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magic in Judaisim
MarZutra:
To MassuhD, that was a fabulous response. I, specifically, am staying out of this debate/discussion as I know where my weakness lay specifically outside of the purely historical perspective. ;)
Lubab, have you ever read the book "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" written by a well learned Gnostic and 33rd degree Freemason Manley P. Hall?
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-Readers/dp/1585422509/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209603635&sr=8-2
E-book: http://books.google.ca/books?id=FDSab8rWZScC&dq=pdf+%22secret+teachings+of+all+ages%22&pg=PP1&ots=lYgnU119eK&sig=uHoMAxZxbf3vvIW1ykSxlT6B06Q&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=pdf+%22secret+teachings+of+all+ages%22&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail
With your background I feel you will be very interested in this sort of stuff as you will be able to both pick out its molestations and too where they have taken teachings directly from Zohar/kabalah knowledge...
Lubab:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on April 30, 2008, 07:20:50 PM --- I think that most of the things that magic claims to be able to do can be done, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. Something like teleportation which is virtually impossible in our environment has been demonstrated at a molecular level. The odds of a person teleporting? Virtually impossible. As small as it is, there is a mathematical probability for a human being being able to teleport or walk through walls or perform all sorts of impossible things.
One thing that I will note is that the universe is very complex, and there are many forces that we just cannot comprehend. To call them magic is one of two things, deception or the failure to understand what is really going on.
In terms of biblical accounts, I believe that what happened really happened and was not slight of hand. When Moshe placed the staff, it was a real staff that turned into a real snake and turned back into a real staff when he picked it back up. I don't know the explanation, but believe that it is possible that hashem rearranged the molecular particles to perform the transformations.
--- End quote ---
As far as walking through walls there really isn't a very good scientific reason why we shouldn't be able to do that as when we look closely at matter at the atomic level we find that it is almost entirely empty space!
Lubab:
I haven't read that book though I'd love to. I haven't had time to read much of anything.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Lubab on April 30, 2008, 10:08:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on April 30, 2008, 07:20:50 PM --- I think that most of the things that magic claims to be able to do can be done, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. Something like teleportation which is virtually impossible in our environment has been demonstrated at a molecular level. The odds of a person teleporting? Virtually impossible. As small as it is, there is a mathematical probability for a human being being able to teleport or walk through walls or perform all sorts of impossible things.
One thing that I will note is that the universe is very complex, and there are many forces that we just cannot comprehend. To call them magic is one of two things, deception or the failure to understand what is really going on.
In terms of biblical accounts, I believe that what happened really happened and was not slight of hand. When Moshe placed the staff, it was a real staff that turned into a real snake and turned back into a real staff when he picked it back up. I don't know the explanation, but believe that it is possible that hashem rearranged the molecular particles to perform the transformations.
--- End quote ---
As far as walking through walls there really isn't a very good scientific reason why we shouldn't be able to do that as when we look closely at matter at the atomic level we find that it is almost entirely empty space!
--- End quote ---
the force that holds your molecules together might be a problem!
Boeregeneraal:
ehm...the way I understand it is this:
H-shem opened the sea. This was NOT 'magic' but the POWER of our loving Father!
I believe that magic is the devils inferior power, and could be seen in the works of the egyptian priests.
What is the Kabbalah?
anyway, just my view of understanding
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