Opposition to animal korbonos

[wonga66]

Does the Jewish year 5770AM have any meaning to you?
Do you believe that the Mabul took place in 1656AM?

LOL.  And you can date Tubal-Cain from Jewish sources? 

The ancients were were more skilled and intelligent than us. That science and inventions have exploded since the Industrial Revolution 1840 (5600AM) was foretold in the Zohar. It was a gift of rachmonus from Hashem, not because we are more intelligent, but because we are more stupid! Our enfeebled minds and bodies could not have survived without the recent revelations of electricty, engines, computers, fertilisers, atomic power etc. We may know more than the ancients, but we are actually dimmer: "If I have seen further than others, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants" (Isaac Newton). 

And remember that more men were killed in the last century than in all the wars previous history added together.

And it's not over yet.....!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Does the Jewish year 5770AM have any meaning to you?
Do you believe that the Mabul took place in 1656AM?

LOL.  And you can date Tubal-Cain from Jewish sources? 

The ancients were were more skilled and intelligent than us. That science and inventions have exploded since the Industrial Revolution 1840 (5600AM) was foretold in the Zohar. It was a gift of rachmonus from Hashem, not because we are more intelligent, but because we are more stupid! Our enfeebled minds and bodies could not have survived without the recent revelations of electricty, engines, computers, fertilisers, atomic power etc. We may know more than the ancients, but we are actually dimmer: "If I have seen further than others, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants" (Isaac Newton). 

And remember that more men were killed in the last century than in all the wars previous history added together.

And it's not over yet.....!

So our minds were more feeble, yet somehow our minds created the inventions.   You are fighting a losing battle here.   Technology advances through human intuition.    The ancients did not know how to build computers.   They may have had a better connection with God, but they did not know how to build a computer.   But what's more important?   Obviously the connection with God.    So if you want to call that more MORAL, go ahead, but that is not the same as technical intelligence/know-how.    It is not more "advanced" scientifically speaking. Scientific knowledge is technical, not an inherent quality, and as time goes on, more information about God's creation becomes available, and more technical innovations are produced by humans.    That says nothing about morality or ethics or connection with God.   It only says that humans gained more technological prowess with time.   Take that however you like, but facts are facts.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Btw please check your messages, wonga.

[wonga66]

Most major discoveries are surprises and "by chance". Without Hashem & His Unpreemptable Timetable, no one invents anything, no matter how clever or simple they are: "In the 600th year of the 6000th the gates of Torah knowledge will open from above, & the wellsprings of secular knowledge from below, & will inundate the world" (Zohar I:117).

And lo & behold in and around 5600 (=1840) we had Dalton's Atomic Theory, Ampere (electricity), Laplace formulae, electric motor, electric telegraph, Faraday, electrochemistry, Joule's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Doppler Effect, Radio, Boolean Algebra, Pasteur & immunization, spectroscope, incandescent lamp, Mendel & genetics, periodic table of the elements, electromagnetism, Koch & microbiology, Bell & telephone, bicycle, train, typewriter, sewing machine, photography, reaper, dynamite etc etc etc!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Most major discoveries are surprises and "by chance". Without Hashem & His Unpreemptable Timetable, no one invents anything, no matter how clever or simple they are: "In the 600th year of the 6000th the gates of Torah knowledge will open from above, & the wellsprings of secular knowledge from below, & will inundate the world" (Zohar I:117).

And lo & behold in and around 5600 (=1840) we had Dalton's Atomic Theory, Ampere (electricity), Laplace formulae, electric motor, electric telegraph, Faraday, electrochemistry, Joule's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Doppler Effect, Radio, Boolean Algebra, Pasteur & immunization, spectroscope, incandescent lamp, Mendel & genetics, periodic table of the elements, electromagnetism, Koch & microbiology, Bell & telephone, bicycle, train, typewriter, sewing machine, photography, reaper, dynamite etc etc etc!

And all of those inventors weren't thinking for themselves, yet you would claim that when you do a mitzvah, it is your own free will and you get credit for it.   Nonsense.  It is all free will, you do get credit for the mitzvah, and they also thought about deep ideas and came to conclusions.   That it was in an opportune time, perhaps, but they still thought of it and created new things.   Their brains were not programmed by God as robot automaton-goyim (or automaton secular-jew) implanted to bring new inventions to earth.   That sounds like the theory that aliens secretly passed us technologies from another universe/planet.

[muman613]

I do believe that Hashem decides when technology will be revealed. A Jew must believe this if they believe that Hashem is all powerful. While free will has to do with deciding right from wrong application of technology. Technology is certainly a double edged sword. It can be used for very much evil, as we see through atomic and biological weapons... But it can also be used for much good.

I do believe that the Kabbalah revealed that secular knowledge will increase till the coming of Moshiach. Many Talmudic discussions involve the idea the man will progress technologically till the end of days. I don't think it is far fetched to believe that every bit of intellect which humans have is from Hashem. There have been great minds in every generation. We must look for the good sparks in every neshama and try to unite them to achieve the things required to hasten Moshiach.

I am involved with developing high technology because I work as a software engineer developing digital signal processors for decoding video and audio streams. I believe my skills are Hashgacha Pratis/Divine Providence from Hashem and it excites me to be a part of the creation process of this world. Hashem is all powerful and to say that technology is solely from the hands of man is to deny this basic Jewish fact...

Do not believe for a moment that what we have is from our own work... Only from the providence of Hashem...

“He oppressed you and made you hungry, and He fed you the manna that neither you knew nor your forefathers knew, in order to inform you that not by bread alone does man live, rather by the entire expression of G-d’s word does man live” (Devarim 8:3).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I do believe that Hashem decides when technology will be revealed. A Jew must believe this if they believe that Hashem is all powerful.

No, he mustn't.

[muman613]

I do believe that Hashem decides when technology will be revealed. A Jew must believe this if they believe that Hashem is all powerful.

No, he mustn't.

You deny that Hashem is all powerful? Or you deny that he has knowledge of every event past, present, and future? Or what are you disagreeing with me about? If Hashem is all powerful and he is responsible for every blade of grass which grows and leaf which falls, how could he not be in control of when technology is developed? I dont understand your bringing up the concept of free will. Free will is only within the real of deciding good and evil, not what era we are born in, or the societies in which we grow up in. Progress has come extremely fast due to the enlightenment which, as we discussed, our sages foresaw.

Of course I think you are disagreeing that A Jew must believe this because I am making a generalization and every Jew is free to believe what he or she has learned to believe. But I believe my statement must be understood in the complete context of saying that divine providence covers every aspect of the world, technology included.

Here is this idea in 'light' of the upcoming Holiday of Chanukah:

http://www.shemayisrael.com/chanukah/greek.htm
Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, the Alter of Kelm9 asks - what is the meaning of the tefila - bayamim haheim baz'man hazeh - in those days at this time? (This is the formula used in both the bracha, she'asa nissim and in Al Hanissim) The obvious meaning is that we thank Hashem for the miracles He performed so many years ago at this time of year. Still, why do we even have to mention that they occurred bayamim haheim in those days? Surely this is obvious. We do not mention in the tefillos for other Yomim Tovim that we are commemorating events that occurred in days gone by.

The Alter explains that a neis nigleh, an open miracle serves two purposes. One aim is as we explained, to show that Hashem loves the tzadikim for their total emuna, faith in Him. The second purpose is to teach us that everything in this world is miraculous. Every blade of grass that grows, every apple that ripens is a wonder. Our ability to read this article, the ability to hold this booklet in our hands attests to the greatness of Hashem. This is a fundamental concept of emuna10. However being creatures of habit, we take things for granted and fail to see the Hand of Hashem in our daily lives. When we look back at the many open miracles Hashem has performed for us throughout history, we see that it is He who controls nature, that all phenomena are miracles albeit hidden.

We can now understand the words bayamim haheim baz'man hazeh. Hashem made the neis Chanuka as a show of love for the selfless devotion of the Chashmonaim . That is the meaning of bayamim haheim, in those days - the miracle was for them. However the lesson to be gleaned from the neis was not for that generation. The Chashmonaim already understood that everything in the world is a manifestation of Hashem's will. The miracles were meant to inspire the later generations, for us that are baz'man hazeh - the lessons are for us today11.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/80733/jewish/As-Knowledge-Humbles-Power.htm

As the Previous Rebbe explains in another maamar associated with Yud-Beis Tammuz,46 the concept of Hashgachah Peratis explained by the Baal Shem Tov is that, not only is every particular movement of each individual created being controlled by G-d through Hashgachah Peratis, but that, moreover, the particular movements of these individual created beings “share an encompassing relationship with the intent of creation as a whole…. Even one movement of a single blade of grass fulfills G-d’s intent for the creation [as a whole].”47 This approach also grants us a new [and deeper] conception of the Hashgachah Peratis that controls man.

[To explain:] The opinions which maintain that Hashgachah Peratis controls only humans, [explain that] inanimate matter, plants, and animals are controlled by Hashgachah Klallis. (“[G-d’s] providence encompasses the species as a whole, but not every individual member.”48) Nevertheless, this involves only those matters that concern inanimate objects, plants, and animals themselves. When, however, a particular event concerning (inanimate matter, plants, and animals) will affect man, these opinions also agree that the particular event is controlled by Hashgachah Peratis. [They differ concerning the following point.] According to their conception:49

G-d will not decree that these particular fish will die or live. Instead, He will decree that this person’s concerns and livelihood…. Thus Divine providence does encompass a person with regard to his livestock, e.g., will his ox fatten?… Will his jug break?….

According to their conception, Hashgachah Peratis is focused on man, because he is the ultimate purpose of the creation (which was brought into being “for the sake of the Jewish people”). As a consequence, Hashgachah Peratis encompasses all of man’s concerns (including the inanimate matter, plants, and animals [which affect him]).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

God created the world.

Man invented the wheel.


God gave man the potential to invent a wheel.

Man invented it with his God-given intellect.

[wonga66]

The timing of an invention and its succesful implementation is up to G-d.

Outside of a narrow area of G-d given free-will between good and evil within our heads, we may well be largely automatonous, including most of our thoughts, despite this world having been deliberately constructed to appear to the contrary; see "All the World's a Stage", Alter Rebbe, Holiday Maamarim 2008 ch17.

Just like the galaxies, stars and planets orbit with relentless military precison on the macro-scale, and the atoms and sub-atomic particles orbit with relentless military precision on the micro-scale, so too are all human events, even the seemingly most petty, especially  gentile events, although it may appear at this time to be chaotic, also occurring with relentless military precision - if only we could see the whole picture, which we will at the End Time.

The seminal spark of thought for a new invention comes direct from Hashem - ה עושה חדשות - "It is Hashem who makes knew things" - as we say in Shacharis. The inventor has the free-will to develop the idea for the good or evil, for the benefit or detriment of mankind, to serve the Creator or for his personal aggrandisement. It is well known that most succesful inventors were big believers in G-d and humbly attributed their inspiration ("in-spire" literally means "breathing in" of the Divine spark) to Him. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Most major discoveries are surprises and "by chance". Without Hashem & His Unpreemptable Timetable, no one invents anything, no matter how clever or simple they are: "In the 600th year of the 6000th the gates of Torah knowledge will open from above, & the wellsprings of secular knowledge from below, & will inundate the world" (Zohar I:117).

And lo & behold in and around 5600 (=1840) we had Dalton's Atomic Theory, Ampere (electricity), Laplace formulae, electric motor, electric telegraph, Faraday, electrochemistry, Joule's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Doppler Effect, Radio, Boolean Algebra, Pasteur & immunization, spectroscope, incandescent lamp, Mendel & genetics, periodic table of the elements, electromagnetism, Koch & microbiology, Bell & telephone, bicycle, train, typewriter, sewing machine, photography, reaper, dynamite etc etc etc!

So you are actually admitting now that we advanced technologically and scientifically in the realm of human knowledge as time has gone on.   Now you are saying "God did it all, not man," which you can believe if you want (silly - this is a point of view from God's perspective, but we are man, so we see things from man's perspective!) , but nonetheless you have admitted now that we got more scientifically advanced as time has gone on.   I applaud your ability to be reasonable and to acknowledge the truth.   

And just as man didn't always know dynamite, photography, the sewing machine, the bicycle, the telephone, and the Doppler effect,  so to man did not always know how to build structures/societies out of stone.

[wonga66]

Who knew more: Adam Harishon or Einstein?!

Yet Adam was naked and had no possessions or technology; whilst Einstein wore clothes, lived in a house, drove a car and derived E=mc2!

At the time of his creation, before the Fall, Adam knew all about houses, clothes, cars and E=mc2, and much much more than we can ever dream about. But he would have laughed at them: Adam was a near-angelic being who had no need for such petty physical devices.

In the Messianic Age, mankind and the world will be restored to the level of Adam Harishon  kodem hachet , and will have no need for technology or science, at all, including walking around naked once more!

There is a concept of yeridas hadoros - a relentless decline in the generations: physically, mentally and spiritually.


The rabbis say that the invention of the printing press was sent from Above only in the 15th c, because so many cartloads of hand-written Talmuds had been burnt, that knowledge of the Toral sh'baal Peh was literally in danger of going lost, and men's memories were becoming fallible.

Hashem in His mercy bestows inventions, and the inspiration to invent them, to support men's declining spiritual, physical and mental abilities, only when they are needed. If they are not needed according to His Plan, the inspiration won't come, or the invention won't succeed.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Who knew more: Adam Harishon or Einstein?!

Yet Adam was naked and had no possessions or technology; whilst Einstein wore clothes, lived in a house, drove a car and derived E=mc2!

At the time of his creation, before the Fall, Adam knew all about houses, clothes, cars and E=mc2,

Source?

and much much more than we can ever dream about. But he would have laughed at them: Adam was a near-angelic being who had no need for such petty physical devices. 

So do you really count "before the fall" in the history of mankind?  That's rather peculiar.  If Adam was "near-angelic" and he had no need for physical devices, how would he have known about them?   You do realize that an angel cannot comprehend nor experience such things - physical things.   Let alone derive complex mathematical equations about them.   

Are you saying that the earliest mankind, let's say 1 year after the sin of Adam, knew how to build a computer but just chose to ignore that 'petty' technology?  LOL, you sound like a joke.   But this is no laughing matter.  Because you don't realize how stupid this sounds.   The earliest mankind didn't build computers because they didn't know how and couldn't figure out how based on the knowledge available to them.  Even the notion of this was completely foreign.  That is not a slight on earliest mankind, only a statement of inevitability based on circumstance. 

If you want to say that the reason mankind wasn't privy to this knowledge, why they didn't know how to design a computer, was because God determined that spiritually they did not need such things in their lives, and mankind would only be suited to such knowledge later in the stage of history - be my guest.   A strange way of looking at things, but nobody can say you're wrong.   But don't tell me that they knew but just felt superior to computers so chose not to build them.    See, there's a fine line between sounding really insane, and just sounding overly pious.   Don't cross that line.

In the Messianic Age, mankind and the world will be restored to the level of Adam Harishon  kodem hachet , and will have no need for technology or science,

Really, no need for science?   What does that mean exactly?  Can you explain that please?   Does that mean man will reject the truth?  Or does it mean that we will have found all the truth we need (through science), and we won't need to search for it anymore (with more science)?   Because that's what science does.  It searches for the truth.   So I want to be clear in what you are saying.   I sincerely hope you do not mean that man will ignore the truth that science has arrived at.   Because that would produce peculiar behaviors in a current-generation resident who wishes to "aspire" toward the adam ha-rishon like state, or at least push us there if we're not there yet.... catch my drift big guy?

at all, including walking around naked once more! 

  Don't you wish?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There is a concept of yeridas hadoros - a relentless decline in the generations: physically, mentally and spiritually. 

Physically mentally and spiritually?  What do you mean by that?  And when you explain what you meant by that, can you then tell us, did you make that up?    Come on now.   Those who explain "yeridas hadoros" do not claim that science goes backward and that current man knows less about the physical world and its inner workings than the iron age man did.  Nor that Iron age or stone age never took place.   Don't desecrate Torah, please.   (I'm sure you will now quote a 20th century reactionary anti-science fundamentalist who wrote screed against common knowledge, common sense, and truth, in the guise of "Torah" and try to pass that off as if it is ancient Judaic outlook or in any way connected to our mesorah.  Please refrain from this.   The 20th century reactionary innovations are not the same as ancient tradition.  If you have a real source, bring it.  Don't bring polemics).   

Let's start with something very simple.  By the time of the baalei Tosafoth (c 1100-1200), some of the medical prescriptions in Talmud were already outdated due to improved knowledge in those areas.  So the baalei Tosafoth recommended not to follow those medical advices from the Talmud, that they do not apply to us.   Does this make sense to you that medical practice got worse?  If it really did get worse, then we should be following the Talmudic medical advice because we would have preserved the "better" medical knowledge of earlier man and could employ that amidst our current "fallen" state with regards to medical science.   Addarabba.   The opposite is the case.   Medicine improved, and the old methods preserved in Talmud from earlier, less scientifically knowledgable man were pushed aside.

The rabbis say that the invention of the printing press was sent from Above only in the 15th c, because so many cartloads of hand-written Talmuds had been burnt, that knowledge of the Toral sh'baal Peh was literally in danger of going lost,

Nonsense.  There was no such danger.   Do you realize how many extant manuscripts there were at that time?   In Yemen alone, the Yemenites preserved handwritten manuscripts of not only the Talmud and Torah but also works of Rambam, midrashim and others, straight through to the 21st century!  In all that time they never knew a printing press existed, nor did they care to find out about it or use it.   They were able to preserve Torah she baal peh the old-fashioned way.  And this is only one example.   

At times in history in some places gentile hordes burnt talmud, but we never "ran out of copies."   And that did NOT happen in every place.   They were not burned in every major place that Jews lived.

and men's memories were becoming fallible.

Completely false.   Rav David HaLivni could recite Shas by heart in the concentration camps.   The Rogatchover Rebbe - would you say his memory was "fallible" ? Please.   How about Rav Ovadia Yosef of today.  He has a "fallible memory" ?   Rav Chaim Kanievsky?  Come on.   Printed or handwritten, they could remember things then and people can remember things now.   There was not a danger that all of oral torah (already written down) would be lost.   What you are saying is a fable.

Hashem in His mercy bestows inventions, and the inspiration to invent them, to support men's declining spiritual, physical and mental abilities, only when they are needed. If they are not needed according to His Plan, the inspiration won't come, or the invention won't succeed.

You are again contradicting yourself.  Please operate within the realm of logic.  If man NEEDS a new invention to "come down from above" to support his spiritual and otherwise decline, that just proves that the new invention is an IMPROVEMENT over man's previous technological state.  (You are saying first he's spiritually high in 1980, doesn't need much technological aid, then he falls a bit spiritually by 1990 and needs a little "boost" to counteract that or compensate for it, so Hashem drops a wireless device on us, or what have you).  You are implicitly agreeing to what I said that scientific achievement and discovery INCREASES as time moves forward. 

If you want to say that that scientific improvement is necessary to support and bolster mankind as it spirals into moral decay and/or spiritual decline over time, that's fine.  You still admit that basic fundamental truth that scientific improvement occurs with time.  To deny this is to deny reality, which is a desecration of the Torah.   And look, you can't really deny it because faced with sufficient challenge, your words have admitted to my premises.   Now open your eyes and acknowledge that you have done so.

[The One and Only Mo]

I would have commented ages ago, but it's apparent that there's a lot of misuse of information here, and I don't want to make anybody feel bad.

[muman613]

To be honest I have heard things explained as Wonga is relating.

The invention of the video camera may be to remind us that there is an eye which is always watching us, the telephone to remind us that there is an ear that listens... I understand these mahshals and also know that progress is divine... Every technology has a reason to remind us of Hashem.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The timing of an invention and its succesful implementation is up to G-d.

Outside of a narrow area of G-d given free-will between good and evil within our heads,

I also find it rather peculiar that you define "free will" as limited to something within our heads.  The classic sources refer to free will in the sense of actions and deeds carried out in the world.  Otherwise there is no credit for mitzvot, and no punishment for sin, Chas VeShalom.   Because my action was carried out not by me, but by God, God forbid.  The entire underpinnings of Judaism are uprooted with such twisted hashkafa

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

To be honest I have heard things explained as Wonga is relating.

That's the tragedy of it all.  He had to get his twisted hashkafa from somewhere, and so he can't be the only one who subscribes to these nonsensical ideas, unfortunately.

The invention of the video camera may be to remind us that there is an eye which is always watching us, the telephone to remind us that there is an ear that listens... I understand these mahshals and also know that progress is divine... Every technology has a reason to remind us of Hashem.

But this is not saying what wonga said.    He said there was no such thing as the stone age.  And that ancient man knew these technologies but decided not to bother with them.   And that Hashem invented these things.

[muman613]

My understanding is that Hashem gave man intellect in able to be able to discover and invent technology. But there is a divine aspect to every new technology and it is only because Hashem has created this intellect of man, which allows the invention to be revealed.

I am not sure if that is what he was trying to say originally. I do believe that there was a time when humanity did not see science like we do today. But I also think that today we put as much faith in science as we did idolatry. I think that progress is great as long as we learn from the past and apply it to our life.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The ancients were were more skilled and intelligent than us. That science and inventions have exploded since the Industrial Revolution 1840 (5600AM) was foretold in the Zohar. It was a gift of rachmonus

It seems the inherent contradiction was glaring from earlier on in the thread but I managed to miss it somehow.   If they were more skilled and intelligent, why did the Zohar predict an explosion of inventions (or so you claim it predicts) to arrive so late in history?   It should have predicted an implosion, and a complete void of scientific progress.   If the zohar predicts what you say it does, it lends support to my words.     

[wonga66]

First of all, can you answer the simple question already posed to you: in what year B.C.E. do you believe Adam Harishon lived?

Are you saying that the earliest mankind, let's say 1 year after the sin of Adam, knew how to build a computer but just chose to ignore that 'petty' technology?   

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

First of all, can you answer the simple question already posed to you: in what year B.C.E. do you believe Adam Harishon lived?

Are you saying that the earliest mankind, let's say 1 year after the sin of Adam, knew how to build a computer but just chose to ignore that 'petty' technology?   

Why must you change the subject?  I guess I must be right.

[wonga66]

This is not changing the subject: it is the core of the subject!

Do you believe that Adam Harishon lived 6000 years ago, and that there has been a devolution since then?

Or do you believe that modern man is the result of an evolution up from sub-human ape-like hominids over the last 3 million years?

Why must you change the subject?  I guess I must be right.

[The One and Only Mo]

This is still going on?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Why must you change the subject?  I guess I must be right.

This is not changing the subject: it is the core of the subject!

Do you believe that Adam Harishon lived 6000 years ago,

  Yes.

and that there has been a devolution since then?

"Devolution" in what way?  If spiritually yes, and no.   There was a spiritual/ethical decline until Matan Torah at Mt Sinai where there was a tikkun/partial tikkun of Adam haRishon, and there was obviously a peak in spirituality/connection with G-d at that event.   So no it was not just a straight decline from Adam HaRishon.   And if you mean a "devolution" in terms of scientific knowledge, the obvious answer is no, as has been belabored in this thread ad nauseam.  The science of mankind has been always improving since G-d created man.  As time goes on, man develops more and better science but will never reach G-d's infinite knowledge and understanding of the deepest secrets of the universe in the finest details.   Yet man strives for that goal and gets closer in an assymptotic fashion, never to actually reach that destination.

Or do you believe that modern man is the result of an evolution up from sub-human ape-like hominids over the last 3 million years?

False.   Adam HaRishon was most likely a result of evolution from other hominids (homo habilis, homo erectus, what have you).  Modern man is a continuation of the first man, Adam Harishon, created as a species set apart by Hashem when he put a neshama inside and gave man an intellect. 

Obviously there was a fallen state of Adam HaRishon, and at the sin of the golden calf man fell down a notch.   And mankind's morality is eroding.   But none of this has to do with what you asked here.   Most certainly there was evolution in a physical sense before Adam HaRishon, leading up to his creation.  And the biggest evolutionary leap of all was G-d placing a neshama in man and creating him as a species apart to have domain over the world.   Did the early hominids that became Adam HaRishon originally evolve from ape-like species?  Possibly.   But none of that was without G-d's direction, and there is obviously no comparison between man (adam harishon and onward) with any other species.  It was a quantum leap.

And if you claim that none of this Divine directed evolution occurred prior to creation of man, then you are asserting that G-d put the evidence of this having happened (it's an overwhelming amount of evidence) into the ground to "pretend" or to fool us.   This is not logical.  Nor is it believable to any Jew that has seen and/or studied some of the evidence behind evolution to be told such a fantastical idea that G-d planted bones in the ground to trick us or to be told that it's all a lie or the scientists made it up.   Luckily for this type of Jew, it is within reason to allow for evolution and this can fit within the Jewish sources without undermining Jewish belief.  There is room for evolution in the sources regarding maaseh bereshith.   So there is no need to resort to far-fetched claims.
That being said, an unsuitable answer (bone-trickery) may be suitable to those who are not so learned in these matters and do not delve into this matter in any complex way.   The problem is for those of us who have any exposure to other knowledge, it requires a more complex investigation that the unsuitable (G-d is tricking us) answer does not suffice.   But really, there is no problem if evolution occurred.