Putin picks a religion

[DALMACIJA]

There are around 21 million Muslims in Russia. So please

21 Muslims in Russia?
That is not true.

[briann]

Putin is a communist!  Born as one, raised as one, and always will be one!  He is the Lenin of today, and we should treat him like we treat Cuba!

Communist? 

Ambiorix,

respect for you inteligence.
You are maybe a Catholic but you did not have lost your sense for reality.

People who think that Putin is a communist are lying or have totally lost the reality.

Every Serb and Russian knows that the Western nations (Vatican) are the creators of this regressive, evil and most undemocratic political system which we know as communism. Socialism or communism has it's roots coming from the West and it was launched by the members of the two most dark international organizations of the whole world at Orthodox soil with the intent to commit the biological extermination against Orthodox civilizations.

To think that a Russian nationalist, who is in the first place an Orthodox Christian, would support an ideology which was created by the enemies of the Orthodox nations
is totally absurd and wrong.

Why is Vladimir Putin an communist according to some Americans here?
Because he was a member of the state's security during USSR? Being a former member of the security of the state, which does not exist today, does not mean that you are automatically a communist.

Communist are just like Bosnian Muslims( Muslim Serbs) and Croats (Catholic Serbs).
A communist has, just like a Croat, accepted an ideology (religion) of his enemies.
The inventors of communist were non Orthodox people so if a Slavic nation accepts communism it is just like if they have accepted Islam or Catholicism which are also ideologies of the enemies of the Orthodox nations.

So do not come with that Russia is a communist state or that Vladimir Putin is a communist. That does not sound realistic anymore and is becoming non sense and a serious insult towards the biggest Orthodox nation of the world, Russia.

Putin isnt a communist.  So far he's done very little to bring Russia back to its Communist self.   BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

[Ambiorix]

Putin is a communist!  Born as one, raised as one, and always will be one!  He is the Lenin of today, and we should treat him like we treat Cuba!

Communist? 

Ambiorix,

respect for you inteligence.
You are maybe a Catholic but you did not have lost your sense for reality.

People who think that Putin is a communist are lying or have totally lost the reality.

Every Serb and Russian knows that the Western nations (Vatican) are the creators of this regressive, evil and most undemocratic political system which we know as communism. Socialism or communism has it's roots coming from the West and it was launched by the members of the two most dark international organizations of the whole world at Orthodox soil with the intent to commit the biological extermination against Orthodox civilizations.

To think that a Russian nationalist, who is in the first place an Orthodox Christian, would support an ideology which was created by the enemies of the Orthodox nations
is totally absurd and wrong.

Why is Vladimir Putin an communist according to some Americans here?
Because he was a member of the state's security during USSR? Being a former member of the security of the state, which does not exist today, does not mean that you are automatically a communist.

Communist are just like Bosnian Muslims( Muslim Serbs) and Croats (Catholic Serbs).
A communist has, just like a Croat, accepted an ideology (religion) of his enemies.
The inventors of communist were non Orthodox people so if a Slavic nation accepts communism it is just like if they have accepted Islam or Catholicism which are also ideologies of the enemies of the Orthodox nations.

So do not come with that Russia is a communist state or that Vladimir Putin is a communist. That does not sound realistic anymore and is becoming non sense and a serious insult towards the biggest Orthodox nation of the world, Russia.

Putin isnt a communist.  So far he's done very little to bring Russia back to its Communist self.   BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

Every viewpoint is correct. It is not an easy black and white situation.
That is what makes it difficult to assess this situation.
Indeed, the West hates the former Soviet-empire and vice versa.
But I rather support a pro-Russian government, rather than a self-hating pro EU-Nato-USA government in Russia.

I know, Putin, is a new Bresnjev. But at the other hand , he is more a Tsar then a Secretary-General.

I believe Chodorkovsky and Yeltsin put the man in place, and that he actually never intended to become president.

I would like to see a better government for us, nationalists, and JTF-ers everywhere.
A hard-line Israeli/USA/Russian/European unity against the third world invaders would be fantastic.
But reality is not so easy.
So what I dislike about Putin, is that he is not radical enough on muzzies. But at the same time I understand much of Russia's policy, is defensive against the USA's ambition to control the Eurasian continent.

It doesn't matter if we label Russia as communist or capitalist.
These are exactly the same thing in the end.
But it is good to have a debate about this, as we are a forum on political issues.

I think the most totalitarian regimes currently are muslim, china, n-korea, and than EU.
The USA has lost its role as superpower, and is on a collision course.
What the USA needs is a radical conservative government, but, as we see now, all the candidates are anti-American.

It will become a third world banana republic in the coming decades.
We should never loose hope, and work together, to fight for our freedom.
Capitalism in the Western World (multinational corporations) are serving the same goals of one-world-government.

I believe every nation should be sovereign. People deserve better than the current neo-communist dictators.

[FULL METAL JACKET]

USA more communist than Russia    O.K.

Putin was a nobody before the apartment bombings which the FSB staged to bring Putin into power. Who knew Putin before these bombings? Nobody. As soon is the bombings occured he had around 20 governors sign a petition to give all powers to Putin. The old Soviet coup worked. And he's still in power to day. The guy put a dummy in power.

Sounds similar to the Muslamic propaganda that the West self bombed the WTC. As soon as the aero-bombings occurred they had the enhanced support for attacks on Muslamic Afghanistan and Iraq. The old Imperial coup worked. And he's still in operations to day. The guy will put a dummy in power. 

With Regards...

That statement shows how little you know of whats going on in Russia. Please get informed before you comment on a such a topic.

The FSB were caught red handed in planting a bomb in an apartment building by residents. When the head of the FSB asked what was going in he said it was just a test exercise. How naive can one be?

Read about it yourself; here's a quick quote:

The bombings ceased when a similar bomb was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on September 23. Later in the evening Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the Ryzanians and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[2] A few hours later, three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted the bomb were caught by the local police. This incident was declared to be a training exercise by the FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

There are around 21 million Muslims in Russia. So please

21 Muslims in Russia?
That is not true.

I should of noted the source; https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html

140 million Russians; Muslims 10-15% percent. It's basic math.

[briann]

Putin is a communist!  Born as one, raised as one, and always will be one!  He is the Lenin of today, and we should treat him like we treat Cuba!

Communist? 

Ambiorix,

respect for you inteligence.
You are maybe a Catholic but you did not have lost your sense for reality.

People who think that Putin is a communist are lying or have totally lost the reality.

Every Serb and Russian knows that the Western nations (Vatican) are the creators of this regressive, evil and most undemocratic political system which we know as communism. Socialism or communism has it's roots coming from the West and it was launched by the members of the two most dark international organizations of the whole world at Orthodox soil with the intent to commit the biological extermination against Orthodox civilizations.

To think that a Russian nationalist, who is in the first place an Orthodox Christian, would support an ideology which was created by the enemies of the Orthodox nations
is totally absurd and wrong.

Why is Vladimir Putin an communist according to some Americans here?
Because he was a member of the state's security during USSR? Being a former member of the security of the state, which does not exist today, does not mean that you are automatically a communist.

Communist are just like Bosnian Muslims( Muslim Serbs) and Croats (Catholic Serbs).
A communist has, just like a Croat, accepted an ideology (religion) of his enemies.
The inventors of communist were non Orthodox people so if a Slavic nation accepts communism it is just like if they have accepted Islam or Catholicism which are also ideologies of the enemies of the Orthodox nations.

So do not come with that Russia is a communist state or that Vladimir Putin is a communist. That does not sound realistic anymore and is becoming non sense and a serious insult towards the biggest Orthodox nation of the world, Russia.

Putin isnt a communist.  So far he's done very little to bring Russia back to its Communist self.   BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

Every viewpoint is correct. It is not an easy black and white situation.
That is what makes it difficult to assess this situation.
Indeed, the West hates the former Soviet-empire and vice versa.
But I rather support a pro-Russian government, rather than a self-hating pro EU-Nato-USA government in Russia.

I know, Putin, is a new Bresnjev. But at the other hand , he is more a Tsar then a Secretary-General.

I believe Chodorkovsky and Yeltsin put the man in place, and that he actually never intended to become president.

I would like to see a better government for us, nationalists, and JTF-ers everywhere.
A hard-line Israeli/USA/Russian/European unity against the third world invaders would be fantastic.
But reality is not so easy.
So what I dislike about Putin, is that he is not radical enough on muzzies. But at the same time I understand much of Russia's policy, is defensive against the USA's ambition to control the Eurasian continent.

It doesn't matter if we label Russia as communist or capitalist.
These are exactly the same thing in the end.
But it is good to have a debate about this, as we are a forum on political issues.

I think the most totalitarian regimes currently are muslim, china, n-korea, and than EU.
The USA has lost its role as superpower, and is on a collision course.
What the USA needs is a radical conservative government, but, as we see now, all the candidates are anti-American.

It will become a third world banana republic in the coming decades.
We should never loose hope, and work together, to fight for our freedom.
Capitalism in the Western World (multinational corporations) are serving the same goals of one-world-government.

I believe every nation should be sovereign. People deserve better than the current neo-communist dictators.

The reason why we are losing the all-powerful superpower status is
a)  The rest of the world's population is exploding.
b)  when we were at our zenith (1950's) much of the world was under the darkness of communism and socialism, and therefore, our GNP was larger than the resto fo the world combined.  Now that the rest of the world has fically emulated us, we can't possibly stay super-powerful.

No amount of utlra-conservatism or nationalism will stop these 2 factors. HOWEVER, nationalism CAN combat our cultural demise.
I think that is what we have to shoot for.

[Ambiorix]

USA more communist than Russia    O.K.

Putin was a nobody before the apartment bombings which the FSB staged to bring Putin into power. Who knew Putin before these bombings? Nobody. As soon is the bombings occured he had around 20 governors sign a petition to give all powers to Putin. The old Soviet coup worked. And he's still in power to day. The guy put a dummy in power.

Sounds similar to the Muslamic propaganda that the West self bombed the WTC. As soon as the aero-bombings occurred they had the enhanced support for attacks on Muslamic Afghanistan and Iraq. The old Imperial coup worked. And he's still in operations to day. The guy will put a dummy in power. 

With Regards...

That statement shows how little you know of whats going on in Russia. Please get informed before you comment on a such a topic.

The FSB were caught red handed in planting a bomb in an apartment building by residents. When the head of the FSB asked what was going in he said it was just a test exercise. How naive can one be?

Read about it yourself; here's a quick quote:

The bombings ceased when a similar bomb was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on September 23. Later in the evening Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the Ryzanians and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[2] A few hours later, three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted the bomb were caught by the local police. This incident was declared to be a training exercise by the FSB director Nikolai Patrushev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

There are around 21 million Muslims in Russia. So please

21 Muslims in Russia?
That is not true.

I should of noted the source; https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html

140 million Russians; Muslims 10-15% percent. It's basic math.

Well let's hope the Russian state starts harassing them.

[DALMACIJA]

BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

The West launched communism on Serbia and Russia with the intend to destroy those two great Orthodox nations.

What do you expect of Russia and Serbia to be pro West?

[briann]

BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

The West launched communism on Serbia and Russia with the intend to destroy those two great Orthodox nations.

What do you expect of Russia and Serbia to be pro West?

Are you studying alternate history again?   How can you possibly revise history to say that the west spread communism there against the will of Russia.

(I can't wait for your answer) 

Brian

[DALMACIJA]

BUT, that doesn't change the fact that he is an West hating despot.

The West launched communism on Serbia and Russia with the intend to destroy those two great Orthodox nations.

What do you expect of Russia and Serbia to be pro West?

Are you studying alternate history again?   How can you possibly revise history to say that the west spread communism there against the will of Russia.

(I can't wait for your answer) 

Brian

It is simple, we Serbs talk often about this how stupid we the Orthodox nations were in the 20 century.

In the beginning of the 20 century Russia started to expand very fast.
Russia under the rule of the Tsar occupied parts of today's Poland, Ukraine and other countries. In that time Russia had a serious chance to become the world power and the dominant factor of Europe. The neighboring/ surrounding nations of Russia, which were the Slavic nations, were inspired by the Russian strength and civilization and under those circumstances the Slavic nations would properly soon unite with Russia and form a strong Eastern block. If that would happen than Western Europe would not be able to realize their imperialistic ambitions towards the East and have the position of the most powerful factor in Europe and the world.

Western Europe, Vatican and the US saw Russia and the expansion of Russia as a serious threat. In contradiction to Russia the West and the US are a little more shrewd and less naive. Russians and Serbs are good but they think that others have also good intentions and the consequence of that is naive behavior.

Russia was to powerful so the West/ US and the Vatican were not able to physically attack and invade Russia. As alternative they planned to attack Russia from inside.

The West started to prepare and organize a civil war in Russia.
To stop the Russian domination and expansion the Vatican needed to, as soon as possible, create an athmosphere in Russia in which the Russians would start to kill each others.

They prepared intelligent and very shrewd men which would gain sympathy among the Russian people. Vladimir - Iljic - Lenin which was a non Orthodox person sent by the West to Russia with the intend to create a civil war in Russia. During Lenin's arrival in Russia (1917) brother wars started to took place among the Russians.
The reds (pro communists) and the whites (monarchist) started to kill each other like dogs.

- During the October revolution in Russia, the communists had killed about 30 million of the Orthodox Russians, and until the collapse of communism in 1989 55-60 million!

- In 1918 the communists under Lenin executed the Tsar and 2000 members of the Tsar's familiy!

The result of this was that Russia started to weak.
In the communist period the Russians were mentally, spiritually and economically totally destroyed and these effect will take place a couple of more centuries long.
If the communist revolution did not took place (succeed) in Russia in 1917 the today's population of Orthodox Russians in Russia would be approximately + 500.000.000 people.

[briann]

Yes, everything you say is true except blaming the west for the bolshevic revolution.  And you can't possibly believe that Russia and Serbia blame the west for the revolt.

The revolution happened as a result of many other factors. in 1917 the country was ripe for revolution.  The people of Russia resented the Tsar Nicholas II and the corrupt and anachronistic government.  (Im not saying the commies were better... but they hated the Tsar..  I know my grandfather's family hated him)

There was widespread inflation and food shortages in Russia and WWI was just the straw that broke the camels back.   Now.. in retrospect.. it would have made sense for the west to keep the Commies from seizing control in 1918 ... but the west had just fought the mother of all wars, and was desperate to keep WWI from re-igniting.

Again..  there is no doubt that the communists (and the nazis) wiped out a HUGE portion of the russian population, and I think its the largest mass murder of a people in the history of the world.  But saying that the Russain people blame the west for it is just not true.

Brian

[DALMACIJA]

  But saying that the Russain people blame the west for it is just not true.

Brian

The Russians and the Serbs are guilty too.
They should stay united and respect their traditions and nobody would be able to create destabilizations in their countries. As soon as people start to believe others than you have a problem inside your nation.

It is easier to block the enter door so that the enemies can not come inside your house and toxic your home than to throw the enemy out of your house and clean the toxic which was spread by the enemy. The Russians and the Serbs should kept the door closed so that the influences from the West could not enter in Serbia and Russia.

I am going to convince you Brain by using facts.

The West launched communism in Serbia and Russia.
They used two dark organizations, the communist international (the red one) and the Vatican international (the dark one/ Masonic associations), to conduct this evil and anti Orthodox plan. Why were the heads of the October revolution non Orthodox?
Why were the heads of the communist movement of Russia/ Serbia non Orthodox and hated Orthodox Christian civilizations?

Do you think that the Serbs and the Russians would agree with an ideology which is against them as the domestic nation and against their religion? Who wants to destroy the Orthodox church? Not the domestic nation of Serbia and Russia!


Facts:

- Communism was invented by Western intellectuals.
- Vladimir - Iljic - Lenin had a Catholic (non Orthodox) background and other communist leaders who launched communism were also not Orthodox and committed genocide against Orthodox civilization in beginning of the twentieth century.
- In Russia the communists killed 130.000 Orthodox clergymen and two Moscow patriarchs, pulled down about 60.000 Orthodox churches, monasteries and other sacral buildings.
- The communists in Russia introduced the collectivization of the Russian village
which resulted in 11.000.000 dying from hunger and in the destruction of the primary sector of Russia.

Who was benefited with the fact that the Russian and Serbian nation were put on the bring of the biological survival?   

I do not think that the Serbs and the Russians wanted that kind of results in their countries. Everybody knows who had the advantage of the consequences of communism on Orthodox soil.

These are historical facts.
The Western nations should take the responsibility for the committed genocide, which started in the 20 century and still is in continue today (Kosovo), against two greatest Orthodox civilization of Serbia and Russia.
The West/USA and the Vatican planned, prepared and organized, in the 20 century,  also the separation of the Serbian state and today this anti Serbian plan is in operation.

It is logic that the Russians and the Serbs do not wish to have anything in common with the West!!But these two great Orthodox nations with a great tradition, culture, religion and civilization still managed to survive!

Thank heaven that we have today a government in chargde in Russia and a man who knows very good what the intention of the Western organizations is towards Russia.

[briann]

- Vladimir - Iljic - Lenin had a Catholic (non Orthodox) background and other communist leaders who launched communism were also not Orthodox and committed genocide against Orthodox civilization in beginning of the twentieth century.

Do you really believe that because Lenin had a catholic background, ergo.. Russians believe that the West is to blame for the Bolshevik revolution?

Brian

[DALMACIJA]

- Vladimir - Iljic - Lenin had a Catholic (non Orthodox) background and other communist leaders who launched communism were also not Orthodox and committed genocide against Orthodox civilization in beginning of the twentieth century.

Do you really believe that because Lenin had a catholic background, ergo.. Russians believe that the West is to blame for the Bolshevik revolution?

Brian

Maybe he was not Catholic maybe he was Mulism or protestant.


He was 100% not Orthodox !!

[DALMACIJA]

.. Russians believe that the West is to blame for the Bolshevik revolution?

Brian

The West launched also communism on Serbian soil.

Tito was half Austrian and was raised up in Vienna.

[briann]

.. Russians believe that the West is to blame for the Bolshevik revolution?

Brian

The West launched also communism on Serbian soil.

Tito was half Austrian and was raised up in Vienna.

OK. so here is my question:   

SINCE Lenin was not an Orthodox and since Tito was half Austrian and raised in Vienna... therefore Russia blames the west for the Bolshevistic revolution, and the creation of communism??

By the way.. you can use this logic on pretty much any movement. 

I can say... Mugabe was raised as a Roman Catholic, studying in a Jesuit schools headed by an Irish priest, therefore we should all blame the catholics and Jesuits for and the Irish for his warfare against whites.

Brian

[syyuge]

I feel we should not discuss the diverse religious influences on Lenin as a child. His ancestors were of various racial and national stock mixed with many religious influences including the orthodox. Ultimately he turned up as a complete materialistic atheist.

Bolsheviks were against all religions. However the Orthodox suffered most against them, because they were the most prominent religion within Russia and also deeply associated with Czar and the general population.

The history of the world would have been entirely different if Lenin, Stalin and Bolsheviks would have been born in Arab Peninsula.

With Regards...