To Chaim and the forum.

[Lisa]

The evidence shows that the entirety of Satmar leadership is evil. You could substitute Lutheranism or any other such group. They certainly showed evil behavior in this case.

My advice to Satmar that are not evil zombies is to leave this cult. Chaim would agree with this.

You see, that's the thing. I'm not a Lutheran or any other type of Christian.  I'm a Jew.  So I don't think it would be my place to say anything about Lutheranism in general (except for Martin Luther being a vicious anti-Semite). 

[Every Jew AK47]

I read the thread about the Satmar Rebbe being convicted of pedophilia/rape.    I can understand why Tag-Mehir is so pissed off.  ChaimFan, I do respect you and your support and zeal.  But now I am going to reverse myself a little, just as Jews must show sensitivity to offending non-Jews, we must also understand that non-Jews must be cautious not to offend JEwish members, even if they have good intentions.  I know your intentions were good, but you have to realize the sensitive issue here about making war with a group of Orthodox Jews (even if they hate Israel and tried covering up what they did).  Don't forget many of the people who tried covering up for this bad rabbi were probably also trying to hide the shame/disgrace from their community which will be amplified by the media a 100 times.

Do you realize how much the media trashes and insults Orthodox Jews?   Orthodox JEws are criminalized for every little thing they do.  They will take this crime of the Satmar Rabbi and now use it is as propaganda to show how evil all Orthodox Jews are.  Remember how the media started demonizing the Charedim in Israel just because they tried enforcing laws of decency?  Some Charedi spit on a Jewish girl for dressing inappropriately.  So what did the Jew-hating media do?  They broadcasted all over the world at how religious Jews are massacring innocent women and showed them spitting on this Jewish girl.   This same stupid, biased, Jew-hating media never reports the fact that Muslim men slice their 9-year old daughters throats because they fear she was looking at a man and it may give the father/brothers a bad reputation.  Women are raped and murdered in Muslim countries all the time.  In Russia and parts of Eastern Europe, women are victims of horrible spousal abuse from their intoxicated husbands and sold into prostitution.  All this never makes the news!  No...  When a Muslim or non-Jew commits such a bad act, it may be mentioned and will be forgotten.  When a Jew, especially religious, is caught doing some thing bad, it is the end of the world and the world screams out its condemnation. 

Do you see the double-standard?

I also don't think the bad actions of this rabbi means Satmars are all abusers of women.  There has been plenty of other religions (won't name names) where children were molested, raped and young girls and boys were taken advantage.  Would you blame all the people of being abusers of women by the actions of these few men? 

I am just asking you, as I asked Muman before, to be aware of the sensitivities.   We Jews are blamed and insulted all the time and perhaps it may be in your best interests to take a few steps back and try to present yourself in a manner that would be more understanding of this situation.  I know you mean well, but that would explain why Tag is upset and I understand his frustration.

You see, that's the thing. I'm not a Lutheran or any other type of Christian.  I'm a Jew.  So I don't think it would be my place to say anything about Lutheranism in general (except for Martin Luther being a vicious anti-Semite).

Agreed, I utterly hate Martin Luther and do not hesitate to tell anybody, even Lutherans my feelings about him.  Do I hate Lutherans, no!   But, many are not aware that Martin Luther was the actual father of the Holocaust and was the main inspiration of Adolf Hitler.  Luther devastated the Jewish community in Germany and brought so much hardships to the Jewish people.   Sometimes you do just have to be open about a few things, even if they do offend.

[muman613]

I have posted about Martin Luthers Jew hatred and Richard Wagners Jew hatred before... They were the tools used by the Nazis to whip up the Holocaust against 2/3 of European Jewry....

See from last year : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,60720.msg541181.html#msg541181


Here Mr Martin Luther gets a 'hearty' Yemach Shemo from me : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,56795.msg514551.html#msg514551

excerpt from above link

Luther was the most widely read author of his generation, and he acquired the status of a prophet within Germany.[208] According to the prevailing view among historians,[209] his anti-Jewish rhetoric contributed significantly to the development of antisemitism in Germany,[210] and in the 1930s and 1940s provided an "ideal underpinning" for the National Socialists' attacks on Jews.[211] Reinhold Lewin writes that "whoever wrote against the Jews for whatever reason believed he had the right to justify himself by triumphantly referring to Luther." According to Michael, just about every anti-Jewish book printed in the Third Reich contained references to and quotations from Luther. Heinrich Himmler wrote admiringly of his writings and sermons on the Jews in 1940.[212] The city of Nuremberg presented a first edition of On the Jews and their Lies to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, on his birthday in 1937; the newspaper described it as the most radically anti-Semitic tract ever published.[213

See also : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,52734.msg494121.html#msg494121

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I view Satmarism as the Jewish equivalent of Lutheranism. Are all members of these "religions" evil? No, but certainly the leadership (then and now) and the philosophy behind them are and both are drenched in Jewish blood. I have nothing against members of both that do not know any better, but they should leave these evil cults.

[muman613]

Richard Wagner (Yemach Shemo) provided the soundtrack to much of the Nazi propaganda...

Here I posted some information on this Amalekite:

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,56464.msg512273.html#msg512273

And here is more information :

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Wagner-and-Hitler.html

excerpt from above link
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Chamberlain’s claim is that in order to preserve its eternal existence, the Jew must use the resources of the populations in which he lives, while depleting their sources of vitality. Another argument, in line with Wagner’s claim in his Judaism in Music, is that the Jew is inherently endowed with a lack of creative imagination and limited production capability; therefore his resources are directed to undermining the foundations of the master race. Based on these arguments, Hitler dubbed Chamberlain “the prophet of the Third Reich.”

Wagner Fest

Chamberlain was not only an ideological anti-Semite whose writings helped consolidate Nazi ideology, but also Richard Wagner’s son-in-law; Wagner’s daughter, Eva, married Chamberlain in 1908.

In 1882, after attending the festival in Bayreuth, Chamberlain corresponded with Cosima via letters and, later, became an enthusiastic admirer of Wagner and his anti-Semitic writings. It was not long before Chamberlain produced a biography of Wagner that interprets and preserves Wagner’s anti-Semitic doctrine.

Chamberlain’s works tailored the national atmosphere spreading throughout Germany in 1914 and after.

When the Wagner Festival was held in 1924 in post-WWI Bayreuth, the swastika was already raised (in the presence of General Erich Ludendorff, the brain behind the Beerhouse Putsch) above the impressive opera building that was founded to glorify the name and legacy of Wagner.

To sum up: While Wagner did not directly cause Hitler’s anti-Semitism, it is undoubted that his social circles, that of Liszt, his wife Cosima, his son-in-law Chamberlain and his acquaintance Gobineau, were important and influential members in the new, “scientific” anti-Semitism of the 19th century, which directly influenced Hitler and the Nazis. What’s more, it is clear that Wagner was not merely a passive recipient of their theories, but actively added to them in his own writings, independently of their work.
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[muman613]

I view Satmarism as the Jewish equivalent of Lutheranism. Are all members evil of these "religions" evil? No, but certainly the leadership (then and now) and the philosophy behind it is and both are drenched in Jewish blood. I have nothing against members of both that do not know any better, but they should leave these evil cults.

HUH?

You don't know what the hell you are talking about...

There is a HELL of a difference between inciting Christians to shed Jewish blood in the name of their 'savior' and Satmar... Only an imbecile would say something like that. One thing I can say for you WFMTC is that you say some F'd up stuff...

You sure talk a big game don't you.... Sometimes I think you need a little potch now and again..

[muman613]

I view Satmarism as the Jewish equivalent of Lutheranism. Are all members of these "religions" evil? No, but certainly the leadership (then and now) and the philosophy behind them are and both are drenched in Jewish blood. I have nothing against members of both that do not know any better, but they should leave these evil cults.

Not that it will do anything but I reported this post to the moderator.... You are such an imbecile quite often..

[muman613]

Sometimes I think you are here to drive all the faithful Jews away from JTF... The idiotic things you say, comparing a Chassidic group to the religious leader who whipped up Europe in a frenzy in an attempt to exterminate Jews. You have no shame... And as ChabadKahanist points out your hatred of Satmar is incidental to this case, because technically this guy is not even a Satmar yid... But that makes no difference because we are all Jews with big noses, hats, and beards... Yeah, I think Tag got you on that one...

You can care less that the Great EveryJewA44 tried to speak words of wisdom to you... But you have nothing but space between your ears, and only hear 'Yemach Shemo' 'Yemach Shemo' 'Yemach Shemo' 'Dirty Jew'..... Chutzpah!

In my opinion YOU are the one who deserves to go into Time Out again...

[Every Jew AK47]

Not that it will do anything but I reported this post to the moderator.... You are such an imbecile quite often..

Think I am going to have to agree with Muman on this one..  You cannot compare the Satmar Jews to the evils done by Martin Luther and his followers which in the end resulted in the extermination of half the Jewish race.   I can thank Martin Luther for the murder of all my relatives in my grandmothers village in Belarus who were forced to dig their own graves before being shot to death with their babies crying in their arms.   The Satmar have their flaws, but they are not entirely worse than other religious groups.   They are still Jewish brothers, some who have lost their way,  and except for the NK goons, I know many of them are good people.

[Sveta]

This is in regards to a previous post about cursing others and telling a member that he could not understand because he is not Jewish.

I post this just to give an example. This is from the bedtime Shema:

Master of the Universe, I hereby forgive anyone who angered or antagonized me or who sinned against me – whether against my body, my property, my honor or against anything of mine; whether he did so accidentally, willfully, carelessly, or purposely; whether through speech, deed, thought, or notion; whether in this transmigration or another transmigration – I forgive every Jew. May no man be punished because of me.

So it points the important of forgiveness. Not to say to be pushovers but within reasonable limits- forgive each other, love one another.

[muman613]

This is in regards to a previous post about cursing others and telling a member that he could not understand because he is not Jewish.

I post this just to give an example. This is from the bedtime Shema:

So it points the important of forgiveness. Not to say to be pushovers but within reasonable limits- forgive each other, love one another.

Very good IsraeliHeart, actually we also say something like this during the Amidah (The Standing/18 Blessing) prayer...

It comes from Talmud Berachot where we learn the following (excerpt):

http://halakhah.com/berakoth/berakoth_17.html

Raba on concluding his prayer added the following: My God, before I was formed I was not worthy [to be formed], and now that I have been formed I am as if I had not been formed. I am dust in my lifetime, all the more in my death. Behold I am before Thee like a vessel full of shame and confusion. May it be Thy will, O Lord my God, that I sin no more, and the sins I have committed before Thee wipe out in Thy great mercies, but not through evil chastisements and diseases! This was the confession of R. Hamnuna Zuti on the Day of Atonement.4

Mar the son of Rabina on concluding his prayer added the following: My God, keep my tongue from evil and my lips from speaking guile. May my soul be silent to them that curse me and may my soul be as the dust to all. Open Thou my heart in Thy law, and may my soul pursue Thy commandments, and deliver me from evil hap, from the evil impulse and from an evil woman and from all evils that threaten to come upon the world. As for all that design evil against me, speedily annul their counsel and frustrate their designs!5  May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable before Thee, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer!6

When R. Shesheth kept a fast, on concluding his prayer he added the following: Sovereign of the Universe, Thou knowest full well that in the time when the Temple was standing, if a man sinned he used to bring a sacrifice, and though all that was offered of it was its fat and blood, atonement was made for him therewith. Now I have kept a fast and my fat and blood have diminished. May it be Thy will to account my fat and blood which have been diminished as if I had offered them before Thee on the altar, and do Thou favour me.7

According to my Siddur (prayer book) we go by the way of Mar Son of Rabina...

[Sveta]

Thank you for adding that Muman.

And it is based on these prayers that I feel uncomfortable with cursing others. I know some people are evil, the erev rav. But I will leave them to Hashem to be the judge of them. I just don't like hearing Jews cursing each other. But I know that we get angry at the evildoers, the leftists who cause more trouble to the world. I know the emotions we feel so when people curse others, I would rather stay out of it.

[muman613]

Thank you for adding that Muman.

And it is based on these prayers that I feel uncomfortable with cursing others. I know some people are evil, the erev rav. But I will leave them to Hashem to be the judge of them. I just don't like hearing Jews cursing each other. But I know that we get angry at the evildoers, the leftists who cause more trouble to the world. I know the emotions we feel so when people curse others, I would rather stay out of it.

I will say it like Chaim says it... We must hate evil, and in order to hate evil we must be able to curse it....

This is why, as my previous post a few years ago brought out, the one who wrote the 'Curse' in the Amidah against the informers happened to also be the Talmudic Rabbi known for his saying 'Do not rejoice in the downfall of your enemy'.... That is right, the same guy who wrote that also wrote the prayer for the complete destruction of the Jewish informer....

I will again say that there is a TIME and a PLACE for every emotion and action. A time for peace, a time for war, a time for love and a time for hate.... The real key to Jewish understanding is knowing when the right time for each of this is...

See http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/ch4-24.html

"Shmuel (Sh-moo-ail) the Small said, 'At your enemy's fall do not rejoice, and when he stumbles let your heart not be joyous, lest the L-rd see and be displeased and turn back His anger from him [to you]' (Proverbs 24:17-18)."
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I heard R. Zev Leff, noted scholar and lecturer of Moshav Matisyahu, Israel (Rabbileff.net), adds a valuable twist to this. Not everyone can quote a verse in Proverbs. Quoting it implies it is something I live up to and identify with. Unfortunately, we all learn many things which we accept and admire intellectually, but which cannot be said to be a part of us. We should always speak gently, we should pray with fervor, we should see ourselves as constantly standing before G-d. Might even be a tad hypocritical for us to go about pontificating about such things. Shmuel the Small, however, (and as the Jerusalem Talmud (Sotah 9:13) writes, his "smallness" was not a physical shortcoming; his humility led him to behave with "smallness") was one who thoroughly lived the verse in Proverbs, so much so that Solomon's statement was his as well -- one he could state as an expression of his own essence.

R. Leff continued that this is evidenced in another incident which involved Shmuel. The Talmud records that it was Shmuel who, at the behest of the Sages, inserted into the daily Shemoneh Esrai prayer a supplication asking for the destruction of heretics (Brachos 28b). Why was he chosen for the task -- and did he rise to it? Precisely because he was one who didn't really want it. Since Shmuel took no pleasure in the downfall of Israel's enemies -- other than that it was a necessary step in the restoration of G-d's Throne, he could author a prayer asking G-d for just that. When he taught us to beseech that G-d "uproot, smash, cast down, and humble the wanton sinners speedily in our days," he did not have destruction and retribution in mind. His sole interest was that the honor of G-d's sacred Name be restored, and that those who will never recognize G-d through His benevolence will know it through His justice.

[Sveta]

Wow thanks for sharing the great post, Muman.

Yes I agree with hating evil. It must be hated. When it comes to an evil person, I hate those who are evil. At the same time, it's not in my nature to start cursing them. I feel mostly sad for them, for the evil they cause. Disappointed and sad, upset. I leave the cursing part to others. For the most part, I am uncomfortable with just cursing anyone. If it is someone who does good and some bad why would I want the person to be cursed? If it's someone completely evil- so evil that we are able to judge them as such then yes. But I just believe that sometimes, we cannot be the final and true judges of everyone. There are other people, Jewish people who are observant, do good deeds etc.. and when they make a mistake or some errors then we are going to curse them so that their names and memory be obliterated? Hashem will judge if He will punish and then reward them for the merits they achieved. So my point is that I am uncomfortable with the cursing based on the fact that I don't know the people we as a forum curse are completely evil. Completely erev rav or people with just disagreements and so on. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I read the thread about the Satmar Rebbe being convicted of pedophilia/rape.    I can understand why Tag-Mehir is so pissed off.  ChaimFan, I do respect you and your support and zeal.  But now I am going to reverse myself a little, just as Jews must show sensitivity to offending non-Jews, we must also understand that non-Jews must be cautious not to offend JEwish members, even if they have good intentions.  I know your intentions were good, but you have to realize the sensitive issue here about making war with a group of Orthodox Jews (even if they hate Israel and tried covering up what they did).  Don't forget many of the people who tried covering up for this bad rabbi were probably also trying to hide the shame/disgrace from their community which will be amplified by the media a 100 times.

Let's get something clear here, nechemia weberman is not the satmar rebbe and is not even a rabbi.  He wasn't a licensed therapist either.  No credentials at all except lifetime prisoner now.


I can't help but feel that if CF was at fault here then so was I.  But other than the nature of the thread and some things each of us said being interpreted as inflammatory (and therefore maybe not necessary to post here?  I don't know) I honestly don't find fault with anything I said there.  Maybe I'm misguided.

Why is it that so many are piling on CF but not rebuking me?  Quite positively in my mind, the response to me has been logical debate and I appreciate that.  But why has the response to CF been more akin to an attack against him?

Now to CF, you said in this thread people should leave the satmar sect.  But there are many sociological factors which make that almost impossible to do, for the vast majority of members.  Furthermore it has many positive qualities and certain aspects are good old fashioned Judaism, that even if a member took issue with the leadership or in rare cases is bothered by the antizionist stance, it is not necessarily reason to just altogether "leave" and adopt a different culture.  This is very complicated.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

This is in regards to a previous post about cursing others and telling a member that he could not understand because he is not Jewish.

I post this just to give an example. This is from the bedtime Shema:

So it points the important of forgiveness. Not to say to be pushovers but within reasonable limits- forgive each other, love one another.

Except I think its not halachically required to say that passage and regardless of that, there are definitely cases which do not apply at all to that statement!  One of which would be abuse but really anything where the person who wronged you never did teshuvah.  There is no need to forgive without repentance.

[muman613]

Let's get something clear here, nechemia weberman is not the satmar rebbe and is not even a rabbi.  He wasn't a licensed therapist either.  No credentials at all except lifetime prisoner now.


I can't help but feel that if CF was at fault here then so was I.  But other than the nature of the thread and some things each of us said being interpreted as inflammatory (and therefore maybe not necessary to post here?  I don't know) I honestly don't find fault with anything I said here.  Maybe I'm misguided.

KWRBT,

You said nothing which was inflamatory. You wouldn't say Satmar is worse or as bad as Martin Luther, whose ideology assisted Hitler in bringing the Shoah.... I believe you made the case against this guy, in my opinion... I don't think anyone is defending this guy... At least I know I am not, and I did not see Tag say anything besides giving the benefit of the doubt because he questions the prosecution... I am not going to put words in his mouth, he can explain it himself.... But basically I see that you have said nothing wrong...

What you said supports Chaims statement... So I don't think you should be concerned about upsetting anyone (at least not me)...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Not that it will do anything but I reported this post to the moderator.... You are such an imbecile quite often..

Good luck with that.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Think I am going to have to agree with Muman on this one..  You cannot compare the Satmar Jews to the evils done by Martin Luther and his followers which in the end resulted in the extermination of half the Jewish race.   I can thank Martin Luther for the murder of all my relatives in my grandmothers village in Belarus who were forced to dig their own graves before being shot to death with their babies crying in their arms.   The Satmar have their flaws, but they are not entirely worse than other religious groups.   They are still Jewish brothers, some who have lost their way,  and except for the NK goons, I know many of them are good people.

Jews like the Satmar leadership enabled the Holocaust by convincing Jewry not to flee to the Holy Land or fight back against their murderers. They also encourage Nazi hatred against their fellow Jews. Just as bad in my eyes.

[Sveta]

Except I think its not halachically required to say that passage and regardless of that, there are definitely cases which do not apply at all to that statement!  One of which would be abuse but really anything where the person who wronged you never did teshuvah.  There is no need to forgive without repentance.

Oh, I'm sorry I was not talking about the case of the Satmar abuse. That counselor is just vile. I don't know how abuse would ever be forgivable.

I was talking about other situations.
No need to forgive without repentance. Yes but it doesn't hurt in some minor situations. For example.... at my shul I signed up for a ladies event. I opted to pay at the door, and I gave the lady in charge my payment in her hand. A few weeks later she wrote me a message to thank me for participating and that they were still waiting for payment!!
Wow I was very upset for a few minutes! How could they have ignored my payment. But I didn't feel like fighting because it was my only shul. So I remembered the bedtime Shema. Yes I paid again. In fact I considered my first payment a donation. Maybe one day the lady will realize her mistake and may say she is sorry. Who knows. But I forgave her completely for it.

[Every Jew AK47]

Let's get something clear here, nechemia weberman is not the satmar rebbe and is not even a rabbi.  He wasn't a licensed therapist either.  No credentials at all except lifetime prisoner now.


I can't help but feel that if CF was at fault here then so was I.  But other than the nature of the thread and some things each of us said being interpreted as inflammatory (and therefore maybe not necessary to post here?  I don't know) I honestly don't find fault with anything I said there.  Maybe I'm misguided.

Why is it that so many are piling on CF but not rebuking me?  Quite positively in my mind, the response to me has been logical debate and I appreciate that.  But why has the response to CF been more akin to an attack against him?

Now to CF, you said in this thread people should leave the satmar sect.  But there are many sociological factors which make that almost impossible to do, for the vast majority of members.  Furthermore it has many positive qualities and certain aspects are good old fashioned Judaism, that even if a member took issue with the leadership or in rare cases is bothered by the antizionist stance, it is not necessarily reason to just altogether "leave" and adopt a different culture.  This is very complicated.

Thanks for the information KWRBT..   I don't think you did anything wrong at all..  Everything you said sounded fine..  I think you have as much right as anyone to condemn the evil actions committed by this man and to criticize the fallacies of the Satmars.  Nonetheless, I think there was certain extreme statements said, not by you, but by CF, that were a bit over-the-top and were a bit insensitive. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Thanks for the information KWRBT..   I don't think you did anything wrong at all..  Everything you said sounded fine..  I think you have as much right as anyone to condemn the evil actions committed by this man and to criticize the fallacies of the Satmars.  Nonetheless, I think there was certain extreme statements said, not by you, but by CF, that were a bit over-the-top and were a bit insensitive.

Chaim said that I was over the top to call Satmarism a murderous Nazi death cult and he was right. I will not say that any more.

As for comparing it to Lutheranism, I do believe I gave a legitimate explanation.

[muman613]

Jews like the Satmar leadership enabled the Holocaust by convincing Jewry not to flee to the Holy Land or fight back against their murderers. They also encourage Nazi hatred against their fellow Jews. Just as bad in my eyes.

Chaim has expressed his opinion and I respect it.... But do you realize that they believed that the only way the Jews would succeed in the Holy Land was by a religious Jewish movement and not via a secular zionist government. Again I am not expressing my own views, I am certainly 100% in the Religious Zionist Kahane camp which I believe is the right camp to be in. But for a moment think about the idea that if the Jews violated the Oaths it would bring it's own Holocaust. Is this possible?

I can see a religious reason why they would be against following the secular government into the land. It is not because they love the arab, but because they didn't think it was the right time for the redemption. There are times I have heard some people here express this idea, that the Jewish people (especially those in Israel) are not prepared for the Final Redemption and thus we can see why self-hating peace-now types are sprouting like flies. Without a 'fundamental Jewish' foundation the Jewish state is weak.... But I believe in the strength of the Jewish soul, and that even some of those leftists and secular kids really have a Jewish neshama waiting to be uncovered...

This is why JTF must work to help improve the image of religious Jews of all kinds...

[muman613]

Chaim said that I was over the top to call Satmarism a murderous Nazi death cult and he was right. I will not say that any more.

As for comparing it to Lutheranism, I do believe I gave a legitimate explanation.

No you didn't. There is no way to compare a religious system which called for the extermination of Jews in Europe to a Chassidic Jewish sect. And nobody, especially you DBF, has provided any evidence that they were responsible for the death of Jews in the Shoah. I have read quite a bit about how the Satmar were saved from Bergen Belsen...

Here is the account from Wikipedia:

World War II period

Many Satmar Hasidim were dispersed or murdered during World War II and the Holocaust, though the group's destruction was less complete than many other Hasidic dynasties. Although widespread shootings and deportations had already killed 70,000 Jews under Ferenc Szálasi's Arrow Cross regime, which took over power from Miklós Horthy's and allied with Nazi Germany, the first deportations of Jews and death marches to the extermination camps in Hungary did not begin until the spring of 1944, when 436,000 Jews were rounded up by the Hungarian authorities and German SS Troops in 56 days from May through July and deported to Auschwitz.

In June 1944, Teitelbaum became one of a group of some 1,685 people whose release from Hungary was negotiated with Adolf Eichmann by the Zionist leader Rudolf Kastner, who had negotiated the escape of a small group of people who were mostly Zionists but also included a number of prominent rabbis and wealthy Jews who, it is claimed, paid an exorbitant fee to be on the rescue train, nicknamed "Noah's ark". Teitelbaum and his wife were passengers on the Kastner train bound for Switzerland, which was re-routed to Bergen-Belsen for six months before being allowed to continue to the Swiss border as originally planned.

7 December 1944 (21st of Kislev 5705 in the Jewish calendar,) the day that Teitelbaum crossed the border into Switzerland and was saved from the Nazis, is celebrated to this day as a joyful holiday among Satmar Hasidim worldwide. After the war, Rabbi Teitelbaum spent time in the Displaced Persons camp of Feldafing, the first camp exclusively for Jewish ex-prisoners.[citation needed]

I will repost the things which the evil Martin Luther (Yemach Shemo) wrote about the Jewish people..

[muman613]

I will again say that Satmar is gravely wrong about Israel and the current state of Jewish redemption. The majority of gedolim whom I am aware of say unflinchingly that we are currently in the beginning stages of the final redemption. Only a handful of Jewish sects (Orthodox/Chassidic) oppose zionism. Aside from the 'deformed/conservative' branches who often fall on one side or the other (I know some reform who are pro-Zionist and some Conservative who are anti-Zionist) for the most part all Jews believe in the promise of the Jewish state and support it.

I rebuke them for their foolish rhetoric concerning the state of Israel. If it does cause Jewish harm they should be held accountable.