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GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Lubab on August 12, 2008, 08:13:03 PM ---The three oaths are completely and 100% true for all time. But they do not apply to the Israel situation because Israel did NOT take the land by force, there was no other kingdom there at the time, they merely made a state where there was none and defended themselves when attacked.
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You are correct....Israel has been home to the Jews for over 6 thousand years. Long long before Islam was created by that EVIL MADMAN Mohamed.
The Muslims have no right for even 1 inch of Israel...not 1 inch of land!
Shalom & L' Chaim Yisrael
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: republicandox on August 14, 2008, 01:33:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on August 12, 2008, 08:13:03 PM ---The three oaths are completely and 100% true for all time. But they do not apply to the Israel situation because Israel did NOT take the land by force, there was no other kingdom there at the time, they merely made a state where there was none and defended themselves when attacked.
--- End quote ---
You are correct....Israel has been home to the Jews for over 6 thousand years. Long long before Islam was created by that EVIL MADMAN Mohamed.
The Muslims have no right for even 1 inch of Israel...not 1 inch of land!
Shalom & L' Chaim Yisrael
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I have to agree with your comment, but it seems you are confused about what 'the three oaths' refers to.
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 14, 2008, 01:47:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: republicandox on August 14, 2008, 01:33:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on August 12, 2008, 08:13:03 PM ---The three oaths are completely and 100% true for all time. But they do not apply to the Israel situation because Israel did NOT take the land by force, there was no other kingdom there at the time, they merely made a state where there was none and defended themselves when attacked.
--- End quote ---
You are correct....Israel has been home to the Jews for over 6 thousand years. Long long before Islam was created by that EVIL MADMAN Mohamed.
The Muslims have no right for even 1 inch of Israel...not 1 inch of land!
Shalom & L' Chaim Yisrael
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I have to agree with your comment, but it seems you are confused about what 'the three oaths' refers to.
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You are correct too, I was only in agreement about Israel always being home to the Jews. My post was refering to that only. Thanks for the post reply.
Shalom from Dox
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 14, 2008, 01:19:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on August 12, 2008, 04:14:43 PM ---The Three Oaths were a rhetorical device used by Chazal to try to calm down the rowdy Jews who kept on trying one disastrous revolt after another.
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Please provide source/evidence or at least the rationale for this explanation. This will be helpful to defending your stance, but it is also I think necessary for those without as much knowledge as you on this issue (myself included). This answer seems to presume a lot of unseen information.
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I'll give you an example to demonstrate this. There is a Midrash that says that in the story where Moses killed the egyptian for beating a Hebrew actually Moses used the name of God to kill this egyptian. Zapping him, as it were, with magical killing power.
Now, you can take the infantile position that Moses actually did zap him with magical powers....................
OR you can realize what a Rabbi might say in order to calm down a Jew who reads the Torah seeing that Moses killed the Egyptian oppressor, I will go out tommorow morning and kill a few Roman soldiers.
But if you tell this person that in happened in some magical fashion and therefore such things can only be done in a magical fashion so don't go out and kill Romans, got it?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on August 14, 2008, 05:40:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 14, 2008, 01:19:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on August 12, 2008, 04:14:43 PM ---The Three Oaths were a rhetorical device used by Chazal to try to calm down the rowdy Jews who kept on trying one disastrous revolt after another.
--- End quote ---
Please provide source/evidence or at least the rationale for this explanation. This will be helpful to defending your stance, but it is also I think necessary for those without as much knowledge as you on this issue (myself included). This answer seems to presume a lot of unseen information.
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I'll give you an example to demonstrate this. There is a Midrash that says that in the story where Moses killed the egyptian for beating a Hebrew actually Moses used the name of G-d to kill this egyptian. Zapping him, as it were, with magical killing power.
Now, you can take the infantile position that Moses actually did zap him with magical powers....................
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I have a third option. You buckle up and try to understand what it really means that he killed him "with G-d's name". Nah forget it, it's too much work...let's just reject the statement altogether and say it's just for children.
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