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Re: What REALLY Motivates Obama: Islam or NWO?
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2009, 08:41:11 PM »
Therefore we view radical Islam, and ALL their left wing supporters as the main threat to the West. 

"Radical" Islam? I know you're not trying to imply that there is a "moderate" Islam, but I hate when people use that term. It's fundamentalist Islam that's the problem.

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Re: What REALLY Motivates Obama: Islam or NWO?
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2009, 09:29:42 PM »
Therefore we view radical Islam, and ALL their left wing supporters as the main threat to the West. 

"Radical" Islam? I know you're not trying to imply that there is a "moderate" Islam, but I hate when people use that term. It's fundamentalist Islam that's the problem.

You're right.  My bad.

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Re: What REALLY Motivates Obama: Islam or NWO?
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2009, 11:54:34 PM »
Here is my 'religious' answer to mdub. Since I believe with perfect faith in our Torah I also believe our sages and the Rabbis of our Holy Talmud. The wisdom of the Jewish people cannot be compared since some of the greatest of geniuses have written commentaries and investigated the depths of meaning of the words. Anyone familiar with the bible is familiar with the story of the Tower of Babel. In this story a people who believed they could unite the entire world and that technology will yield the answers to all the problems were taught a valuable lesson.

I find the following article very enlightening in the deeper meaning of this story. Remember that every evil plot which is against the nature of man will fail because the nature of man is in the image of the L-rd. And the even deeper meaning to me, whose brother perished in the second tallest building in America, is that when we reach for heaven we will get smacked back down because we have become arrogant. The L-rd promised us in the Torah that we can be like angels if we follow Torah, but we will lose everything when we think we are on top of the world.

Anyone involved in a conspiracy to take over the world will suffer the same fate as those who have tried before. I have faith that anyone who plots against the will of our Holy Father will not succeed. We just celebrated the Purim holiday where the evil character HAMAN {PFFFFFFFTTTHHH} plotted to destroy all Jews in the world. He was given permission to eradicate the Jews... In the end Haman was hanged on the very gallows he erected to hang the hero Mordechi {Bless him}.



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Noach 5768 - Babel: A Story of Heaven and Earth

Set between the pre-history of humanity as a whole and the particular covenant with Abraham, the story of the Tower of Babel is one of the turning points of the biblical narrative, central to its vision of what can go wrong in civilizations and societies.

The story itself - told in a mere nine verses - is a compact masterpiece of literary and philosophical virtuosity. The first thing to note is that its historical background is exceptionally precise. The tower or ziggurat was the great symbol of the ancient Mesopotamian city states of the lower Tigris-Euphrates valley, the cradle of civilization. It was here that human beings first settled, established agriculture, and built cities. As the Torah makes clear with unusual attention to what seems like a peripheral fact, one of the great discoveries of Mesopotamia (along with the wheel, the arch and the calendar) was the ability to manufacture building materials, especially bricks made by pouring clay into moulds, drying it in the sun, and eventually firing it in kilns. This made possible the construction of buildings on a larger scale and reaching greater heights than hitherto. From this came the ziggurat, a stepped building of many stories, which came to have a profound religious significance.

Essentially these towers - of which the remains of at least thirty have been discovered - were man-made "holy mountains," the mountain being the place where heaven and earth most visibly met. Inscriptions on several of these buildings, decoded by archeologists, refer, as does the Torah, to the idea that their top "reaches heaven." The largest - the great ziggurat of Babylon to which the Torah refers - was a structure of seven stories, 300 feet high, on a base of roughly the same dimensions (further details can be found in Nahum Sarna, Understanding Genesis).

Not only is the story of Babel historically precise. It is also shot through with literary devices: inversions, word plays, ironies and puns. One of the most masterly is that the two key words, l-v-n, "brick," and n-v-l, "confuse," are precise inversions of one another. As so often in the Torah, literary technique is closely related to the moral or spiritual message the Torah wishes to convey. In this case it is the phenomenon of inversion itself. The results of human behaviour are often the opposite of what was intended. The builders wanted to concentrate humanity in one place ("Let us build a city . . . and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth"). The result was that they were dispersed ("from there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth"). They wanted to "make a name" for themselves, and they did, but the name they made - Babel - became an eternal symbol of confusion.

Their pride lay in their newfound technological ability to construct buildings of unprecedented grandeur. They did not realise (the message signalled in the opening verses of the Torah) that the greatest creative power is language ("And G-d said . . . and there was"). It was not a technical problem that caused them to abandon the project but the loss of the ability to communicate. What is holy for the Torah is not power but the use to which we put it, and this is intrinsically linked to language - the medium in which we frame our ideals, construct imaginative possibilities, and call others to join us in realising them. The word is prior to the work.

WHAT, though, was the builder's sin? The narrative signals this, again, by a series of verbal cues. The first is the phrase with which the episode both begins and ends, kol ha-aretz, "the whole earth." It begins, "And the whole earth was of one language," and ends, "from there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth." (The phrase kol ha-aretz appears five times in the nine verses: all three-, five- and especially seven-fold repetitions in a biblical passage signal the presence of a key theme). A framing device of this kind is highly significant.

The second is the phoneme (a basic unit of sound) sh-m, either as sham, "there," or shem, "name." This appears seven times in the passage. It is clearly linked to the word shamayim, "heaven" - the place the builders attempted to reach in building the tower. The thematic elements of the narrative are thus clear. This is a story about heaven and earth - but in what way? To understand the point at issue we must return to the opening chapter of Bereishith and its description of creation.

Two words in that account are decisive. The first is tov, "good," which appears seven times. G-d says, "Let there be," there is, and G-d sees "that it is good." Creation in Bereishith 1 is not primarily about the power of G-d but about the goodness of G-d and the universe He made. In historical context, this is an extraordinary statement. For the most part, the ancients saw the world as a dangerous and threatening place, full of dangers, disasters, famines and floods. There was no overarching meaning to any of this. It was the result of clashing powers, personified as conflicts between the G-ds. Religion was either an attempt to assert human power over the elements through magic and myth, or a mystical escape from the world into a private nirvana of the soul.

Against this, Judaism made the astonishing assertion that the world is good. It is intelligible. It is the result not of blind collisions and random mutations but of a single creative will. This alone is enough to set Judaism apart as the most hopeful of the world's faiths.

There is however another key word, the root b-d-l, "to separate, distinguish, divide." This appears five times in Bereishith 1. The goodness of the universe is itself a matter of order, boundaries and distinctions. G-d separates the different domains (day 1, light and dark; day 2, upper and lower waters; day 3, land and sea) and fills each with its appropriate objects or life-forms (day 4, sun and moon; day 5, birds and fish; day 6, land animals and mankind). So important was this idea to Judaism that we have a special ceremony, havdalah, to mark the end of Shabbat and the beginning of each cycle of "the six days of creation." Like G-d, we begin creation by havdalah: making, noting and consecrating distinctions.

This too is fundamental to the Judaic world view. Goodness is order; evil is disorder, an act or person or entity in the wrong place. The word chet, sin, comes from a verb meaning "to miss the target." The word averah, like its English equivalent "transgression," means to stray across a border, to enter forbidden territory. Many of the chukkim or "statutes" of Judaism are about inculcating respect for the inherent orderliness of the universe - and thus not mixing milk (life) and meat (death), wool (an animal product) and linen (a vegetable product) or sowing a field with "mixed kinds" of seed.

Creation itself is seen as the slow emergence of order from chaos. This, as the physicist Gerald Schroeder points out (in Genesis and the Big Bang) is implicit in the Hebrew words erev and boker, "And it was evening (erev) and it was morning (boker)." Erev in Hebrew means an undifferentiated mixture of elements. Boker comes from a root meaning "to reflect, contemplate, seek clarity." Much recent work in physics, biology and cosmology has converged on the discovery that the birth of stars, planets and life itself is a matter of the slow emergence of ever more complex systems of order swimming, as it were, against the tide of entropy.

An ordered universe is a peaceable universe in which every form of being, inanimate, animate and human, has its proper place. Violence, injustice and conflict are forms of disorder - a failure to respect the integrity of each life-form or (in the case of humanity, where "every life is like a universe") each person. That was the state of the universe before the Flood, when "all flesh had corrupted its way on earth."

This was not an abstract idea. The world of myth, against which Judaism is a sustained protest, was one in which boundaries were not observed. There were human beings who were like G-ds and G-ds who were like human beings. There were strange mythological hybrids - like the sphinx, half human, half animal. Religious ecstasy was often accompanied by a ceremonial breaking of boundaries in various ways. To the Judaic mind this is paganism, and it is never morally neutral. G-d creates order; man creates chaos; and the result is inevitably destructive.

The most fundamental boundary is stated in the Torah's first sentence - that between "heaven" and "earth." Never before or since (except among religions or cultures influenced by Judaism) has G-d been conceived in so radically transcendent a way. G-d is not to be identified with anything on earth. "The heavens are the heavens of the Lord," says the Psalmist, "but the earth He has given to man." This ontological divide is fundamental. G-d is G-d; humanity is humanity. There can be no blurring of the boundaries.

That was the sin of the builders of the tower. Their aspiration (to "reach heaven") was laughable, and indeed the Torah makes a joke of it. They think that their construction - three hundred feet high - has reached heaven, whereas G-d has to "come down" to look at it (in general, the one thing that makes G-d laugh in the Torah is the pretensions of human beings when they think of themselves as like the G-ds). However it was worse than laughable. The Netziv (R. Naftali Zvi Yehudah Berlin, 1817-1893), writing in Czarist Russia and prophetically foreseeing the worst excesses of communism, sees Babel as the world's first totalitarianism, in which to preserve the masses as a single entity, all freedom of expression is suppressed (that, for him, is the meaning of "the whole world had one language and a unified speech"). Intoxicated by their technological prowess, the builders of Babel believe they had become like G-ds and could now construct their own cosmopolis, their man-made miniature universe. Not content with earth, they wanted to build an abode in heaven. It is a mistake many civilizations have made, and the result is catastrophe.

In modern times, the re-enactment of Babel is most clearly associated with the name of Nietzsche (1844-1890). For the last ten years of his life, he was clinically insane, but shortly before his final breakdown he had a nightmare vision which has become justly famous:

    Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly, "I seek G-d! I seek G-d!" . . . "Whither is G-d? he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. All of us are his murderers . . . G-d is dead. G-d remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, the murderers of all murderers, comfort ourselves? What was holiest and most powerful of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? . . . Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become G-ds simply to seem worthy of it?"

As George Steiner pointed out (in his In Bluebeard's Castle) there was less than three-quarters of a century between Nietzsche and the Holocaust, between his vision of the murder of G-d and the deliberate, systematic attempt to murder the "people of G-d" (Hitler called conscience "a Jewish invention").

When human beings try to become more than human, they quickly become less than human. As Lord Acton pointed out, even the great city-state of Athens which produced Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, self-destructed when "the possession of unlimited power, which corrodes the conscience, hardens the heart, and confounds the understanding of monarchs, exercised its demoralising influence." What went wrong in Athens, he writes, was the belief that "there is no law superior to that of the State - the lawgiver is above the law."

Only when G-d is G-d can man be man. That means keeping heaven and earth distinct, organising the latter only under the conscious sovereignty of the former. Without this there is little to prevent human beings from sacrificing the many for the sake of the few, or the few for the sake of the many. Only a respect for the integrity of creation stops human beings destroying themselves. Humility in the presence of Divine order is our last, best safeguard against mankind arrogating to itself power without restraint, might without right. Babel was the first civilization, but sadly not the last, to begin with a dream of utopia and end in a nightmare of hell. A world of tov, good, is a world of havdalah, boundaries and limits. Those who cross those boundaries and transgress these limits make a name for themselves, but the name they make is Babel, meaning chaos, confusion and the loss of that order which is a precondition of both nature (the world G-d creates) and culture (the world we create).

I dont fear Illuminati, nor NWO, or Bilderberg, or Obama, or you. I walk in faith and have been blessed in many ways. I pray that all will reflect on this message.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: What REALLY Motivates Obama: Islam or NWO?
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2009, 04:58:26 AM »
He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.

Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.

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typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?

I guarantee you that Briann has read ten times as much as you regarding the world economy.  There are world economic interests of multi national corporations, movements, world leaders and I'm sure there have been public treaties, meetings, organizations and private ones that we have never hear about.  Your points have to be grounded in reality and when you start mocking people that they haven't read some book by some mad man, you are just actually insulting yourself.  It's one thing to point people in a specific direction of a potential conspiracy but when you say that everything from the Muslim world to Sesame street are controlled by one large organization, you can't be taken seriously.  Give us specific examples and don't say "do your research" when I'm sure there are plenty of subjects that you are an ignoramus on.

People who believe that one group or organization has controlled the world absolutely, just prefer an easy explanation to the world, rather than reading extensively on different subjects.  There may well be a NWO conspiracy to knock down national sovereignty to Israel, the United States and other nations.  If someone were to say that the Taliban, for instance, is controlled by Wall Street, it shows a lack of understanding of humanity's constant bickering condition and the vast differences among people.