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I just got done with a lecture of his...He actually believes that the arabs can be loyal to a Jewish State?...What is this man smoking?...Does he actually believe that Israel can survive as a secular state?...He wants to compensate the arabs of Gaza?..I would give them nothing but the ultimatum leave or die...If you don't believe me here is his lecture....Now I can see why this man has never caught on...For G-D sake will someone tell him that it is strenth that rules the Middle East!..and No there is no such thing as a christian Citizenship in The Jewish Land!...Got it..that is halacha..Don't like it tough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVRCgMyIDs
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I haven't got round to watching the lecture yet so what I am writing below might be irrelevant. I will try to watch it and come back.
Just 3 points come to mind:
1) I have been reading Moshe Feiglin articles for 10 years. He used to be extremely anti Arab. Then his son got injured in a car crash and he was forced to spend time in Sheba hospital Ramat Gan while he was being treated. His tone changed then. Point is that when you are in a top Israeli hospital for a long time, you eventually get treated by a good Arab nurse or doctor. In a war, when the chips are down, they know what side they are on, but Muslims in small numbers can be OK, and freed from the mob mentality of their culture, a few do chose our side or to live here peaceably like righteous gentiles. Maybe he is referring to them.
2) Didn't Rabbi Kahane himself have the idea of giving Arabs money to leave?
I have a fuzzy memory of Kahane using a Talmudic precept of not stealing the property of a non Jew who inhabited the land before you. (Correct me if I am wrong, my knowledge of Talmud is zilch.)
Arabs deserve the right to sell their property before they leave, if they do so peaceably, like my family did when leaving England for Israel.
3) Arabs can be loyal to the state of Israel - but it is rare. My Dad's boss was a Christian Arab whose grandfather fought on the Jewish side during the war of Independence.
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The bottom line is that Feiglin, for all his plus points, like everyone born in the State of Israel is not too smart!
R.Yitzhak Ginsburgh explains the kabbalsitic reasons for this, being that the State's foundations are so fundamentally flawed that it can only be fixed by an external tikkun.
Which is why the Moshiach cannot have been born in the State of Israel.
The Malbim wrote in 1870 that he will be an American!
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The bottom line is that Feiglin, for all his plus points, like everyone born in the State of Israel is not too smart!
R.Yitzhak Ginsburgh explains the kabbalsitic reasons for this, being that the State's foundations are so fundamentally flawed that it can only be fixed by an external tikkun.
Which is why the Moshiach cannot have been born in the State of Israel.
The Malbim wrote in 1870 that he will be an American!
What does this have to do with Feiglin?..I get it you are waiting for a man-god to appear in the US...This is not a JEWISH CONCEPT!!..
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I haven't got round to watching the lecture yet so what I am writing below might be irrelevant. I will try to watch it and come back.
Just 3 points come to mind:
1) I have been reading Moshe Feiglin articles for 10 years. He used to be extremely anti Arab. Then his son got injured in a car crash and he was forced to spend time in Sheba hospital Ramat Gan while he was being treated. His tone changed then. Point is that when you are in a top Israeli hospital for a long time, you eventually get treated by a good Arab nurse or doctor. In a war, when the chips are down, they know what side they are on, but Muslims in small numbers can be OK, and freed from the mob mentality of their culture, a few do chose our side or to live here peaceably like righteous gentiles. Maybe he is referring to them.
2) Didn't Rabbi Kahane himself have the idea of giving Arabs money to leave?
I have a fuzzy memory of Kahane using a Talmudic precept of not stealing the property of a non Jew who inhabited the land before you. (Correct me if I am wrong, my knowledge of Talmud is zilch.)
Arabs deserve the right to sell their property before they leave, if they do so peaceably, like my family did when leaving England for Israel.
3) Arabs can be loyal to the state of Israel - but it is rare. My Dad's boss was a Christian Arab whose grandfather fought on the Jewish side during the war of Independence.
It has been 25 years since the death of Rabbi Meir Kahane Z'L..I ask you a question...since 1990 have the arabs shown there love for Jews...No they have grown more violent...Arabs is Gaza deserve compensation?..For what all the Jews that they have killed and all there supporters...They deserve nothing but death and destruction...Yes 25 years ago Rabbi Kahane did support compensation..If he was here today..I don't think he would...So Feglin got a mushy feeling for arabs 10 years ago...because he son was being treated ina Jewish hospital and he met a nice arab...Let's see him take his son to some arab countries for medical treatment ...What a fool...
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The bottom line is that Feiglin, for all his plus points, like everyone born in the State of Israel is not too smart!
R.Yitzhak Ginsburgh explains the kabbalsitic reasons for this, being that the State's foundations are so fundamentally flawed that it can only be fixed by an external tikkun.
Which is why the Moshiach cannot have been born in the State of Israel.
The Malbim wrote in 1870 that he will be an American!
I see yerusha escaped from the mental hospital again
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If Israelis are dumb, and they invented the entire modern world, then everyone else must be a retard.
You Satmar Yershua?
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I haven't got round to watching the lecture yet so what I am writing below might be irrelevant. I will try to watch it and come back.
Just 3 points come to mind:
1) I have been reading Moshe Feiglin articles for 10 years. He used to be extremely anti Arab. Then his son got injured in a car crash and he was forced to spend time in Sheba hospital Ramat Gan while he was being treated. His tone changed then. Point is that when you are in a top Israeli hospital for a long time, you eventually get treated by a good Arab nurse or doctor. In a war, when the chips are down, they know what side they are on, but Muslims in small numbers can be OK, and freed from the mob mentality of their culture, a few do chose our side or to live here peaceably like righteous gentiles. Maybe he is referring to them.
2) Didn't Rabbi Kahane himself have the idea of giving Arabs money to leave?
I have a fuzzy memory of Kahane using a Talmudic precept of not stealing the property of a non Jew who inhabited the land before you. (Correct me if I am wrong, my knowledge of Talmud is zilch.)
Arabs deserve the right to sell their property before they leave, if they do so peaceably, like my family did when leaving England for Israel.
3) Arabs can be loyal to the state of Israel - but it is rare. My Dad's boss was a Christian Arab whose grandfather fought on the Jewish side during the war of Independence.
I haven't seen any flipflopping by Feiglin regarding his position of the enemy, pre or post accident. Prove me wrong with sources if I'm wrong. He has always maintained they should be paid to leave and the vast majority of them, or all of them, will not pledge allegiance to a Jewish state.
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He writes articles featured on his sites that are very good, critics of the demonic netania.hwo regime here.
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At least Feiglin has the guts to stand up against Shabak Obama and demand Jewish prayer rights on Har Habayit.
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If Israelis are dumb, and they invented the entire modern world, then everyone else must be a retard.
You Satmar Yershua?
I can vouch for him that he is definately not a Satmar!!!
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I haven't seen any flipflopping by Feiglin regarding his position of the enemy, pre or post accident. Prove me wrong with sources if I'm wrong. He has always maintained they should be paid to leave and the vast majority of them, or all of them, will not pledge allegiance to a Jewish state.
He didn't flip flop. He just softened a little. For example this article would have not been written before the accident.
http://www.jewishisrael.org/moshe-feiglin-also-arabs-love-israel/
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It has been 25 years since the death of Rabbi Meir Kahane Z'L..I ask you a question...since 1990 have the arabs shown there love for Jews...No they have grown more violent...Arabs is Gaza deserve compensation?..For what all the Jews that they have killed and all there supporters...They deserve nothing but death and destruction...Yes 25 years ago Rabbi Kahane did support compensation..If he was here today..I don't think he would...So Feglin got a mushy feeling for arabs 10 years ago...because he son was being treated ina Jewish hospital and he met a nice arab...Let's see him take his son to some arab countries for medical treatment
you are saying that it is unethical to pay someone to leave who has personally murdered a Jew or supported murder of Israelis. That's a good point.
No the Arabs in Gaza do not deserve compensation. However the buildings they live in are worth money along with the plumbing and infrastructure. If Jews buy those buildings from them in order to get them to leave, and save the money and hassle of bombing the place and having to rebuild, then how is that bad?
I am sure there are some arabs who would be happy to leave peaceably if they had the economic means.
It also fits in with the Talmudic idea of not stealing the plunder of the enemy that Kahane alluded to.
I think Kahane if he was alive today would still want to buy Arab property from those who would leave peaceably. But I don't know for sure
While Feiglin softened, he hasn't "mushy". He still wants Gaza and Judea annexed and is correct on Har Habayit.
I listened to the audio. I didn't hear much softness about Arabs, but then I dozed a bit in the middle.
It only got interesting near the end when the students ask him about Beaurocracy in Israel and when he predicts 1 million new Olim arriving in Israel within 10 years.
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R.Kahane himself stated that he didn't hate Arabs - but that he respected them! He said "the Arab has a sense of pride, of honor, a religion, an ideology, a belief system that they will not compromise, including never to make peace with the Jews in control of Israel.....which is why the Arab HAS to go!"
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R.Kahane himself stated that he didn't hate Arabs - but that he respected them! He said "the Arab has a sense of pride, of honor, a religion, an ideology, a belief system that they will not compromise, including never to make peace with the Jews in control of Israel.....which is why the Arab HAS to go!"
True. I think Kahane respected the Arabs more than many leftists.
I never heard of the Malbin so I looked him up, but couldn't find a quote of him saying the Messiah will be American (!) :) But then quotes on the messiah are so contradictory in everything.
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I never heard of the Malbin so I looked him up, but couldn't find a quote of him saying the Messiah will be American
That the Moshiach will be from America:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jv3c9rg
הגמרא (סנהדרין צח) מספרת שמשיח נמצא ברומי, ובדורנו "פתחה של רומי", דהיינו המדינה הגדולה בעולם (גבורות ה' פרק י"ח),
הוא באמריקה, שם יושב המלך המשיח ומצפה לגאולה. וכן מובא בשם המלבי"ם (רב"ב מקמניץ, קכ"ד) "שמשיח בהכרח שיבוא מאמריקה", וכן אמר בעל ה"דברי חיים" מצאנז (ספר ארצות החיים מכתב ו') "משיח יתגלה באמריקה
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If Israelis are dumb, and they invented the entire modern world, then everyone else must be a retard.
"Stupidity in Israel reaches extraterrestrial proportions!" (Prof Paul Eidelberg)
"There is nothing more stupid, twisted and unreachable in the universe as the Israeli Sabra!" (R.Meir Kahane)
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You Satmar Yershua?
Remember that two Satmars insited on carrying R.Kahane's bier at his funeral.
The Satmars, with a dash of of tweaking, are probably closer to Kahanism than most knitted kipot in Yesha: "Les extremes se touchent!"
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I never heard of the Malbin so I looked him up, but couldn't find a quote of him saying the Messiah will be American (!) :) But then quotes on the messiah are so contradictory in everything.
So what if he did say it? Totally irrelevant to this.
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Remember that two Satmars insited on carrying R.Kahane's bier at his funeral.
The Satmars, with a dash of of tweaking, are probably closer to Kahanism than most knitted kipot in Yesha: "Les extremes se touchent!"
Nope. Not even close to true.
Satmars are close to extremism, but that in itself doesn't make them Kahanists or close to Kahanists. Their VIEWS are insane and have nothing to do with Kahanism.
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I can vouch for him that he is definately not a Satmar!!!
One doesn't need to be a Satmar chussid in order to share views with them. The person wasn't asking if he dresses like them or goes to their shul. He was pointing out similarity in views.
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"Stupidity in Israel reaches extraterrestrial proportions!" (Prof Paul Eidelberg)
"There is nothing more stupid, twisted and unreachable in the universe as the Israeli Sabra!" (R.Meir Kahane)
vouch for it, there is nothing more truer than this statement.
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So what if he did say it? Totally irrelevant to this.
It means that the Moshiach cannot be a Sabra ie any Jew born in the State of Israel.
Our little non-Sabra Chaim has x100 Jewish common Torah sense & sechel than even the best rebbe, rabbi, rightist politician or Kahanist Sabra born in Israel.
Feiglin for all his plus points, poor fellow, was born in Israel.
As R.Ginsburgh in his book shows, the fatally flawed metaphysical and ideological foundations of the State of Israel mean that it is a given that anyone born in it, of whatever ilk, even though smart in some areas, is by defintion axiomatically overall an unreachable and unreconstructible idiot on a major level.
eg although BZK was raised in Israel, but being born like his father in the USA, making him not a Sabra, was thereby head and shoulders above even the best of his Sabra colleagues and progeny.
Where a soul and body was geographically born, and more so, conceived 9 months earlier, is what metaphysically counts!
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Here is a conversation which took place between Mike Miller (An American Kahanist who made Aliyah to Israel and collects and displays Kahane's videos, posters, etc etc. I recommend that you search him on Facebook or YouTube at these things he has posted).
Me with Moshe Feiglin at Bar Ilan University after he spoke about several important topics concerning the future of Israel as a Jewish state and how his unique party, זהות - תנועה ישראלית יהודית Zehut - Israeli Jewish Movement, can impact and influence the nation as a whole. I took video of the entire event. It was a pleasure to hear some normalcy today, I've had it with lying and dishonest politicians both from the Israeli left and right.
I'm posting this here because he also personified the Jewish Idea.
Here is the conversation I had with Moshe Feiglin:
Me: "Moshe Feiglin, I voted in the past two elections for עוצמה לישראל and עוצמהיהודית, people are saying that I threw my vote in the toilet. What do you think?"
Feiglin: "Well, you did, but not because you voted your conscience, but think rationally for a second, even if they would have made it past the threshold and into the Knesset, what good could have possibly come out of it. Marzel would have remained in the opposition and not in the coalition and made knesset speeches from the podium. Any dummy can do that. Believe me, there are plenty of good things to watch on TV other than people making speeches in the Knesset. I can tell you first hand from being in מנהיגות יהודית in the Likud party. You would have been better off not having voted at all."
Me: "Why won't you join forces with Michael Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel?"
Feiglin: Because that's exactly what the kahanistim and Media want me to do and I'm not going to give into their demands. An alliance with them would be completely disastrous for my voters and my image. I would davka lose voices. I tried very hard to get that kahanist label off of me. Clearly, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but today is 2016 and not the 1980's. Therefore, if you want to get any change done in the Knesset, and be in some type of position to rule, you cannot afford that label. I want to remain a Jew and not a kahanist, for the people's and this country's sake.
Me: What is your opinion of עוצמה יהודית?
Feiglin: "Their mistake was in their campaign, the way they presented themselves. They had a terrible campaign and just wanted to throw the Arabs out, but there's so much more to Israel than just the Arab issue. They know how to rouse up a crowd, stir up noise, and get angry. But where does it get them? I tell you that not only are Arabs afraid of them, but also many other Jews as well. They wanted to get into the Knesset and merely be another MK, but unlike them, I don't intend on being just another MK, I intend on going for the whole ball game. I want to lead!" You'll see that when I get 10-12 seats in the next elections, Marzel and Ben-Ari will be begging to get on the bandwagon and join me.
Me: "In what way today, do you disagree with Rabbi Meir Kahane HY"D?"
Feiglin: I agree with most of what he says, except in a few areas. He may not have cared that the media labeled him a Arab-hating-fire-breathing-extremist, but the media labeled him as such. I think he appeared in the media as either too aggressive or too angry, and with the Israeli media today, one must be extremely careful about how he looks and what he says. He was trying to touch people's feelings and nerves, but today, you can't always say what's on your mind, and you don't always have to. In order to make a change in the knesset, you don't need to compromise on your principles but you need to do it wisely. You voted for Marzel, really, out of desperation because you saw no other alternative, well, guess what? I am that alternative!
I'm not trying to save the kahanistim. They have already dug their own grave. I'm trying to save the nation. I don't associate myself with any left-wing or right-wing party, not to secular parties and most certainly not to kippa sruga parties. I have nothing to do with either side. The problem is, is that the left has the ideology and the only thing the right-wing says today is "We aren't left." Which doesn't help us one iota! The right-wing still talks about Areas A, B, C, etc. and still hasn't severed the ties with the Oslo accords back in the 90's and that's the tragedy. That they still think in those terms, like occupiers!
Chaim response to this: "It's a little a disappointing to hear what Feiglin had to say. He had some good points and some bad points. And unfortunately too soft spoken. I know on the other hand, there is no alternative out there. However, it can improve our movement's situation which brings out the real conversation."
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It means that the Moshiach cannot be a Sabra ie any Jew born in the State of Israel
Lol really? Because what Malbim said about mosciach is definitive? What caused you to worship this rabbi as infallible? Oh right because you like his answer. But then you should follow every single detail of what he said and every halacha position in addition to personal opinions and random predictions like this one. But obviously you don't.
You know how many rabbis have said something about Moshiach and turned out to be wrong?
Setting the above aside, and not even addressing the manner in which he made this prediction (it could have been off the cuff or simply meant as a compliment to American Jewry - did you know they asked him to be chief rabbi of America but he turned it down? - or it could have been meant only conceptually), setting all that aside this whole subject is still completely irrelevant to the topic at hand: Moshe Feiglin and his approach to our enemies.
So irrelevant that it's mind-boggling you brought it up here at all. Are you implying the only person worth supporting or voting for as a leader is the messiah? So crazy it is funny despite being sad you think this way.
Feiglin for all his plus points, poor fellow, was born in Israel.
Again who cares? Irrelevant point.
That you imply the only person who could do anything good or ever lead israel is messiah reflects your nutty satmar influences. The type of paralyzed thinking that ensures nothing gets accomplished and problems are never addressed. Whether to support Feiglin and discussing his opinion has zero to do with Moshiach and is not even something to consider in general. We believe Moshiach will come as a principle of faith and it has nothing to do with how we act. We observe the Torah.
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Here is a conversation which took place between Mike Miller (An American Kahanist who made Aliyah to Israel and collects and displays Kahane's videos, posters, etc etc. I recommend that you search him on Facebook or YouTube at these things he has posted).
Me with Moshe Feiglin at Bar Ilan University after he spoke about several important topics concerning the future of Israel as a Jewish state and how his unique party, זהות - תנועה ישראלית יהודית Zehut - Israeli Jewish Movement, can impact and influence the nation as a whole. I took video of the entire event. It was a pleasure to hear some normalcy today, I've had it with lying and dishonest politicians both from the Israeli left and right.
I'm posting this here because he also personified the Jewish Idea.
Here is the conversation I had with Moshe Feiglin:
Me: "Moshe Feiglin, I voted in the past two elections for עוצמה לישראל and עוצמהיהודית, people are saying that I threw my vote in the toilet. What do you think?"
Feiglin: "Well, you did, but not because you voted your conscience, but think rationally for a second, even if they would have made it past the threshold and into the Knesset, what good could have possibly come out of it. Marzel would have remained in the opposition and not in the coalition and made knesset speeches from the podium. Any dummy can do that. Believe me, there are plenty of good things to watch on TV other than people making speeches in the Knesset. I can tell you first hand from being in מנהיגות יהודית in the Likud party. You would have been better off not having voted at all."
Me: "Why won't you join forces with Michael Ben Ari and Baruch Marzel?"
Feiglin: Because that's exactly what the kahanistim and Media want me to do and I'm not going to give into their demands. An alliance with them would be completely disastrous for my voters and my image. I would davka lose voices. I tried very hard to get that kahanist label off of me. Clearly, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but today is 2016 and not the 1980's. Therefore, if you want to get any change done in the Knesset, and be in some type of position to rule, you cannot afford that label. I want to remain a Jew and not a kahanist, for the people's and this country's sake.
Me: What is your opinion of עוצמה יהודית?
Feiglin: "Their mistake was in their campaign, the way they presented themselves. They had a terrible campaign and just wanted to throw the Arabs out, but there's so much more to Israel than just the Arab issue. They know how to rouse up a crowd, stir up noise, and get angry. But where does it get them? I tell you that not only are Arabs afraid of them, but also many other Jews as well. They wanted to get into the Knesset and merely be another MK, but unlike them, I don't intend on being just another MK, I intend on going for the whole ball game. I want to lead!" You'll see that when I get 10-12 seats in the next elections, Marzel and Ben-Ari will be begging to get on the bandwagon and join me.
Me: "In what way today, do you disagree with Rabbi Meir Kahane HY"D?"
Feiglin: I agree with most of what he says, except in a few areas. He may not have cared that the media labeled him a Arab-hating-fire-breathing-extremist, but the media labeled him as such. I think he appeared in the media as either too aggressive or too angry, and with the Israeli media today, one must be extremely careful about how he looks and what he says. He was trying to touch people's feelings and nerves, but today, you can't always say what's on your mind, and you don't always have to. In order to make a change in the knesset, you don't need to compromise on your principles but you need to do it wisely. You voted for Marzel, really, out of desperation because you saw no other alternative, well, guess what? I am that alternative!
I'm not trying to save the kahanistim. They have already dug their own grave. I'm trying to save the nation. I don't associate myself with any left-wing or right-wing party, not to secular parties and most certainly not to kippa sruga parties. I have nothing to do with either side. The problem is, is that the left has the ideology and the only thing the right-wing says today is "We aren't left." Which doesn't help us one iota! The right-wing still talks about Areas A, B, C, etc. and still hasn't severed the ties with the Oslo accords back in the 90's and that's the tragedy. That they still think in those terms, like occupiers!
Chaim response to this: "It's a little a disappointing to hear what Feiglin had to say. He had some good points and some bad points. And unfortunately too soft spoken. I know on the other hand, there is no alternative out there. However, it can improve our movement's situation which brings out the real conversation."
I have to agree with Chaim's response.
I think if Feiglin gets a strong showing in the next election it will be a very very positive thing, even if I think he too readily dismisses Kahanists and strong language that we feel is necessary to reach people and which he apparently feels somehow harms the cause.
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" I tried very hard to get that kahanist label off of me"
I knew it!..He is weak...This man could not shine Rabbi Meir Kahane shoes...Becareful not to say anything wrong Feglin..You might offend people...I knew I was picking up something in his speech pattern..I just could not put my finger on it...
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"and with the Israeli media today, one must be extremely careful about how he looks and what he says"
So Feiglin is worried about the leftist media?..LOL....I don't know but I find this the most troubling..He almost sounds..hmm...like a politically correct tiptoeing schmuck...
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What does this have to do with Feiglin?..I get it you are waiting for a man-god to appear in the US...This is not a JEWISH CONCEPT!!..
Obviously you would not know a Jewish concept if it hit you in the face,Moshiach coming is very much a Jewish concept the man-god idea was Christian invention was not what Yerusha was talking about!!!
If you knew Torah especially Rabbi Kahane's.ZT"L.HY"D,ZY"A writings you would know that he as well as all practicing Jews wait for the coming of Moshiach.
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Obviously you would not know a Jewish concept if it hit you in the face,Moshiach coming is very much a Jewish concept the man-god idea was Christian invention was not what Yerusha was talking about!!!
If you knew Torah especially Rabbi Kahane's.ZT"L.HY"D,ZY"A writings you would know that he as well as all practicing Jews wait for the coming of Moshiach.
You are confused and either fail to grasp what yerusha is saying or you are reflexively defending him. Moshiach coming has nothing to do wih this thread or Moshe Feiglin.
R. Kahane did not believe himself to be Moshiach nor that he needed to be Moshiach in order to get elected or lead Israel. That whole notion is against everything he taught. How would anyone not understand that?
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You are confused and either fail to grasp what yerusha is saying or you are reflexively defending him. Moshiach coming has nothing to do wih this thread or Moshe Feiglin.
R. Kahane did not believe himself to be Moshiach nor that he needed to be Moshiach in order to get elected or lead Israel. That whole notion is against everything he taught. How would anyone not understand that?
Perhaps I misunderstood what he was saying
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Obviously you would not know a Jewish concept if it hit you in the face,Moshiach coming is very much a Jewish concept the man-god idea was Christian invention was not what Yerusha was talking about!!!
If you knew Torah especially Rabbi Kahane's.ZT"L.HY"D,ZY"A writings you would know that he as well as all practicing Jews wait for the coming of Moshiach.
Since you can't seem to figure out that the thread is about Moshe Feiglin...I will ask you some questions...Do you believe that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson is The Moshiach?..I will tell you my opinion...He is not..See I just gave you a direct answer..Infact I will go as far as to say that Rabbi Meir Kahane was much closer to a Moshiach than Rabbi Schneerson...While "the rebbe" was telling Jews to check there Mezuzahs and tefillin..Rabbi Meir Kahane was fighting for Jews in Israel and had far more of a impact on Russian Jewery than he was ever given recognition...Schneerson had Galut mentality and never even went to Israel...Infact the mitzvah to live in the land of Israel is the greatest..So even Moshe Feglin has him beat
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Since you can't seem to figure out that the thread is about Moshe Feiglin...I will ask you some questions...Do you believe that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson is The Moshiach?..I will tell you my opinion...He is not..See I just gave you a direct answer..Infact I will go as far as to say that Rabbi Meir Kahane was much closer to a Moshiach than Rabbi Schneerson...While "the rebbe" was telling Jews to check there Mezuzahs and tefillin..Rabbi Meir Kahane was fighting for Jews in Israel and had far more of a impact on Russian Jewery than he was ever given recognition...Schneerson had Galut mentality and never even went to Israel...Infact the mitzvah to live in the land of Israel is the greatest..So even Moshe Feglin has him beat
I think when he (The Rebbe) was alive he was the best candidate but now they that he died not.
As far as Rabbi Kahane he fit the description of Moshiach Ben Yosef because he was murdred fighting for Jews.
Both were great leaders both had their roles
Moshe Feiglin does not fit in this role like the Rebbe & the Rav did as he is a politician,but he is the best of what we have here today even better than the self proclaimed Kahanists who did nothing to help Chaim & other Jews denied aliyah & who B"H lost in their last run for Knesset,Feiglin is honest unlike them IMHO.
BTW,Do you live in Israel? If not you have no right to criticize others who also don't live here certainly not any gadol b'Yisroel!!!!
And you don't call a gadol by his last name it shows your ignorance!!!!
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I think when he (The Rebbe) was alive he was the best candidate but now they that he died not.
As far as Rabbi Kahane he fit the description of Moshiach Ben Yosef because he was murdred fighting for Jews.
Both were great leaders both had their roles
Moshe Feiglin does not fit in this role like the Rebbe & the Rav did as he is a politician,but he is the best of what we have here today even better than the self proclaimed Kahanists who did nothing to help Chaim & other Jews denied aliyah & who B"H lost in their last run for Knesset,Feiglin is honest unlike them IMHO.
BTW,Do you live in Israel? If not you have no right to criticize others who also don't live here certainly not any gadol b'Yisroel!!!!
And you don't call a gadol by his last name it shows your ignorance!!!!
Why do I have to consider Rabbi Schneerson as a gadol?...In truth as you can tell I don't like Hasidic thought...It reeks of Gnosticism...and I am not the first Jew to notice that...
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Why do I have to consider Rabbi Schneerson as a gadol?...In truth as you can tell I don't like Hasidic thought...It reeks of Gnosticism...and I am not the first Jew to notice that...
Why should you consider anybody a gadol?
Because of their deeds & actions.
Apparently you have no idea who the Rebbe,ZT"L,ZY"A was or you wouldn't talk such trash!!
I have no idea what Gnosticism is.
Have you ever learned Chassidus?
Unless you have you have no right to make such a judgement!!!!!
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Why should you consider anybody a gadol?
Because of their deeds & actions.
Apparently you have no idea who the Rebbe,ZT"L,ZY"A was or you wouldn't talk such trash!!
I have no idea what Gnosticism is.
Have you ever learned Chassidus?
Unless you have you have no right to make such a judgement!!!!!
Since this thread has gone off the rails..I will challenge you and Chassidus...You do realize that all Hasidic Thought has it's roots in the The Zohar?..So you are buying the line that it was authored by the Rashbi..I will tell you that this is a lie and falsehood..I know you will not take my word for it...So here is a clip to give you idea of what I am talking about...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyKOxdlDjVA...Chabad for all it's good works that it has done has also been equally destructive..Why would I say such a thing here is a link..http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/3234049/jewish/Gala-Reinforces-Vibrant-Jewish-Life-in-Paris.htm...They want Jews in the GALUT..and are going to cause there death..They are steeped in superstition and mystycal thought...example 1.
This perception of mezuzah has been widely popularized during
the past several years in the literature of the Lubavitcher
movement, particularly since the terrorist attack at Ma'alot in
1,974, and more recently since Entebbe. One particular Chabad
brochure, circulated in the wake of Ma'alot, calls upon Jews to
marshal their spiritual "defenses," depicting specific mitsvo tand
mezuza& is prominent among thsrnl-2s "helmets," which "military strategy" advisesz ( a battlefield analogy which is more
than figurative). Following the rescue at Entebbe, and a discourse
by the Lubavitcher Rebbe in which the protective view was articulated
in learned formulation,3 a student'branch of the movement
distributed a flyer suggesting that the ordeal of the hostages
may be linked to the collective inefficacy of their mezuzot