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Asking advice of Tzaddik (* What NOT to do)
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on October 21, 2012, 05:14:54 PM --- Did I ever contest that? Sorry, but I often feel by your replies that you put words in my mouth saying as if I said a b or c and didn't say a b or c.
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I am sorry Tag, I have no personal issue with you... I fully believe that you have no ulterior motives at this time, but let me be honest in saying I have felt otherwise previously. I really do feel close to both you and KWRBT because of the depth of discussions we have here. I do spend a lot of my life dedicated to JTF, and a friend was saying she thought I spent too much time here. These discussions do have an impact on my spirit, and when we have disagreements I truly feel bad about it. I am sometimes a tough guy but I am also a very emotional guy too.
I really respect your opinion and I apologize if I was accusing you of only attacking the Ashkenazi.
Yes, if he says that we should consult with dead rabbis then he is veering off the path which I have learned, and from my better judgement.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on October 21, 2012, 05:17:59 PM ---This whole "Tzaddik, Tzaddik, Tzaddik" connection and obsession does and will lead to something like this that I just got on youtube. That is where ChaBad is unfortunately leading to. Just wait in a few generations what will happen (G-D forbid).
Did you know that Jesus is your King Jew?
Did you know that Jesus also is G-d in human flesh?
Did you also know that Jesus said that he is the Sabbath?
Who made is Sabbath?
You Orthodox Jews, you reject Jesus because Jesus said he is the Sabbath and made a claim he is G-d. You Orthodox Jews have to accept Jesus your King king of humanity because you Jews are Gods people why are you Disobedient to G-d?
That's why you Jews get prosecuted in all those many thousand of years.
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I don't quite understand what you are trying to say in this post. Who wrote that? Is this a comment on a youtube video?
Chabad does not teach that Rebbe was Moshiach. We all say the Amidah and pray for the coming of Moshiach, the restoration of the Kingdom of David. I have studied with Chabad and the only sources I have learned have all roots in Jewish sources. I have not studied Tanya though, although my friends who have said it, like Rabbi Nachmans Likutie Moran, is just commentaries on the Talmud.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 21, 2012, 05:20:08 PM ---I don't quite understand what you are trying to say in this post. Who wrote that? Is this a comment on a youtube video?
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Yes, I was debating with Muslims and some Christian (supposedly I dont know) wrote that. Look at the link. I just read it soo I though why not share it with you. At the end of the day a person is a person. We can look up to certain individuals who accomplish great things. But to then deify people, they are people, mortals. The 1 and only 1 true G-D is immortal, is the Creator and Sustainer of the world. Is the 1 to who'm Worship is owed to exclusively.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on October 21, 2012, 05:22:45 PM ---
Yes, I was debating with Muslims and some Christian (supposedly I dont know) wrote that. Look at the link. I just read it soo I though why not share it with you.
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Mercy,
I think I know exactly how you feel. I posted something on a Chabad youtube video and got into a four day quarrel with some Christian who was talking about Blood Sacrifice and claiming we were not the "REAL JEWS" which the Bible talks about.
We are attacked by virtually every other religion, while we are the ones keeping the Torah... They read into it other things which are not there. Obviously not all Christians believe this {replacement theology} but their beliefs can be unsettling to us.
I do not feel that Chabad will lead us to this belief in a dead moshiach. My personal experience with the Chabad organization has been one of Torah. They do talk of their Rebbe, as the master of the Chiddush (hidden secrets) of the Torah. They do talk about great things he did, which I agree he did great things in putting together an organization which has done much good in this world. But they have not made me engage in their minhagim, they respect my minhagim, and they do not teach me to worship the Chabad Rebbe. I have much respect for him, and I believe he was a tzadik, so maybe I am a little more understanding of them.
Indeed I am aware there are Meshichists, but they are obviously the smallest minority {at least in all the Chabad Rabbis I have met over Shabbat lunch}. I have consulted with my Modern Orthodox Rabbi to see if there is something to be concerned with concerning the Chabad organization and I was told not to worry.
So I understand standing up against those who teach or do things against the Torah. And I support you in your effort to clarify Jewish observance of Mitzvot by questioning certain practices. I hope that you don't let those youtube comments get to you. I ended up telling the guys I said what I had to say, and lets leave it at that... I ignored his responses for two days after that before he gave up posting...
Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on October 21, 2012, 05:13:27 PM ---
I'm not going to watch the video now. You can watch it again. and about his "life after death" experience. I have to tell you that I do not believe in his story. What he says is taken from places like the Zohar and Midrashim he could have easily known these things, put them together and just say this story to the public. No real solid proof. Besides when i started challenging him he banned me and usually an honest person would not ban others when they question them.
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I totally believe in these near death experiences! How do people all over the world throughout time have the same experiences? Where did the story come from, it had to come from somewhere, so at the least it has happened once. I have even heard of people having these experiences without a near death experience. Are they all lying?
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