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voo-yo:
--- Quote from: Serbstvo on January 06, 2011, 06:30:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---Again, provide a source for this. The base of Serbian language is from Herzegovina, not Macedonia. I can understand maybe 60% when they speak.
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You're thinking of Shtokavian, which is a dialect of the Serbian language originated in Serbian Hercegovina and Rashka. Shtokavian is not the only dialect spoken by Serbs.
Bulgarians are Slavicized Asians. Their ethnonym and original language are non-Slavic. The language they speak now and their Orthodox faith were passed on to them by Serbs. Bulgarian and Macedonian languages are actually an older form of the Serbian language, which predominated among eastern Serbs (east of the Drina) until 18-19th centuries which brought the period of Vuk Karadzic's reforms.
Skoplje used to be Serbia's capital city and was the center of the Serbian Kingdom. Macedonians are in fact a clearly defined people and their their origins are well established. The problems is with them not wanting to accept it.
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So, Serbs started talking differently because Vuk Karadzic told them so? That's ridiculous. There are some Serbs on the border with Macedonia and Bulgaria who speak serbo-bulgarian mix, but that's not a genuine dialect.
Uskoro ces reci da Zemunci govore posebnim narecjem.
crnitrn:
--- Quote from: Serbstvo on January 06, 2011, 06:30:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---Again, provide a source for this. The base of Serbian language is from Herzegovina, not Macedonia. I can understand maybe 60% when they speak.
--- End quote ---
You're thinking of Shtokavian, which is a dialect of the Serbian language originated in Serbian Hercegovina and Rashka. Shtokavian is not the only dialect spoken by Serbs.
Bulgarians are Slavicized Asians. Their ethnonym and original language are non-Slavic. The language they speak now and their Orthodox faith were passed on to them by Serbs. Bulgarian and Macedonian languages are actually an older form of the Serbian language, which predominated among eastern Serbs (east of the Drina) until 18-19th centuries which brought the period of Vuk Karadzic's reforms.
Skoplje used to be Serbia's capital city and was the center of the Serbian Kingdom. Macedonians are in fact a clearly defined people and their their origins are well established. The problem is with them not wanting to accept it.
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Generally saying, i agree with you.Vuk Karadzic maybe worked for AU but his work have some good thing. Now we have simpler grammar and the best Writing of language,One symbol - Single voice(sound-phones). So Serbian language have the best Writing in the world, the easiest language for reading, anyone can learn to read serbian just in 2-3 weeks, and faster!
And Voo-yo, my english is not so good but Zelhar understand what i was saying. And I was not writing just a that what you are asked. I was writing all in one post, that was easy for me!
And classical moment, when arguments are gone, you start to talk about orthography and grammar of English language,and next your step is directly Insulting! But you are doing that just to Serbs !
So please stop to posting that pro-western and Vatican c.r.a.p here!
PS We all know that you are good in English language, and admire to you!
crnitrn:
--- Quote from: Serbstvo on January 06, 2011, 06:30:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---Again, provide a source for this. The base of Serbian language is from Herzegovina, not Macedonia. I can understand maybe 60% when they speak.
--- End quote ---
You're thinking of Shtokavian, which is a dialect of the Serbian language originated in Serbian Hercegovina and Rashka. Shtokavian is not the only dialect spoken by Serbs.
Bulgarians are Slavicized Asians. Their ethnonym and original language are non-Slavic. The language they speak now and their Orthodox faith were passed on to them by Serbs. Bulgarian and Macedonian languages are actually an older form of the Serbian language, which predominated among eastern Serbs (east of the Drina) until 18-19th centuries which brought the period of Vuk Karadzic's reforms.
Skoplje used to be Serbia's capital city and was the center of the Serbian Kingdom. Macedonians are in fact a clearly defined people and their their origins are well established. The problem is with them not wanting to accept it.
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Yes Serbstvo, thx for help!
Lets ask our friend Zelhar to describe unlike and similarity between ancient Hebrew and, modern Hebrew,Tiberian Hebrew or Masoretic Hebrew,Mishnaic Hebrew,Amoraic Hebrew (also called Late Rabbinic Hebrew or Mishnaic Hebrew II),Samaritan Hebrew language,Ashkenazi Hebrew,Sephardi Hebrew,Mizrahi Hebrew or Oriental Hebrew,Yemenite Hebrew...even more a Yiddish language! Are this languages of Jews people?
voo-yo:
--- Quote from: Serbstvo on January 06, 2011, 09:41:23 PM ---Vuk Karadzic wasn't the one calling the shots. He was an agent assigned by the Habsburgs to alter the Serbian language so that it more resembled the languages of Slavic peoples within the Austrian-Hungarian Empire than Russian and Bulgarian, which it was closer to at the time. This was part of Vienna's greater plan of eventually absorbing Serbia into the Empire. Before Karadzic's linguistic reforms, Serbian, Bulgarian and Russian were equally understood between its respective peoples. Serbs and Russians were able to communicate in their own languages without the need of interpreters. Nowadays, Serbs and Russians have to speak in English in order to understand each other.
--- Quote ---Karadžić's reforms of the Serbian literary language modernised it and distanced it from Serbian and Russian Church Slavonic, instead bringing it closer to common folk speech, specifically, to the dialect of Eastern Herzegovina which he spoke. Karadžić was, together with Đuro Daničić, the main Serbian signatory to the Vienna Literary Agreement of 1850 which, encouraged by Austrian authorities, laid the foundation for the Serbian language, various forms of which are used by Serbs in Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia today. Karadžić also translated the New Testament into Serbian, which was published in 1868.
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And it was the Serbian king, under enormous Austrian pressure, who implemented Karadzic's reforms. Vuk Karadzic named his daughter Wilhelmina, a clear indicator of who he was and who he worked for.
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It's a nice conspiracy theory. One question for you. What language do Serbs west from Drina and in Montenegro speak? Croatian?
What you are now saying is that what Croats claim. That we stole their language.
--- Quote ---And it was the Serbian king, under enormous Austrian pressure, who implemented Karadzic's reforms. Vuk Karadzic named his daughter Wilhelmina, a clear indicator of who he was and who he worked for.
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Like I said, that's ridiculous. You can't force an entire nation to change the way they talk, especially in those times, when majority of people didn't even go to school.
Vuk Karadzic was married to a German woman and lived in Vienna. That's why his daughter was called Wilhelmina, it was a compromise with his wife. His son had a Serbian name. It doesn't make him a foreign agent.
And btw, Church Slavonic was a fake language, invented by clergy who learned from Russian books, and it was a language of the educated upper class. That's why they fought Vuk's reform, because they despised common uneducated Serbs - "govedare".
Are you from Russia?
voo-yo:
--- Quote from: crnitrn on January 07, 2011, 06:01:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Serbstvo on January 06, 2011, 06:30:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---Again, provide a source for this. The base of Serbian language is from Herzegovina, not Macedonia. I can understand maybe 60% when they speak.
--- End quote ---
You're thinking of Shtokavian, which is a dialect of the Serbian language originated in Serbian Hercegovina and Rashka. Shtokavian is not the only dialect spoken by Serbs.
Bulgarians are Slavicized Asians. Their ethnonym and original language are non-Slavic. The language they speak now and their Orthodox faith were passed on to them by Serbs. Bulgarian and Macedonian languages are actually an older form of the Serbian language, which predominated among eastern Serbs (east of the Drina) until 18-19th centuries which brought the period of Vuk Karadzic's reforms.
Skoplje used to be Serbia's capital city and was the center of the Serbian Kingdom. Macedonians are in fact a clearly defined people and their their origins are well established. The problem is with them not wanting to accept it.
--- End quote ---
Generally saying, i agree with you.Vuk Karadzic maybe worked for AU but his work have some good thing. Now we have simpler grammar and the best Writing of language,One symbol - Single voice(sound-phones). So Serbian language have the best Writing in the world, the easiest language for reading, anyone can learn to read serbian just in 2-3 weeks, and faster!
And Voo-yo, my english is not so good but Zelhar understand what i was saying. And I was not writing just a that what you are asked. I was writing all in one post, that was easy for me!
And classical moment, when arguments are gone, you start to talk about orthography and grammar of English language,and next your step is directly Insulting! But you are doing that just to Serbs !
So please stop to posting that pro-western and Vatican c.r.a.p here!
PS We all know that you are good in English language, and admire to you!
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Jedini koji ovde vredja si ti. Zato pazi se, jer sledeci put necu da te branim kad drugi budu govorili da si trol i misionar.
Ne mozemo da raspravljamo na engleskom, jer ti ne razumes sta ja pisem, i onda odgovaras desetu stvar, a i ja ne razumem tvoj engleski, a ponekad i srpski.
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