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Zelhar:

--- Quote from: crnitrn on January 07, 2011, 06:18:59 AM ---Lets ask our friend Zelhar to describe unlike and similarity between ancient Hebrew and, modern Hebrew,Tiberian Hebrew or Masoretic Hebrew,Mishnaic Hebrew,Amoraic Hebrew (also called Late Rabbinic Hebrew or Mishnaic Hebrew II),Samaritan Hebrew language,Ashkenazi Hebrew,Sephardi Hebrew,Mizrahi Hebrew or Oriental Hebrew,Yemenite Hebrew...even more a Yiddish language! Are this  languages of Jews people?

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Ancient Hebrew texts, and medieval texts etc. are fairly easy to read since the grammar is just a little different and most of the words are still in use in modern Hebrew. As a spoken language it is harder to understand somebody who speaks in a different pronunciation like Ashkenazi or Yemeni since they are quite different from modern pronounciation which is based mostly on Sephardi pronunciation.

voo-yo:

--- Quote ---No. The language spoken by all people west of the Drina (Serbs, Croats, Muslims) is Shtokavian. A dialect of Serbian! Chakavian is the authentic Croatian language but it's not understood by most so-called Croats because all Shtokavian speakers are of Serbian descent. There are Kajkavian (Slovenian dialect) speakers in Croatia who also identify as Croats even though they are Slovenian. Croats are awfully good at assimilating people. In the past 20 years, Croatia has converted some 30000 of the few remaining Serbs left in the country.

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Unbelievable. "Shtokavian language"? Something like that doesn't exist and that term was made up so that Croats don't have to admit they are speaking Serbian. All those who spoke "shtokavian" were catholic Serbs.

--- Quote ---As you see, I am not saying what Croats claim. But you are when claiming that Macedonians are a separate ethnic group from us and that their language is Bulgarian, when both Macedonian and Bulgarian are in fact an archaic form of Serbian spoken in a certain period in history by all Serbs including west of the Drina before there was a Shtokavian.
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What are you trying to say, that Bulgarians are Serbs? Where is your evidence for such claim? You are probably just another fanboy of that "historian" Deretic.

--- Quote ---Albanians have two entirely different dialects in their langauge (Tosk and Gheg) but Serbs are somehow not allowed to?
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It's also a political construct made for the purpose of unity of fake Albanian nation. Tosk and Gheg are different languages, not dialects.

--- Quote ---Serbs made the mistake of bounding the Orthodox religion to Serbdom. The Vatican, Vienna and finally the Communists later followed the same idea when erasing the Serbian identity from its Catholic and Muslim populations. You are doing the same with declaring everything non-Shtokavian as Bulgarian.
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I'm not forcing anyone to be Bulgarian. But at the same time we can't force them to be Serbs. Many of them have downright hostile attitude to Serbian people. I can't call them brothers just like I can't call those Ustashas from Herzegovina brothers. They are purer Serbs than Macedonians are, but blood isn't everything. If they want to be Serbs, I have no objections. However, they don't.

--- Quote ---Serbs to the south and east are not Shtokavian speakers. Why don't you tell them they are Bulgarian then? That is exactly what Bulgarians are doing and why for more than a century they have been trying to annex Nis, Pirot, Vranje and Macedonia, and who knows what other places.
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Those Serbs speak "Shtokavian". There is a slight Bugarian influence in their language but it's not Bulgarian. We once had a lot of Turkish words in our language, but it doesn't mean we were speaking Turkish.

voo-yo:

--- Quote ---If you read me carefully you would've noticed that I said Bulgarians are an Asian people, mixed with Serbs. They are not Serbs, but their language is. Macedonians are though. A genetic study recently conducted on the territory of the Balkans has revealed that Serbs, "Macedonians", and Romanians are genetically identical. Genetic material of Bulgarians differs by about 40%. I have the info stashed somewhere. I'll have to dig it up.
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Now Romanians are also Serbs? Is Romanian a dialect of Serbian as well?

--- Quote ---It's too late for that now. Serbs should have thought of that centuries ago. The damage has been done. Besides, you said Macedonian is Bulgarian. That's saying the opposite.
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I'm saying that Macedonians are a mix of mostly non-slavic people who speak a language closer to Bulgarian than Serbian. For example, Tose Proeski. He was a Tzintzar, declaring as Macedonian. Toma Fila, the famous attorney, also a Tzintzar from Macedonia, declares himself as a Serb.

crnitrn:

--- Quote from: Zelhar on January 07, 2011, 08:20:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: crnitrn on January 07, 2011, 06:18:59 AM ---Lets ask our friend Zelhar to describe unlike and similarity between ancient Hebrew and, modern Hebrew,Tiberian Hebrew or Masoretic Hebrew,Mishnaic Hebrew,Amoraic Hebrew (also called Late Rabbinic Hebrew or Mishnaic Hebrew II),Samaritan Hebrew language,Ashkenazi Hebrew,Sephardi Hebrew,Mizrahi Hebrew or Oriental Hebrew,Yemenite Hebrew...even more a Yiddish language! Are this  languages of Jews people?

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Ancient Hebrew texts, and medieval texts etc. are fairly easy to read since the grammar is just a little different and most of the words are still in use in modern Hebrew. As a spoken language it is harder to understand somebody who speaks in a different pronunciation like Ashkenazi or Yemeni since they are quite different from modern pronounciation which is based mostly on Sephardi pronunciation.

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Thank you Zelhar, i asked that you can  understand situation about serbian dialect! Croats,Bosnians,Montenegrians and Macedonians its very similar to hebrew situation !

voo-yo:

--- Quote ---Linguistically speaking they aren't, although there are many Serbian words in the Romanian language and Cyrillic was their alphabet until the second half of the 19th century. But we have the same genetic makeup. Bulgarians are linguistically Serbian, but they're Asian.
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Romanians who live close to Serbia speak a Romanian language influenced by Serbian, just like Serbs close to Bulgaria are influenced by Bulgarian. There are also Bulgarians in western Bulgaria who speak a mix of Bulgarian and Serbian. It's not a big mystery, languages are mixed in border areas.
I don't see how we would have the same genetic makeup as Romanians. They aren't Slavic at all.

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--- Quote ---I'm saying that Macedonians are a mix of mostly non-slavic people who speak a language closer to Bulgarian than Serbian.
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Well you're wrong on that one. If you substituted the word "Bulgarians" for "Macedonians" the statement would be correct.
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Could you clear that up a bit? You want me to write:
I'm saying that Macedonians are a mix of mostly non-slavic people who speak a language closer to Macedonian than Serbian?
That would make no sense at all.

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