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Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah
muman613:
This 'on-going' debate is not going anywhere. It seems we must be content with saying that some rabbis accept Kabbalah as a part of Judaism while other reject it. I am of the opinion that most rabbis do believe that there is Sod {Hidden} meaning in Torah. Kabbalah has been a part of Judaism since the days of Abraham and I accept it as part of my emmunah in Hashem.
There will be no proof of Kabbalah just as nobody will be able to prove that Hashem exists. This is part of the Olam {Hiddenness} which is manifest in all of creation.
I think squabbling about it is simply childish.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 19, 2009, 03:51:30 PM ---This 'on-going' debate is not going anywhere. <snip>
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on-going debate with -you- doesn't get anywhere with you.
But kahaneBT is an intelligent person.. and when he speaks it isn't squabbling.
KahaneBT is clearly winning the argument and making good points.
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 19, 2009, 11:55:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 19, 2009, 03:51:30 PM ---This 'on-going' debate is not going anywhere. <snip>
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on-going debate with -you- doesn't get anywhere with you.
But kahaneBT is an intelligent person.. and when he speaks it isn't squabbling.
KahaneBT is clearly winning the argument and making good points.
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Really... You are about to show us that Kabbalah is not accepted in Judaism. I have not seen any proof of this. I see someone trying to argue minutia about the initial post. I dont know if the Rabbis who reject Kabbalah are secretly Kabbalists but who is going to prove one way or the other?
What do you suppose is this 'truth' that KWRBT spoke? Is it Lashon Hara to suspect that Rabbis may be secretly Kabbalists? I think not. It is known that many Rabbis taught Kabbalah only to their closest students while not revealing it to the general public. I have read the history of Kabbalah according to Rabbi Bar Tzaddok and there have been many Rabbis who would not reveal to the public their belief in Kabbalistic secrets of Torah.
I dont see the point of arguing about this. It may be possible that what SP said is true. It is up to your belief.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 20, 2009, 01:49:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 19, 2009, 11:55:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 19, 2009, 03:51:30 PM ---This 'on-going' debate is not going anywhere. <snip>
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on-going debate with -you- doesn't get anywhere with you.
But kahaneBT is an intelligent person.. and when he speaks it isn't squabbling.
KahaneBT is clearly winning the argument and making good points.
--- End quote ---
Really... You are about to show us that Kabbalah is not accepted in Judaism.
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no i'm not
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 20, 2009, 01:49:10 AM ---I have not seen any proof of this. I see someone trying to argue minutia about the initial post. I dont know if the Rabbis who reject Kabbalah are secretly Kabbalists but who is going to prove one way or the other?
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not you that's for sure.
but it's obvious that you should judge a rabbi based on what he has said..
and if you want to ascribe some other belief.. you need some evidence..
not just maybe.
Or you can ascribe alot of things.
and it's completely implausible to even consider that any rabbi writing against some post talmudic kabbalah, is a closet kabbalist. And chances of one being one are minimal.. Infact, I would like to see one example of one that is?
A rabbi that wrote against kabbalah and is a secret kabbalist.
The RAMBAM came from the same school of thought as the Saadya Gaon.. he feld fast to the Gaonim.. There is no concept of reincarnation. The Saadya Gaon wrote against it.. Yet it's in the Zohar.
Now, if there is some evidence - however weak - that the RAMBAM was a secret kabbalist.. I wouldn't throw it in here!! Not with you or mr panther.
I would have the discussion with KahaneBT, judea, e.t.c. even Tzvi!
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muman613:
q_q_,
I could care less that you have your 'good-buddies' who you want to prove something to. I can care less whether you believe or you don't believe in Kabbalah, and I can care less what you think about RAMBAM. You will still prove nothing but that q_q_ cares only about his ego and enjoys disparaging a fellow Jew. This speaks clearly about your character traits and you obviously need some tikkun and teshuva.
It is not my duty to correct your sick character traits. You pretty much meet my expectations as a rude, crude, and un-friendly loner.
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