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Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 26, 2009, 07:23:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 22, 2009, 11:12:48 PM ---q_q_,
Are you thinking about Rambams 13th principle of faith which establishes Techias HaMasim {Ressurection of the Dead} as an undeniable tenet of Jewish belief?
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What's that got to do with kabbalah? It's not some mystical warlord with a fancy hat that will do that, but Hashem Himself will resurrect the dead. Yes, this is a principle of our faith.
Next....
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Indeed. I will send you a thing in PM.. because the torah section here has just become a ridiculous mess.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 26, 2009, 08:43:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 26, 2009, 07:23:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 22, 2009, 11:12:48 PM ---q_q_,
Are you thinking about Rambams 13th principle of faith which establishes Techias HaMasim {Ressurection of the Dead} as an undeniable tenet of Jewish belief?
--- End quote ---
What's that got to do with kabbalah? It's not some mystical warlord with a fancy hat that will do that, but Hashem Himself will resurrect the dead. Yes, this is a principle of our faith.
Next....
--- End quote ---
Indeed. I will send you a thing in PM.. because the torah section here has just become a ridiculous mess.
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Im taking a class on Rambam (today was the first day), the professor (is Israeli and has a Kippa on) said that in Yemen and Bavel their were big debate over his (Rambam's) beliefs, expecially over the ressurection of the dead.
I then said- but isn't it one of the 13 principles of the Rambam, and he said yes, but it's not soo simple (or something like that) and to read it inside.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 26, 2009, 06:05:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 26, 2009, 08:43:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 26, 2009, 07:23:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 22, 2009, 11:12:48 PM ---q_q_,
Are you thinking about Rambams 13th principle of faith which establishes Techias HaMasim {Ressurection of the Dead} as an undeniable tenet of Jewish belief?
--- End quote ---
What's that got to do with kabbalah? It's not some mystical warlord with a fancy hat that will do that, but Hashem Himself will resurrect the dead. Yes, this is a principle of our faith.
Next....
--- End quote ---
Indeed. I will send you a thing in PM.. because the torah section here has just become a ridiculous mess.
--- End quote ---
Im taking a class on Rambam (today was the first day), the professor (is Israeli and has a Kippa on) said that in Yemen and Bavel their were big debate over his (Rambam's) beliefs, expecially over the ressurection of the dead.
I then said- but isn't it one of the 13 principles of the Rambam, and he said yes, but it's not soo simple (or something like that) and to read it inside.
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There is a discussion there, but it's nothing to do with kabbalah..
As KahaneBT said, Hashem will do it.
But the issue I think they are getting at is, the RAMBAM said something like not to expect a miraculous messianic era.
I would say that perhaps the RAMBAM, when he speaks of a resurrection of the dead, means that it will appear naturally.. e.g. souls of the dead will return. Not literally dry bones rising up, i.e. the books of prophets were just being poetic.. but describing something that would happen. (just my speculation, I haven't seen everything he has written so it may well be wrong)
There's a similar thing with all disease ending.. That's a miracle right?
Well, how can it happen naturally.
Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan writes in handbook of jewish thought, (get those 2 volumes, or just vol 1)
that this can happen naturally.. by a medical or technological breakthrough.
Remember that medically, death occurs from organ failure (perhaps only organ failure.. but failure of the body).
Sefardic Panther:
republicandox did your Grandfather do practical Kabbalah? Could he make amulets, heal the sick or do exorcisms?
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 28, 2009, 11:03:08 AM ---republicandox did your Grandfather do practical Kabbalah? Could he make amulets, heal the sick or do exorcisms?
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My Grandfather died before I was born. I do not know all the details except for what my Mom told me about her Father.
She told me ( quote ) your Grandfather was an expert in kabbalah....she also told me that her Father told her it was dangerous.
This is as much as I know.
Shalom - Dox
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