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Shalom, from an ex muslim
« on: March 01, 2008, 10:25:41 PM »
Shalom JTF people
I'm an ex muslim, 24 years old, I have left islam for good and all I want now is to really affiliate in pro Israel/zionist activities as I really wish (my dream) is to convert to judaism soemday, I've been told I might have jewish blood so that I love israel and the jews so much. I've been visiting JTF's website and listening to my Hero Chaim religiously for over 2 years now, that's why I really confide in this place and certainly would love to share my personal testimony with you all.

Shalom. As an Arab Muslim I once asked myself: Why do I hate Israel?  I really thought about this question. After only a little deliberation the answer was clear, because I am a Muslim and Islam is extremely intolerant. It's the intolerance to everything non Muslim, that is the problem and I say this as a Muslim, but today I have rejected the teachings of Islam for this very reason.  I have left Islam.  As an Arab "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi", living in an Arab country, coming from a Muslim family, I was brought up with the hatred of Jews, Christians, and all non Muslims. Now I'm 24, I have matured enough to view the world through a different perspective; I reviewed real history and studied the sequence of events before and since the restoration of the State of Israel.  I decided to step outside the mindset of a typical Muslim.  It didn't take long to realize that I was on the wrong track and I moved quickly to the other side.  In order to be at peace with myself I have come to reject the hatred of Israel and now love my former enemy.  I have not embraced another religion but I am seeking a new spiritual path.

Why do the Arabs and Muslims have to reject the presence of a Jewish state in a tiny percentage of the land of the Middle East?  Why does Islamic intolerance forbid other nations their right to exist in their own land?  The whole world should realize that Islam is at war with all nations on the planet.  In our Muslim societies it is not "the extremists" but the whole society infected with this hatred.  It is in the mosques, the schools, in the media and in the homes of nearly every Muslim family.  It isn't just Israel they hate but America and Christians as well.  Islam hates all other religions.  In the case of Israel, its only fault is that it's a Jewish state who wants to live in peace within its borders. It's not a struggle of so called "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis" to establish a country and retain some land, which was never theirs, I know because I studied the real history. The real problem is racism and the intolerance of Muslims, the blind hatred and jealousy to see a flourishing, strong and modern country where people from other faiths can live peacefully. Why are the Jews forbidden to have a country? These people have contributed much to the world's culture and offered the best scientists, artists, doctors and have been victims of intolerance throughout history? Why are they forbidden to live in their national Zionist dream and return to their homeland, which was some desert which they cultivated and transformed in to one of the most beautiful landscapes on earth? Why do the Arabs and the Muslim world have to take everything, and claim every land they step on to be theirs. "Eretz Yisrael" never existed, and should never, and that is coming from me an Arab who is classified as a "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi."  The creation of a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state would be the biggest threat to the existence of Israel and would not bring one day of peace to Israel; I know how my people think! By promoting such a state would be the equivalent of supporting the Nazis in their quest to destroy the Jews.
 
Israel has already made the mistake twice of giving land for peace, once in Southern Lebanon, and secondly in Gaza. We all know the terrible results: the expansion of Hizballah's power in Lebanon and the creation of a terrorist state in Gaza.  Hamas and other terrorist organizations now have the space to launch more terrorist attacks and hostile activities on Israeli cities and villages.
 
Israel's right to exist shouldn't be open for discussion. Hamas, Hizballah or Islamic Jihad, and the people behind them, must be destroyed.   Nothing should hinder Israel's army to do whatever it takes to protect their people and ensure the safety of Israel, from Tel Aviv, to the smallest settlement inside Israel which should include Judea and Samaria (the West Bank).

I don't blame the Israeli army for any defense measure it takes. It has been fighting Islamic terrorism long before any other nation has faced their atrocities. The Israeli soldiers have been on the front line on behalf of the whole free world. I am proud to support the Israeli defense forces, the most civilized and humane army in the world, no matter how the media might try to portray them. One can't but respect the brave Israeli army which puts its soldiers' lives at risk in order to protect civilian life in Gaza or Southern Lebanon, the same civilians whom in both places have voted terrorist organizations to power. The same "innocent civilians" which deny Israel's right to exist, who never are held accountable for the democratic choices they have made. Yet still, the Israeli army, and in the most critical war times, try as much as possible to avoid harming their lives, even at the expense of losing lives on their side as well as tactical and strategic disadvantages because of their moral behavior. I salute the Israeli army; I can't but support these heroes, and bow in respect to the memory of their fallen ones. I can't but stand with Israel in its fight for its existence amid this crazy part of the world.
 
I used to hate Israel with a passion but today I am proud to say that I have shed my hatred for Israel and it has transformed to a deep love, passion, and respect for Zionism and all the values it stands for.

I am proud that today I support the full restoration of Jerusalem. For the first time in my life I'm at peace with myself and in great harmony of what I believe in; standing with Israel and the Jewish people, who are the most forgiving and tolerant people on earth. They must be praised for their deep dedication to their cause, and for their patience in their endurance of harm and hatred.
 
Jerusalem should never be divided and soon the Temple Mount should also be liberated. All other religious groups in the world have free access to their most sacred sites yet the Jews still watch their holiest place, Solomon's Temple, under occupation.  I can't but feel compassionate with their dream, and I know that their fight is now my fight.

Israel's existence and survival is really a test and responsibility for the whole civilized world. It's the battle against Islam's imperial quest to conquer the whole world. Israel is the fortress and stronghold for freedom and tolerance in the Middle East, the frontline on the world’s war against the tyranny of Islam.
 
I have held my tongue for too long but today a great burden has been lifted from my heart.  I don't care if I've been considered a traitor by my people for loving Israel. It's an honor for me; if supporting Israel's right to exist is a sin then I'm a sinner.  I'm proud to be an Arab who stands with a country that should be emulated by all its neighbors.  For the sake of its people and for the sake of the world's stability and freedom, I'm proud to say I love Israel.  I know that even if I don't have Jewish blood in my veins, I know I am Israeli at heart.  Long live Israel!
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Re: Shalom Zionists, from an ex muslim
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 10:29:30 PM »
Welcome.

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Re: Shalom Zionists, from an ex muslim
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 10:37:14 PM »
Welcome, Ex-Muslim 4 Israel!

What a different world we could live in if all Muslims would come to share your insights and wisdom.


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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2008, 10:46:03 PM »
A BIG welcome, Xm4I.
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Nice to have an ex-muSSlim aboard.

I wonder if you could start a thread in the "Ask poster-show threads" section. I'm sure everyone would have lots of questions for you.

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?board=74.0

Mine is..........How have you avoided the murder or physical attacks that other ex-muSSlims seem to get?

Once again, WELCOME. O0 O0

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 10:47:17 PM »
Massuh indeed, All what muslims need is to step out of the mindset of a typical muslim filled with fear, hatred, and intolerance. Admitting Israel's right to exist would automatically follow.
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2008, 10:50:17 PM »
Ex Muslim 4 Israel, did your family also leave Islam? Have you received any death threats? 

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 10:59:45 PM »
shalom Newman, thank you. In response to your question, actually, not yet, I haven't received any, since it's all very "secret" at the moment, sure I'll be getting some once I go public. The mindset of a muslim now is all fixed on murder and killing, it's alll what they understand. and that's whast israel is giving them at the moment in Gaza, Muslim extermists and their mohammad well can kiss my boots.  i'm 100 % sure of what I'm doing and what I want to be in the future. Israel is the center of the universe and the light for the whole world, and I'm proud to be the tiniest soldier at Israel's service.
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2008, 11:09:49 PM »
shalom Newman, thank you. In response to your question, actually, not yet, I haven't received any, since it's all very "secret" at the moment, sure I'll be getting some once I go public. The mindset of a muslim now is all fixed on murder and killing, it's alll what they understand. and that's whast israel is giving them at the moment in Gaza, Muslim extermists and their mohammad well can kiss my boots.  i'm 100 % sure of what I'm doing and what I want to be in the future. Israel is the center of the universe and the light for the whole world, and I'm proud to be the tiniest soldier at Israel's service.

I wholeheartedly commend you for your decency and bravery, Ex'. But I urge you to take care. Don't shout your new awakening from the rooftops if it means your life. You're worth more to the world alive than dead. An isider could be a help to Israel's cause.

BTW,

Have you considered that you are probably of Phoenician blood more than arab..........not that it matters. The mid-east had many a great people and culture before the curse of iSSlam. The Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians.................all of whom contributed to civilisation. I hope more can reject the cult of misery and death.

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2008, 11:26:00 PM »
You are right newman, don't worry, it's the first place in here where I write anything related to Israel. I know I'm living with barbaric criminals or (nazi terrorists, as Chaim calls them) so I'm very careful about what to say and when to say it.I'm even paranoid about it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2008, 11:37:53 PM »
You are right newman, don't worry, it's the first place in here where I write anything related to Israel. I know I'm living with barbaric criminals or (nazi terrorists, as Chaim calls them) so I'm very careful about what to say and when to say it.I'm even paranoid about it.

You're right to be.

Many arabs/Phoenicians came to the realisation their land was inhabited by savages and that their once great cultures were hijacked by a death cult. I don't know whether you're aware of Brigitte Gabriel, Walid Shoebat or Wafa sultan but here are their sites:

http://www.shoebat.com/

http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/profile.asp

http://www.wafasultan.org/


Use this forum and the web to speak out and have your say (you'll go nuts if you bottle it up), but exercise caution in the physical world until you can move to a place of safety.

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2008, 11:50:24 PM »
Welcome Ex.  You're a shining example of the fact that being raised Muslim is no excuse to stay Muslim.  It is within an Arab's power as a human being to reject this vile, barbaric religion.  Therefore there should be no sympathy for those who remain Muslim, even if they are raised that way.  Their conscience should eventually tell them differently.

Exactly, I personally have no sympathy whatever towards muslims anymore, who are a threat not only to Israel but to the whole free or simply non muslim world. They raise even their kids on hatred and terrorism and rejection of the others. There should be no morales whatesovere whilst fighting muslims, and all the "innocent civilian" crap must be abandoned by the IDf as well as US marines . Muslims, old or young, are dangerous. I know what I'm saying cos I've been there.
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2008, 11:50:45 PM »
Welcome Aboard Ex Muslim!

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2008, 11:56:29 PM »
You're right to be.

Many arabs/Phoenicians came to the realisation their land was inhabited by savages and that their once great cultures were hijacked by a death cult. I don't know whether you're aware of Brigitte Gabriel, Walid Shoebat or Wafa sultan but here are their sites:

Use this forum and the web to speak out and have your say (you'll go nuts if you bottle it up), but exercise caution in the physical world until you can move to a place of safety.


Sure I've known about these guys as I've contacted Shoebat's team also.
And you're absolutely right abut the culture. Beautiful and amazing cultures ruled this land before the pedophile sent his babaric armies to occupy this gorgeous part of the world and turn it to the [censored] hole it bacame. How I'd love to wake up one day to Islam completely disappearing from the middle east and the whole world.
Nobody deserves to be a muslim. lol.
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2008, 12:01:54 AM »
Welcome.   :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 12:07:14 AM »
You're right to be.

Many arabs/Phoenicians came to the realisation their land was inhabited by savages and that their once great cultures were hijacked by a death cult. I don't know whether you're aware of Brigitte Gabriel, Walid Shoebat or Wafa sultan but here are their sites:

Use this forum and the web to speak out and have your say (you'll go nuts if you bottle it up), but exercise caution in the physical world until you can move to a place of safety.


Sure I've known about these guys as I've contacted Shoebat's team also.
And you're absolutely right abut the culture. Beautiful and amazing cultures ruled this land before the pedophile sent his babaric armies to occupy this gorgeous part of the world and turn it to the excrement hole it bacame. How I'd love to wake up one day to Islam completely disappearing from the middle east and the whole world.
Nobody deserves to be a muslim. lol.

Religion is a personal thing. Politics is just lables.

I've found there are only two types of person. Those who believe in freedom and those who don't. Simple as that.

We have westerners who cannot tollerate personal freedom and choices and thus subscribe to an idea that a big government must become over-lords of the people and rule by force of legislation. These are what we call the 'left', 'communists', 'nazis' or 'liberals'.

I suspect that iSSlam appeals to a similar base mentallity. Having a bunch of mullahs dictate every aspect of ones existance relieves the stupid of the responsibility to think, choose and act.

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2008, 12:13:55 AM »
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2008, 12:19:35 AM »
Right Newman, I blame the so called liberals for most of the atrocities the world has witnessed- through Islamic hands fo course. Liberals are as evil as suicide bombers. Not only commiting suicide alone but taking a whole lots of people with them.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2008, 12:39:25 AM »
Right Newman, I blame the so called liberals for most of the atrocities the world has witnessed- through Islamic hands fo course. Liberals are as evil as suicide bombers. Not only commiting suicide alone but taking a whole lots of people with them.

Liberals are like AIDS.

People who die after being infected by AIDS don't actually die from it. They die from a common virus or infection that would never kill a non-infected person. AIDS is what enables common germs to kill. A germ is a would-be killer. AIDS is the enabler.

Similarly, a  good, moral society would NEVER be remotely threatened by criminals or terrorists. Such a society would deal with those who threaten it in short order. But liberals are like the AIDS virus. They weaken a decent society's ability to combat the evils that threaten it. Liberalism is the enabler.

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2008, 01:11:34 AM »
Shalom Saleh,

You are a person of tremendous courage and I admire you. This has been one of the most moving threads I've read on this forum in a long time. Your life has been quite a remarkable journey and you're a living testament that we can all overcome unjustified hate. Welcome to the forum brother!

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2008, 02:12:02 AM »
Welcome to the forum, and may Hashem keep you safe.

Did you know of Yaakov Jaabari, he was a muslim who converted to Judaism and was actually a member of Kach under Rabbi Kahane zt'l
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2008, 03:20:45 AM »
wow that was a very long but very interesting thread i read the whole thing. respect to you for sharing this personal info. you should make speech and record it on audio.  :o ??? :-\ ^-^ O0

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2008, 08:47:21 AM »
Now do you hate muslims?

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2008, 11:01:35 AM »
You validate our point that being anti Islamic is not rascist; A-rabs anf other A-rabised ME can abandon iSSlam and shud do this for their own good too; On the ather hand we have many persons in the west; "liberals", comies, nazim who side with them becouse they're evil too. Welcome on Board! O0

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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »
Shalom Saleh,

You are a person of tremendous courage and I admire you. This has been one of the most moving threads I've read on this forum in a long time. Your life has been quite a remarkable journey and you're a living testament that we can all overcome unjustified hate. Welcome to the forum brother!

Shalom my friend. Thanks a lot for your words. I'm really very happy and excited for me finally taking the step and standing for what I believe in, and even connecting to you guys as right wing jews is really something very new to me. Jewish "Extremisism" is really the hope for the middle east and Israel against the Islamic radicalism which is taking all over the world. I could have connectyed with secular jews if I wanted to, yet I came here as i know where the solution lies. I'm breaking the taboos I've been brought to fear from all my life. The love for Israel brought us together.
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Re: Shalom, from an ex muslim
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2008, 12:25:43 PM »
Welcome to the forum, and may Hashem keep you safe.

Did you know of Yaakov Jaabari, he was a muslim who converted to Judaism and was actually a member of Kach under Rabbi Kahane zt'l

Nope. Nver heard of him. I've looked his name on yahoo didn't find anything. I only know of Avraham Sinai, the ex Hizballah memner who is now ultra orthodox jew, and one other Iranian plane hijacker who converted to judaism too. Are there any more? please tell me about them. I'm really very Very intersted to hear about muslim converts to judaism. That is very inspiring to me.
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