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Both those articles are useful. I had seen the second one. You are the type of thoughtful person that I am looking for. What I am trying to do is organize a kind of study group, so that we can get people actively involved and develop some kind of consensus about Obama. The press might normally do this, but in this case they have totally failed us. We need to get some bright people together to understand what this is about so that we can take an effective position against it, not just indulge in name calling (Muslim, Communist, Marxist, etc.) and ineffective, ridiculous charges about his birthplace. I am not an ethnic or religious Jew, but I am concerned that so much anitsemitism still exists. I fear Israel may not survive the next years if we do not get together. The US is also going to be severely damaged and maybe crippled and changed forever. Request all that are interested to come and join my group. It will be moderated, so that we can focus more on the real issues, which I believe has more to do with Obama's anti-white, anti-semetic, anti-US cult of hate that they call a "church" than where he was born.
I believe he believes in some kind of Supreme Being, but it may be the Supreme Being that the Freemasons at the upper degrees are said to believe in. NOI believes the black race is divine and TUCC may have a similar belief. Obama's church is a "christian" derivative of the Nation of Islam. I think that it really is a kind of secret society in that it has an agenda that they are not completely open about. NOI evolved from a group of Freemasons, Shriners and adventist Hashem's (name changed by this kosher software) Witnesses, strange as that may sound. Here is an anonymous blurb on Freemasony and the NOI. I can't vouch for it, but from what I have read in published books elsewhere it seems to be fairly accurate.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/2zni5i7zt3.pdf
NOI is a black cult with thousands of it's own paramilitary stormtroopers across the Nation and it is not Islamic. Obama's church, which is closely allied with NOI, is similarly not Christian. Christianity does not teach a doctrine of extreme political and racial hatred. It is a cult masquerading as a church, just as NOI is a hate-cult masquerading as Islamic. That is why they don't require any particular faith for you to join. (I can believe that they have a lot of "Black Muslim" members.) That is probably also why the media has been ignoring this issue. TUCC is just a political and hate organization, not a real Christian church at all and the media did not have the courage to expose them. Members of the allied NOI have killed at least dozens and probably hundreds of opponents, critics and whites in random race killings over the years.
It is taboo in the US to criticize a "church," but this is not a normal political debate. Let's start now, before it is too late.
I actually don't have that much to say on obama..
Cyberella used to post tons of articles on obama
Rubystars posted quite a few I think..
Here are my thoughts on Obama..
a paste from 2 posts i've made, which is largely all i've thought about him.. nothing significant..
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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,27404.msg306887.html#msg306887My theory about obama is a bit different from JTFs. I don't think he is a muslim. He is a smooth talker, that's almost never a muslim trait, muslims tend to talk in black and white terms. And they pray 5 times a day if they are really serious!! I can't believe that he does that.
He is an intelligent man, we saw that in his interview with O'Reilly.
He was a law professor!
I don't think that he listened to that pastor of his and thought "wow, this guy is really intelligent". He respected certain aspects of him, and he feels kinship with the people there. So much kinship that he accepted the vile things the pastor said.
I think Obama is an eclectic individual. And he wants to stay in touch with his roots. He is well aware of his success relative to the people he was brought up with. And he wants to stay grounded. So he went to that "church".
There is no way he believes in the quran, the bible, or even G-d. But like a true liberal, he'd say that certain parts strike a chord with him.
His eclectic behaviour though has been limited to communism and black radicalism and (because of childhood upbringing - islam).
His associations have all been along those lines. And hat is worrying.
I don't think he is a muslim, but he certainly has strong sympathies with them, given his upbringing, and his liberalism, and black links.. His black "church" bookstore had lots of books on islam. These all influenced him, but I think -inside- he keeps his distance from firm ideologies. He observes things as an outsider.. And that's another very annoying aspect of liberals. Their universalism means that they don't see themselves as american citizens except in a technical sense, but as citizens of the world. Out of self hatred they don't understand how great america is. They are not proud to be american.
He is at least very sympathetic and comfortable with that anti-american feeling - look at who he married.
You really can't look at Obama, and think he is going to be a sheep following that pastor. He is an intellectual. His rhetoric was to win people over, particularly blacks and guilty whites. He knew it was just rhetoric. He was able to converse with O'Reilly.
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I guarantee that since he went to that "church", he could comfortably talk about "his christian faith" too. And i'm sure he'd think he means it(in his way, he does).
Liberals do that. Lots of liberal jews talk about "their jewish faith".
It does mean that he identifies with certain themes he sees in islam.. His "church" bookstore had lots of islammic books.
Regarding his name. There is an issue there. It wouldn't be such a big deal if he just had the name he was given by birth. But it is significant that as a kid, other kids knew him as Barry, but he decided to this day, to be called Barack instead of Barry. It is a name from arab/islammic culture. It does show sympathies and identification.
[I also wrote in another post regarding his name..
with barack becoming a popular name, it's very very dangerous.
regular blacks , even whites, growing up with that name will identify with muslims even more than barack does!]
Generally speaking, somebody in america, and his name is barack, you'd think he was a muslim. But if you look at the whole picture, it is not the case. Not many muslims would go to a church. Even a "church". And he didn't do it out of core religious beliefs. Now he has left it he doesn't attend anywhere.
Somebody as intelligent as him , If he believed his religion properly, he wouldn't have chosen a house of worship where the pastor was just a political hound. He would be reading the core text of the religion and studying it. Infact, if he was serious he wouldn't go near that place!
It's not just that he is not practicing, he doesn't have the core beliefs..
an atheist, daniel dennet, said something interesting,
There's belief in G-d, and there's
believing in belief in G-d.
I realised that alot of liberals , most even, have the latter but not the former. Obama is one of them. I'm sure he likes the idea of lifting people up(listen to him speak!), and he knows that religion can do that. I'm sure the relationship between the pastor and the congregation interested him, as well as sympathy with what the pastor stood for. I bet alot of US senators are like that.. They don't believe in G-d, but they believe in believing in G-d.
Rabbi Jacob Schochet pointed out in a debate, that it's well known that if you believe in something, (be it yourself, or somebody that believes in you, or anything), then it can "fix you up". So Obama saw that believing in G-d lifts people up.. so he believes in that. Most liberals are like that.. They just wouldn't admit that they don't believe in G-d.
note- I don't expect people to look into him, but a warning about daniel dennett , when he talks to the public he appears very fair.. very honest, very unbias. I saw a clip of him talking at a conference of atheists. There he really "came out" , he said he's a member of a group called "the smarts", the name is no coincidence, they're smart and religious people are dumb , e.t.c.
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I must add something quite important though..
There is evidence that George Galloway is a muslim. (see youtube)
So, it is possible.. Even a liberal that goes to a place of worship and believes in mohammed.. is a muslim, just non practicing..
If a muslim leaves his religion, the punishment is death.
This is why "non-practicing muslims" are so common..
Since the evidence regarding George Galloway.. I wouldn't completely rule out Barack obama from being a muslim! But I don't think there's much evidence to make the case for Obama being a muslim, apart from upbringing.
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