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Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 22, 2009, 03:33:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 22, 2009, 02:55:41 PM ---
This name calling between Litaim and Hasidim should stop right now before we become like the sunni and shia!!! I do not look down on Litaim for rejecting mysticism, some of the best Yehudim in the Holy Land are Litaim. We both have our own way of fallowing Torah so what? We should agree to disagree!!!
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What are "Litaim" ? What are you talking about?
I haven't engaged in any namecalling. It appears you refuse to face the arguments against your wild theories that you are posting here.
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I think he means lithuanians (the Haredi, non-Hassidim). The truth is that he got this wrong because many (almost all) Lithuanian Haredim accept Kabbalah.
(Anyway i am out of this discussion beause proof for me isn't- my community accepted or rejected this or that, it's more on solid proof, soo I am not jumping to any conclusions- recently I saw the ant- Kabbalah/Zohar side, and I asked for the pro and proof- soo I emailed Rav Mizrachi Shlita and his thing was in Hebrew, and he also sent it to Judea- Soo once again, time and evidence will tell).
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 22, 2009, 02:55:41 PM ---G-d bless you republicandox. I highly revere all Orthodox Rabbis and their offspring. Moroccan Yehudi women are very very intelligent like Dihya Al-Kahina who was famous for her use of practical Kabbalah. You should never be intimidated by anyone!!!
Tread carefully q_q_! “bolshevik” is a very bad name to call any religious Jew especially the grand daughter of a Rabbi!
Regardless of what anyone says practical Kabbalah oviously works! If it did not there would not be such a strong prohibition against practicing it!!!
You may argue that “if it worked why did’nt the Jews use it to destroy their oppressors?” Perhaps it was Kabbalah Masit which enabled the Jews to survive for so long among people who hated them so much. Anyway if Hashem wanted to punish us the biggist Kabbalist in the world would not have been able to save us!
This name calling between Litaim and Hasidim should stop right now before we become like the sunni and shia!!! I do not look down on Litaim for rejecting mysticism, some of the best Yehudim in the Holy Land are Litaim. We both have our own way of fallowing Torah so what? We should agree to disagree!!!
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Thank you. I am Sephardic ( spanish ) and English from my Fathers side. My Mom and the rest of her siblings came to America in the mid 1950's, from Morocco.
My fathers family has been here for over 200 years. I have many second cousins living in Israel and France.
soon I will post a picture of my Grandfather, Rabbi Yamin Bouganim as soon as my husband uploads the picture for me on my computer.
Shalom - Dox
P.S. G-d bless you too
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 22, 2009, 02:55:41 PM ---<snip>
Tread carefully q_q_! “bolshevik” is a very bad name to call any religious Jew especially the grand daughter of a Rabbi!
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she called me a liberal, which was obviously a joke, and I didn't take offence to it. And I replied in the same manner, calling her a bolshevik, also a joke since there is no reason to say so. Obviously one could take offence to either of them.. but jews are meant to be intelligent. And most jews don't take offence as easily as that. Only the anti-semites claim we do - after they deny the holocaust or other ones compare jews to nazis!
Infact, the whole thing of calling people bolshevik here is ridiculous. nobody does it in real life anyway. People would give you a blank stare or repeat "bolshevik?!!!!!!". It's not like calling somebody a nazi. Anyhow, the context in which I said bolshevik, made it obvious to anybody with intelligence, that it was a joke. My opinion of people is not so low, that I *assume* they wouldn't see that.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 22, 2009, 03:46:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 22, 2009, 03:33:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 22, 2009, 02:55:41 PM ---
This name calling between Litaim and Hasidim should stop right now before we become like the sunni and shia!!! I do not look down on Litaim for rejecting mysticism, some of the best Yehudim in the Holy Land are Litaim. We both have our own way of fallowing Torah so what? We should agree to disagree!!!
--- End quote ---
What are "Litaim" ? What are you talking about?
I haven't engaged in any namecalling. It appears you refuse to face the arguments against your wild theories that you are posting here.
--- End quote ---
I think he means lithuanians (the Haredi, non-Hassidim). The truth is that he got this wrong because many (almost all) Lithuanian Haredim accept Kabbalah.
(Anyway i am out of this discussion beause proof for me isn't- my community accepted or rejected this or that, it's more on solid proof, soo I am not jumping to any conclusions- recently I saw the ant- Kabbalah/Zohar side, and I asked for the pro and proof- soo I emailed Rav Mizrachi Shlita and his thing was in Hebrew, and he also sent it to Judea- Soo once again, time and evidence will tell).
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there is some evidence about the RAMBAM on the pro side.. i haven't posted it here yet. (so far on this forum the side saying he was a kabbalist have provided none)
I don't think it's possible to have much of an intelligent discussion here. No doubt that's why even you are out of the discussion.
muman613:
q_q_,
Are you thinking about Rambams 13th principle of faith which establishes Techias HaMasim {Ressurection of the Dead} as an undeniable tenet of Jewish belief?
http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/Maimonides_13th_PrincipleThe_Resurrection_of_the_Dead.asp
http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/rabbis/rambam.htm
http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/2023
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/281644/jewish/The-Resurrection-of-the-Dead.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/623710/jewish/Resurrection-of-the-Dead.htm
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