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Noachide prayer shawl?
newman:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on July 29, 2007, 03:48:17 AM ---Newman, you are very intelligent and what you say makes a lot of sense. It would be best in theory to have the Noahides in complete control of themselves and have Noahide priests but given that the Noahides were obliterated in the past 2000 years as you stated makes such a move risky and would have the same result. I understand now.
Do Noahides have their own congregations? I don't understand why they pray in a Jewish congregation as you suggest. Why would they do this?
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Because we are of the same faith. Noachides practice orthodox Judaism. They just do it as it applies to them. Let me explain:
You practice the same religion as a Cohen, but not the exact same way because you have different roles in life.
A Jewess practices the same religion as you but has different rules due to her different role.
Observent Jews are the world's priests. Noachide Chasids are the lay persons. Just as a franciscan monk and Paddy the plumber are of the same faith but have different roles and different rules but still share many.
Therefor it makes sense to pray in Jewish schulls. Perhaps the Rabbis could schedual different services for noachides if there is sufficient demand.
Gentiles can't read Torah aloud in a public forum, so we can't vert well perform our own services.
If all Jews were to make Aliyah, we would make do with private meetings. Presumably there will still be Jewish envoys and Rabbis travelling to the nations as advisors. I don't believe Jews are forbidden to travel outside of EY under Talmudic Law.
Shlomo:
I, personally, think that if I gentile wants to weat a prayer shawl or even eat kosher, all the more to them. They have no need to do this, of course, but if it makes them feel closer to Hashem, awesome.
I don't understand why some Rabbis tell gentiles they CAN'T do these things... that if it's Jewish law, they aren't allowed to do it. I don't understand this. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
newman:
--- Quote from: jeffguy on July 29, 2007, 11:14:45 AM ---I, personally, think that if I gentile wants to weat a prayer shawl or even eat kosher, all the more to them. They have no need to do this, of course, but if it makes them feel closer to Hashem, awesome.
I don't understand why some Rabbis tell gentiles they CAN'T do these things... that if it's Jewish law, they aren't allowed to do it. I don't understand this. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
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The only laws out of the 613 we can't perform are the ones that would amount to impersonating Jews, such as not kindling fires on Shabbos, growing peyott, recieving an aliyah at schull, wearing tzit tzit etc.
It's just like a regular Jew can't keep laws that only apply to Cohenim or Levitim etc and Jewish women can't keep laws that only apply to men.
A prayer shawl is not a problem as long as it's not a Jewish prayer shawl with tzit tzit.
My querie with this one is with the loud colours.
This might help explain:
http://www.geocities.com/~Alyza/noachide/noahrole.htm
Ehud:
I actually think that the prayer shawl is nice. I don't think most people at the synagogue would think you're a fag. Of course, it all comes down to what makes you comfortable and if you wouldn't feel comfortable wearing it you could always look for another one, I'm sure they're out there.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: newman on July 29, 2007, 01:59:38 AM ---This noachide prayer shawl was recently introduced at a noachide conference by Rabbi Tzvi Aviner. It has no tzit tzit and also differs from the Jewish type by having a rainbow trim to signify G_d's covenent with Noach.
Firstly, is this kosher? The colours seem a bit 'loud' for schull.
Secondly, as the rainbow has been hijacked by fagotts, peaceniks and anti-zionists of late, I am worried that wearing one of these in a synagogue may cause some to think I'm one of the afore mentioned undesirables. I don't want a punch in the head by a righteous Jew. Is there an alternate prayer shawl for noachides that doesn't violate halakha?
http://noahidenations.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=107&osCsid=bba92242e2ed0ecf28b7a44d05efd37f
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Looks like someone's trying to make a quick buck. $80! What a ripper. I don't think there is any significance whatsoever to wearing such a thing.
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