Sarah, I thought that you would know this.
There are Mecca Surahs and Medinah Surahs.
The Mecca Surahs were pre-Hijrah when Mohamed thought that the Jews would immediately convert to his religion if he said nice things about Jews.
Those are the Mecca Surahs.
When Mohamed realized that they weren't buying his new religion, he said all of "Kill the Jews" stuff.
Those are the Medinah Surahs.
Mohamed was a charlatan, who lied when it served his interests and killed when served his interests.
Because the Quran is so wildly contradictory, there is a concept of Quranic abrogation based on the following verse in Qur'an 2:106 "When we cancel a Verse or throw it into oblivion, We replace it with a better one." .
This means that if two Quran verses contradict each other, the earlier one is discarded. Since the Mecca Surahs were earlier, the Medinah Surahs are the ones that count, according to Islam.
Meaning, that your peaceful Imam is not a muslim if he thinks that the Mecca Surahs are the ones to go by.
I'm sorry to say this, but your peaceful Imam is perverting Islam and Osama Bin Laden is upholding Islam. Ahmadinejad is a true beleiver and your Imam is not. He's perverting Islam.
Ask your imam about this verse Qur'an 2:106 "When we cancel a Verse or throw it into oblivion, We replace it with a better one." And ask your self why Allah is so scatterbrained that he needed to continually abrogate verses and throw into oblivion parts of the Quran which Muslims claim was written before the world was created.
Thank you for your explanations Judeaoncapta and i have an arguement/example for the verse that maybe you could disprove, please.
From the Quran that is in front of me right now-a translated version by Pickthall- the verse reads:
"Such of Our revalations as We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?"
The Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years, 13 years of Makki revelation and 10 of Madani, like you stated. Each revelation of the Quran was sent as a warning or message for that particular time e.g. if there was trouble going on. As time moved on, the nation began to change and different events and behaviour occured and so initial revelations were replaced by similar verses when things that disrupted the message of Islam happened. E.g
An example that is often used to show the topic of abrogation as relevant and true in the Quran is the topic of wine drinking. In early Islam, wine drinking and gambling were allowed - Surah 2:219:
"They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider-"
From this ayah it was taught that drinking and gambling could provide a benefit and also have bad effects. To identify that the practice of drinking wine was not uncommon among Muslims, another ayah was revealed that forbade the Muslims to come to prayer drunk.
Surah 4:43:
"O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again."
During the battle of Uhud a number of Muslims were killed, some of whom had alcoholic drinks the morning of the battle.
Then the ayah Surah 5:93 was revealed to stop drinking wine.
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (Dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, - of Satan’s handiwork: Eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
Finally an ayah is revealed that considers drinking an abomination and to be avoided. Thus, this put an end to drinking being allowed in Islam.
However God has predestined our future and therefore would know that such a thing would happen if he had already seen such plans, this confuses me that why wasn't it set forth in the first place. It is also linked with the revelation over a period of time..........
Thats why with the Torah being sent down straight away on tablets it could be easily said that such a thing could not have been produced by any human so fast with such detail!
With the Quran there could possibly be the fact that it took so much time to be "revealed" because the scribes needed time to come up with the words and write it etc.
However there is also a language element that is unexplained about the Quran. With the Arabic language there are 16 sections in which EVERY single sentence structure will come under- come under one of the sections only. Thus one could classify a piece of writing or style under one section. The Quran however cannot be fitted into a single section itself and is a combination of all sixteen spread out. This is virtually impossible to imitate without using the exact same words, many people have tried to produce or write verses in such a way but cannot, no human can.
The Imam seems oblivious to such verses in the Quran that has been said to call for the killing of disbelievers.
You also said that the earlier surah would be discarded but it isn't the surah that was contradictory but just the verse itself.
Thank you Judeaoncapta.
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