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President Vladimir Putin reaffirmed Russia’s commitment to tolerance and open societies during a meeting in Moscow with Israeli President Shimon Peres.
Though Russia and Israel disagree on several issues, the two nations share an avowed dedication to battling extremism – their mutual histories overlap during one of the bloodiest chapters of human history.
Putin told Peres that while Russia is not totally free from anti-Semitic extremism, the country will never forget the darkest moment in the history of the Jewish people.
“We will not forget the losses that the Jewish people suffered in fighting Nazism, nor will we ever forget the Holocaust,” Putin said.
An estimated 27 million Russian soldiers and civilians died in World War II, and six million Jews were killed in Nazi concentration camps.
Peres pointed to the lesson of World War II, when the United States and the Soviet Union put aside ideological differences and engaged to defeat Nazi Germany.
"It would have been impossible to defeat Nazism without interaction between the United States and the Soviet Union,” Peres said. “If they saved [the world] from Hitler then, now these two countries should join forces to save nations from a new Hitler.”
The Israeli President also lauded Russia as the place where “the State of Israel was born.” The majority of the founders of modern Israel came from Russia, Peres said, adding that the population of Israel includes some 1.2 million immigrants from former Soviet nations.
"Thank you to the Russian people from the Jewish people, thank you for something that has been done for centuries," he said.
Peres attended the opening of Moscow’s Jewish Museum of Tolerance, the largest of its kind in Europe. The Russian president said the building represented Russia’s dedication to “eliminating xenophobia and nationalism.”
Putin closed his speech by saluting the recent creation in Israel of a monument honoring Red Army soldiers.
“Any decent and honest person must be thankful to Russia and honor the Red Army, which demonstrated unheard-of courage in what was an extremely hard period,” the Israeli President said.
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What tripe!
Putin told Peres that while Russia is not totally free from anti-Semitic extremism, the country will never forget the darkest moment in the history of the Jewish people.
The Russian Nazi's also murdered thousand/millions of Jews.
The Israeli President also lauded Russia as the place where “the State of Israel was born.”
Russia armed the Arabs to push the Jews into the see when the State of Israel was born.
Israel includes some 1.2 million immigrants from former Soviet nations.
Yes and thank G-d for Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim that they are free or they would still be trapped there.
"Thank you to the Russian people from the Jewish people, thank you for something that has been done for centuries," he said.
Peres is thanking the Russian Nazi's for brutally murdering and raping millions of Jews.
“Any decent and honest person must be thankful to Russia and honor the Red Army, which demonstrated unheard-of courage in what was an extremely hard period,”
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What tripe!
The Russian Nazi's also murdered thousand/millions of Jews.
Russia armed the Arabs to push the Jews into the see when the State of Israel was born.
Yes and thank G-d for Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim that they are free or they would still be trapped there.
Peres is thanking the Russian Nazi's for brutally murdering and raping millions of Jews.
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This is entire dialogue is mutual fantasy. They just make this crap up and adulate one another. Sickening
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Terrorism should stop
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This is true... in fact Putin can't wait to help start another one.
By the way... Putin must be ecstatic about Obama's win.
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Eliminating xenophobia and nationalism?
Guess the conspiracy kooks are right about the "globalist agenda." He openly admits to wanting to do away with nationalism!
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What tripe!
The Russian Nazi's also murdered thousand/millions of Jews.
Russia armed the Arabs to push the Jews into the see when the State of Israel was born.
Yes and thank G-d for Rabbi Meir Kahane and Chaim that they are free or they would still be trapped there.
Peres is thanking the Russian Nazi's for brutally murdering and raping millions of Jews.
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Good Lord, what are you talking about? Russians killed millions of Jews? Are you insane?
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Eliminating xenophobia and nationalism?
Guess the conspiracy kooks are right about the "globalist agenda." He openly admits to wanting to do away with nationalism!
It's not kooky to say the elites want a global government. Why do you think the UN keeps trying to grab for more power and erode sovereignty. I think you should look up MEFTA. It will directly affect Israel if it goes into effect.
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Good Lord, what are you talking about? Russians killed millions of Jews? Are you insane?
Did he stutter? Yes Russians slaughtered millions of Jews... Is there even a question about it... The only Jews Russia had any use for was the ones that had something to offer in the way of research and development.
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l respect that Serbs have strong cultural affinities and ties with Russians. However, I can't support any actions of the Russian regimes of the past century whatsoever!
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Did he stutter? Yes Russians slaughtered millions of Jews... Is there even a question about it... The only Jews Russia had any use for was the ones that had something to offer in the way of research and development.
Who killed millions of Jews? Russians? :o We are talking about dead people here. Please do not make such untruthful statements that lack any evidence. You are being blinded with your hate for Russia that you putting yourself in position where someone can say that you never read history book in you entire life. I just can't believe what I am reading here. Must hit myself to see if I am dreaming this.
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l respect that Serbs have strong cultural affinities and ties with Russians. However, I can't support any actions of the Russian regimes of the past century whatsoever!
Communist regime took lives of my family and our financial prosperity. Was it evil? Yes. But sure we can't make up stories here and alter historical facts. In fact, with a new law in Russia person publicly saying such things will go to jail for up to 5 years. World had over 60 years to study WWII events and I agree that morons trying to interpret those events very differently should face prison time.
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Who killed millions of Jews? Russians? :o We are talking about dead people here. Please do not make such untruthful statements that lack any evidence. You are being blinded with your hate for Russia that you putting yourself in position where someone can say that you never read history book in you entire life. I just can't believe what I am reading here. Must hit myself to see if I am dreaming this.
Well I am not reading self serving Communist propaganda history books Russia brainwashed their iron curtain countries with... You can love evil murderous Russia all you like... Please do try to sell that hogwash to people who know better.
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If you knew anything about world, or history, you would know that Yugoslavia was never under Russian rule and part of "iron curtain". With that said, I am not sure why are you embarrassing yourself? You can't just make things up to hide lack of knowledge and then insult everyone else to feel better.
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Oh, no Russia didn't kill any one. Stalin did.
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Blah blah blah blah..but you still helped Iran enrich Uranium...blah blah blah blah. May Iran drop the bomb on Moscow.
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Russia and USSR have a very dark history when it comes to its Jews. Russia before the Soviets were terrible and Jews were persecuted by the Tzar, and after the Soviet revolution too Jews were oppressed and they tried to snuff out Judaism (and all religion) entirely.
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Documentary evidence as to the presence of Jews in Muscovite Russia is first found in the chronicles of 1471. The relatively small population of Jews were generally free of major persecution: although there were laws against them during this period, they do not appear to be strictly enforced.
Small number of Jews, settled in Russian and Ukrainian towns suffered occasional persecutions, owing to religious fanaticism, but on the whole relations between the Jews and Christians were satisfactory and the former suffered no legal limitations. Converted Jews occasionally rose to important positions in the Russian State, i.e. Peter Shafirov, vice-chancellor under Peter the Great was of Jewish origin.
Their situation changed radically, during the reign of Catherine II, when the Russian Empire acquired rule over large Lithuanian and Polish territories, which were heavily populated by Jews, especially during the second (1793) and the third (1795) Partitions of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Under the Commonwealth's legal system, Jews endured restrictions euphemised as "disabilities", which also continued following Russian rule. Catherine established the Pale of Settlement that included Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, and the Crimea (the latter was later excluded). Jews were supposed to reside in the Pale and required special permission to emigrate into Russia proper. Within the Pale, Jews were given right of voting in municipal elections, but their vote was limited to one third of the total number of voters.
Jewish communities in Russia were governed internally by local, dominantly theocratic administrative bodies, called the Councils of Elders (Qahal, Kehilla), constituted in every town or hamlet possessing a Jewish population. The Councils of Elders had jurisdiction over Jews in matters of internal litigation, as well as fiscal transactions relating to the collection and payment of taxes (poll tax, land tax, etc.). Later, this right of collecting taxes was much abused; in 1844 the civil authority of the Councils of Elders over its Jewish population was abolished.[4]
The beginning of the 19th century was marked by intensive movement of Jews to Novorossiya, where towns, villages and agricultural colonies rapidly sprang up.
Rebellions beginning with the Decembrist Revolt of 1825, followed by the struggle of Russia's intelligentsia, and the rise of nihilism, liberalism, socialism, syndicalism, and finally Marxism threatened the old tsarist order.
Prior to 1827 Jews did not serve in the Russian army, but they were subject to double taxation in lieu of military service. In 1827 Nicholas I decreed new recruitment regulations, extended to Jews. About 70,000 Jews were conscripted between 1827 and 1854, a large percentage of them underage (see Cantonists).
Ida Rubinstein was born in Saint Petersburg.
The cultural and habitual isolation of the Jews gradually began to be eroded. An ever-increasing number of Jews adopted Russian language and customs. Russian education was spread among the Jews. A number of Jewish-Russian periodicals appeared.
Alexander II was known as the "Tsar liberator" for the 1861 abolition of serfdom in Russia. Under his rule Jews could not hire Christian servants, could not own land, and were restricted in travel.[5]
Alexander III was a staunch reactionary and an antisemite[6] (influenced by Pobedonostsev[7]) who strictly adhered to the old doctrine of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Ethnocentrism. His escalation of anti-Jewish policies sought to ignite "popular antisemitism," which portrayed the Jews as "Christ-killers" and the oppressors of the Slavic, Christian victims.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Ekaterinoslav1905.jpg/220px-Ekaterinoslav1905.jpg)
Victims of a 1905 pogrom in Yekaterinoslav
A large-scale wave of anti-Jewish pogroms swept Ukraine in 1881, after Jews were wrongly blamed for the assassination of Alexander II. In the 1881 outbreak, there were pogroms in 166 Ukrainian towns, thousands of Jewish homes were destroyed, many families reduced to extremes of poverty;[citation needed] large numbers of men, women, and children were injured and some killed. Disorders in the south once again recalled the government attention to the Jewish question. A conference was convened at the Ministry of Interior and on May 15, 1882, so-called Temporary Regulations were introduced that stayed in effect for more than thirty years and came to be known as the May Laws.
The repressive legislation was repeatedly revised. Many historians noted the concurrence of these state-enforced antisemitic policies with waves of pogroms[8] that continued until 1884, with at least tacit government knowledge and in some cases policemen were seen inciting or joining the mob.
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In 1886, an Edict of Expulsion was enforced on Jews of Kiev. Most Jews were expelled from Moscow in 1891 (except few deemed useful) and a newly built synagogue was closed by the city's authorities headed by the Tsar's brother. Tsar Alexander III refused to curtail repressive practices and reportedly noted: "But we must never forget that the Jews have crucified our Master and have shed his precious blood."[9]
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Read more @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia#Russian_Empire
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Any country which defends Iran and votes against Israel in the UN has forgotten the Holocaust despite what its leaders say.
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If you knew anything about world, or history, you would know that Yugoslavia was never under Russian rule and part of "iron curtain". With that said, I am not sure why are you embarrassing yourself? You can't just make things up to hide lack of knowledge and then insult everyone else to feel better.
You can say anything you like Russia calls the shots in your country and still does... Russia tells you Serbians to jump and the Serbian government asks how high the jumping needs to be... Personally I could care less about Serbia or what Serbia thinks of the United States... In my opinion Clinton did not do enough to help your country when he had the opportunity... He should have done far more...Serbs and Russians are one in the same in my book... Any country that can align itself with the likes of Russia has to be of the same filthy backstabbing mindset.
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Documentary evidence as to the presence of Jews in Muscovite Russia is first found in the chronicles of 1471. The relatively small population of Jews were generally free of major persecution: although there were laws against them during this period, they do not appear to be strictly enforced.
Ok, lets go back long before 1471. Do you believe life of ordinary Russian was better under 3 century Jewish of occupation? Slavic hero Sviatoslav I won freedom for his oppressed people in 965 before helping his Serb brothers in Balkans. If we look at history, people of Jewish faith attacked Russians first and oppressed them with high taxation for 3 centuries. If we are to talk about persecution lets start from the beginning.
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Serbs and Russians are one
Only smart thing you wrote on this topic.
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Only smart thing you wrote on this topic.
"Serbs and Russians are one ___________"
It would be interesting to finish that phrase.
But I don't know if I should.
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Only smart thing you wrote on this topic.
Serb, you are my friend, but why are you in America?
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Serb, you are my friend, but why are you in America?
Why should I not be in America? My people saved hundreds of American pilots during WWII and our flag flew over the White House in WWI. I don't think you understand that Russians don't hate Americans. Media wants to you to believe otherwise.
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Why should I not be in America? My people saved hundreds of American pilots during WWII and our flag flew over the White House in WWI. I don't think you understand that Russians don't hate Americans. Media wants to you to believe otherwise.
Russians are communist, they want us to be communist, that is totally against what our country stands for!
What I'm asking is, why are you here and not in Russia?
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Russians are communist, they want us to be communist, that is totally against what our country stands for!
What I'm asking is, why are you here and not in Russia?
Who are you for me to explain where I live or why I live where I live?
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Who are you for me to explain where I live or why I live where I live?
No, I'm not being rude! What I'm asking is, would you rather be in America or Russia? Sorry if I get a little testy about socialism or communism, my family has been here from the beginning fighting for freedom!
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What do you mean that Jews oppressed Russians with high taxation for three centuries?
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Why should I not be in America? My people saved hundreds of American pilots during WWII and our flag flew over the White House in WWI. I don't think you understand that Russians don't hate Americans. Media wants to you to believe otherwise.
Everybody at JTF acknowledges what the Serbs did during WWII. In fact, we are pretty much the only people that do.
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Jin or the Red Dragon is the most powerful theologically evil entity on the surface of the Earth. They have theologically created and widened the gaps between the different nations during modern times.
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You can say anything you like Russia calls the shots in your country and still does... Russia tells you Serbians to jump and the Serbian government asks how high the jumping needs to be...
No, our government is unfortunately jumping on American and EU command. But that's probably a good thing for you. It's disastrous for us. The only reason Serbs like Russia is because they helped us when it mattered, while West treated us like dirt. We don't like Russia because they "pursue communist agenda". We never wanted communism.
Personally I could care less about Serbia or what Serbia thinks of the United States
Yes, we're well aware that most Americans don't give a ... about us.
In my opinion Clinton did not do enough to help your country when he had the opportunity... He should have done far more...
You mean he should've bombed us more? That kind of help?
Serbs and Russians are one in the same in my book... Any country that can align itself with the likes of Russia has to be of the same filthy backstabbing mindset.
Your government attacked Serbia, which was ALWAYS a loyal ally to America, her only ally in the region, stole 15% of our territory and gave it to the drug smuggling, human trafficking Muslim Albanians. Ordinary Americans didn't say a word and kept electing the same people. Now tell me, who's backstabbing whom?
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The same Putin who is currently carrying out a Holocaust in the Caucasus?
The same Putin who only a few months ago declared "Russia will always recognize Palestine as a legitimate state"?
Putin is a friend of the Arabs and an enemy of Israel, his words are worthless, he is a two faced murderer, who gets away with killing millions of people who resist Russian rule while lecturing Israel about giving Arabs a hard time.
Taking what this POS Putin says to heart is futile.
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Lady 10, I don't blame Serbs one bit for not liking America (I wouldn't either if I were one) or being allied to Russia. And that is the truth.
However, I do think the communist Putin regime is evil to the core.
I just hope that you will see that there are Americans here that truly love and care about the Serbs. I came to JTF 12 years ago because of the Serb issue.
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Lady 10, I don't blame Serbs one bit for not liking America (I wouldn't either if I were one) or being allied to Russia. And that is the truth.
However, I do think the communist Putin regime is evil to the core.
I just hope that you will see that there are Americans here that truly love and care about the Serbs. I came to JTF 12 years ago because of the Serb issue.
What most Serbs feel is BIG disappointment. Putin's act of opening the biggest Jewish center is friendly one and why take that lightly?
And I very much so like president of Israel. He is one very smart politician.
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Lady 10, I don't blame Serbs one bit for not liking America (I wouldn't either if I were one) or being allied to Russia. And that is the truth.
However, I do think the communist Putin regime is evil to the core.
I just hope that you will see that there are Americans here that truly love and care about the Serbs. I came to JTF 12 years ago because of the Serb issue.
Would you hate a country which would help Mexicans secede California, Arizona, New Mexico...? Don't worry my friend, we don't hate America or Americans, and every friendly American is welcome to our country. If Obama and his cronies ever start persecuting Chaim and he is not allowed inside Israel, he can always come to Serbia:)
But, I don't understand this "communist Russia" thing. Russia is not more socialist today than USA or Europe. Is Putin more evil than Obama or EU commissars? I don't think so.
I see people hating Russia for supporting Arabs against Israel. Yes, they are unfortunately and God will punish them for that. But, what is America doing? They don't support a "two state solution"? They don't sell weapons to Arabs? Who is financing PA? Russia or EU and USA?
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Serbs are not Russians.
Serbs are South Slavs and Russians are East Slavs.
We don't even look alike and that is a myth and nothing more.
Serbs are Serbs and not "small Russians".
In some contest we are "small Russians" but we are also an independent nation which loves liberty.
Until 1999 Serbs were very pro American. Big disappointment in America occurred not when American army attacked Serbian army but when they started killing civilians.
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Would you hate a country which would help Mexicans secede California, Arizona, New Mexico...? Don't worry my friend, we don't hate America or Americans, and every friendly American is welcome to our country. If Obama and his cronies ever start persecuting Chaim and he is not allowed inside Israel, he can always come to Serbia:)
But, I don't understand this "communist Russia" thing. Russia is not more socialist today than USA or Europe. Is Putin more evil than Obama or EU commissars? I don't think so.
I see people hating Russia for supporting Arabs against Israel. Yes, they are unfortunately and God will punish them for that. But, what is America doing? They don't support a "two state solution"? They don't sell weapons to Arabs? Who is financing PA? Russia or EU and USA?
I must agree with everything you said and add that Russians are arms exporters like Americans. Unlike Russians, America gives Arabs weapons for free!!
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Would you hate a country which would help Mexicans secede California, Arizona, New Mexico...? Don't worry my friend, we don't hate America or Americans, and every friendly American is welcome to our country. If Obama and his cronies ever start persecuting Chaim and he is not allowed inside Israel, he can always come to Serbia:)
But, I don't understand this "communist Russia" thing. Russia is not more socialist today than USA or Europe. Is Putin more evil than Obama or EU commissars? I don't think so.
I see people hating Russia for supporting Arabs against Israel. Yes, they are unfortunately and God will punish them for that. But, what is America doing? They don't support a "two state solution"? They don't sell weapons to Arabs? Who is financing PA? Russia or EU and USA?
I know that there is a lot of evil in America and obviously I don't support any of it. Like I said I don't blame Serbs one bit for not having fond feelings for America at all.
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Ok, lets go back long before 1471. Do you believe life of ordinary Russian was better under 3 century Jewish of occupation? Slavic hero Sviatoslav I won freedom for his oppressed people in 965 before helping his Serb brothers in Balkans. If we look at history, people of Jewish faith attacked Russians first and oppressed them with high taxation for 3 centuries. If we are to talk about persecution lets start from the beginning.
So, you alledge that Jews were the ones who attack filthy Russian scum "with high taxation for 3 centuries", which supposedly led to their [Russian scum's] brutal nazi hatred against Jews who did nothing but were helping this slimy nation [Russia] to prosper with the Jewish minds who were involved in science, medicine, etc.? So, basically, you alledge that Jews were robbing russians with taxation? Sounds like "ZOG" conspiracy to me.
Good Lord, what are you talking about? Russians killed millions of Jews? Are you insane?
No, not millions of Jews, but maybe even BILLIONS of Jews, my friend (if we start counting all the centuries).
You tell us to support Russia even though you should know very well that Russia has always been a Jew-hating hellhole and remains such even by this very own day. I guess we should support Russia because of all these pogroms committed by ethnic Russians in Russian empire, or maybe because Russian tzars not only persecuted Jews, but were propagandizing antisemitism to the poles and ukrainians, or maybe because Russian government has been supplying Islamic terrorists with weapons and arms for decades and doing it now as well?
Oh, maybe we should support Russian scumbags who openly support Ahmadenijad ys"v and Gaddafi ys"v on the streets of Moscow?
I'm not even talking about the government, but people of Russia
Btw, do you know Russian, Serbian Army? If yes, please check what this ethnic Russian dude writes about Jews on his channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/MaBuSS2012
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What most Serbs feel is BIG disappointment. Putin's act of opening the biggest Jewish center is friendly one and why take that lightly?
He is arming Muslim Nazi Iran with nuclear bombs to destroy Israel, who cares if he is building a Jewish center.
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And I very much so like president of Israel. He is one very smart politician.
If he was a "very smart politician" he would not have been wasting time in Nazi Russia with Jewish centers, he would have being in Israel giving orders to wipe Iran off the map.
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So, you alledge that Jews were the ones who attack filthy Russian scum "with high taxation for 3 centuries", which supposedly led to their [Russian scum's] brutal nazi hatred against Jews who did nothing but were helping this slimy nation [Russia] to prosper with the Jewish minds who were involved in science, medicine, etc.? So, basically, you alledge that Jews were robbing russians with taxation? Sounds like "ZOG" conspiracy to me.
No, not millions of Jews, but maybe even BILLIONS of Jews, my friend (if we start counting all the centuries).
You tell us to support Russia even though you should know very well that Russia has always been a Jew-hating hellhole and remains such even by this very own day. I guess we should support Russia because of all these pogroms committed by ethnic Russians in Russian empire, or maybe because Russian tzars not only persecuted Jews, but were propagandizing antisemitism to the poles and ukrainians, or maybe because Russian government has been supplying Islamic terrorists with weapons and arms for decades and doing it now as well?
Oh, maybe we should support Russian scumbags who openly support Ahmadenijad ys"v and Gaddafi ys"v on the streets of Moscow?
I'm not even talking about the government, but people of Russia
Btw, do you know Russian, Serbian Army? If yes, please check what this ethnic Russian dude writes about Jews on his channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/MaBuSS2012
The Byzantine Christians were so brutal to the Jews. They probably would have exterminated the Jews if not for the rise of Islam, as bad as that sounds. I guess the Russians just carried on that Byzantine Christian tradition. For centuries the whole Christian world did. If you are white and Christian then you likely have persecution of Jews in your ancestry. I think God selectively blinded our ancestors like he did Pharaoh and used them to purify and strengthen the Jews. Now that that mission is completed, He has started opening the eyes of the Christian world to true Christianity, which recognizes that the Jews are Gods people and that the land of Israel belongs to them. What we are seeing from Russia today is more about greed for Arab oil than the pure-hearted theological reasons of our ancestors, I guess.
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Soviet Union was among first countries to recognize Israel.
Anyway, Americans are sending billions to muslim brotherhood and other such groups. Meanwhile, Russians refused to sell defense system S-300 for profit to Iranians. While ordinary Jews are scared to walk on NY's streets Russians opened the biggest Jewish center in Europe.
Peres is very loved in part of country where I come from. He is a great leader of Israel.
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How can I hold any dialogue with person who calls nation which lost 27 million people fighting Hitler a nazi nation?
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The Byzantine Christians were so brutal to the Jews.
In 212, Caracalla bestowed citizenship on all its residents, including the Jews. This granted Jews legal equality to all other citizens, and formed the foundation of their legal status in Byzantium following the founding of Constantinople in 330.[1] Indeed, Jews enjoyed the right to practice their faith under the rule of the Byzantines, as long as they paid the Fiscus Judaicus. For example, circumcision, which was considered mutilation and therefore punishable by death if performed on a non-Jewish child, and by exile if performed on a non-Jewish adult, was legally permitted within Jewish religious practices. Byzantine law recognized synagogues as places of worship, which could not be arbitrarily molested, Jewish courts had the force of law in civil cases, and Jews could not be forced to violate Shabbat and their festivals.
In 404, Jews were excluded from certain governmental posts.[3] In 418, they were barred from the civil service, and from all military positions.[4] In 425, they were excluded from all remaining public offices, both civilian and military--a prohibition which Justinian I repeated[3]. Such restrictions, however, inevitably compromised the theological arguments for restricting the Jewish religion; although they empowered the Christian citizens of the empire at the expense of its Jews, all laws dealing with the Jews implicitly recognized the continued existence and legality of the Jewish religion.
Anyway, Judaism was not thriving through centuries under Byzantine rule but it was not also restricted except for some periods under several anti Semitic emperors. (periods lasting about 50 years). Your claims are nonsense.
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Anyway, Americans are sending billions to muslim brotherhood and other such groups.
This is true! This is what happens when you let commies infiltrate the system, this is what communist brainwashing does to a country, and us right wingers are not happy about it!
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Your claims are nonsense.
Then so are Rabbi Berel Wein's claims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxBODnlcYMU&feature=share&list=ULPxBODnlcYMU
If, in any of those 50-year periods in which antisemitic emperors reigned, the Jews were persecuted bitterly and likely would have been exterminated in the land of Israel and the middle east in general as Berel Wein claims, then what I claimed (without caring that much whether it was true or not) obviously would not be nonsense for the reasons you gave. I don't really know or care if what I stated was nonsense for other reasons though.
Also, what you wrote just describes the laws and commands of the emperor. How did the masses of Christians treat the Jews, and how well were the laws enforced to protect the Jews from them? Take South Africa for instance. Whites there have all kinds of rights on paper, but the government does not really do anything to protect whites from being murdered by the jealous mobs.
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Better RED THAN DEAD! For Jews if the choice was Nazi Germany vs. the Soviet Union, then the choice was clear!
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Better RED THAN DEAD! For Jews if the choice was Nazi Germany vs. the Soviet Union, then the choice was clear!
I'd rather be dead! FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Better RED THAN DEAD! For Jews if the choice was Nazi Germany vs. the Soviet Union, then the choice was clear!
Spiritual death is 1000X worse than physical death. So I would disagree with you about whether a Jew living in Soviet Union was better than a dead religious Jew who died as a Jew. The way the Soviet system attempted to destroy Judaism, and virtually all non-state-sponsored religions was awful. Even today from Russians I have spoken to, they claim that religion is a crutch and that the state is the real power in this world. I cannot believe they still believe that BS...
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Russian classical music and art and ballet are amazing! I :love: Russia. It does break my heart that the Jews had it hard. :'(
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Russia is despicable it always has been always with be. Its an anti-religious govt that persecuted jews directly after WWII and indirectly by supporting the iranian nuclear program progression as we speak. Not to mention there is nothing to admire about its communist form of govt and the founding fathers marx and lennon. The world would be a much better place if the nation of Russia doesn't exist and there is no argument to the contrary
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Amen brother!
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Better to have an upfront anti-semite than have a self-hating Jew. An anti-semite is laughable while a self-hating Jew, at least for me, is depressing and disgusting.
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The same Putin who is currently carrying out a Holocaust in the Caucasus?
Actually, killing muslamics in Caucasus is the only good thing Russia has been accomplishing for the past two decades. Though Russians are still hardcore Jew-haters despite the fact that muslims are blowing them to pieces every two years. I wouldn't want to give a damn about caucasian muslim nazis, but russians are so hypocritical and so obsessed with being nazi jew-haters themselves that they're willing to excuse their fellow muslamic nazi antisemitic trash and blame every single terrorist act happening in Russia on Jews. :'(
Really sad and relly ironic that the same enemies who want to destroy :israel: also want to destroy Russia, but yet Russians love muslamics to death. :o
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How can I hold any dialogue with person who calls nation which lost 27 million people fighting Hitler a nazi nation?
Your opponents will probably just say that Russia fought the Germans for their own reasons like how Muslims are always fighting and genociding each other.
Russia still rules, IMO.
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Your opponents will probably just say that Russia fought the Germans for their own reasons like how Muslims are always fighting and genociding each other.
Russia still rules, IMO.
The only reason commies and America worked together was to fight a common enemy, the Nazis. And since then they have done nothing but destroy my country! [censored] THEM!
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You want to know what freedom is, it's Masada, it's Israel, it's America! It's what you can do for your country not what your country can do for you! G-d gave us free-will, if your so weak, that you need the government to babysit you all the time, fine you live with that! Not me, G-d gave me free-will, freedom, and those like me, will rather die, than live under a dictatorship!
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It is yet to be understood whether the communist ruling junta of Russia and America are together or opposite and what are their mutual and individual relationships with the communist ruling junta of China. This matter is so complex that even after the absolute and total rejection of marx, lenin and mao, now is the most serious time for global takeover by the communism. Their friends muslamics will wholeheartedly support them everywhere.
In nutshell during such an avalanche the righteous Serbs do not stand a single chance except for a divine intervention.
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Man is this Peres stupid.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-palestinians-arafat-probebre8aa0c2-20121111,0,3346844.story
Russia to help probe Arafat's death, Palestinian president says
Ali Sawafta
November 11, 2012
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Man is this Peres stupid.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-palestinians-arafat-probebre8aa0c2-20121111,0,3346844.story
Russia to help probe Arafat's death, Palestinian president says
Ali Sawafta
November 11, 2012
>>Polonium is the radioactive substance found to have killed former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006.<<
So it will be proved beyond doubt that the Russians killed their best friend Arafat through the use of Polonium-210.
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>>Polonium is the radioactive substance found to have killed former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006.<<
So it will be proved beyond doubt that the Russians killed their best friend Arafat through the use of Polonium-210.
BUSTED
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It is yet to be understood whether the communist ruling junta of Russia and America are together or opposite and what are their mutual and individual relationships with the communist ruling junta of China. This matter is so complex that even after the absolute and total rejection of marx, lenin and mao, now is the most serious time for global takeover by the communism. Their friends muslamics will wholeheartedly support them everywhere.
Interesting post syyuge. I was reasoning along the same lines. People think communism is dead and buried, but when I tell them that they are closer than ever to ruling the world, they laugh. What form of communism will that be, I don't know.
In nutshell during such an avalanche the righteous Serbs do not stand a single chance except for a divine intervention.
That goes for everyone.
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Then so are Rabbi Berel Wein's claims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxBODnlcYMU&feature=share&list=ULPxBODnlcYMU
If, in any of those 50-year periods in which antisemitic emperors reigned, the Jews were persecuted bitterly and likely would have been exterminated in the land of Israel and the middle east in general as Berel Wein claims, then what I claimed (without caring that much whether it was true or not) obviously would not be nonsense for the reasons you gave. I don't really know or care if what I stated was nonsense for other reasons though.
Also, what you wrote just describes the laws and commands of the emperor. How did the masses of Christians treat the Jews, and how well were the laws enforced to protect the Jews from them? Take South Africa for instance. Whites there have all kinds of rights on paper, but the government does not really do anything to protect whites from being murdered by the jealous mobs.
You must use simple logic. Byzantine empire lasted over 1,000 years. If Jews were to be exterminated do you think there was not enough time? Also, empire was in full force for another several hundred years after birth of islam. So this rabbi claims that islam actually saved Jews?
As you know in any country that Jews lived in past 2,000 years they were minority with different religion. Serbs were 10 times more persecuted under Byzantines than Jews and they were Christians.
I know that pains of your people hurt more than pains of other nations because it is your people's pain. But think for second, were religious Christians persecuted as much as religious Jews in Russia? Any uprising of ordinary serfs was crushed where thousands of Russians would die in horrific way. Jews endured just as much as any other citizen endured if tyrant was in power. And seems to me that there always some tyrant there in power.
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Ok, lets go back long before 1471. Do you believe life of ordinary Russian was better under 3 century Jewish of occupation? Slavic hero Sviatoslav I won freedom for his oppressed people in 965 before helping his Serb brothers in Balkans. If we look at history, people of Jewish faith attacked Russians first and oppressed them with high taxation for 3 centuries. If we are to talk about persecution lets start from the beginning.
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The Jews "occupied" and "oppressed" Russia for three centuries?!? This is Nazi anti-Semitism. The Jews never ruled over any country other than Israel. The Jews were always a hated and persecuted minority in Russia. If not for Jewish brains and Jewish talent, the jealous drunken Russian pigs would never have been anything other than a very primitive nation. The Jews were the best thing that ever happened to Russia. That's why the Russians would not let the Jews leave for so many years. That's also why the Russians are now begging the Jews to return to that G-d forsaken, hideous nation. The Jews were 1% of the Soviet population, but were 50% of the professors, scientists and engineers.
A holocaust center? You must be joking. If not for the 1939 alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, there might not have been a holocaust. The blood of the 6 million Jews who were murdered in the holocaust is on the hands of the Russians who divided up Poland with Hitler, enabling the slaughter of Polish Jewry to begin.
For 700 years, the Jews were murdered, tortured, held hostage and forced to assimilate by the envious drunken Russkies.
The Jews had a saying: "Mother Russia, I'd rather be an orphan."
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I love Chaim's answers.
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The Jews "occupied" and "oppressed" Russia for three centuries?!? This is Nazi anti-Semitism. The Jews never ruled over any country other than Israel. The Jews were always a hated and persecuted minority in Russia. If not for Jewish brains and Jewish talent, the jealous drunken Russian pigs would never have been anything other than a very primitive nation. The Jews were the best thing that ever happened to Russia. That's why the Russians would not let the Jews leave for so many years. That's also why the Russians are now begging the Jews to return to that G-d forsaken, hideous nation. The Jews were 1% of the Soviet population, but were 50% of the professors, scientists and engineers.
A holocaust center? You must be joking. If not for the 1939 alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, there might not have been a holocaust. The blood of the 6 million Jews who were murdered in the holocaust is on the hands of the Russians who divided up Poland with Hitler, enabling the slaughter of Polish Jewry to begin.
For 700 years, the Jews were murdered, tortured, held hostage and forced to assimilate by the envious drunken Russkies.
The Jews had a saying: "Mother Russia, I'd rather be an orphan."
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The Jews "occupied" and "oppressed" Russia for three centuries?!? This is Nazi anti-Semitism. The Jews never ruled over any country other than Israel. The Jews were always a hated and persecuted minority in Russia. If not for Jewish brains and Jewish talent, the jealous drunken Russian pigs would never have been anything other than a very primitive nation. The Jews were the best thing that ever happened to Russia. That's why the Russians would not let the Jews leave for so many years. That's also why the Russians are now begging the Jews to return to that G-d forsaken, hideous nation. The Jews were 1% of the Soviet population, but were 50% of the professors, scientists and engineers.
A holocaust center? You must be joking. If not for the 1939 alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, there might not have been a holocaust. The blood of the 6 million Jews who were murdered in the holocaust is on the hands of the Russians who divided up Poland with Hitler, enabling the slaughter of Polish Jewry to begin.
For 700 years, the Jews were murdered, tortured, held hostage and forced to assimilate by the envious drunken Russkies.
The Jews had a saying: "Mother Russia, I'd rather be an orphan."
Your attitude toward Russian people is very racist. At least your post is composed as such. Khazars ruled European part or Russia for a long time and oppressed Russians with high taxation. Khazars are nation of Mongol origin that accepted Jewish faith and brought thousands of Jews from all over the world to their kingdom. This is not some conspiracy theory but easily verified information even of Wikipedia.
Stalin knew he can't challenge crazy hitler. Price of dividing Poland was much less costly than going to war with at that time world's greatest power. At least it would buy some time for Russians to modernize army to at least try opposing upcoming invasion. Hitler wanted entire Slavic population murdered or made part of German nation. Only retarded person at that time did not know that.
So, even if deal was never cut about dividing Poland, hitler woud simply invade and murder whomever he wanted to. There was no one to stop his war machine. Events if first two years prove that I am right. Only modernization of Russian forces stopped crazy hitler.
Russian nation lost 27 million people fighting the war vs 100,000 Americans so I will let you to think who to thank for German defeat. Without Russian war efforts right now there would be no Jews!!
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Jewish survival is due to God's always protecting a remnant and not due to Russians or any other earthly power.
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Your attitude toward Russian people is very racist. At least your post is composed as such. Khazars ruled European part or Russia for a long time and oppressed Russians with high taxation. Khazars are nation of Mongol origin that accepted Jewish faith and brought thousands of Jews from all over the world to their kingdom. This is not some conspiracy theory but easily verified information even of Wikipedia.
Stalin knew he can't challenge crazy hitler. Price of dividing Poland was much less costly than going to war with at that time world's greatest power. At least it would buy some time for Russians to modernize army to at least try opposing upcoming invasion. Hitler wanted entire Slavic population murdered or made part of German nation. Only retarded person at that time did not know that.
So, even if deal was never cut about dividing Poland, hitler woud simply invade and murder whomever he wanted to. There was no one to stop his war machine. Events if first two years prove that I am right. Only modernization of Russian forces stopped crazy hitler.
Russian nation lost 27 million people fighting the war vs 100,000 Americans so I will let you to think who to thank for German defeat. Without Russian war efforts right now there would be no Jews!!
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More absurd Nazi lies.
Only a very small portion of the Khazars converted to Judaism. The Jews never ruled over anyone. They were always a tiny percent of the total population. And the Jews were always treated like fourth class citizens - hated, envied, persecuted and murdered. Russian Jews lived in terrible poverty - worse than that of the average Russians. Jews from around the world used to raise money to feed Russian Jews who were literally starving under the Tzar.
To show how anti-Semitic the evil Russians were, Jews who were drafted into the army were forced to serve for 25 or 30 years under horrific conditions. Russian non-Jews only served 2 or 3 years. And that was before the nightmarish days of Communism, when the persecution grew far worse. Under the Communists, Judaism was outlawed. Any Jew caught studying Torah or learning Hebrew was sent to Siberian concentration camps. Any Jew who applied to leave the "Soviet paradise" was arrested by the KGB and sent to Siberia.
The Soviets desperately wanted the Jews to remain in the USSR because the Jews were the brains. Even today, 1 million Russian Jews in Israel produce far more inventions and technology than 150 million Russians. Israeli technology is vastly superior to Russian technology - which is astonishing when one considers that Israel has only 5.5 million Jews. Furthermore, most of the technology that Russia currently has was invented by Jews.
So you justify the Soviet-Nazi pact of 1939 with the same excuses used by Communist propagandists. Poor Stalin had no choice but to form an alliance with Nazi Germany, you say. After all, the Soviet Union only had three times the population of Nazi Germany - how could defend themselves? Pathetic.
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More absurd Nazi lies.
Only a very small portion of the Khazars converted to Judaism. The Jews never ruled over anyone. They were always a tiny percent of the total population. And the Jews were always treated like fourth class citizens - hated, envied, persecuted and murdered. Russian Jews lived in terrible poverty - worse than that of the average Russians. Jews from around the world used to raise money to feed Russian Jews who were literally starving under the Tzar.
To show how anti-Semitic the evil Russians were, Jews who were drafted into the army were forced to serve for 25 or 30 years under horrific conditions. Russian non-Jews only served 2 or 3 years. And that was before the nightmarish days of Communism, when the persecution grew far worse. Under the Communists, Judaism was outlawed. Any Jew caught studying Torah or learning Hebrew was sent to Siberian concentration camps. Any Jew who applied to leave the "Soviet paradise" was arrested by the KGB and sent to Siberia.
The Soviets desperately wanted the Jews to remain in the USSR because the Jews were the brains. Even today, 1 million Russian Jews in Israel produce far more inventions and technology than 150 million Russians. Israeli technology is vastly superior to Russian technology - which is astonishing when one considers that Israel has only 5.5 million Jews. Furthermore, most of the technology that Russia currently has was invented by Jews.
So you justify the Soviet-Nazi pact of 1939 with the same excuses used by Communist propagandists. Poor Stalin had no choice but to form an alliance with Nazi Germany, you say. After all, the Soviet Union only had three times the population of Nazi Germany - how could defend themselves? Pathetic.
First two years of war prove how able Soviets were to defend themselves. Russians soldiers were captured in tens of thousands.
Great number of Khazars converted with the nobility leading the trend. If a synagogue was to be destroyed in any country in the world, a mosque or Christian church was destroyed by Khazars. So it seems they were very religious and protectors of the Jewish faith.
You can't credit the Jews for every invention or technology produced. Do I think Jews are very smart. Yes I do and my reasoning is supported by scientific evidence. Do I think right now Jews have superior technology to Russians? I don't think so. If we look at "primitive" Iranians and their technology Jews have long ways to go inventing something to penetrated their bunkers. I know you are a nationalist but you can't credit Jews for everything invented and produced in this world.
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First two years of war prove how able Soviets were to defend themselves. Russians soldiers were captured in tens of thousands.
Great number of Khazars converted with the nobility leading the trend. If a synagogue was to be destroyed in any country in the world, a mosque or Christian church was destroyed by Khazars. So it seems they were very religious and protectors of the Jewish faith.
You can't credit the Jews for every invention or technology produced. Do I think Jews are very smart. Yes I do and my reasoning is supported by scientific evidence. Do I think right now Jews have superior technology to Russians? I don't think so. If we look at "primitive" Iranians and their technology Jews have long ways to go inventing something to penetrated their bunkers. I know you are a nationalist but you can't credit Jews for everything invented and produced in this world.
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Only the King and the nobility class among the Khazars converted. This was a very small number of people. Those who claim that large numbers of ordinary Khazars converted are discredited Nazi anti-Semites.
You write about the Iranian bunkers like someone who is on the side of Iran. I suppose you support Muslim Nazi Iran just like the Russians do.
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Only the King and the nobility class among the Khazars converted. This was a very small number of people. Those who claim that large numbers of ordinary Khazars converted are discredited Nazi anti-Semites.
You write about the Iranian bunkers like someone who is on the side of Iran. I suppose you support Muslim Nazi Iran just like the Russians do.
Ok, I can accept that only king and nobility converted and called in thousands of Jews into their empire. But was I wrong saying that Khazars ruled Russians and oppressed them? I also believe that very same rule was much less oppressive than what came after the collapse of Khazar empire. Here I don't think I am claiming anything false. Number of converts is not really an issue for me as I am not in conspiracy theories but just stating historical facts.
I am writing you about Iranian bunkers to show you that you can't claim superiority of one nation to every other nation on this Earth. If Israel has problems to overcome Iranian technology just do comparison to Russian technology which is 10 times more advanced.
Also I don't think Iran is a nazi nation because of fact that they were neutral and occupied by Russian and British forces in WWII.
Modern Russian politicians are very self centered. They do not want war on their borders and that is normal. You can't blame them for that as you would do the same thing.
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Ok, I can accept that only king and nobility converted and called in thousands of Jews into their empire. But was I wrong saying that Khazars ruled Russians and oppressed them? I also believe that very same rule was much less oppressive than what came after the collapse of Khazar empire. Here I don't think I am claiming anything false. Number of converts is not really an issue for me as I am not in conspiracy theories but just stating historical facts.
I am writing you about Iranian bunkers to show you that you can't claim superiority of one nation to every other nation on this Earth. If Israel has problems to overcome Iranian technology just do comparison to Russian technology which is 10 times more advanced.
Also I don't think Iran is a nazi nation because of fact that they were neutral and occupied by Russian and British forces in WWII.
Modern Russian politicians are very self centered. They do not want war on their borders and that is normal. You can't blame them for that as you would do the same thing.
You say, "Iran is not a Nazi nation"?!?!?!?!??!!? :o :o :o :o :o :o
So I guess Holocaust denial and the desire to wipe Israel off the map is not Nazi like to you? I'm shocked!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Iran didn't recognize the imaginary "state of Kosovo". That is a fact, nothing more (before any storm of accusations).
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So that means you also support Iran.
Well, the two of you have certainly succeeded in undermining any possible cooperation between Jews and Serbs. You support Muslim Nazis who seek genocide against our people. You also repeat some of the worst anti-Semitic propaganda.
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I don't think Lady 10 said she supports Iran and in fact she clarified that. But I think it's insane for Serbs or anyone else to see any possibility of being allied to Muslims in any way, shape, or form under any circumstances. Chaim is right.
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Mr Pesach, that was a fact, Iran did not recognize the false state Kosovo. The less countries do that, the better. I however am not stupid not to know the other fact, which is that the muslims from Iran came to Bosnia during the war to support Bosnian muslims by killing the Serbs and raping Serbian women and children.
First off, Muslims nations do not support each other especially when it is Sunni vs. Shia. So the fact that Iran doesn't support a Kosovo...doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if Iran wished the total destruction of Turkey, Egypt, Iraq and Saudi Arabia either.
So just because they may or may not be anti-Kosovo doesn't make them the good guys. If a Nazi supported the existence of Serbia, you would accept their help...am I wrong in assuming that?
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I utterly disagree with a statement that I supposedly "support Muslim Nazis". I also don't think that's JTFer serbian army does either. If that was the case, then he would be banned already and as I can see he is a member of this forum for years. The thing that I simply acknowledge a fact that a certain country didn't recognize a part of our country as an independent, is what I said: an acknowledgment and not "anti-Semitic propaganda" by any means. It was not any type of attack against Israel.And I would also never support muslims over Jewish people, and had never said the opposite.
Serbia has recently joined the EU sanctions against Iran because of its nuclear program and lifted sanctions to stop international payments and import of gas from Iran. Serbia doesn't support Iran's nuclear program, although Russia criticizes several times the EU sanctions on Iran.
This diplomatic act means that our country doesn't "jump when and where Russia tells us to", like one JTFer posted on this topic.
I know that you were not defending Iran. But it certainly appeared that Serbian Army was, and he said a lot of awful and crazy things (like that Jews "oppressed" Russians for 300 years).
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You say, "Iran is not a Nazi nation"?!?!?!?!??!!? :o :o :o :o :o :o
So I guess Holocaust denial and the desire to wipe Israel off the map is not Nazi like to you? I'm shocked!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
How can I accept claims that Russians are nazis when their nation endured horrific loss of 27 million people to defeat hitler's forces?
How can I accept claims that Iranians are nazis when they were occupied by the allied forces and totally neutral in WWII?
If you torture me, kill me, do any imaginary suffering possible to me, I will not accept such false claims.
I also think it is a terrible tragedy for Iranians to associate themselves with any nazi historians claiming that Holocaust is Jewish conspiracy. They should should apologize right now for that. BUT I believe no one in the world can claim their part in Holocaust whatsoever.
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When we say Nazi we mean anyone who hates and has been an enemy of the Jewish people at any time, not just somebody who formally belonged to or worked for the Third Reich. However, the ONLY reason Iran was not in the Axis was because the Soviets and British occupied it. The entire Muslim world wanted to join the Axis, you know that.
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Listen Here,
I don't care about the Serbs or the Bosnians or anyone else for that matter. On this issue of Russia and its treatment of the Jewish people I have ONE THING TO SAY.... The Russians were evil in their mistreatment of the Jewish people. I know this as a descendant of Ukrainian and Polish Jews. My family was persecuted and left before the major troubles came down, but they were lucky because so many of my fellow Ukrainian Jews and Polish Jews met a fate worse than death.
The wiki page which I posted only mentions very large pogroms, but there were many which were not as publicized. The Jew hatred which existed in Russia was mainly from the Church but had support from the highest level of the government. My forefathers were not RICH JEWISH BANKERS in Ukraine, they were not masters of the financial institutions in Uman, they were not monopolists who controlled the free market. They were plain and simple town-folks who worked as laborers in the field. The story that my grandfathers came here with little more than a few dollars in their pocket are a sign to me that they left everything because they had nothing there in Ukraine.
I have heard from Jews from Russia that they hid their Judaism from everyone, even being afraid to have to shower with the non-Jewish children for fear they would notice he was circumcised. I have heard that Jews were treated worse than blacks were treated during segregation in the South here in America. I have heard that Jews would be routinely harassed if the non-Jewish neighbors knew you were of Jewish descent. It sounded like until recently it was HELL FOR a JEW on Earth in Russia.
And the stories I have heard about religious Jews being hauled off to Siberia for simply teaching Judaism. Those who tried to help Jews keep the religion would also be persecuted. It is no wonder that many Russian Jews are very careful to whom they reveal their inherited religion. I used to go to a Synagogue with a guy who came from Russia, who is actually an officer in the Synagogues organization, who would tell me stories about how he would never tell anyone that he was a Jew.
It is nothing short of CHUTZPAH to deny the facts that Russia and the Soviet system both have a desire to persecute Jews. There is NO EXCUSE for it as Serbian Army suggests. And Chaim is correct that the Khazar empire did not entirely convert to Judaism, it was mainly the aristocracy of the empire which converted {as this is documented in a great Jewish writing}. And to blame Jews for their own suffering is an evil thing to do. The Jews were forced to do the jobs they did because the laws were written restricting what jobs a Jew could do. The fact that Jews are very often quite intelligent in their business dealings is not something to be hated for, but it seems non-Jews will always find an excuse to hate the Jew..
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I haven't posted here in a long time. I'd just like to say as far as the Russian issue is concerned, I don't blame any Jews for hating Russia, they have every right to be angry. When the Serbian section was first made, Chaim was fully aware that Russia was our main ally and he was fine with it. That does not mean that the crimes against the Jews done by Russians were to be forgotten or denied.
Chaim and the administrators fully understood our ties to the Russians as a people because of our religion and the fact that they are the lone power to support our fight against Muslims and they accepted it. I will say though as a general rule, many Serbs sometimes give too much credit to Russia as when we needed them the most in March 1999, they gave the go-ahead to the U.S. to start bombing. So I am not all that in love with them myself.
You can say anything you like Russia calls the shots in your country and still does... Russia tells you Serbians to jump and the Serbian government asks how high the jumping needs to be...
You're so completely ignorant it's laughable. That statement alone shows how clueless you are. You probably also think that Russian and Serbian is the same thing. With the current regime in Serbia, the U.S. and the EU have more say in what Serbia does these days than anybody on the planet.
In my opinion Clinton did not do enough to help your country when he had the opportunity... He should have done far more...Serbs and Russians are one in the same in my book
America is great and America can do no wrong. Typical American chauvinism and ignorance. This is why so much of the world hates you. In my opinion, Hurricane Sandy did not do enough to help you and your family, she should have done far more.
You hate Russia but you don't even know why anymore, you're so brainwashed. I can understand why Jews would hate Russia and they have every right to. You're not Jewish though, you're just stuck in the cold war years. The cold war ended over 20 years ago, get your head out of the sand.
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I haven't posted here in a long time. I'd just like to say as far as the Russian issue is concerned, I don't blame any Jews for hating Russia, they have every right to be angry. When the Serbian section was first made, Chaim was fully aware that Russia was our main ally and he was fine with it. That does not mean that the crimes against the Jews done by Russians were to be forgotten or denied.
Chaim and the administrators fully understood our ties to the Russians as a people because of our religion and the fact that they are the lone power to support our fight against Muslims and they accepted it. I will say though as a general rule, many Serbs sometimes give too much credit to Russia as when we needed them the most in March 1999, they gave the go-ahead to the U.S. to start bombing. So I am not all that in love with them myself.
You're so completely ignorant it's laughable. That statement alone shows how clueless you are. You probably also think that Russian and Serbian is the same thing. With the current regime in Serbia, the U.S. and the EU have more say in what Serbia does these days than anybody on the planet.
America is great and America can do no wrong. Typical American chauvinism and ignorance. This is why so much of the world hates you. In my opinion, Hurricane Sandy did not do enough to help you and your family, she should have done far more.
You hate Russia but you don't even know why anymore, you're so brainwashed. I can understand why Jews would hate Russia and they have every right to. You're not Jewish though, you're just stuck in the cold war years. The cold war ended over 20 years ago, get your head out of the sand.
Very good post Serbian Canadian.
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Let's say for the sake of argument that 100% of the scientific advances of Russia were made by Jews. Then 100% of it was made by Russians as Jews living in Russia were Russians. Nobody carried them there on slave ships...
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I was a fan of JTF for years, I have been reading this forum for years too so I know YOUR OWN opinion on other religions besides islam. Whatever you say about US, it really doesn't surprise me one bit.
If you don't like me telling a story from my own personal experience about Bosnian Muslims, then don't read the post. You constantly imply how some people here "hate Jews", and if that is really the truth I don't think JTFer serbian army, me or any other Serbian JTFer would come here at first place. So if someone said something unappropriate, then that person (whoever it is) will be banned.
I am not here to tell "Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda", my family fought against Nazis, my ancestors lost their lives, my family friends are Jews....
I rest my case here.
lady10,
I apologize if my statement was blunt. I honestly do care about all people who are suffering. I do not know enough about your conflict to comment sensibly. And I am glad you and your family were righteous concerning Jews and the issues of Jewish people.
I am not making any personal accusations about my statements concerning Jew hatred in Ukraine, Soviet Union & Russia, and Europe. Also I do not deny that other people have been grossly mistreated by these same governments and institutions. We are living in the shadow of the 'Cold War' which I feel for some strange reason is lurking under the surface to this day.
I am not telling you what you should or should not say either. You are free to express your opinion... And do not take my arguments personally.
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I think it's gonna turn out either that Jews have a right to hate Russia and so do we on their behalf or that neither we nor the Jews have a right to hate Russia.
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I was a fan of JTF for years, I have been reading this forum for years too so I know YOUR OWN opinion on other religions besides islam. Whatever you say about US, it really doesn't surprise me one bit.
If you don't like me telling a story from my own personal experience about Bosnian Muslims, then don't read the post. You constantly imply how some people here "hate Jews", and if that is really the truth I don't think JTFer serbian army, me or any other Serbian JTFer would come here at first place. So if someone said something unappropriate, then that person (whoever it is) will be banned.
I am not here to tell "Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda", my family fought against Nazis, my ancestors lost their lives, my family friends are Jews....
I rest my case here.
Lady 10, JTF does care about the Serbs. You can't take any individual opinions here as JTF position.
However, we are also very upset about Russian anti-Semitism.
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@ Serbian Canadian!
"America is great and America can do no wrong. Typical American chauvinism and ignorance. This is why so much of the world hates you. In my opinion, Hurricane Sandy did not do enough to help you and your family, she should have done far more. "
America is great! If it wasn't for us, the world would of killed each other off! Fine maybe we should of let everybody slaughter each other!
"You hate Russia but you don't even know why anymore, you're so brainwashed. I can understand why Jews would hate Russia and they have every right to. You're not Jewish though, you're just stuck in the cold war years. The cold war ended over 20 years ago, get your head out of the sand."
Why do I hate Russia? Because of its communist influence on the Western world! Maybe if there wasn't a progressive communist influence on the United States, the US wouldn't of attack Serbians!
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I'm really horrified at the posts here.... Especially the one about Hurricane Sandy not doing enough to injure Americans... I think there needs to be some moderation here.
Also... it is beyond me that there are members here who don't recognize that Putin is an evil opportunist. He is actively helping to arm the Iranians and helping with their Nuclear program.
That doesnt mean all Russians or Ukranians are evil... I will use my famous quote.... I know many Russians/Ukranians who are decent people (including myself)... but my god.... Putin is NOT one of them.
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@ Serbian Canadian!
"America is great and America can do no wrong. Typical American chauvinism and ignorance. This is why so much of the world hates you. In my opinion, Hurricane Sandy did not do enough to help you and your family, she should have done far more. "
America is great! If it wasn't for us, the world would of killed each other off! Fine maybe we should of let everybody slaughter each other!
"You hate Russia but you don't even know why anymore, you're so brainwashed. I can understand why Jews would hate Russia and they have every right to. You're not Jewish though, you're just stuck in the cold war years. The cold war ended over 20 years ago, get your head out of the sand."
Why do I hate Russia? Because of its communist influence on the Western world! Maybe if there wasn't a progressive communist influence on the United States, the US wouldn't of attack Serbians!
Chill out dude. SC came on here to try to smooth things out here. He said nothing wrong.
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I haven't posted here in a long time. I'd just like to say as far as the Russian issue is concerned, I don't blame any Jews for hating Russia, they have every right to be angry. When the Serbian section was first made, Chaim was fully aware that Russia was our main ally and he was fine with it. That does not mean that the crimes against the Jews done by Russians were to be forgotten or denied.
Chaim and the administrators fully understood our ties to the Russians as a people because of our religion and the fact that they are the lone power to support our fight against Muslims and they accepted it. I will say though as a general rule, many Serbs sometimes give too much credit to Russia as when we needed them the most in March 1999, they gave the go-ahead to the U.S. to start bombing. So I am not all that in love with them myself.
We have no problem with Serbs seeking the support of Russia. In fact, I wish Russia would support the Serbs far more.
But to open a deliberately provocative thread praising Russian behavior toward the Jews, praising the left-wing traitor Shimon Peres, and lecturing the Jews on how we should be grateful to the Russian mass murderers who slaughtered and tortured our people for centuries is the height of arrogance and ignorance.
Worse yet, "Serbian army" had the unmitigated gall to justify Russian genocide against the Jews by stating that the Jews "occupied" Russia for three centuries and taxed the Russian people. This type of Nazi Jew-hatred comes right out of Hitler's Meine Kampf: accusing the Jews of secretly controlling nations. Obviously, this vicious anti-Semitism can only harm relations between Serbs and Jews.
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I haven't posted here in a long time. I'd just like to say as far as the Russian issue is concerned, I don't blame any Jews for hating Russia, they have every right to be angry. When the Serbian section was first made, Chaim was fully aware that Russia was our main ally and he was fine with it. That does not mean that the crimes against the Jews done by Russians were to be forgotten or denied.
Chaim and the administrators fully understood our ties to the Russians as a people because of our religion and the fact that they are the lone power to support our fight against Muslims and they accepted it. I will say though as a general rule, many Serbs sometimes give too much credit to Russia as when we needed them the most in March 1999, they gave the go-ahead to the U.S. to start bombing. So I am not all that in love with them myself.
You're so completely ignorant it's laughable. That statement alone shows how clueless you are. You probably also think that Russian and Serbian is the same thing. With the current regime in Serbia, the U.S. and the EU have more say in what Serbia does these days than anybody on the planet.
America is great and America can do no wrong. Typical American chauvinism and ignorance. This is why so much of the world hates you. In my opinion, Hurricane Sandy did not do enough to help you and your family, she should have done far more.
You hate Russia but you don't even know why anymore, you're so brainwashed. I can understand why Jews would hate Russia and they have every right to. You're not Jewish though, you're just stuck in the cold war years. The cold war ended over 20 years ago, get your head out of the sand.
Yes in my eyes the United States is great and can do no wrong... For me Sandy was a minor inconvenience... The storm damage was minimal and my time without actual power was very short less then a few hours... I had backup power right along to serve most of my needs... I am an old style American that deals with my problems not pisses and moans about every so called injustice real or made up... Any storm damage will soon be repaired and in my case its not even worth talking about... My family and I will be just fine we did not spend one single night cold, hungry or in the dark... It was not the first of such storms nor will it be the last... As I said Serbia can cozy up to Russia all it likes... Russia is a savior that expects more in return than it gives out... You Serbs deserve a savior like Russia... In the end Russia may give you the same fine treatment you claim it gave its Jewish citizens... As far as the United States being hated well what can we do it's just the way it is... I know it's not costing most Americans any lost sleep.
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Worse yet, "Serbian army" had the unmitigated gall to justify Russian genocide against the Jews by stating that the Jews "occupied" Russia for three centuries and taxed the Russian people. This type of Nazi Jew-hatred comes right out of Hitler's Meine Kampf: accusing the Jews of secretly controlling nations. Obviously, this vicious anti-Semitism can only harm relations between Serbs and Jews.
I agree and he should have known better. The real problem here is that everytime someone opens up a thread about Russia, it turns into this and we have fighting amongst some Serbian and non-Serbian members.
In the end Russia may give you the same fine treatment you claim it gave its Jewish citizens...
I never made this claim. "Serbian army" doesn't speak for all of us.
And I am actually glad you are okay cjd, because I am not the kind of person who wishes hardship on others (contrary to your opinion that we should have been bombed even more). I simply wrote that to make a point.
Also, we are not whining or moaning about the fact that the U.S. attacked Serbia, it is merely presented as a fact and denounced. Chaim and Ben Moshe certainly weren't whining about it when they made their videos on YouTube, they were saying how heinous and treacherous it was, considering how loyal we were to the U.S. in both World Wars. Ater all, the whole point of a forum is to have discussions.
I also don't hate America or Americans in general, I have many American friends and I have family living there. There are a lot of things I like about America and some things I dislike (I know you don't care but I'm pointing it out anyway).
If you think that every action your country takes is great and that the bombing wasn't such a bad thing and in fact that it was a good thing, I can't change your mind and I'm not going to. Just know that as long as you stay in JTF, you're on a pro-American and pro-Serbian forum.
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Let's keep a few things in perspective, shall we?
1: Serbian_army said some crazy, wild, and anti-Semitic things for no reason at all and none of us were going to ignore that.
2: Serbs will always gravitate towards Russia as their ally for historical and ethnic reasons. This does not mean they are no different than Russians.
3: This does NOT mean that the rest of JTF will support Russia or Russians.
4: Serbs have every right to be upset at the United States because of the way the U.S. government and the overwhelming majority of U.S. politicians have treated them. That being said, some Americans have never agreed with this, such as most JTFers.
5: American/Western JTF members have every right to support the health and welfare of America.
6: All JTFers must oppose Obama and support the Serbs.
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Didn't realize "serbian army" was a closet antisemite with nonsensical conspiracy-theorist and hitler-like paranoia about Jews. This thread was eye opening to say the least. "Serbian army" you are a disgrace.
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Documentary evidence as to the presence of Jews in Muscovite Russia is first found in the chronicles of 1471.
Wow, pretty early for Russia. Impressive. Jews were in Western and Central Europe before getting to the east and I wasn't aware of when that movement really started taking place.
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Ok, lets go back long before 1471. Do you believe life of ordinary Russian was better under 3 century Jewish of occupation? Slavic hero Sviatoslav I won freedom for his oppressed people in 965 before helping his Serb brothers in Balkans. If we look at history, people of Jewish faith attacked Russians first and oppressed them with high taxation for 3 centuries. If we are to talk about persecution lets start from the beginning.
lol, are you on crack?
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In 212, Caracalla bestowed citizenship on all its residents, including the Jews. This granted Jews legal equality to all other citizens, and formed the foundation of their legal status in Byzantium following the founding of Constantinople in 330.[1] Indeed, Jews enjoyed the right to practice their faith under the rule of the Byzantines, as long as they paid the Fiscus Judaicus. For example, circumcision, which was considered mutilation and therefore punishable by death if performed on a non-Jewish child, and by exile if performed on a non-Jewish adult, was legally permitted within Jewish religious practices. Byzantine law recognized synagogues as places of worship, which could not be arbitrarily molested, Jewish courts had the force of law in civil cases, and Jews could not be forced to violate Shabbat and their festivals.
I guess some "historians" have rewritten the byzantine history books in the same way you are trying to rewrite russia's murderous nazi past. Maybe you forget that the "victors" aren't the only ones who keep history books, as long as some of their victims survive.
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Your opponents will probably just say that Russia fought the Germans for their own reasons like how Muslims are always fighting and genociding each other.
Russia still rules, IMO.
You do realize that Russia was allied with Hitler until he betrayed them right?
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Your attitude toward Russian people is very racist. At least your post is composed as such. Khazars ruled European part or Russia for a long time and oppressed Russians with high taxation. Khazars are nation of Mongol origin that accepted Jewish faith and brought thousands of Jews from all over the world to their kingdom. This is not some conspiracy theory but easily verified information even of Wikipedia.
Brought thousands of Jews from all over the world? LOL what planet do you live on? Khazar Kingdom was pretty small, and it didn't last long. And are you really blaming JEWS for the taxation levels of the Khazar Kingdom in the 11th century? And this somehow has anything to do with modern day Russia. Or even the pogroms in the 1600's and 1700's. LOLOLOLOL. Right, and you can really point to what the taxation levels were. Cause you have all the Khazar Bureau of Labor Statistics data from 1100 years ago. And you have a detailed history of that kingdom which no one ever wrote. And of course primary sources describing "Life in 10th century Khazaria" which as well no one ever wrote. Do you even realize how insane you sound?
Meanwhile, you cite the excessive taxation of the Byzantines against Jews just for being Jewish, (yup, a racist tax based on ethnicity and religion, not simply a govt taxing people to run the govt affairs - a victimizing tax), and you say to us that we escaped lucky because we should be happy that they chose to excessively tax us rather than murder us. (But in reality they did murder and persecute many - but you ignore this).
Your post is incredibly misleading and ignorant. Congrats.
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Ok, I can accept that only king and nobility converted and called in thousands of Jews into their empire.
THOUSANDS? Produce documentation for this claim. There is none.
But was I wrong saying that Khazars ruled Russians and oppressed them?
Complete baloney that you invented.
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Your attitude toward Russian people is very racist.
Inform me, serbian army, what exactly did Chaim say that made you think his attitude towards Russians is racist. Is it because he pointed out that Russians are primitive drunken pigs who are unable to create anything without Jewish brains, and that Jews are the ones who made Russia a prosperous nation until Russians suddenly decided to exterminate them? What so "racist" about it? Everything that Chaim said about Russian pigs is true. They are bunch of lazy primitive drunken jealous fascist parasites who always hated the Jews for being a smart nation and a light upon the nations of Earth.
Khazars ruled European part or Russia for a long time and oppressed Russians with high taxation. Khazars are nation of Mongol origin that accepted Jewish faith and brought thousands of Jews from all over the world to their kingdom. This is not some conspiracy theory but easily verified information even of Wikipedia.
Really? Khazars brought Jews from all over the world to Russia to oppress russian parasites with taxation? To your supposed "knowledge", Jews are not allowed to stay anywhere besides the land of Israel. So, what you're saying is just another "ZOG"-type conspiracy theory. Btw, did you know that Wikipedia is a so-called "source" which can be edited anytime by anyone?
Without Russian war efforts right now there would be no Jews!!
Quite opposite, my comrade!
Ohh, btw, do you know Russian? Here is an old anti-Israel Russian Nazi demonstration taking place in front of an Israel embassy in Moscow. Yet, another proof that Russia shall be destroyed! :nuke:
This piece of sh!t on a video mentions the word 'kike' several times and nonstopply talks about so-called "Jewish fascism". Yemach Shmum Vezichrum to these animals.
Notice how many russoparasites are presented there. Notice that most demonstrators are white Russians with only few muzzies there. >:(
Flag this videos, if possible!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsFuNTOsOQ
5:44 - this nazi scum claims that mein kampf is legal in Israel? what? >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9PUKNN3OGM&feature=relmfu
1:40 - Russoscum with posters which say "Russians and palestinians are brothers in war" (left) and "Terrorism has a birthplace - USA and Israel" (right)
2:40-2:53 - piece of sh!t blames Jews for alledged genocide of 2,200,000 parasictic russians
5:11 - calls for the extermination of the Jews and refers to them as scum
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Down with SPECTRE
IDF / IAF are the best
sorry been watching a james bond marathon on the computer
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Down with SPECTRE
IDF / IAF are the best
sorry been watching a james bond marathon on the computer
Ah, SPECTRE = SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion
I loved the old James Bond movies... Anyone seen Skyfall? So far it seems like the only movie I have any interest in seeing..
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Everything that Chaim said about Russian pigs is true.
It's impossible to know whether it's true or not. We can't go back in time and keep the Jews from voluntarily coming to Russia in order to observe how non-Jewish Russians would have progressed without them. And perhaps something that is true could still be racist. They'd be less advanced, but how much less, who knows?
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I don't bother for the likes of Boris Yeltsin. But this eternally drunken man damaged the Serbs the most and in the worst possible manner. I am surprised to see that not a single Serb has either even mentioned him so far or cursed him. Not only he colluded with Clinton to invade the Belgrade in most cruel manner but he alone had the golden opportunity to finish the communism from the Russia and the whole world and he failed miserably. His collusion with the socialist Clinton could not allow him to go strongly against the Russian communists and so we now see the resurgent communism leading not only in Russia and China but also in whole Europe and America for the next three and half years.
So I think that the Serb friends before condemning anyone else, shall condemn the drunken Boris Yeltsin first and then proceed on the subject ever.
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I don't have a time to respond to everyone now but I will try later. Everything on Khazar rule can be found of Wikipedia so please go and read it. But why bother with reading? It is much easier to crucify me here for saying that they ruled of Slavs with iron fist.
Pogroms in Spain, England, Germany and other countries were 10 times more terrible than Russian ones. In fact, in one pogrom 17 attackers were killed by the army and only two Jews died with many losing their property only. I see pattern here and that is one of racism towards Russians and whole Slavic nations including Poles who suffered terrible.
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I don't have a time to respond to everyone now but I will try later. Everything on Khazar rule can be found of Wikipedia so please go and read it. But why bother with reading? It is much easier to crucify me here for saying that they ruled of Slavs with iron fist.
Nobody crucifies you here. Stop spreading antisemitism and defending russo-nazis. Khazars were not real Jews. They're were mongols, and I don't care what did Khazars do to the Russian scum. I don't even care what do muslims do to russian scum nowadays. It cannot be used as an excuse of brutal Russonazism that's still alive. Just watch these two videos that I posted above.
Pogroms in Spain, England, Germany and other countries were 10 times more terrible than Russian ones. In fact, in one pogrom 17 attackers were killed by the army and only two Jews died with many losing their property only. I see pattern here and that is one of racism towards Russians and whole Slavic nations including Poles who suffered terrible.
Nobody here denies that Jews have been persecuted everywhere, especially in Europe. Europe, in general, has always been a very hostile place for the Jews. But not a single non-muslim nation has been so hostile to the Jewish people as was the Russian one. You say only 2 Jews got killed? You've just denied the killings of thousands of Jews during pogroms. A life of one Jew costs more than lives of millions of Russian Nazi subhumans. It applies to every other Jew-hating scum on Earth. Remember it!
And why are you accusing us of being racist towards Slavs in general? What do the posts exposing russian antisemitism have to do with racism? And where exactly did we bash all Slavs in general? Poles? Have you ever met one? They aren't even white, they're mongoloids. Most of them are Nazis, so I have every right to hate them. I don't care how terrible their "sufferings" were. If a pole hates my guts just for being Jewish, then I hate it back.
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Pogroms in Spain, England, Germany and other countries if may be even 100 times more terrible than the Russian ones, but it may have to be admitted that Russia too had its own share. Moreover I have never found any pattern of racism against the slavic nations especially the Poles.
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http://beta.photobucket.com/images/polish+people/
Just look at photos of polish peoples. Many of them look like the disciples of Atilla Hoon and Genghis Khan mongol. The mysterious Khazars could have been also looking like them.
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Your attitude toward Russian people is very racist.
That takes the cake. So you support the racist nazi russians and iranians (who are the real racists), quote their antisemtic lies, and then call us racists? You are a fool and a traitor. You are so busy trying to defend your ego so that you can be "right" that you deny any true logic or reason.
Also I don't think Iran is a nazi nation because of fact that they were neutral and occupied by Russian and British forces in WWII.
You actually don't believe that iran is a nazi nation? Do you live under a rock?
Here's a quote from the Washington Post:
The Iranian government is as anti-Semitic as the Third Reich.
Listen to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and you hear strains of Adolf Hitler. Read, for example, this from Ahmadinejad’s recent address in Tehran to ambassadors of Islamic countries:
“It has now been some 400 years that a horrendous Zionist clan has been ruling the major world affairs. And behind the scenes of the major power circles, in political, media, monetary, and banking organizations in the world, they have been the decision-makers, to an extent that a big power with a huge economy and over 300 million population, the presidential election hopefuls must go kiss the feet of the Zionists to ensure their victory in the elections.”
And this: “The Zionist regime is both the symbol of the hegemony of the Zionism over the world and the means in the hand of the oppressor powers for expansion of their hegemony in the region and in the world.”
Ahmadinejad’s call for the annihilation of Israel echoes the Fuehrer’s call for Jewish extermination: “Any freedom lover and justice-seeker in the world must do its best for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the path for the establishment of justice and freedom in the world.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/colbert-king-irans-anti-semitism-makes-it-the-greatest-threat-to-jews/2012/08/03/75126d28-dcfa-11e1-af1d-753c613ff6d8_story.html)
There is plenty more here (https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=iran+anti+semitic).
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It's impossible to know whether it's true or not. We can't go back in time and keep the Jews from voluntarily coming to Russia in order to observe how non-Jewish Russians would have progressed without them. And perhaps something that is true could still be racist. They'd be less advanced, but how much less, who knows?
After 70 CE, Jews were scatter throughout the world, as Gd promised would take place. And Gd also promised the Jews would return (against all natural odds) as described in teh Bible and what actually did take place.
So Jews ended up in Russia as they ended up every where else in the world. However, they never ruled over anyone nor persecuted anyone.. It was the exact opposite.
And there would be times where Jews were not persecuted until they were persecuted again...so Serbian Army has nothing but a distortion in his mind of the true history.
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Iran's everyday chant: "Maghdad Amreeka; Maghdad Yisrael"....
Translation: Death to American; Death to Israel... (not death to Iraqis, death to Russians, death to Serbs...They just pick on "little satan")
If that's not Nazi-like, I don't know what is to you, Serbian Army.
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Iran is highly anti-semitic. That is why it has almost stopped fighting against the sunni's and their states.
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Moreover I have never found any pattern of racism against the slavic nations especially the Poles.
I don't even care what do muslims do to russian scum nowadays.
A life of one Jew costs more than lives of millions of Russian Nazi subhumans.
Poles? Have you ever met one? They aren't even white, they're mongoloids.
There is your answer. Just one post above yours :o
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Here's a quote from the Washington Post:
The Iranian government is as anti-Semitic as the Third Reich.
Listen to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and you hear strains of Adolf Hitler. Read, for example, this from Ahmadinejad’s recent address in Tehran to ambassadors of Islamic countries:
“It has now been some 400 years that a horrendous Zionist clan has been ruling the major world affairs. And behind the scenes of the major power circles, in political, media, monetary, and banking organizations in the world, they have been the decision-makers, to an extent that a big power with a huge economy and over 300 million population, the presidential election hopefuls must go kiss the feet of the Zionists to ensure their victory in the elections.”
And this: “The Zionist regime is both the symbol of the hegemony of the Zionism over the world and the means in the hand of the oppressor powers for expansion of their hegemony in the region and in the world.”
Ahmadinejad’s call for the annihilation of Israel echoes the Fuehrer’s call for Jewish extermination: “Any freedom lover and justice-seeker in the world must do its best for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the path for the establishment of justice and freedom in the world.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/colbert-king-irans-anti-semitism-makes-it-the-greatest-threat-to-jews/2012/08/03/75126d28-dcfa-11e1-af1d-753c613ff6d8_story.html)
There is plenty more here (https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=iran+anti+semitic).
1. Iran has Jewish representatives in Parliament
2. Iran has private Jewish school and hospitals
3. Iran has the largest Jewish population among muslim nations
If he calls for annihilation of the GOVERNMENT, isn't that similar to Chaims constant bashing of Israeli government?
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Iran's everyday chant: "Maghdad Amreeka; Maghdad Yisrael"....
Translation: Death to American; Death to Israel... (not death to Iraqis, death to Russians, death to Serbs...They just pick on "little satan")
If that's not Nazi-like, I don't know what is to you, Serbian Army.
I would chant the very same thing if the worst sanctions in human history are imposed upon my people. It is also freedom of speech. They are free nation and are allowed to chant whatever they wish. I do not care much about them but Persians are sure powerful nation for last several thousands of years.
(http://Cyrus invaded Babylon and freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity.)
Lets thank him by starving his nation to death!!!
Cyrus ordered rebuilding the Second Temple in the same place as the first; however, he died before it was completed. Darius the Great came to power in the Persian empire and ordered the completion of the temple. According to the Bible, the prophets Haggai and Zechariah urged this work. The temple was ready for consecration in the spring of 515 BCE, more than twenty years after the Jews' return to Jerusalem.
Cyrus invaded Babylon and freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity.
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1. Iran has Jewish representatives in Parliament
2. Iran has private Jewish school and hospitals
3. Iran has the largest Jewish population among muslim nations
If he calls for annihilation of the GOVERNMENT, isn't that similar to Chaims constant bashing of Israeli government?
lol, you're kidding right? Either you have very limited intelligence, or you are insulting all of ours.
He calls for DEATH TO ISRAEL which means all of its citizens, and the entire concept of Israel. He believes it should be "palestine." For the Arabs, not the Jews. (Similar to his russian colleagues who first helped create arafat and the PLO, and now support Iran's nuclear bomb making program).
A nuke would not be an attack on the Israeli govt.
The missiles and money and weapons IRAN supplies to Hamas and to Syria and especially to Hezbollah in Lebanon, so that these groups can attack Israeli citizens, is not directed at the Israeli govt but the Israeli people.
He promotes Holocaust denial and he promotes the false idea that Israel exists because of the Holocaust (and is therefore an undue "punishment" to Fakestinian Arabs). He promotes these sick ideas all over the world.
People who believe that Jews have oppressed Russians historically are indeed stupid enough to believe his lies.
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However, we are also very upset about Russian anti-Semitism.
I am too. But I am also upset by calling entire Russian nation a nazi nation knowing that their fight is only reason crazy hitler did not kill all the Jews.
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Listen, if he is clone of hitler he would start killing thousands of Jews living in Iran first. So it is obvious to me he meant the GOVERNMENT
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I would chant the very same thing if the worst sanctions in human history are imposed upon my people. It is also freedom of speech. They are free nation and are allowed to chant whatever they wish.
The sanctions are due in part to this chanting and the clearly stated goals of the Iranian regime to destroy Israel and make it into an Arab state. They make it clear they believe Jews should go to Europe and NOT live in Israel.
How would you feel if an enemy nation was saying this about Serbs? That serbs should go live in Russia but get the he// out of Serbia and former Yugoslavia? And if at the same time such a person was arming Albanian Muslims who on a regular basis were using those arms to attack Serbian citizens with missiles and other terror attacks. You would feel that's a pro Serbian person? Don't insult our intelligence!
Sure, freedom of speech means people can chant whatever they want. That doesn't make ALL CHANTS MORALLY ACCEPTABLE. A chant that Jews should die is a nazi chant. Whether it's allowed to be chanted or not, is irrelevant and only something you injected into this conversation to take attention away from your Jew-bashing and nazi apologetics.
I do not care much about them but Persians are sure powerful nation for last several thousands of years.
So might makes right? Since they were powerful in history that means it's ok that they are nazis and preach Jew hatred and Israel-hatred?
By that logic, Germans were powerful people in history so therefore the 3rd Reich was allowed to preach its hate and carry out murder.
(http://Cyrus invaded Babylon and freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity.)
Lets thank him by starving his nation to death!!!
I don't know if you noticed but Cyrus was not a Muslim, and Cyrus doesn't lead Persia anymore. He died a long time ago.
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I've heard that Hitler originally wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar, the land of Israel, and any other places that would take them.
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As I said, Iranians should apologize for what was said about Holocaust. But on the other hand, not everyone thinks like I do and people have right to believe in any theory they want, including Iranians.
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Listen, if he is clone of hitler he would start killing thousands of Jews living in Iran first. So it is obvious to me he meant the GOVERNMENT
You are off your rocker. He is saying death to Israel. That is equivalent to someone saying Death to Serbia.
He doesn't want to kill the dhimmis living in his country because they are powerless and completely outnumbered (and living in fear, btw).
BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT HEZBOLLAH, WHICH IS AN AGENT OF THE IRANIAN GOVT, HAS STATED PUBLICLY IT IS THEIR GOAL TO CHASE DOWN JEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND MURDER THEM IN EVERY COUNTRY THROUGHOUT THE GLOBE? DID YOU KNOW THAT? They readily admit this publicly. It is not just about Israel. But Israel is the center of Jewish national life and therefore it is the lifeblood and power of the Jewish people, so that is target number 1. You fool. You know how many Jews I know who fled the Ayatollah!?
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I've heard that Hitler originally wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar, Israel, and any other places that would take them.
I do not believe such thing. He had open plan to destroy innocent people and there is no question about.
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I've heard that Hitler originally wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar, the land of Israel, and any other places that would take them.
That is true. Hatred doesn't necessarily mean, "murder all instantly." He explored other options first but the goal was for them to be dead, eventually at least.
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As I said, Iranians should apologize for what was said about Holocaust. But on the other hand, not everyone thinks like I do and people have right to believe in any theory they want, including Iranians.
Oh, so he should apologize for what he said about the holocaust, but not about arming Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah to murder Israeli citizens?!
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You are off your rocker. He is saying death to Israel. That is equivalent to someone saying Death to Serbia.
He doesn't want to kill the dhimmis living in his country because they are powerless and completely outnumbered (and living in fear, btw).
BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT HEZBOLLAH, WHICH IS AN AGENT OF THE IRANIAN GOVT, HAS STATED PUBLICLY IT IS THEIR GOAL TO CHASE DOWN JEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND MURDER THEM IN EVERY COUNTRY THROUGHOUT THE GLOBE? DID YOU KNOW THAT? They readily admit this publicly. It is not just about Israel. But Israel is the center of Jewish national life and therefore it is the lifeblood and power of the Jewish people, so that is target number 1. You fool. You know how many Jews I know who fled the Ayatollah!?
As I stated I support Jews in this conflict but I can't accept some things said about Iranians that is it.
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I do not believe such thing. He had open plan to destroy innocent people and there is no question about.
You are ignorant of history! He tried to expel Jews first. Other countries refused to take them. That contributed to the development of the "Final Solution."
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As I stated I support Jews in this conflict but I can't accept some things said about Iranians that is it.
You are a lying fraud.
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You are ignorant of history! He tried to expel Jews first. Other countries refused to take them. That contributed to the development of the "Final Solution."
I believe he wanted to kill Jews in first place and offering for peaceful exit are not know to me. People live and learn, if it is the truth I was unaware of that.
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Oh, so he should apologize for what he said about the holocaust, but not about arming Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah to murder Israeli citizens?!
You have a good point here.
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Serbian Army, I noticed that most of my points you refuse to address directly. That is probably because you are in denial and convinced of what you believe regardless of the facts. That is pathetic.
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I guess craziness goes both ways:
Only ‘the nuclear option’ can work against Iran, former IDF chief saysBut, Dan Halutz tells the Sunday Times, ‘I hope Bibi is not mad enough to think about it’
Israeli leaders have concluded that conventional air strikes would be insufficient in curbing Iran’s nuclear program, leaving only a deployment of either tactical nuclear weapons or ground forces, according to a report in the British Sunday Times.
Western “defense experts” quoted by the report pointed at the Iranian Fordo facility, which is located deep underground near the city of Qom, as a site that was immune to conventional air strikes.
“The only way to finish off Iran’s nuclear program is by using the nuclear option,” said IDF Chief of General Staff Dan Halutz, the only named source quoted by the report. “But I hope Bibi [Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] is not mad enough to think about it.”
According to foreign reports, Israel is in possession of a significant arsenal of nuclear weapons, including tactical weapons such as neutron bombs, along with long-range Jericho missiles to deliver them.
Israel also possesses GBU-28 bunker-buster bombs that could be deployed by the Israel Air Force’s F-16 bombers. However, according to assessments, these bombs would not prove sufficient to penetrate the Fordo facility.
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I don't bother for the likes of Boris Yeltsin. But this eternally drunken man damaged the Serbs the most and in the worst possible manner. I am surprised to see that not a single Serb has either even mentioned him so far or cursed him. Not only he colluded with Clinton to invade the Belgrade in most cruel manner but he alone had the golden opportunity to finish the communism from the Russia and the whole world and he failed miserably. His collusion with the socialist Clinton could not allow him to go strongly against the Russian communists and so we now see the resurgent communism leading not only in Russia and China but also in whole Europe and America for the next three and half years.
So I think that the Serb friends before condemning anyone else, shall condemn the drunken Boris Yeltsin first and then proceed on the subject ever.
Great post. I agree with you completely. Don't worry we are very aware of those facts.
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Serbian Army, I noticed that most of my points you refuse to address directly. That is probably because you are in denial and convinced of what you believe regardless of the facts. That is pathetic.
Sorry but I can't spend all my time addressing every single point you made. I spent entire Monday on history of Pogroms and polished my knowledge about Khazars. They were not small kingdom but major power.
Please do not insult me because I will insult you back....I will not keep silent if face of your racism towards Russians, Poles and Iranians as well.
Here only Indian people were not called subhuman For some time it was blacks, Chinese, Arabs, now Slavic nations, African nations and everyone else.
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Sorry but I can't spend all my time addressing every single point you made. I spent entire Monday on history of Pogroms and polished my knowledge about Khazars. They were not small kingdom but major power.
Please do not insult me because I will insult you back....I will not keep silent if face of your racism towards Russians, Poles and Iranians as well.
Here only Indian people were not called subhuman For some time it was blacks, Chinese, Arabs, now Slavic nations, African nations and everyone else.
Another case of the pot calling the kettle black... All those nations he supports have been terrible to the Jewish people, including Russia, Poland, and Iran... Some friend... Anyone who thinks that Russia was the friend of the Jews has a screw loose.. Iran has made numerous homicidal threats against Israel and the Jewish people, calling us a cancer and promising to wipe us off the face of the planet.... And he thinks Iran is a cool nation... Serbian army, what are you doing at JTF? You support all our enemies...
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Wow Serbian army, you play us like we are idiots. Your logic and perception of history is so backward that the only answer plausible to your claims have to be written upside down and right to left to make sense to you.
I see you as my enemy and an enemy of the Jewish people and Serbian people.
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Not one jtf-er reacted on racist posts here but instead blamed me for finding such crazy posts insulting. Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, Iraninas were called the subhumans and the worst imaginable words were used. As one sane person I must reacted to such things.
Hate will lead some of people here to become little hitlers. Nations have right to exist even if they do not like the Jews. Not everyone likes me and it is their choice. Feeling I have here is when you tell your friend something openly about what bothers you or to protect him to harm to himself, than he things you hate him and are envious of him. God has created all people equal. Arabs have purpose in this world. Iranians too have purposes and Jews have purpose. No one is superior. Only some nations stole wealth from other nations like English did from Indians.
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Not one jtf-er reacted on racist posts here but instead blamed me for finding such crazy posts insulting. Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, Iraninas were called the subhumans and the worst imaginable words were used. As one sane person I must reacted to such things.
Hate will lead some of people here to become little hitlers. Nations have right to exist even if they do not like the Jews. Not everyone likes me and it is their choice. Feeling I have here is when you tell your friend something openly about what bothers you or to protect him to harm to himself, than he things you hate him and are envious of him. God has created all people equal. Arabs have purpose in this world. Iranians too have purposes and Jews have purpose. No one is superior. Only some nations stole wealth from other nations like English did from Indians.
G-d created all people with the potential to be equal, he did not create us all equal. This is most evident by the fact that some are smarter, some are less intelligent, some are very talented with using their hands while others are clumsy and more mathematically inclined. Some people are women and are capable of having children, some people are men who have more physical strength than women. We are not all Equal in the sense you suggest.
All mankind has a reason to exist, I am pretty sure nobody here is arguing against that. But what people have chosen to do with their individual talents and feelings makes them either good or evil. And there are good nations and there are evil nations. Not all nations are equal, as Hitlers Germany and Achmadinajads Iran clearly demonstrate. Not all nations deserve to be treated equally either, especially those who scapegoated the Jewish people and other minorities which were unable to protect themselves. The Jewish people, especially to JTFers {Hence the J for Jewish task Force}, have been especially mistreated by several nations in Europe and Russia for both religious and non-religious excuses.
The Jewish people are a good people who were dispossessed of our land about 2000 years ago. During our exile we have integrated with just about every nation on the planet. No other people have put up with as much hatred as our people, it has not stopped for almost 3000 years, and we don't expect it to stop until the coming of the Moshiach.
But there is no excuse to cut the oppressors slack as you do. I do not know you personally Serbian Army but my opinion of you has declined recently as a result of your support of our sworn enemies, those who have sworn to eliminate the Jewish people from this world. I do hope you come around eventually, before it is too late..
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Sorry but I can't spend all my time addressing every single point you made. I spent entire Monday on history of Pogroms and polished my knowledge about Khazars. They were not small kingdom but major power.
Please do not insult me because I will insult you back....I will not keep silent if face of your racism towards Russians, Poles and Iranians as well.
Here only Indian people were not called subhuman For some time it was blacks, Chinese, Arabs, now Slavic nations, African nations and everyone else.
This is called a deflection. You called me racist because you cannot address my points. I said nothing racist here. And you know that. You are a dishonest Jew hater
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I just realized who Ephraim is!!!!! Ephraim is a guy who used to come on this forum and say irreverent things under another name that is escaping me!!! I think it was five letters long, his previous name. Did it begin with an M? Then he got pissed off because he felt ganged up on one time too many and left. Mango? Monzo? Can't remember
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I don't have a time to respond to everyone now but I will try later. Everything on Khazar rule can be found of Wikipedia so please go and read it. But why bother with reading? It is much easier to crucify me here for saying that they ruled of Slavs with iron fist.
Pogroms in Spain, England, Germany and other countries were 10 times more terrible than Russian ones. In fact, in one pogrom 17 attackers were killed by the army and only two Jews died with many losing their property only. I see pattern here and that is one of racism towards Russians and whole Slavic nations including Poles who suffered terrible.
Serbian Army,
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here because I think you are not understanding this from the Jewish perspective which is your right to disagree. But this is our perspective, or at least my perspective, the Russians, average Russians, with some exceptions, supported, benefited from, and took part in a more than one thousand year history of Jew hunting, killing, raping, and savage brutality against the Jewish people. The Poles were, for many centuries, as bad and worse than the Russians. In the modern era, Islamic anti-semitism is the major enemy of the Jewish people, but in times, not so long in the distant past, Christian anti-Semitism was the culprit and it was driven full steam ahead by Russian Clergy who preached Jew hatred and killing to the Cossacks, villagers, and nobility alike. Russians entered WWII to save themselves, not for the Jews, but to stave off Hitler.
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I just realized who Ephraim is!!!!! Ephraim is a guy who used to come on this forum and say irreverent things under another name that is escaping me!!! I think it was five letters long, his previous name. Did it begin with an M? Then he got pissed off because he felt ganged up on one time too many and left. Mango? Monzo? Can't remember
WHAT? ME? Have someone check my IP, have Muman Google my phone number, and have them compare!
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WHAT? ME? Have someone check my IP, have Muman Google my phone number, and have them compare!
It just occurred to me who you are and I'm so glad you are back!!
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I just realized who Ephraim is!!!!! Ephraim is a guy who used to come on this forum and say irreverent things under another name that is escaping me!!! I think it was five letters long, his previous name. Did it begin with an M? Then he got pissed off because he felt ganged up on one time too many and left. Mango? Monzo? Can't remember
JTFE,
I don't think so. I have spoken with Ephraim and been in contact with him virtually since he joined. I don't think he is an old troll from JTF...
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It just occurred to me who you are and I'm so glad you are back!!
Sorry to ruined your day, but I have never been on this forum before or any other forum. I signed up for the JTF before I really even knew what it was! I didn't even know who Rabbi Kahane was.
P.s. I know I do say some irrelevant things sometimes, but I just say what pops into my head sometimes. Btw are you... we was loving each other? PM me your answer if you want.
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AAHAHAHAHA
Ha ha.
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Sorry but I can't spend all my time addressing every single point you made. I spent entire Monday on history of Pogroms and polished my knowledge about Khazars. They were not small kingdom but major power.
Please do not insult me because I will insult you back....I will not keep silent if face of your racism towards Russians, Poles and Iranians as well.
Here only Indian people were not called subhuman For some time it was blacks, Chinese, Arabs, now Slavic nations, African nations and everyone else.
You did not merely defend Iranians or Russians from what you call "racist" attacks. You claimed many additional things here which were patently false, and I pointed out facts which indicate the error of your claims. You refuse to address those very obvious errors, including your promotion of the nazi Achmedinejad as a good person. You are a sick, sick individual.
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree JTFE. You owe Ephraim an apology.
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Ephraim is right, you have too many JTF accounts. You're confusing people here....::)
Actually I think your confusing yourself...Members are allowed to change their screen names if they wish it does not mean they have multiple accounts... Members should only have one JTF account.
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i doubt if Russia can ever be a true friend with Israel.
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Ephraim is the original troll, like the first vampire in those movies except with "troll bite", or like the borg of trolls but like the grandfather of the borg that had to use huge tacky troll enhancements that ran with BETA. JTF enthusiast is right to protect the forum from this man. I can already just tell he has below average smelling breath a relevant percentage of the time.
Troll trolled. Ourah troll (troll military cheer).
Your lucky you're even still on the forum!
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree JTFE. You owe Ephraim an apology.
It's okay, I can understand why someone might think I'm a troll.
P.s. Muman, will you google my phone number a business should come up, please don't name it, just tell everybody that I'm not lying
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Not you again, cjd you spoiled brat
Yes me again :::D I have been called a lot of things but never a spoiled brat ;D
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Actually I think your confusing yourself...Members are allowed to change their screen names if they wish it does not mean they have multiple accounts... Members should only have one JTF account.
Lady 10 has never changed her username.
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You need to get back on your medications LKZ.
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ROTFL. Who gave you power over this place troll king?
That's actually pretty funny LSD! :::D
Well, since I'm the king troll, then I get to tell all the little baby trolls what do. It's time for your nappy nap!
0h yeah, there will be a new set of troll bylaws.
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1. Iran has Jewish representatives in Parliament
2. Iran has private Jewish school and hospitals
3. Iran has the largest Jewish population among muslim nations
If he calls for annihilation of the GOVERNMENT, isn't that similar to Chaims constant bashing of Israeli government?
Iran does NOT "call for annihilation of the GOVERNMENT", he calls for the destruction of Israel. Russia supports Iran so that means YOU support the destruction of Israel by supporting both those Nazi nations.
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CJD is a well liked and respected global moderator here. You, Lady 10 should not be picking a fight with him.
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But there is no excuse to cut the oppressors slack as you do. I do not know you personally Serbian Army but my opinion of you has declined recently as a result of your support of our sworn enemies, those who have sworn to eliminate the Jewish people from this world. I do hope you come around eventually, before it is too late..
I am not cutting anything. Suffering is well documented and I suggest that some members put some effort to study pogroms.
With rest of your post I agree.
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This is called a deflection. You called me racist because you cannot address my points. I said nothing racist here. And you know that. You are a dishonest Jew hater
You expressed more than enough racism here. As I said before, I can't quote each post you make. Please go back and read your posts and think about your comments and how you are overreacting.
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Serbian Army,
and took part in a more than one thousand year history of Jew hunting, killing, raping, and savage brutality against the Jewish people. The Poles were, for many centuries, as bad and worse than the Russians.
I suggest that you read more about history of your people because this post uncovers that you lack basic knowledge about the Jewish people in Russia and Poland.
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You did not merely defend Iranians or Russians from what you call "racist" attacks. You claimed many additional things here which were patently false, and I pointed out facts which indicate the error of your claims. You refuse to address those very obvious errors, including your promotion of the nazi Achmedinejad as a good person. You are a sick, sick individual.
You are a sick lying individual. Where did I say he is a good person? Name any politician who is a good person?
All I am saying is that cheap media tricks to demonize him and his nation are not working on me. I know enough about history of Iran and its people no to believe total nonsense written in the western media.
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cjd, what is going on with the stuff you display at the bottom of your each post? I am not talking about the quality of it but the quantity, it is like a MILE long and I'm sure JTFers need a whole minute to look for the next post that's underneath yours. What en ego, ha ha ha ha
See how other JTFers have shorter signatures but also cool, efective and the message gets spread anyways. ;D
Speaking of which, did you gize know that there is an setting to hide signatures? Neato! Not that I would do that. I love to see what our great JTFers put in their signatures.
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Iran does NOT "call for annihilation of the GOVERNMENT", he calls for the destruction of Israel. Russia supports Iran so that means YOU support the destruction of Israel by supporting both those Nazi nations.
As I said before, he is man in his country free to say whatever he wants. They are far more terrible things said about America by the Americans but I guess free speech does not apply to Iranians? What I am more interested in are his actions. I gave you 3 examples above
that lead me to believe destruction of all Jewish people is not his main agenda. As any politician he is using current anti-Jewish feelings to gain supporters and votes!!
I am surprised you did not find anything wrong with what IDF general had to say about nuclear bombs? Isn't that same hate speech aimed at Iranians? What is the difference?
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Ok but Serbian army was posting that 9/11 was an inside job before i straightened him out. Bring it to a vote: gullible or troll?
I still believe some things are hard to explain. As long as I have such questions without an answer I will not believe in official story.
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You are a sick lying individual. Where did I say he is a good person. Name any politician who is a good person?
All I am saying is that cheap media tricks to demonize him and his nation are not working on me. I know enough about history of Iran and its people no to believe total nonsense written in the western media.
Yes Iran doesn't want to murder all Jews and use Nukes to accomplish their goals. We're all just imagining their taunts and support for Hamas and Hezbollah. How silly of us.
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Yes Iran doesn't want to murder all Jews and use Nukes to accomplish their goals. We're all just imagining their taunts and support for Hamas and Hezbollah. How silly of us.
I am not saying there is no danger whatsoever.
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Yes Iran doesn't want to murder all Jews and use Nukes to accomplish their goals. We're all just imagining their taunts and support for Hamas and Hezbollah. How silly of us.
I asked you about threats to his nation to bomb them to ashes and if that is successful to nuke them. What is the difference between his speech and what Israel's officials are saying they intend to do?
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As I said before, he is man in his country free to say whatever he wants. They are far more terrible things said about America by the Americans but I guess free speech does not apply to Iranians? What I am more interested in are his actions. I gave you 3 examples above
that lead me to believe destruction of all Jewish people is not his main agenda. As any politician he is using current anti-Jewish feelings to gain supporters and votes!!
I am surprised you did not find anything wrong with what IDF general had to say about nuclear bombs? Isn't that same hate speech aimed at Iranians? What is the difference?
He is supporting Hamas and Hezbollah who attack Israel daily. Is Israel supporting terrorists and firing missiles at Iran? NO!
Is Israel OPENLY calling to destroy all Muslims. NO!
Israel may use Nuclear bombs as last resort to DEFEND themselves. Iran is building Nuclear Bombs to destroy Israel because they do NOT want a Jewish People to exist!
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"gize", what is that
No, I didn't have a clue that signatures can be hidden. Sorry, different mentality, different jokes, different interpretations.
Or is it supposed to be spelled "ghize"?
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Hello friends! :israel: :usa: :serbia: :-* :love: :love: :love: :love: :camel: :nuke:
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As I said before, he is man in his country free to say whatever he wants. They are far more terrible things said about America by the Americans but I guess free speech does not apply to Iranians? What I am more interested in are his actions. I gave you 3 examples above
that lead me to believe destruction of all Jewish people is not his main agenda. As any politician he is using current anti-Jewish feelings to gain supporters and votes!!
I am surprised you did not find anything wrong with what IDF general had to say about nuclear bombs? Isn't that same hate speech aimed at Iranians? What is the difference?
Israelis NEVER EVER have said that they desire to wipe Iran off the map. We would be happy if he puts his energy in making Iran a more democratic state. You realize that Iran brutally suppressed all speech against the current MULLAH regime in the last so-called election?
You are foolish to believe that the Iranians have anything but hatred for the Jewish state. It stems from their TWISTED understanding of Islam (all Islam is bad, but the Iranian 12th Imam belief is especially dangerous).
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/12thimam_baptistpress060817.aspx
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Hello friends! :israel: :usa: :serbia: :-* :love: :love: :love: :love: :camel: :nuke:
That's going to be my new signature!
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I asked you about threats to his nation to bomb them to ashes and if that is successful to nuke them. What is the difference between his speech and what Israel's officials are saying they intend to do?
The difference should be clear. The IDF General is acting like any sane person would. His people The Jews are in danger of being wiped out. Iran is the one who is causing these threats. If Iran weren't provoking Israel while at the same time building Nuclear bombs and promising to use them against The Jewish People do you think Israel would then be making threats?
Are you seriously saying lets ignore Iran and the problem will just go away?
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Oh, that's the word you meant, gize, ghize, whatever, I get it now.
Well I started to spell it "gaiz" but I didn't want people to think I was talking about gays.
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Israelis NEVER EVER have said that they desire to wipe Iran off the map. We would be happy if he puts his energy in making Iran a more democratic state. You realize that Iran brutally suppressed all speech against the current MULLAH regime in the last so-called election?
You are foolish to believe that the Iranians have anything but hatred for the Jewish state. It stems from their TWISTED understanding of Islam (all Islam is bad, but the Iranian 12th Imam belief is especially dangerous).
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/12thimam_baptistpress060817.aspx
Open previous page and see article about throwing nuclear bombs on Iran. Every day for past two years I read how Israel will bomb their country. Every single day. If that is not provoking war with major superpower I don't know what is it.
And another thing, they can wipe out Israel today if they want to do so. They have millions of long range missiles and they is no way anyone can block them.
Take this any way you want, but if I am your friend I will not suggest you to go and punch Mike Tyson on the street. American can't take another major war financially and Israel can't win war against them. Aside their fanatic madness, they are also well trained in sciences and have huge population to take losses on. Please do not misunderstand me as I support well being of Israel. But Serbia and Israel must stay out of conflict and limit it to small regional wars if situation call for it. When big boys play we should sit back at least for while.
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Open previous page and see article about throwing nuclear bombs on Iran. Every day for past two years I read how Israel will bomb their country. Every single day. If that is not provoking war with major superpower I don't know what is it.
And another thing, they can wipe out Israel today if they want to do so. They have millions of long range missiles and they is no way anyone can block them.
Take this any way you want, but if I am your friend I will not suggest you to go and punch Mike Tyson on the street. American can't take another major war financially and Israel can't win war against them. Aside their fanatic madness, they are also well trained in sciences and have huge population to take losses on. Please do not misunderstand me as I support well being of Israel. But Serbia and Israel must stay out of conflict and limit it to small regional wars if situation call for it. When big boys play we should sit back at least for while.
Iran has been developing nuclear capability for FIVE YEARS.... It makes absolute sense that Israel was talking about taking out their nuclear enrichment program. Iran has threatened both America and Israel. Remember in 1979 Iran took Americans hostage. Iran has been hostile to the west, and specifically to Israel and America. Iran deserves to have the crepe blown out of them. If the people (whom the government is supposed to represent) have elected these leaders who threaten our lives, they deserve to be destroyed.
Israel has never threatened Iran. Israel even had a good relation with the Sha's Iran... And even if the nuclear option of protecting Israel is the last option I fully support nuking Iran.
The Shah of Iran was the first regional leader to recognize the State of Israel as a de facto state, although when interviewed on CBS 60 Minutes by reporter Mike Wallace, he criticized American Jews for their presumed control over US media and finance.[28]
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You expressed more than enough racism here. As I said before, I can't quote each post you make. Please go back and read your posts and think about your comments and how you are overreacting.
I am not a racist and I did not say anything racist in this thread you lying, Jew-hating scum!
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I am not a racist and I did not say anything racist in this thread you lying, Jew-hating scum!
I think he means in the past.
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http://www.ifapray.org/archive/NaziIslamicFacism/NaziIslamicFascism.html
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I don't know whether serbian_army is a genuine, hardcore Nazi or just very stupid and confused, but KWRBT is definitely not a racist.
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I don't know whether serbian_army is a genuine, hardcore Nazi or just very stupid and confused, but KWRBT is definitely not a racist.
I'm very saddened by Serbain armys statements, I really liked him, I just don't understand his stance. Russia and Iran are the opposite of what America stands for!
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I'm very saddened by Serbain armys statements, I really liked him, I just don't understand his stance. Russia and Iran are the opposite of what America stands for!
I think the Serbs were wronged when they were attacked by Bill Clinton but at the same time I just do not understand the mindset that most of the Serbs on the forum seem to have, which is so often so contrary to my own beliefs. I've seen some of our Serb JTFers praise Gaddafi, Putin, etc. as if these were somehow righteous people to admire rather than evil people to despise. They often seem to hate the USA in general rather than just certain actions that were taken by the USA leadership. I started out on the forum being prone to seeing them in a positive light but over time I've just gotten more and more frustrated with the strange statements I see them making. I don't read their section very often at all because it just makes me feel resentment toward them when I don't really want to. I didn't pre-judge them but various posts I've seen have really unfortunately turned me off very much.
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I think the Serbs were wronged when they were attacked by Bill Clinton but at the same time I just do not understand the mindset that most of the Serbs on the forum seem to have, which is so often so contrary to my own beliefs. I've seen some of our Serb JTFers praise Gaddafi, Putin, etc. as if these were somehow righteous people to admire rather than evil people to despise. They often seem to hate the USA in general rather than just certain actions that were taken by the USA leadership. I started out on the forum being prone to seeing them in a positive light but over time I've just gotten more and more frustrated with the strange statements I see them making. I don't read their section very often at all because it just makes me feel resentment toward them when I don't really want to. I didn't pre-judge them but various posts I've seen have really unfortunately turned me off very much.
Thank you, Ruby.
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Yes... thank you, Ruby. You're so right. So many things that were said about Jews' safety in Russia is beyond the pale (no pun intended).
(The Pale of Settlement was the term given to a region of Imperial Russia in which permanent residency by Jews was allowed and beyond which Jewish permanent residency was generally prohibited. Jews were also excluded from residency at a number of cities within the Pale. A limited number of categories of Jews were allowed to live outside the pale.)
My own forebears fled Russia for America. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!
In this thread, history was trying to be re-written. But we know better.
NEVER AGAIN!
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I suggest that you read more about history of your people because this post uncovers that you lack basic knowledge about the Jewish people in Russia and Poland.
Death camps in Poland, 3 million murdered in Poland. YOU ARE A DIMWIT SERBIAN ARMY. U are a stain of Serbs and hurt their honorable reputation with your stupidity and anti semetism
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I think the Serbs were wronged when they were attacked by Bill Clinton but at the same time I just do not understand the mindset that most of the Serbs on the forum seem to have, which is so often so contrary to my own beliefs. I've seen some of our Serb JTFers praise Gaddafi, Putin, etc. as if these were somehow righteous people to admire rather than evil people to despise. They often seem to hate the USA in general rather than just certain actions that were taken by the USA leadership. I started out on the forum being prone to seeing them in a positive light but over time I've just gotten more and more frustrated with the strange statements I see them making. I don't read their section very often at all because it just makes me feel resentment toward them when I don't really want to. I didn't pre-judge them but various posts I've seen have really unfortunately turned me off very much.
Interesting analysis Rubystars. Some encapsulated responses.
1: In all fairness to the Serbs, it's not like just one or two administrations have been anti-Serb. Essentially every single politician from both parties, in all administrations, have been.
2: I think that the reason why they praise evil leaders sometimes is that they are desperately reaching out to anyone who has put on the pretense of supporting them at any time, even when it is for patently phony and self-serving purposes. In this regard, it reminds me of Jews that fall behind anyone that pretends to be pro-Israel because the world hates them. I think Serbs should be relying on G-d rather than earthly so-called "allies" just like Israel should.
3: Like Chaim says, I am not bothered with Russians and Serbs being allies, but the blunt truth is that Russia has betrayed the Serbs many times (as Chaim has also pointed out), and Serbs that refuse to see that are as blind as self-hating Jews.
4: Yes, serbian_army made many bizarre, insane, and hurtful anti-Semitic/conspiratorial statements that we and I will never tolerate, but some other Serbs (such as Lady 10 and Serbian Canadian) got attacked too in this thread even though they said nothing wrong.
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I think he means in the past.
WHAT?! This is complete bs.
By defending him, you do realize that you are accusing me of something too, right? I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have something to say, say it. If not, then your comment has no relevance.
And based on what serbian amy said, I'm pretty sure he's talking about this thread. See how he says go back and read the comments ? He is accusing me of making racist comments in this thread. And he laughably claims that because of such comments, he is somehow physically unable to review the facts I outlined here or address any points I made.
I guess it is racist to point out that his loverboy Achmedinejad wants to murder all the Israeli Jews, and his Russian boyfriends are funding the nuclear program which will be used to attempt this murder.
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WHAT?! This is complete bs.
By defending him, you do realize that you are accusing me of something too, right? I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have something to say, say it. If not, then your comment has no relevance.
And based on what serbian amy said, I'm pretty sure he's talking about this thread. See how he says go back and read the comments ? He is accusing me of making racist comments in this thread. And he laughably claims that because of such comments, he is somehow physically unable to review the facts I outlined here or address any points I made.
I guess it is racist to point out that his loverboy Achmedinejad wants to murder all the Israeli Jews, and his Russian boyfriends are funding the nuclear program which will be used to attempt this murder.
I think Ephraim is misunderstanding SA, not deliberately being against you. As for SA, I'm not sure whether he should be banned or simply exiled to the Time-Out Corner for a while. I haven't made my mind up yet whether he's a genuine Nazi or just a very stupid mental case.
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What i don't understand is when the terrorist Gen Wesley Clark attacked the Serbs why did the the Russians not help the Serbians.If the Russians backed down from the little bum Clark and didn't help Serbia it's ally,surely Israel can't depend on the Russians
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Nazi propaganda to be banned in Russia
Russian senators are drafting a bill on prohibiting the glorification of Nazi crimes and the usage of any Nazi or similar symbols and gestures in the country.
Violation of the law will be punishable by a fine from 300,000 rubles (about US$9,500), corrective labor or up to two years in jail.
The will be submitted to the State Duma by the end of the year, writes Izvestia daily.
So far, Russia has had no specific anti-Nazi law.
“This issue has not been given due attention within the past 20 years,” one of the authors of the legislation, Konstantin Dobrynin, told the paper. As a result of that, Nazism has become an everyday thing and many people equate it to patriotism.
On November 4, when Russia celebrated the Unity Day, nationalists staged the so-called Russian March in Moscow. Back then, the senator noted, the police detained 25 people wearing Waffen-SS uniforms and chanting the Nazi slogan “Sieg Heil”.
“The new law will become sort of a vaccination against this trend,” Dobrynin said.
The bill will define what Nazism, Nazi rehabilitation and criminals are. It will also clarify what symbols and gestures are considered Nazi “or similar” and, therefore, cannot be used within the country. Scientific literature and fiction will not be subject to the ban, the senator underlined.
The evaluation of violations will be carried out by two commissions – state and public – which will work independently from each other. The senators also suggest setting up a council that would counter the rehabilitation of Nazi crimes and monitor the situation.
Meanwhile, nationalists oppose the idea. Instead of toughening the law, the government should cancel the Penal Code’s article on Incitement of National, Racial, or Religious Enmity as it is “used solely against Russian patriots disliked by authorities,” insists Dmitry Demushkin, the head of the Russiye (Russians) movement.
According to the nationalist leader, the proposed law will be used as a mechanism to pressurize the society. He also noted that gestures similar to Nazi saluting are used by many pagans, while swastika “is used by everyone.”
“Hitler has been dead for a long time. It’s impossible to review the results of WWII. So what are they fretting about?” Demushkin said.
The lower house of parliament has welcomed the initiative as timely. MP from the State Duma’s Committee on Nationalities Mikhail Markelov believes the lawmakers should go even further and prohibit free distribution of books which glorify Nazism. Only specialists and historians should have access to such literature, he stated.
“Unfortunately, many youngsters use [Nazi] symbols – having no idea what they are – for self-affirmation or to show their national superiority, which is unacceptable for Russia,” Markelov observed.
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All I am saying is that most of you have never seen the war or horrors of it. It is easy to call for attacks from safe place in CA and NY or some other state. While we have 6 million people who might face retaliation by the military superpower with thousands of years of history. Peres is not stupid for visiting Russian trying to get some help while Israel is being SET UP BY AMERICANS for complete destruction. Do you have any brains?
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As I am a fan of JTF for years that had enjoyed reading this forum, and as I have an excellent memory, I can recall that certain people here had some kind of unfriendly and inimical attitude about Serbs in general that in those cases had nothing to do with what some Serb here stated or pointed out. It was an animosity based on "I dislike Serbs just because they're Serbs". It would be silly to spend hours and days trying to find those posts as proof, but they do exist and I personally know some Serbs that had left this forum for certain people here who were unwelcomed towards Serbs and full of prejudices too, while at the same time Chaim was doing pro-Serb videos and this was also supposed to be a pro-Serb forum. The Serbs who were a long time members of this forum and are not anymore surely didn't leave "just because". But here I see double standards. Just because someone is a higly respected member of the forum, it automatically gives that person the right to say all kinds of insane things about Serbs and MOCK us with statements such as "Clinton should have done far more to Serbs and didn't help enough". Of course, these type of comments are tolerated because it is a respected member and a moderator so in that case, it is fine to say those insane things. Rubystars, you personally were trying to be "witty" by saying that "Serbs and Russians are one _________", and without a doubt it is evident what would be the ending of your phrase. But then again, you are a higly respected member that has been here for years too so you have the right to say whatever you want to, and I or any other Serb has no right to oppose to that because you are here for a long time. Double standards once again.
The Serbs who had left this forum (and I am not talking about those who had a few posts) also found these (and other things I will not discuss in public such as comments about our religion) highly noticeable and didn't want any bickering so they simply left in peace after being a members for a long time. So before some members here continue how "Most of the Serbs turn them off with their attitudes", those who read this forum should take into consideration the fact that the Serbs were also turned off with the attitudes from certain JTFers during these years. Yes there are people here who support the Serbs, but why not mention the opposite example when we got attacked or felt insulted.
Dear Lady 10 please feel free to name names when it comes to me because I really stand behind what I say... This is Chaim's forum and when the day comes he tells me to pipe down I will respect his wishes until then I will respond to things as I see fit when I have issue with them... When the Serbs first came to the JTF forum I had little or no opinion on the situation over in your country... The first Serb members we had here seemed to be very nice people... I even met a few at JTF functions... Over time more Serbs joined and the view points became more radical as time went on... Constant attacks against Roman Catholics and the United States.... I understand your country has issues with both however the larger picture has underlying problems that Serbs seem to ignore... I personally could not stand the Clinton's and back then felt it was a mistake for his administration to become involved in the situation over in Serbia... This said after seeing some of the posts in the Serbian section over the years I am not so sure he had much choice in the matter... Chaim gave our Serbian membership a great platform to build a relationship with people that really did not know much about the situation in your country... How can we make things better going forward... What we got is a great deal of pro Russian propaganda, religious conflict, and hate for the United States... For the most part I try to ignore most of what goes on in the Serbian section however when people make crazy statements like Russia is a pro Jewish country it makes our forum look comical... I apologize to our Serbian membership that come here and are respectful of the total membership and present their view points in a reasonable manor however if people come here tossing out insults and untruth they should expect the same in return.
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@KWRBT, I was not trying to insult you at all! and if I have something to say, I usually do.
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As I am a fan of JTF for years that had enjoyed reading this forum, and as I have an excellent memory, I can recall that certain people here had some kind of unfriendly and inimical attitude about Serbs in general that in those cases had nothing to do with what some Serb here stated or pointed out.
Well for me it did. I haven't been actively against you guys because I don't think that you should have been attacked by the USA at all, but a lot of the things I see you guys posting on here just sound crazy to me. I started out being favorable to you. Who wouldn't take your side if all they heard of was news reports which described an injustice being done? There was a Serb member named Dalmacija who made some nasty comments to me and others and there were some other members that just in general made some comments which I couldn't agree with in any way.
The Serb members by and large always seem to be out of synch with the rest of the forum when it comes to certain topics. I get frustrated by this and so most of the time I just ignore it.
However I'm really getting weary of all this pro-Russia stuff.
It was an animosity based on "I dislike Serbs just because they're Serbs".
Serbs are a white ethnicity and so I am not going to be against them for any racial reasons anyway. I just plain don't like some of the things that have been said consistently by several Serb members.
It would be silly to spend hours and days trying to find those posts as proof, but they do exist and I personally know some Serbs that had left this forum for certain people here who were unwelcomed towards Serbs and full of prejudices too, while at the same time Chaim was doing pro-Serb videos and this was also supposed to be a pro-Serb forum. The Serbs who were a long time members of this forum and are not anymore surely didn't leave "just because". But here I see double standards. Just because someone is a higly respected member of the forum, it automatically gives that person the right to say all kinds of insane things about Serbs and MOCK us with statements such as "Clinton should have done far more to Serbs and didn't help enough". Of course, these type of comments are tolerated because it is a respected member and a moderator so in that case, it is fine to say those insane things. Rubystars, you personally were trying to be "witty" by saying that "Serbs and Russians are one _________", and without a doubt it is evident what would be the ending of your phrase.
I didn't even know what would have been the ending of that phrase but I was thinking along the lines of one big mess or one big pain in the rear end because you guys seem to care more about Russia than you do about right and wrong.
But then again, you are a higly respected member that has been here for years too so you have the right to say whatever you want to, and I or any other Serb has no right to oppose to that because you are here for a long time. Double standards once again.
You're answering me aren't you?
The Serbs who had left this forum (and I am not talking about those who had a few posts) also found these (and other things I will not discuss in public such as comments about our religion) highly noticeable and didn't want any bickering so they simply left in peace after being a members for a long time. So before some members here continue how "Most of the Serbs turn them off with their attitudes", those who read this forum should take into consideration the fact that the Serbs were also turned off with the attitudes from certain JTFers during these years. Yes there are people here who support the Serbs, but why not mention the opposite example when we got attacked or felt insulted.
I want the Serbs to denounce evil leaders instead of praising them. Then I'd probably feel a lot different.
I still think it was wrong to launch a military attack against Serbs and I agree with Chaim about that part.
I've mostly stayed out of this topic just for the simple fact I didn't want to cause any trouble about it but I feel that it's really hard to stand by and just see this stuff being posted over and over again.
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Interesting analysis Rubystars. Some encapsulated responses.
1: In all fairness to the Serbs, it's not like just one or two administrations have been anti-Serb. Essentially every single politician from both parties, in all administrations, have been.
I'm thinking of trying to look back over that issue as to why that is.
2: I think that the reason why they praise evil leaders sometimes is that they are desperately reaching out to anyone who has put on the pretense of supporting them at any time, even when it is for patently phony and self-serving purposes. In this regard, it reminds me of Jews that fall behind anyone that pretends to be pro-Israel because the world hates them. I think Serbs should be relying on G-d rather than earthly so-called "allies" just like Israel should.
3: Like Chaim says, I am not bothered with Russians and Serbs being allies, but the blunt truth is that Russia has betrayed the Serbs many times (as Chaim has also pointed out), and Serbs that refuse to see that are as blind as self-hating Jews.
4: Yes, serbian_army made many bizarre, insane, and hurtful anti-Semitic/conspiratorial statements that we and I will never tolerate, but some other Serbs (such as Lady 10 and Serbian Canadian) got attacked too in this thread even though they said nothing wrong.
Interesting points. I don't see how I can really be on great terms with someone who is in love with Russia. I met a Russian immigrant in college who was very thankful to be out of her old country.
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What about all the good long term members that have left the forum because of things that some Serbian members post? So decent that they don't defend themselves, they just fade away. They don't count right? It's only the Serbian view or no view at all?
I have a question...why post in a foreign language, on an English language forum, if you want to be part of the membership? I'm curious.
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Who is allegedly in love with Russia here?
Chaim himself said that Russia should support Serbia more than it does at this moment. We need all the support we can get and yes I do want Russian support to Serbia, so does that mean that I fully support their politicians or their government? Of course not. But it is idiotic to call us "Nazis" or "Jew haters" for having ties with Russians based on our religion and history.
I stuck up for you when you and Serbian Canadian got attacked for no reason at all, but you can't deny that serbian_army said plenty of really sick things.
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Yes, all my posts on this topic are on Serbian, you're right.
Really? JTFers left the forum because of the Serbs? yeah sure. There you go, blame the Serbs for everything, nothing new. Don't make me start with what was one current non-Serb JTFer talking about Christianity in general. Double standards, proven again.
I know there are people here bothered with Serbs and the existence of Save Serbia, what are you going to do about it? Delete it, get all Serbs banned, and everything will be just fine. Anyway, there aren't many Serbs left on the forum.
Who actually said this?
Nobody is going to completely agree with every member here Lady. There are even JTFers that don't care for me. I just ignore them. It doesn't mean that everyone or most people hate you.
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I have always supported the Serbs because their cause is just. The enemies of the Serbs are Nazi mass murderers. The Croat Nazis, the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis all supported Hitler and Nazi Germany during the holocaust - an unforgivable crime.
In recent history, the Serbs have fought heroically against the Muslim Nazi invaders of Europe. The war criminals Bill and Hillary Clinton massacred innocent Serbs in an effort to show the Muslim Nazis throughout the world that America is pro-Muslim. Prior to the Clinton-ordered NATO slaughter of innocent Serbs, Saudi Arabia organized dozens of Muslim Nazi nations to pressure the U.S. and Europe to militarily defend the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis. For the U.S. to side with Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims against Serb Christians is pure insanity.
What is so sad here is that the Serbs often hurt their own cause. Yes, many Serbs left the forum. JTF gave the Serbs an historic opportunity to build non-Serb support among the American people. Unfortunately, some Serbs in effect demanded that we support our Russian enemies. If we are not pro-Russia, we cannot be pro-Serbia according to some. Of course, this is utterly absurd. JTF understands that the Serbs seek Russian support and we want Russia to support Serbia. We want everyone to support Serbia. But on other issues, Russia's position is pure evil and always has been. Russia is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program because Russia wants to destroy Israel. Russia has always been viciously anti-Semitic. But we have Serbs telling us that Russia is pro-Jewish and even defending Nazi Iran. Aside from being immoral and evil, espousing this position on a pro-Israel Jewish forum is just stupid beyond words. And yes, when I repeatedly risked my life to publicly defend the Serbs and then Serbs come on this forum preaching Nazi anti-Semitism about how the Jews controlled Russia for centuries and how the Russians were justified in massacring Jews, that does cause a problem.
If you don't want our support, fine. If you consider us to be your enemies, fine. I tried to show the Serbs how to build support among average Americans in a way that could eventually influence U.S. policy. You don't do that by expressing hatred for the United States. That will turn off all of your potential American supporters. You can condemn the Clinton administration attack on Serbia - and you should. But you should make it clear that you want good relations with the U.S. and the American people. You should explain to Americans why anti-Serb policies are bad for America. And why supporting Serbia would be good for America. To say that, as I have done in my many pro-Serb videos, is the smart thing to do. Don't compromise, continue to seek Russian support, but at the same time try to get American support as well. This is what I tried to show the Serbs.
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I have always supported the Serbs because their cause is just. The enemies of the Serbs are Nazi mass murderers. The Croat Nazis, the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis all supported Hitler and Nazi Germany during the holocaust - an unforgivable crime.
In recent history, the Serbs have fought heroically against the Muslim Nazi invaders of Europe. The war criminals Bill and Hillary Clinton massacred innocent Serbs in an effort to show the Muslim Nazis throughout the world that America is pro-Muslim. Prior to the Clinton-ordered NATO slaughter of innocent Serbs, Saudi Arabia organized dozens of Muslim Nazi nations to pressure the U.S. and Europe to militarily defend the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis. For the U.S. to side with Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims against Serb Christians is pure insanity.
What is so sad here is that the Serbs often hurt their own cause. Yes, many Serbs left the forum. JTF gave the Serbs an historic opportunity to build non-Serb support among the American people. Unfortunately, some Serbs in effect demanded that we support our Russian enemies. If we are not pro-Russia, we cannot be pro-Serbia according to some. Of course, this is utterly absurd. JTF understands that the Serbs seek Russian support and we want Russia to support Serbia. We want everyone to support Serbia. But on other issues, Russia's position is pure evil and always has been. Russia is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program because Russia wants to destroy Israel. Russia has always been viciously anti-Semitic. But we have Serbs telling us that Russia is pro-Jewish and even defending Nazi Iran. Aside from being immoral and evil, espousing this position on a pro-Israel Jewish forum is just stupid beyond words. And yes, when I repeatedly risked my life to publicly defend the Serbs and then Serbs come on this forum preaching Nazi anti-Semitism about how the Jews controlled Russia for centuries and how the Russians were justified in massacring Jews, that does cause a problem.
If you don't want our support, fine. If you consider us to be your enemies, fine. I tried to show the Serbs how to build support among average Americans in a way that could eventually influence U.S. policy. You don't do that by expressing hatred for the United States. That will turn off all of your potential American supporters. You can condemn the Clinton administration attack on Serbia - and you should. But you should make it clear that you want good relations with the U.S. and the American people. You should explain to Americans why anti-Serb policies are bad for America. And why supporting Serbia would be good for America. To say that, as I have done in my many pro-Serb videos, is the smart thing to do. Don't compromise, continue to seek Russian support, but at the same time try to get American support as well. This is what I tried to show the Serbs.
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I have always supported the Serbs because their cause is just. The enemies of the Serbs are Nazi mass murderers. The Croat Nazis, the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis all supported Hitler and Nazi Germany during the holocaust - an unforgivable crime.
In recent history, the Serbs have fought heroically against the Muslim Nazi invaders of Europe. The war criminals Bill and Hillary Clinton massacred innocent Serbs in an effort to show the Muslim Nazis throughout the world that America is pro-Muslim. Prior to the Clinton-ordered NATO slaughter of innocent Serbs, Saudi Arabia organized dozens of Muslim Nazi nations to pressure the U.S. and Europe to militarily defend the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis. For the U.S. to side with Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims against Serb Christians is pure insanity.
What is so sad here is that the Serbs often hurt their own cause. Yes, many Serbs left the forum. JTF gave the Serbs an historic opportunity to build non-Serb support among the American people. Unfortunately, some Serbs in effect demanded that we support our Russian enemies. If we are not pro-Russia, we cannot be pro-Serbia according to some. Of course, this is utterly absurd. JTF understands that the Serbs seek Russian support and we want Russia to support Serbia. We want everyone to support Serbia. But on other issues, Russia's position is pure evil and always has been. Russia is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program because Russia wants to destroy Israel. Russia has always been viciously anti-Semitic. But we have Serbs telling us that Russia is pro-Jewish and even defending Nazi Iran. Aside from being immoral and evil, espousing this position on a pro-Israel Jewish forum is just stupid beyond words. And yes, when I repeatedly risked my life to publicly defend the Serbs and then Serbs come on this forum preaching Nazi anti-Semitism about how the Jews controlled Russia for centuries and how the Russians were justified in massacring Jews, that does cause a problem.
If you don't want our support, fine. If you consider us to be your enemies, fine. I tried to show the Serbs how to build support among average Americans in a way that could eventually influence U.S. policy. You don't do that by expressing hatred for the United States. That will turn off all of your potential American supporters. You can condemn the Clinton administration attack on Serbia - and you should. But you should make it clear that you want good relations with the U.S. and the American people. You should explain to Americans why anti-Serb policies are bad for America. And why supporting Serbia would be good for America. To say that, as I have done in my many pro-Serb videos, is the smart thing to do. Don't compromise, continue to seek Russian support, but at the same time try to get American support as well. This is what I tried to show the Serbs.
Now dear SA is requested to read it calmly with every comma and full stop in view. The strategy elaborated here is all good and ultimate for the Serbs and for all Serbs. Hope you find it cool. BTW do not forget my point on Boris Yeltsin.
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I have always supported the Serbs because their cause is just. The enemies of the Serbs are Nazi mass murderers. The Croat Nazis, the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis all supported Hitler and Nazi Germany during the holocaust - an unforgivable crime.
In recent history, the Serbs have fought heroically against the Muslim Nazi invaders of Europe. The war criminals Bill and Hillary Clinton massacred innocent Serbs in an effort to show the Muslim Nazis throughout the world that America is pro-Muslim. Prior to the Clinton-ordered NATO slaughter of innocent Serbs, Saudi Arabia organized dozens of Muslim Nazi nations to pressure the U.S. and Europe to militarily defend the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis. For the U.S. to side with Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims against Serb Christians is pure insanity.
What is so sad here is that the Serbs often hurt their own cause. Yes, many Serbs left the forum. JTF gave the Serbs an historic opportunity to build non-Serb support among the American people. Unfortunately, some Serbs in effect demanded that we support our Russian enemies. If we are not pro-Russia, we cannot be pro-Serbia according to some. Of course, this is utterly absurd. JTF understands that the Serbs seek Russian support and we want Russia to support Serbia. We want everyone to support Serbia. But on other issues, Russia's position is pure evil and always has been. Russia is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program because Russia wants to destroy Israel. Russia has always been viciously anti-Semitic. But we have Serbs telling us that Russia is pro-Jewish and even defending Nazi Iran. Aside from being immoral and evil, espousing this position on a pro-Israel Jewish forum is just stupid beyond words. And yes, when I repeatedly risked my life to publicly defend the Serbs and then Serbs come on this forum preaching Nazi anti-Semitism about how the Jews controlled Russia for centuries and how the Russians were justified in massacring Jews, that does cause a problem.
If you don't want our support, fine. If you consider us to be your enemies, fine. I tried to show the Serbs how to build support among average Americans in a way that could eventually influence U.S. policy. You don't do that by expressing hatred for the United States. That will turn off all of your potential American supporters. You can condemn the Clinton administration attack on Serbia - and you should. But you should make it clear that you want good relations with the U.S. and the American people. You should explain to Americans why anti-Serb policies are bad for America. And why supporting Serbia would be good for America. To say that, as I have done in my many pro-Serb videos, is the smart thing to do. Don't compromise, continue to seek Russian support, but at the same time try to get American support as well. This is what I tried to show the Serbs.
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Should I stay silent when Poles are called subhuman mongoloids? And they are the best looking nation in Europe!!
Supporting terrible things said about Russians, Iranians, Ukrainians, Poles, blacks, Asians, is against what I believe. At one point in Save Serbia section I defended Croatians when terrible unjustified things were said about them (like denying their history). Than one members comments how we were not bombed enough after having constant contact with the Serbs on this forum for years. No apology or anything. Then comes interpreting WWII events where heroic Russian nation lost 27 million people and where Persians were totally neutral. After that comes speech how advanced Jews are and how they invented everything for Europeans and other nations. Chinese, Arabs, Persians, Russians, Germans, Serbs, Norwegians, English and other nations invented many many things we enjoy today. And I am supposed to stay silent giving my approval to glorifying inventions of one nation over everyone else. I just can't do it, here or anywhere else.
My views about world come to be very different than views of other members here. After all I never insulted anyone with saying "Khazar rule over Slavs was 300 years old". Instead of calling me the worse names possible no one dared to read if that is simple the truth.
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Great post Chaim. You stated all that much more elegantly.
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Should I stay silent when Poles are called subhuman mongoloids? And they are the best looking nation in Europe!!
Supporting terrible things said about Russians, Iranians, Ukrainians, Poles, blacks, Asians, is against what I believe. At one point in Save Serbia section I defended Croatians when terrible unjustified things were said about them (like denying their history). Than one members comments how we were not bombed enough after having constant contact with the Serbs on this forum for years. No apology or anything. Then comes interpreting WWII events where heroic Russian nation lost 27 million people and where Persians were totally neutral. After that comes speech how advanced Jews are and how they invented everything for Europeans and other nations. Chinese, Arabs, Persians, Russians, Germans, Serbs, Norwegians, English and other nations invented many many things we enjoy today. And I am supposed to stay silent giving my approval to glorifying inventions of one nation over everyone else. I just can't do it, here or anywhere else.
My views about world come to be very different than views of other members here. After all I never insulted anyone with saying "Khazar rule over Slavs was 300 years old". Instead of calling me the worse names possible no one dared to read if that is simple the truth.
I hate to say this my friend, but it sounds like JTF just is not the place for you.
If you feel bad in any way for Iranians, Croats, and blacks (all of whom hate Serbs, often murderously), then nothing we can say will get through to you or make sense to you.
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree JTFE. You owe Ephraim an apology.
You keep talking out of you backside DBF. I LIKED the person who I thought Ephraim was. He was a cool guy with interesting comments. You just love to go on about things that arent even real
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You keep talking out of you backside DBF. I LIKED the person who I thought Ephraim was. He was a cool guy with interesting comments. You just love to go on about things that arent even real
He told you about ten times that he wasn't Wonga and you refused to believe him. That's called being dense.
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OK people. Let's all cool off.