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Which Siddur is your favorite?
judeanoncapta:
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--- Quote from: דוד בן זאב אריה on November 24, 2008, 01:10:44 AM ---I am Ashkanazi but I speak a Sefardic Hebrew
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I doubt it.
You probably speak ashkefardic, like anybody else whose hebrew has been hijacked by the secular state of israel.
Do you distinguish between aleph and ayin?
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Ok, but many Sefaradim pronounced it that way before the state was founded also. Not all Sefaradim had the correct formulation.
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Actually that is not necessarily true. I know morrocans who tell me that in Morroco and when they first arrived in Israel, they were not only pronouncing an Ayin and Heth, they were also pronouncing a Teth a Ssadi and a Qof.
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Really? So they just adopted the Israeli way? The Teymanim have kept their own pronunciation no?
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They apparently had a stronger sense of identity than other Mizrachi Jews.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Interesting.
muman613:
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--- Quote from: muman613 on November 24, 2008, 11:55:32 AM ---I have heard that it is minhag to daven in the nusach of your father.
muman613
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Incorrect.
The only minhagh with halachic force is one that is
A) A practice that is done by all of the Jews in the city where you live and....
B) One that has something to do with Issur and Heter. ie. Not eating meat slaughtered in a certain way or not doing something on Shabbath that may or may not lead to desecration of Shabbath
Therefore one is not required to pray whatever nusach his father prayed because all Jews in his city do not pray the same nusach and because it has nothing to do with Issur and Heter. No nusach is more Assur or Mutar than the other.
Thank you.
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Shalom Judeanoncapita,
Then I am confused. When I joined my Orthodox minyan, which is majority Ashkenaz, I was asked which nusach my family davened. I was brought up in Ashkenazi nusach so when I started observing I picked up the Ashkenaz siddur. I am not sure what your previous message advises regarding which nusach to daven with.
Are you saying that if the majority of the community you are in currently davens with one nusach you should also daven with that nusach?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
It appears that he is saying it is your personal choice as to which nusach you daven, if there is not a universal practice to use one in particular in your particular city wherever you live.
muman613:
Hello,
I just came across the Ask the Rabbi section of Yeshiva.org @ http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/ and this very question about nusach came up... Here are three of the relevant answers:
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/?cat=297
Question:
I am Halachically considered Sefardic because my father is Sefardic (although my mother is not). I grew up in Ashkenazic schools and always davened Ashkenazic. Yet for Rosh Hashana (and sometimes Yom Kippur) my family goes away to a Sefardic shul and I daven in the Sefardic nussach. Is this proper to switch back and forth?
Answer:
It is very important that one should say prayers one is used to. Therefore, switching Nusach is not advisable. You should try to daven regularly with your Nusach, unless the davening is completely different in which case you can switch.
Rabbi Yitzchak Grinblat
Question:
I have always prayed nossach ’sfard’ but I have been living in London for 4 years now and in most of the places they pray nossach ’askenaz’ for now I plan to stay here. I am reluctant to switch to nossach ’askenaz’ as tradition is important to me on the other hand it does not make sense to pray in the different nossach than everybody. Should I switch? Thanks
Answer:
It is of great importance you keep your Nussach. The Jewish nation has survived generations by keeping family traditions. Therefore, when praying you should use your Nussach, unless you are a Chazzan or answering communal prayers such as Kedusha or Tahcanun.
Rabbi Yosef Weitzen
Question:
Before I became observant I davened in a non orthodox shul and davened Nusach Ashkenaz. For the past few years I have been going to a Chabad shul and have davened Nusach Ari. I now realize that Chabad is not for me. Can I switch back to Nusach Ashkenaz with or without a Hatarat Nedarim?
Answer:
The answer is complicated. As a rule, if by your father's or grandfather's the Nusach was Ashkenaz while davening, there is no doubt you can daven Nusach Ashkeanz.
If they used to daven Sfarad (Chassidic), it is better you continue davening in that Nusach. In any case if you daven in a shul that is Nusach Ashkenaz, you may continue davening Ashkenaz.
If your shul is Sfarad, and your family custom is Sfarad, and you want to switch to Ashkenaz, you should do Hatarat Nedarim.
Rabbi Eliezer Melamed
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