice between a pro-Israel Gentile and an anti-Israel Jew, I will pick the pro-Israel Gentile every time.
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Chaim, about your 3 points, I wasn't talking about Jews doing that, but Gentiles, can someone here understand my point instead of waging war against me?
You actually agree with me, lol, it's just that Gentiles (no matter if they are Righteous or not, and not all Gentiles here are Rightoeus either) shouldn't curse/attack/criticize Jews no matter what who those Jews are.
That's my point.
To put it simply, there were and are enough traitors and Rasha'im, nowadays and in the days of the Tanach alike, who did a Teshuva, ceou tout, a Gentile would never be my brother unless he converts.
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Ron, you are a good Jew and you have good intentions, but you are wrong.
1. As Torah Jews, we are commanded to curse traitors and informers. We must curse them 3 times a day in the Shmone Esre. We must pray for their violent death:
".... למינים ולמלשינים אל תהי תקווה וכל הזדים כרגע יאבדו"
2. When Moshe Rabeinu came down from Har Sinai and saw the sin of the golden calf, he did give all of the sinners a chance to do tshuva (repent). But 3000 refused to do tshuva. Moshe ordered the Levites to kill all 3000 who refused to change their evil ways.
3. Pinhas killed Zimri, who was the leader of the tribe of Shimon, because Zimri was sinning with a woman from Moav. Until Pinhas acted, 24,000 Jews died in a plague that Hashem started to punish and warn the Jewish people not to engage in such evil behavior. In the Torah, Hashem blesses Pinhas and his family for all generations for killing Zimri. (Parashat Balak)
4. The Maccabees started their revolt by killing Hellenist traitor Jews.
So it is clear that righteous Jews are commanded to curse, and if possible, to even kill informers and traitors.
Righteous Gentiles are not supposed to curse Jews, but these self-hating Jewish traitors are karet (cut off) from the Jewish people. The Erev Rav are enemies of the Jewish people. Peace Now, the Bolshevik news media, Bagatz (the Israeli Supreme Court) and other traitor informers are enemies of the Jewish people. When righteous Gentiles curse them, they are cursing enemies of the Jewish people.
Obviously, we must all be careful not to curse Jews who are simply mistaken or misguided. And yes, we must appeal to mistaken and misguided Jews to do tshuva (repent).
We must also treat righteous Gentiles with love and respect. Righteous Gentiles will be baolam habah (in the world to come) where they will have eternal life. Jewish informer traitors will not be baolam habah.
To put it simply, if you offer me a choice between a pro-Israel Gentile and an anti-Israel Jew, I will pick the pro-Israel Gentile every time.
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Chaim, about your 3 points, I wasn't talking about Jews doing that, but Gentiles, can someone here understand my point instead of waging war against me?
You actually agree with me, lol, it's just that Gentiles (no matter if they are Righteous or not, and not all Gentiles here are Rightoeus either) shouldn't curse/attack/criticize Jews no matter what who those Jews are.
That's my point.
To put it simply, there were and are enough traitors and Rasha'im, nowadays and in the days of the Tanach alike, who did a Teshuva, ceou tout, a Gentile would never be my brother unless he converts.
True, lol, nothing about goyim bashing Jews. I missed that for a sec.
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Bonesfan, I'll answer your question tommorow and ease that tune down, you pedo celebrity girls-fetishizing freak.
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Bonesfan, I'll answer your question tommorow and ease that tune down, you pedo celebrity girls-fetishizing freak.
No need for name calling, won't accomplish anything.
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I actually understand your point. I also agree to a certain extent with your point which is why I don't do it. I don't think righteous gentiles should curse left-wing Jews and I don't think it's their place to make judgements (unless they are personally affected by those people). The problem is your attitude. It seems like you don't know how to present your views in a respectful manner. There's a mean-spirited and condescending tone in your posts which leads me to believe that you wouldn't trust any righteous gentile no matter if they are good or evil. It seems that even if we are on your side, you don't trust the "goyim".
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Ron, if Gentiles are cursing enemies of the Jewish people, they are doing the right thing. For example, Peace Now is an enemy of the Jewish people.
Is it possible that a member of Peace Now will do tshuva (repent)? Yes, it's possible. Do we want evil Jews to do tshuva? Yes. But until they do tshuva, they are rodfim (pursuers of Jewish blood).
Ron, it's very late in Israel. Go to sleep. We'll talk tomorrow bli neder beezrat hashem.
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I actually understand your point. I also agree to a certain extent with your point which is why I don't do it. I don't think righteous gentiles should curse left-wing Jews and I don't think it's their place to make judgements (unless they are personally affected by those people). The problem is your attitude. It seems like you don't know how to present your views in a respectful manner. There's a mean-spirited and condescending tone in your posts which leads me to believe that you wouldn't trust any righteous gentile no matter if they are good or evil. It seems that even if we are on your side, you don't trust the "goyim".
Technically, Jews shouldn't be close with goyim for the purpose of pleasure anyways. Muman pull up the source as I am too lazy. Also the thing about the oil on Chanukah. It could have been handled better by Ron, but it's over now. So Muman, could u post the source and then lock this thread?
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I actually understand your point. I also agree to a certain extent with your point which is why I don't do it. I don't think righteous gentiles should curse left-wing Jews and I don't think it's their place to make judgements (unless they are personally affected by those people). The problem is your attitude. It seems like you don't know how to present your views in a respectful manner. There's a mean-spirited and condescending tone in your posts which leads me to believe that you wouldn't trust any righteous gentile no matter if they are good or evil. It seems that even if we are on your side, you don't trust the "goyim".
Please remember that Ron is 16 years old. He's very intelligent - he's writing in English which is not his native language. But he's still 16 years old. And I don't mean this in an insulting way - Ron is much smarter than I was when I was 16.
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Bonesfan, I'll answer your question tommorow and ease that tune down, you pedo celebrity girls-fetishizing freak.
Ron, I have always been very nice to you and very respectful toward you. But I am not going to tolerate personal insults. Bonesfan is a very righteous person and an important member of JTF.
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I actually understand your point. I also agree to a certain extent with your point which is why I don't do it. I don't think righteous gentiles should curse left-wing Jews and I don't think it's their place to make judgements (unless they are personally affected by those people). The problem is your attitude. It seems like you don't know how to present your views in a respectful manner. There's a mean-spirited and condescending tone in your posts which leads me to believe that you wouldn't trust any righteous gentile no matter if they are good or evil. It seems that even if we are on your side, you don't trust the "goyim".
Please remember that Ron is 16 years old. He's very intelligent - he's writing in English which is not his native language. But he's still 16 years old. And I don't mean this in an insulting way - Ron is much smarter than I was when I was 16.
Ah ok. That explains a lot. I thought he was much older.
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I actually understand your point. I also agree to a certain extent with your point which is why I don't do it. I don't think righteous gentiles should curse left-wing Jews and I don't think it's their place to make judgements (unless they are personally affected by those people). The problem is your attitude. It seems like you don't know how to present your views in a respectful manner. There's a mean-spirited and condescending tone in your posts which leads me to believe that you wouldn't trust any righteous gentile no matter if they are good or evil. It seems that even if we are on your side, you don't trust the "goyim".
(unless they are personally affected by those people).
RIGHT.
Cass Sunstein was IN Tel Aviv, saying that he wanted to 'outlaw marriage' in America, probably Israel as well. He also is for animals taking people to court. His wife, Samantha Powers wants to INVADE Israel.. ("nice Jewess >:( ) Schmuckie Schumer made sure that Sotomayor that white-hating slime got to be a Supreme Ct. Justice. Rahm Emmanuel; traitor to Israel, loves Osama Hussein, Boxer, who cant even address a general with respect, and is also a HAG. Axelrod, that self-hating PIG making sure the Muslim in the W.H. got his coronation, plus a bunch of Jewish Czars that is totally UN CONSTITUTIONAL.
If we, as the Jewish people do NOT reprimand and even curse these traitors, Christians and gentiles will believe that we are ALL Bolsheviks and Commies. Christians and gentiles lives are being screwed up everyday by this evil congress, senate and Czars, no not all Jewish, but as the Jew, WE MUST put these SOBS down, and NOT disallow our gentile members to do so as well.
At this point, their only salvation to me, (IMO) is to LEAVE AMERICA. Many people in America think we are ALL dems/liberals, b/c the ONLY Jews that are in this house, besides 2, ARE DEMO COMMIES. Do you people REALIZE how this makes us as a people LOOK>? It makes me sick every damned day. SICK!!!
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Here are the laws which prohibit a Jew from drinking wine which has been prepared or stored by a gentile:
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/968269/jewish/Chapter-13.htm
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/kosher-why#13
Wine and grape-juice products may only be used if produced by Jews. Pagans used to use wine for their ceremonies and used to dedicate wine to their gods, which would make the wine Biblically prohibited. The Sages forbade all "non-Jewish wine" even if it was not known to have been used for pagan purposes. In addition, sharing wine creates a certain feeling of intimacy that the Sages wanted to discourage between Jews and Gentiles as a barrier against intermarriage.
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I think it's safe to say that none of us here like the self hating lefty Jews (and I'm Jewish).
But I think it's a mistake to assume that all anti-semitism would disappear if Jews were all right wing. We would be more respected as a group, which is good. But anti-semitism has existed long before there were any communists.
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Bonesfan, I'll answer your question tommorow and ease that tune down, you pedo celebrity girls-fetishizing freak.
She's 33 years old, dude.
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Technically, Jews shouldn't be close with goyim for the purpose of pleasure anyways. Muman pull up the source as I am too lazy. Also the thing about the oil on Chanukah. It could have been handled better by Ron, but it's over now. So Muman, could u post the source and then lock this thread?
What do you mean "purposes of pleasure"? If you mean romantic involvement and intermarriage, Christians are every bit against intermarriage as Jews are.
I'm not sure where Noahides stand on intermarriage but I assume they would respect all Jewish law.
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Technically, Jews shouldn't be close with goyim for the purpose of pleasure anyways. Muman pull up the source as I am too lazy. Also the thing about the oil on Chanukah. It could have been handled better by Ron, but it's over now. So Muman, could u post the source and then lock this thread?
What do you mean "purposes of pleasure"? If you mean romantic involvement and intermarriage, Christians are every bit against intermarriage as Jews are.
I'm not sure where Noahides stand on intermarriage but I assume they would respect all Jewish law.
The sages instituted rules which prohibit a Jew from eating and drinking with non-Jews for the purpose of preventing intermarriage... This includes all situations of 'pleasure' including eating, drinking, fraternizing, etc... Many of these rules have been forgotten over time but I believe that they were instituted for a reason... If we had kept them then we would not be suffering with the problem of assimilation today...
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We must also treat righteous Gentiles with love and respect. Righteous Gentiles will be baolam habah (in the world to come) where they will have eternal life. Jewish informer traitors will not be baolam habah.
To put it simply, if you offer me a choice between a pro-Israel Gentile and an anti-Israel Jew, I will pick the pro-Israel Gentile every time.
Chaim you are wonderful. You have my deepest respect.
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http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=1649
The Prohibition of Bishul Akum – Eating Foods Prepared by a Gentile
The Ben Ish Hai (Rabbi Yosef Haim of Baghdad, 1833-1909), in Parashat Hukat (Shana Sheniya, 9), discusses the concept of "Bishul Akum," the prohibition enacted by the Sages forbidding the consumption of certain foods prepared by a gentile. He emphasizes that this prohibition does not relate to the Kashrut status of the food. Even if the food is inherently kosher and the gentile prepared the food using a Jew's utensils in a Jew's kitchen, one may nevertheless not partake of this food because it was prepared by a non-Jew.
The Ben Ish Hai explains that this Rabbinic enactment was motivated by two different concerns. Firstly, the Sages enacted this law as a safeguard against intermarriage. Once Jews are forbidden from eating food cooked by a gentile, they are less likely to engage in close social interaction with gentiles, and it is thus less likely that Jews and gentiles will marry one another. Secondly, the Rabbis were concerned that if Jews partake of food prepared by gentiles, they might eventually come to partake of non-kosher food, as well. By forbidding even kosher food prepared by non-Jews, the Sages sought to lessen the possibility of Jews eating non-kosher food.
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http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5764/achareimos.html
I recently taught my Yeshiva class about the laws of consuming food prepared by non-Jews, which are in the Talmud, in Tractate Avodah Zarah. There are prohibitions against eating food prepared (under certain circumstances) by a non-Jew; of drinking wine that is so much as touched (under certain circumstances) by a non-Jew. The rationale behind all of these Rabbinic prohibitions is "lest we come to intermarry with them" (mi'shum chasnus).
One can ask, if the food only contains Kosher ingredients and I take it into the confines of my own home, why should the fact that it happened to have been cooked by a non-Jew be any cause for concern that I might come to marry a non-Jewish woman? Isn't that far-fetched?
The Rabbis were not worried that if someone ate something cooked by a non-Jew, they would immediately go out and marry that person. Rather, they were interested in creating an atmosphere that shouts to us "we've got to remain separate." Once we start breaking down the little things and start tampering with the atmosphere, we are quickly left with what we have today in the United States of America: over fifty percent intermarriage. We no longer have an atmosphere of separation.
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I think it's safe to say that none of us here like the self hating lefty Jews (and I'm Jewish).
But I think it's a mistake to assume that all anti-semitism would disappear if Jews were all right wing. We would be more respected as a group, which is good. But anti-semitism has existed long before there were any communists.
It would still exist, Lisa, but it would be much less of a danger to us (I say "us" because most anything that is dangerous to a Jew is also dangerous to a Gentile Zionist). If Jews did exactly what they needed to do, remained obedient, and said "F the haters, we're counting on G-d to protect us", G-d would not have punished the Jews with powerful Nazi invaders like the Babylonians and Assyrians, and they would have taken care of the weak Nazi attackers like the Arabs before they became a gigantic, murderous threat. Anti-Semites everywhere would be terrified of messing with the Jews.
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Technically, Jews shouldn't be close with goyim for the purpose of pleasure anyways. Muman pull up the source as I am too lazy. Also the thing about the oil on Chanukah. It could have been handled better by Ron, but it's over now. So Muman, could u post the source and then lock this thread?
What do you mean "purposes of pleasure"? If you mean romantic involvement and intermarriage, Christians are every bit against intermarriage as Jews are.
I'm not sure where Noahides stand on intermarriage but I assume they would respect all Jewish law.
The same way that Jews should stay away from bad Jews, Jews shouldn't mingle with goyim either lest it lead to converting to Christianity etc. I forgot where it's brought down. Chanukah for example, however, shows us that when you mix oil and water, oil separates itself. Comes to show that Jews are like oil- a light to the nations- and just like oil and water don't mix, so too Jews and Gentiles don't mix.
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http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=1649
The Prohibition of Bishul Akum – Eating Foods Prepared by a Gentile
Unfortunately many "kashrut" restaurants and meat packers employ Islamic camelrapists, out of political correctness.
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So if I cut a tomato into slices with a brand new knife that's never been used for any other food, and promise I didn't pray over it is it still kosher?
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So if I cut a tomato into slices with a brand new knife that's never been used for any other food, and promise I didn't pray over it is it still kosher?
The issues I have brought up are not concerning Kashrut... The reason for the institution of these laws was to prevent Jews from co-mingling with non-Jews... In order to prevent intermarriage...
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So if I cut a tomato into slices with a brand new knife that's never been used for any other food, and promise I didn't pray over it is it still kosher?
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Very complicated.
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So Muman, in our New York JTF get togethers, we had Jewish members and non Jewish members eating together at a glatt kosher restaurants and pizza places. Are you saying something like would be a bad thing?
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So Muman, in our New York JTF get togethers, we had Jewish members and non Jewish members eating together at a glatt kosher restaurants and pizza places. Are you saying something like would be a bad thing?
He's not saying it. Torah says it. Jews and non-Jews shouldn't be friends.
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Torah says it. Jews and non-Jews shouldn't be friends.
I have yet to see a credible source.
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I have yet to see a credible source.
You can easily find one. The Kitzur probably has it. Ask Muman.
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Ron I don't understand why you opened this thread. Should Jews be so boastful and proud and vain ?
Also, should gentiles not be able to criticize Jews who have adverse and very negative effect on their own nations ? What about Karl Marx, is he also beyond criticism ?!
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Is this some sort of RETRO-VIRUS thread?
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In every Kosher restaurant they have none Jews eating there as well so we can't go to Kosher Restaurants now. shessh
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So Muman, in our New York JTF get togethers, we had Jewish members and non Jewish members eating together at a glatt kosher restaurants and pizza places. Are you saying something like would be a bad thing?
Lisa; when people go out in numbers there is no threat for flirting, etc. This is Silliness.
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In every Kosher restaurant they have none Jews eating there as well so we can't go to Kosher Restaurants now. shessh
U can eat in the same room.
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What I have brought up concerning these rules about eating and drinking with non-Jews has fallen out of practice.... But the halachas are still written and some people observe them. I admit that in this day and age very few modern Jews can live according to these rules. I don't... But I understand the reason for these rules, as I said to prevent inter-mingling which will lead to intermarriage which leads to assimilation. The sages were wise because they foresaw what would happen {as these things are rampant today}.
Even the Shabbatons I go to {and will attend this weekend} allow non-Jews to participate... And some in my minyan have even married non-Jews and had non-Jewish children. This is the sad result of ignoring these rules...
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Although the Torah separates Jews and Gentiles for certain purposes, it is not a Jewish-supremacist document. Actually non-Jews have the potential to become even more favored by G-d than the average Jew according to the Tanach:
Isaiah 56: 3-5
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,
"The LORD will surely separate me from His people "
Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree."
4 For thus says the LORD,
"To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
There are detailed commentaries on this. It's not so black and white,lol.