What Do You think of this possible solution concerning Charedi Civil Service?

[The One and Only Mo]

What if one Charedim was able to bring ten Jews back to Torah and Israel?

Great, but there are no guarantees. It's a very big risk.

[Lisa]

Lisa,

Joshua and King David were prophets of Hashem. Please tell me you realize that Bibi Netanyahu and his left-wing coalition are nowhere near the great men that Joshua and David Melech Yisrael were...

If the nation were led by the righteous redeemer, the Moshiach/Annointed One of Israel, I am sure that the Charedim would gladly join in the battle against Amalek and all the other nations which Hashem commands us to fight. But for the time being, most of these people do not believe that the secular Israeli leadership has an iota of Jewish soul(Torah And Mitzvot)  in it...

Muman, I'm not comparing the current Israeli regime to Joshua and Moses.  On the other hand, I should think religious Jews, Haredi or otherwise, would want to emulate Moshe Rabeinu and Joshua.  Where did this idea come from that good religious Jews are only supposed to study the Torah and Talmud and not fight in the army or work? 

Now I agree that the current regime in Israel is evil.  But I'm having a hard time believing that if there was a religious government, that the Haredis would join in the army.  (I know I'll most likely get criticized for this.)

[The One and Only Mo]

Muman, I'm not comparing the current Israeli regime to Joshua and Moses.  On the other hand, I should think religious Jews, Haredi or otherwise, would want to emulate Moshe Rabeinu and Joshua.  Where did this idea come from that good religious Jews are only supposed to study the Torah and Talmud and not fight in the army or work? 

Now I agree that the current regime in Israel is evil.  But I'm having a hard time believing that if there was a religious government, that the Haredis would join in the army.  (I know I'll most likely get criticized for this.)

Again, their view on work and army is not how we see it. It's the opposite. In their eyes, work and army are how we (outsiders) view learning all day. Learning Torah, in their eyes, is the most important thing for survival; for us, on the other hand, we can't survive without working. Different mindset. It's pointless to try and understand that life. It's the same thing as trying to understand what came before Bereishit, what will happen after we are gone, G-d's reasons for doing things, and whether or not G-d could build a tower so high that he can't reach.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I agree... People that spend the entire day doing religious observance should be official clergy that get room and board from whatever religious organization the become affiliated with... Where do people like this now get their money from? If they are a bit tired one day do they sleep in and get up when they are good and ready to face the day? It sort of sounds like a real good racket... Granted many of the people like this are very religious and highly motivated to do what they see as G-ds work however I am almost sure an equal number see it as an excuse to hang around all day and avoid getting real employment... Honestly seeing people hanging around all day while I would be hard at work would wear very thin on my nerves after a while... The least young people like this could do is serve their country in one capacity or another for the required time that everyone else is required to do.

 They are checked. If they miss even by a few minutes they and the whole Yeshiva is severely penalized. No one (unless they are completely independently sponsored or have some other source of income) just "hangs out". 

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Muman, I'm not comparing the current Israeli regime to Joshua and Moses.  On the other hand, I should think religious Jews, Haredi or otherwise, would want to emulate Moshe Rabeinu and Joshua.  Where did this idea come from that good religious Jews are only supposed to study the Torah and Talmud and not fight in the army or work? 

Now I agree that the current regime in Israel is evil.  But I'm having a hard time believing that if there was a religious government, that the Haredis would join in the army.  (I know I'll most likely get criticized for this.)

 Its a complicated issue. Rav Kahane writes about it as well. Their are situations where even a king (and a good one) cannot force a Jew to do anything including join in on the fighting. The reasoning is that we follow the King of all Kings over someone who is just a slave (even if he is a King here) in comparison to G-D). On the other hand real fighting and value of work is great and praiseworthy. It all depends on the individual. Some individuals are cut out for Limud Torah, others of work (and still some study as well) etc.


Also some of these intifadas have been inspired because of the non-religious. The Arabs are by no means innocent or anything, but they did and do draw their strength from the fact that their are non-religious Jews. For example a Jew (guard at a prision) disregarding the laws of Pessah and eating Chametz inspired one of the intifadas.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Good to see you back, Tag!

[muman613]

Shalom Tag... Good to see your back...

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Welcome back jerk! 

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Welcome back jerk! 

 Huh? You have been harassing me to come back now you say this?


 Yea I cooled down for a few days.

[Zelhar]

They are checked. If they miss even by a few minutes they and the whole Yeshiva is severely penalized. No one (unless they are completely independently sponsored or have some other source of income) just "hangs out".

Sure they do. Even the ones who don't exist except on fake registers.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

 Huh? You have been harassing me to come back now you say this?


 Yea I cooled down for a few days.

I was teasing, I'm glad you're back. Did you like all the messages?

[Manch]

Because the Joshuaic/Davidic IDF was not a kapo Nazi SS force...

Excellent point!