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muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 15, 2008, 09:22:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2008, 09:08:30 PM ---q_q_,
You appear to make less and less sense the more I read your posts. What is it you are arguing about?
I have looked at the Rabin conspiracy things. There may be some questions there but just because of this doesnt mean that everything that Chamish says is true. You seem to be ensnared in this feeling that anyone who doesnt believe Chamish, or thinks he is a nut case {which I do}, is personally against you. This is getting a little bit paranoid, don't you think?
You keep bringing up the Rabin murder issue. So what? There is no proof of anything even in that conspiracy. So many people have differing reasons for this. I just know that there are some questions about the official video {which I watched multiple times} and even those questions can be answered rationally. I will leave it open for others to investigate but still believe that for the most part Chamish is far gone.
Are you personally in some kind of relationship with Chamish? Maybe you really are Chamish? I have never seen someone defend someone so nutty as Chamish as you do. Please answer me this...
muman613
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You know nothing, and you admit it, and that you have no interest in knowing anything about it.
I gave you enough chances to state facts.
You have no logic either. And everything you guess at is always wrong. And you only guess.
So I quoted Shlomo, not you.
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q_q_,
Please reconsider your tone with me...
I have edited this message in the hopes of allowing us to improve our relations. I do not seek any machlokes with you. I simply am looking for some rational discussion with you without making the whole thing personal.
muman613
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2008, 09:28:06 PM ---q_q_,
Please reconsider your tone with me...
I have edited this message in the hopes of allowing us to improve our relations. I do not seek any machlokes with you. I simply am looking for some rational discussion with you without making the whole thing personal.
muman613
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I am not interested in any more discussion with you on this issue of Chamish.
I will write why, so that it is known why.
I've already given you enough chances, and i've gotten out of it all that can be gotten out of it.
I am not repeating the same circus act with you in any more threads.
What I have already succeeded in doing with you, is that any time you call chamish names, or dismiss him as you do, then anybody wanting to know what you think about Chamish, when it was challenged, can view PAST POSTS that you have written (minus the thread you moved) ,and they can see my responses and they will see your "position" on it, and how well it holds up.
I would have preferred it if you were better, if you dealt with facts, but you never did, and people can see that next time you call chamish names and dismiss everything he says, or you dismiss everything he has brought to public attention.
muman613:
q_q_,
Honestly I have looked at the facts and I dont believe what he says.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt on the case of the Rabin assasination which there seems to be room to question the official story. I only do this with extreme caution because I do not believe that the story which Chamish claims is the true conspiracy. I dont just arbitrarily say things without thinking them out beforehand. I am very good at backing up my points with quotes and facts. Your portrayal of me is without cause except for your own anger towards me for discounting your friend Chamish.
I am just very disappointed that you now consider me an opponent against which you must constantly bicker with. In another thread you jumped on me for not attributing a post properly. Then I noticed that two other posters did the same thing I did yet you did not complain to them about it. It must be that you take special care to rebuke me when you see me make a mistake. In truth I think this is very special and appreciate your interest. I believe you truly are trying to help me and as a result I try to see you in a better light.
I am open to new ideas and have changed my positions on some issues. I am not simply discounting you and your ideas without much thought. Your method needs some refinement yet you are a force for good.
muman613
q_q_:
Muman, I am not interested in "changing your position", because it doesn't change based on facts anyway. It just changes based on other things.
I am not interested in countering every one of your "guesses" either.
You say Chamish is my friend. But I am not more friendly with Chamish than I am with you. So try to think that through, since you suggest that you like thinking. It is purely to counter your sentence. And before you start thinking that i'm your friend, i'll point out that I'm quite distant from you.
I am not playing psychiatrist with you trying to change your perception of me. I don't care if your instincts are to see me as the "devil" himself but for religious reasons you are trying to see me in a good light.
I am not singling you out for rebuke. You should have seen that I criticise lots of people over various issues. Sometimes I miss a few opportunities, and sometimes I just give up if I see there is no hope for them in that area. I am not obligated to correct everybody, and I didn't actually see the 2 articles you refer to where you claim that others made the same mistake as you.
Shlomo:
Shalom q_q_,
Look, if you believe what he says, then I think no less of you for it. All that really matters is that you're a good yid who loves Hashem and does what he can to make the world better. Everyone has their own opinions and some people here believe the stuff he says. Chaim and I do not agree with Barry and think that he's reaching at straws. To me, it's comparable to the videos on YouTube that say our own government executed 911. Some folks believe in these type of things (some very smart people) and feel like there is enough to substantiate it but I've heard both sides and I don't. Chaim has written some on this subject too and a very small minority of members were banned for too much conspiracy material on the forum.
But I do not want to just argue with you for the sake of arguing and I really don't want to be disrespectful to you and some of the other members I care about so deeply. I had 3 of his books and I understand what your point of view is. I'd rather leave it at that with this topic rather than spend a couple of hours combing through Chamish's material when I need to be working on the new website. I think you know how I feel about the subject I hope you understand I mean nothing towards you personally. I think you are a wonderful member of the forum.
I simply believe it's important to state JTF's position on the material because we wish to distance ourselves from it. That's all.
-Shlomo
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