Worship the False Messiah : How could so many be fooled?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Several authorities on Sabbateanism, including Heinrich Graetz and Aleksander Kraushar, were skeptical of the existence of such a thing as a distinctive "Frankist" doctrine. According to Gershom Scholem, another authority on Sabbateanism, Kraushar had described Frank's sayings as "grotesque, comical and incomprehensible". In his classic essay "Redemption Through Sin", Scholem argued a different position, seeing Frankism as a later and more radical outgrowth of Sabbateanism.[9] In contrast, Jay Michaelson argues that Frankism was "an original theology that was innovative, if sinister" and was in many respects a departure from the earlier formulations of Sabbateanism. In traditional Sabbatean doctrine, Zevi and often his followers claimed to be able to liberate the sparks of holiness hidden within what seemed to be evil. According to Michaelson, Frank's theology asserted that the attempt to liberate the sparks of holiness was the problem, not the solution. Rather, Frank claimed that the mixing between holy and unholy was virtuous.[6] Netanel Lederberg claims that Frank had a Gnostic philosophy wherein there was a "true God" whose existence was hidden by a "false God". This "true God" could allegedly only be revealed through a total destruction of the social and religious structures created by the "false God", thus leading to a thorough antinomianism. For Frank, the very distinction between good and evil is a product of a world governed by the "false God". Lederberg compares Frank's position to that of Friedrich Nietzsche.[11]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism


The more radical branches even engaged in orgies.[10] In Frankism, orgies featured prominently in ritual.[2]

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

http://www.learnkabbalah.com/jacob_frank/

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I'm only posting these to let people know about frankist sabbatean beliefs.

[shai77]

Jacob Frank was very good from what I read.
He could have been a messiah had the time been right.
Fortunately I am here and I will continue in the legacy;
The act of fornicating with many women in broad day light or at night on the Temple mt.
Or in caves underneath the old city
Will hasten the redemption
We know the truth; The Lord of Israel is Part Evil and must be honored as such.
To drink a 40, smoke a blunt, dance and have sex on the Temple mt with numerous beautiful women is to become Adam HaRishon, the perfect man.
I am the one for the mission, to redeem the earth. Don't be fooled by imitators, I am the original hip hop messiah.


The Hip Hop Messiah

[Zelhar]

shai77, a rational rational person judges a person by their actions and choices above their taste in art and music.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Numbers 25:7

And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from the midst of the congregation, and took a spear in his hand.


Numbers 25:8

And he went after the man of Israel into the chamber, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Psalms 106:
28 They joined themselves also to Baal of Peor,
And ate sacrifices made to the dead.
29 Thus they provoked Him to anger with their deeds,
And the plague broke out among them.
30 Then Phinehas stood up and intervened,
And the plague was stopped.
31 And that was accounted to him for righteousness
To all generations forevermore.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

ish Publication Society tr. [1917], at sacred-texts.com

NUMBERS CHAPTER 25

1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to cormmit harlotry with the daughters of Moab. 2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods; and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. 3 And Israel joined himself unto the Baal of Peor; and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. 4 And the LORD said unto Moses: `Take all the chiefs of

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the people, and hang them up unto the LORD in face of the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may turn away from Israel.' 5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel: `Slay ye every one his men that have joined themselves unto the Baal of Peor.' 6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, while they were weeping at the door of the tent of meeting. 7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from the midst of the congregation, and took a spear in his hand. 8 And he went after the man of Israel into the chamber, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel. 9 And those that died by the plague were twenty and four thousand.

 

‏פינחס‎

10 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 11 `Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned My wrath away from the children of Israel, in that he was very jealous for My sake among them, so that I consumed not the children of Israel in My jealousy. 12 Wherefore say: Behold, I give unto him My covenant of peace; 13 and it shall be unto him, and to his seed after him, the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was jealous for his God, and made atonement for the children of Israel.' 14 Now the name of the man of Israel that was slain, who was slain with the Midianitish woman, was Zimri, the son of Salu, a prince of a fathers' house among the Simeonites. 15 And the name of the Midianitish woman that was slain was Cozbi, the daughter of Zur; he was head of the people of a fathers' house in Midian.

16 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 17 `Harass the Midianites, and smite them; 18 for they harass you, by their wiles wherewith they have beguiled you in the matter of Peor, and in the matter of Cozbi, the daughter of the prince of Midian, their sister, who was slain on the day of the plague in the matter of Peor.'

19 And it came to pass after the plague,

[shai77]

oh really?

It was friday evening around 8:30
I hopped in my car and drove to the pizza stand
and had a slice of pepperoni pizza
I was dressed nicely and headed towards a party
I put the led zeppelin mix tap in
and enjoyed the ride.
There was $20 worth of very good weed under my seat
I could smell it from 3 ft away.

So if you were judging a hebrew telling this story, which of these actions would effect
your judgement of them and how?

[shai77]

Miracles of Satan: How Satan Birthed Wisdom & Built The Holy Temple

It was sometime around 900 BCE
Satan decided he wanted his Temple to be built in Jerusalem;
There was a fellow named David who was strong and popular
in the Israelite clan.
He had the valor to do great deeds but
he lacked the wisdom and requisite desire to build the Temple in Jerusalem.
Therefore satan arranged a situation were he would see Bathsheba and through sin take her.
Their firstborn was taken by God to show he was upset over their sin
but their second child became the wisest and wealthiest man that ever lived
because secretly, God(Satan) didn't mind at all, was even happy with what David had done.
Without the hero, Satan, the monarchy would not have been formed.

Solomon made great marriage alliances
and managed a building project over $150 billion
Satan helped him and guided him every step of the way
so that Satan's temple project would be a success.
Solomon was only able to accomplish this task because he was
partly of Satan, of Sin. No other mortal could accomplish the task.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Well, they should be made to smoke weed till they can't handle it anymore, then make them smoke more. All while being beaten with pepperoni and being stoned with cheese blocks until they think they are dead.

It may just be me, but you remind of a character from a Henry Makow book...

[shai77]

We know the truth; Satan does have an attribute of greatness
I was the leader of the Temple orchestra in heaven until I fell to earth.
My musical spirit was corrupted during my sojourn among the gentiles
The only way true and Godly musical genius can be restored to Israel is via me, the hip hop messiah
I aim to conduct musical services on the Temple Mt
there will be my studio and all the great musicians of the earth will collaborate under my leadership;
Lions fear me and rulers of the earth cower in my presence;
The gold and virgins are mine.
All the children of the earth will visit and glorify father Shaitan
and my offspring shall rejoice.
I may obtain powers to heal and restore youth
allow time travel (fly backwards in time)
and to breath underwater.
You just have to believe, and join my cause.
The Hip Hop Messiah (me) leader of the hebrew satanist party is looking for supporters for knesset seats.
We are pro weed and pro temple and pro hip hop.
If you like weed, hip hop and want to see the temple built, then please consider supporting the hip hop messiah
with either financial contributions or prayers. I will also be considering your sisters, cousins and/or daughters for my harem; send pictures and proposals, what you want in return if my rise to power is a success.

[shai77]

Welcome back old friend.

Thank you. I would like to go inside the place where the dome of the rock now stands and live alone for 40 days to obtain my full musical and healing powers so that I can bless my followers using supernatural powers. I would like establish my kingdom on earth and bring about the redemption of humanity and the resurrection of the dead if I can withstand the heat and pressure while I converse and negotiate with the supreme deity.

The Hebrew Satanist movement has a new vision for the middle east.

I need a serious group of supporters within Israel and around the world. The hip hop messiah does not condemn intermarriage and encourages the in-grafting of gentiles into the new republic of satan extending from the nile to the euphrates, inclusive of hebrews, arabs, whites and other ethnicities united under the rule of the hip hop messiah. The peace through hip hop initiative, chartered by me, the original hip hop messiah, hopes to make a positive impact. In addition to great music, we will also be conducting dance competitions and mma tournaments. If you like weed, hip hop, the holy temple, dance competitions and mma tournaments be sure to support the hip hop messiah and the hebrew satanist movement.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Thank you. I would like to go inside the place where the dome of the rock now stands and live alone for 40 days to obtain my full musical and healing powers so that I can bless my followers using supernatural powers. I would like establish my kingdom on earth and bring about the redemption of humanity and the resurrection of the dead if I can withstand the heat and pressure while I converse and negotiate with the supreme deity.

The Hebrew Satanist movement has a new vision for the middle east.

I need a serious group of supporters within Israel and around the world. The hip hop messiah does not condemn intermarriage and encourages the in-grafting of gentiles into the new republic of satan extending from the nile to the euphrates, inclusive of hebrews, arabs, whites and other ethnicities united under the rule of the hip hop messiah. The peace through hip hop initiative, chartered by me, the original hip hop messiah, hopes to make a positive impact. In addition to great music, we will also be conducting dance competitions and mma tournaments. If you like weed, hip hop, the holy temple, dance competitions and mma tournaments be sure to support the hip hop messiah and the hebrew satanist movement.

Where do I sign up?

Why would you act normal and have good conversations with us(looks like mostly while I was gone), and then start making fun of us? Because a couple people disagreed with you? Your raps were good, but even the first ones seem like they we're bashing HaShem as an evil G-d...

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

You are not a satanic.

[shai77]

The Hebrew Satanist Movement is forming a new outreach blog for other Hebrew Satanists or unaffiliated people of Hebrew ancestry and gentiles who support the Hebrew Satanist cause.  The Hip Hop messiah views all of his supporters as the most important characters in history but occasionally makes fun of people.

As far as bashing Hashem as an evil God; The Hip Hop Messiah doesn't claim to know the entire nature of God and aims to make personal contact with him on behalf of his followers;

The purpose of the hip hop messiah is to help individuals realize their greatness and talents in the realest ways possible.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

The Hebrew Satanist Movement is forming a new outreach blog for other Hebrew Satanists or unaffiliated people of Hebrew ancestry and gentiles who support the Hebrew Satanist cause.  The Hip Hop messiah views all of his supporters as the most important characters in history but occasionally makes fun of people.

As far as bashing Hashem as an evil God; The Hip Hop Messiah doesn't claim to know the entire nature of God and aims to make personal contact with him on behalf of his followers;

The purpose of the hip hop messiah is to help individuals realize their greatness and talents in the realest ways possible.

You're lying! It's G-d on the com, not G d(minus the o)! Well, mocking us is fair, but saying we have not changed is a lie! You have not changed at all!

[shai77]

You're lying! It's G-d on the com, not G d(minus the o)! Well, mocking us is fair, but saying we have not changed is a lie! You have not changed at all!

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying we have not changed at all.
If it appears that the Hip Hop Messiah is mocking G-d perhaps he is only mocking some of the manifestations
of the G-d religion or questions some of the things that G-d does;

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Jacob Frank was very good from what I read.
He could have been a messiah had the time been right.

According to you, all the evil people were good.  And your definition of a messiah is a cult leader.   The concept of messiah is from Judaism and that is not how Judaism defines a messiah.

The Hip Hop Messiah

I sincerely believe you have mental health problems and need serious professional help.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying we have not changed at all.
If it appears that the Hip Hop Messiah is mocking G-d perhaps he is only mocking some of the manifestations
of the G-d religion or questions some of the things that G-d does;

You haven't changed, because you have been here before, mocking us! You're not a satanist either, if you're .... satan is a weak ass fag! You're basically saying you are the antichrist that Jews will follow and that some Christians believe will make the Temple Mount his thrown, and Jesus will destroy you! When in all actuality... When the Temple is rebuilt, G-d's presence(The Shekinah)
will reign, and we don't have to worry about a fake ass messiah leading us to sin!

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Oh yeah! Thank you for writing G-d.

[shai77]

You haven't changed, because you have been here before, mocking us! You're not a satanist either, if you're .... satan is a weak ass fag! You're basically saying you are the antichrist that Jews will follow and that some Christians believe will make the Temple Mount his thrown, and Jesus will destroy you! When in all actuality... When the Temple is rebuilt, G-d's presence(The Shekinah)
will reign, and we don't have to worry about a fake ass messiah leading us to sin!

It is ok if you believe that about me, but you still are not confronting all the issues of the messianic vision of the 'pious' and what it will mean for a large part of Israel. I wasn't a weak ass fag; I was, am, is and will always be the hip hop messiah but the forces of Christianity and their false portrayal of messiah have done much to damage to the fabric of messianic expectation, trying to force the strength of messiah into the image of a weak ass fag, mainly, Jesus Christ.

As hip hop messiah, all of this will change; All of the Christian artwork in Israel will be destroyed along with the bahai gardens. I have understood some of the ability to kill people in combat but have realized the limits of individual combat in the messianic cause.

I would say I am neither a fake messiah nor the antichrist, I'm the hip hop messiah a regular non-religious hebrew mortal prepared to restore the Temple orchestra through strategic alliances with pro temple, pro weed, pro music forces who know that hip hop must be sublimated into the temple orchestra to achieve the final goal of the redemption.

It is said that all who worship an idol, eventually that idol comes to life and mocks them. Perhaps that is part true; The messiah has to have characteristics of Jesus incarnate to punish the Christian expectation. Hence you could partially call me the antichrist when in fact I am mostly a good person. I do have partial characteristics of Jesus Christ because I am the messiah and that is how many people have painted the messiah. But I am not Jesus Christ. Therefore, many would call me the antichrist when in fact I'm neither.

[muman613]

Shai77,

I am honestly ashamed of what you have written here. I know you don't really care about what I think but I must clearly disassociate myself with your ideology. I truly through about you over Shabbat today and discussed this with my rabbi. But it is all for naught because at this point you have made chillul Hashem openly on JTF, a Kahanist web-site and one I have been associated with for many years.

I hoped that we could discuss things and resolve issues. But your ideology is far far from what I anticipated. Your will is to confront Hashem and his covenant with the people of Israel. This is not messianic, and it is not satanic, it is purely your own yetzer hara speaking to you and making you rebel against the Mosaic covenant.

Our discussion was useful because I think I understand where you are coming from. Where we are born and how the prevailing view of the society at the time can affect our outlook on faith and observance. But that does not excuse you because I know you have done some studying, and a little knowledge is dangerous in the wrong heart.

I am often recalling the Talmudic story of the character of Acher (the other) who was a great sage who ended up going insane and rejecting the Torah and Hashem. He claimed his Teshuva was not welcome and went around violating Shabbat openly and even in front of his teachers. I believe there is always hope for the soul of a Jew.

But I must ask you cease these rants because they shame me. This discussion is where you decide to make Chillul Hashem, maybe even worse than Shabatai Tzvi... I am shocked and dismayed, not because I am such a pious yid, but because I strive with all my heart and soul to bring about the rectification of Israels blemish and you open a big wound here at JTF. I have truly been upset about your statements and I don't really know how to move forward.

I rebuke you and your ideology. I hope you understand this is from a position of love and not anger.

[shai77]

Shai77,

I am honestly ashamed of what you have written here. I know you don't really care about what I think but I must clearly disassociate myself with your ideology. I truly through about you over Shabbat today and discussed this with my rabbi. But it is all for naught because at this point you have made chillul Hashem openly on JTF, a Kahanist web-site and one I have been associated with for many years.

You're very wrong; I do care what you think, deeply and I hope you'll see the light and support me. I must get into the temple mount mosque and talk with the deity. That is the only thing I want to do;

I hoped that we could discuss things and resolve issues. But your ideology is far far from what I anticipated. Your will is to confront Hashem and his covenant with the people of Israel. This is not messianic, and it is not satanic, it is purely your own yetzer hara speaking to you and making you rebel against the Mosaic covenant.

>Yes that is partially true but mostly because I have honestly observed modern Hebrew culture and I see what a situation God (Satan) created for them, including myself and what the coming of the messiah will mean for them. Many of them will never change, therefore it is a waste of time to do anything else other than get God to confront them with covenant or alter it. Therefore, as Hip Hop Messiah, I must arbitrate, like Moses and Jesus combined into the ultimate prophetic superstar, The Hip Hop Messiah, step into the fray into the very center of the eye of the storm and sit for 40 days or get consumed by fire.

Our discussion was useful because I think I understand where you are coming from. Where we are born and how the prevailing view of the society at the time can affect our outlook on faith and observance. But that does not excuse you because I know you have done some studying, and a little knowledge is dangerous in the wrong heart.

I think it does excuse me and it does entitle me to visit directly with the deity face to face and confront him.



I am often recalling the Talmudic story of the character of Acher (the other) who was a great sage who ended up going insane and rejecting the Torah and Hashem. He claimed his Teshuva was not welcome and went around violating Shabbat openly and even in front of his teachers. I believe there is always hope for the soul of a Jew.

But I must ask you cease these rants because they shame me.

Why do they shame you? Because you cannot really answer the hard philosophical questions?

Do you really want me to cease these rants?
I really enjoy philosophy and I can pose the honest theological questions that demand answers.
I don't want to shame anyone but researching and writing about this topic is one of my favorite hobbies.
Maybe I could write them on a blog or something and anyone who wants to discuss the ideas of the Hebrew Satanist cause can do it there.
If you found any of the posts humorous or thought provoking I can write much more;
I haven't even started writing poetry about the other Bibilical characters.

This discussion is where you decide to make Chillul Hashem, maybe even worse than Shabatai Tzvi... I am shocked and dismayed, not because I am such a pious yid, but because I strive with all my heart and soul to bring about the rectification of Israels blemish and you open a big wound here at JTF. I have truly been upset about your statements and I don't really know how to move forward.

ok. I am sorry if I upset you. You are a really cool guy I know that definitely and I don't want to upset you.

I rebuke you and your ideology. I hope you understand this is from a position of love and not anger.

Yes I do understand; you are doing your mitzvah to rebuke a wrongdoer.
But maybe there is something to my ideology;
The messiah must come and perhaps he will be the ultimate musical superstar.
Maybe I am him, the one that has been promised.
If I can get enough seats in the knesset or organize a paramilitary movement of weed smokers in the IDF, we can legalize weed, build the temple without too much violence and make music non stop forever.